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7/6/2025, 7:53:06 PM
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>Then how the fuck did souls end up in the demiurge realm
I think the way to make sense of it is to say that in some sense they didn't. It's a bit more of a philosophical assertion than an experiential assertion, in line with Phil K Dick's acosmic panentheism (picrel) or in line with Plato's statements:
"What is that which always is and has no becoming; and what is that which is always becoming and never is? That which is apprehended by intelligence and reason is always in the same state; but that which is conceived by opinion with the help of sensation and without reason, is always in a process of becoming and perishing and never really is." and "As being is to becoming, so is truth to belief."
The key passage from "The One" that leads to this association is:
"It does not exist in the way that other things exist, for it is far superior to them. But it is not superior to them; rather it exists apart from them, apart from time. For whatever exists in time has been conditioned by another. No one gave it a span of time, for no one can give it anything."
So in short I take it as saying that the essence of being, truth and perhaps goodness always exist and can't be destroyed or altered, because it exists in a much stronger sense than anything in this world of appearances and becoming exists. And our connection to it can't be broken. Being or maybe you could even say consciousness may be obscured by the world of appearances and becoming, but it can never truly be corrupted by it. If the illusion is removed, then it's as if it were never there at all.
But that only concerns our relationship with the *most* foundational aspect of existence. Within the world of appearances and becoming, it can still be said that in some sense we are farther from it or closer to it, insofar as our awareness is more clouded or less clouded by the world of becoming and appearances, and insofar as the world of becoming and appearances is aligned with truth and goodness and being.
>Then how the fuck did souls end up in the demiurge realm
I think the way to make sense of it is to say that in some sense they didn't. It's a bit more of a philosophical assertion than an experiential assertion, in line with Phil K Dick's acosmic panentheism (picrel) or in line with Plato's statements:
"What is that which always is and has no becoming; and what is that which is always becoming and never is? That which is apprehended by intelligence and reason is always in the same state; but that which is conceived by opinion with the help of sensation and without reason, is always in a process of becoming and perishing and never really is." and "As being is to becoming, so is truth to belief."
The key passage from "The One" that leads to this association is:
"It does not exist in the way that other things exist, for it is far superior to them. But it is not superior to them; rather it exists apart from them, apart from time. For whatever exists in time has been conditioned by another. No one gave it a span of time, for no one can give it anything."
So in short I take it as saying that the essence of being, truth and perhaps goodness always exist and can't be destroyed or altered, because it exists in a much stronger sense than anything in this world of appearances and becoming exists. And our connection to it can't be broken. Being or maybe you could even say consciousness may be obscured by the world of appearances and becoming, but it can never truly be corrupted by it. If the illusion is removed, then it's as if it were never there at all.
But that only concerns our relationship with the *most* foundational aspect of existence. Within the world of appearances and becoming, it can still be said that in some sense we are farther from it or closer to it, insofar as our awareness is more clouded or less clouded by the world of becoming and appearances, and insofar as the world of becoming and appearances is aligned with truth and goodness and being.
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