A thread to discuss this fake and gay reality. Share links or reading material, rant about the demiurge, etc. Last thread had a bunch of links to different texts before it got 404ed: https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40652808/#40652808

>>40656077 (OP)
All I know about gnosticism is that Xenoblade has some interesting depictions of the demiurge, the first game presents the demiurge as the usual malevolent being that traps and uses people willy nilly, the second game has a more unique depiction of a benevolent demiurge who does what he does in an attempt at protecting its creation tough nonetheless he is still ultimately presented as being wrong and the third game delves into prison planet theory complete with soul recycling and the demiurge is presented as an accidental creation of the people he tortures.

>>40656161
Never played any of the Xeno games. I vaguely remember watching a friend play xeno gears back in the day…
My first intro to Gnosticism was the nag hammadi texts which can be found here: http://www.gnosis.org/search_form.html
Sacred texts archive has some stuff as well: https://sacred-texts.com/gno/index.htm

https://archive.org/details/the-hypostasis-of-the-archons-the-coptic-text-roger-aubrey-bullard-author-martin_202505
https://archive.org/details/lanz-von-liebenfels-theozoology
https://archive.org/details/primordial-gnosis-2
https://archive.org/details/gnosis-alchemy-volume-1-jose-aragon-berserker-books

https://archive.org/details/hyperborean-physics
https://archive.org/details/the-forbidden-religion-jose-maria-herrou-aragon

https://archive.org/details/demiurge-berserker-books

>>40656077 (OP)
how do you imagine that which is outside your box?

I heard gnostics say jesus is called by a different name by gnostics but he is a known entity. Jesus his name is known almost everwhere it seems

>>40657474
I imagine it’s a higher more real reality where imagination and intent of the individuated Spirit plays a bigger role.
>>40657638
Some of the texts purport to explain the “hidden” teachings of Jesus which have been suppressed or distorted by the Demiurgics archons, keep those with the divine spark from looking within and awaking the Spirit. This more Luciferian portrayal of “Christ” definitely gets the demiurge shills seething.

>>40656077 (OP)
Gnosticism is self contradictory

Why did you create indians demi why...
> i-i was jealous i wanted to recrate adam and eve
WHY DEMI WHYY EVEN YOU KNOW WHAT THEY ARE

>>40657673
Jesus his true words arent whacky stories but real cleae words, they probably have been cut out of the bible or been altered

>>40657871
Elaborate

>>40660434
I’d be interested to hear the reasoning behind this statement also. Probably some gay shit like “ it’s satanic”.

>>40656077 (OP)
This reality seems pretty real to me.
Can you provide evidence for your claim that this reality is fake?

>>40662632
not op but this reality isnt even mid tier.

no answers
no one here long enough to obtain answers
shit turns fake the closer you study it. everything breaks into a wave, no solid base matter
there is no truth
massive inequality among human samples, im talking biologically. some are super athletic, some are super attractive, some born wealthy, etc
constant need for suffering for no reason
not enough novelty/constant need for novelty
planeet it too small
forced to die/not told when or how
memories are so fragile
my outlook is unbelievably different from everyoene elses

we live in the truman show, if you choose to actually live then you are left to live amongst npcs who are boring as hell

go to the grand canyon sometime and have a long look. it doesnt render very well, it feels very fake. thats true of very large things when you look upon them, like reality cant fully render all at once.

>>40662632
ngmi

>>40662789

>no answers
>no one here long enough to obtain answers
reality being fake does not logically follow from us not having answers

>shit turns fake the closer you study it. everything breaks into a wave, no solid base matter
I don't know. I like plants, but no plant ever broke into a wave, it seems pretty solid to me.
There is no evidence of anyone ever breaking down a rock into a wave or nothingness just by looking at it.
>there is no truth
how can you know that? you don't have the answers according to yourself
>massive inequality among human samples, im talking biologically. some are super athletic, some are super attractive, some born wealthy, etc
from this does not logically follow that reality is fake. inequality does not imply fakeness of reality.
it only implies your concept of justice not being real. or not being an integral part of reality
>constant need for suffering for no reason
I don't feel like I am suffering right now, and even if there would be constant suffering from this would not logically follow that reality must be fake.
>not enough novelty/constant need for novelty
>planeet it too small
>forced to die/not told when or how
well that is unfortunate but none of that hint at reality being fake.
>memories are so fragile
I think my memories are pretty good. And even if we assume memories being incredibly fragile, from that does not logically follow that reality is fake. It would just mean our memory is shit
>my outlook is unbelievably different from everyoene elses
alright mr. special
>we live in the truman show,
bold claim with no evidence
>if you choose to actually live then you are left to live amongst npcs who are boring as hell
false prophecy not related to the original claim of reality being fake
>go to the grand canyon sometime and have a long look. it doesnt render very well, it feels very fake. thats true of very large things when you look upon them, like reality cant fully render all at once.
the abilities of your eyes are limited

>>40662855

>reality being fake does not logically follow from us not having answers
it can

>There is no evidence of anyone ever breaking down a rock into a wave or nothingness just by looking at it.
double slit experiment. atoms vibrate, they have no actual mass. google it

>how can you know that? you don't have the answers according to yourself
exactly

>concept of justice not being real. or not being an integral part of reality
again, exactly

>I don't feel like I am suffering right now, and even if there would be constant suffering from this would not logically follow that reality must be fake.
the human conditions is defined by suffering. this isnt a conclusion, just evidence

>well that is unfortunate but none of that hint at reality being fake.
it does to me

>we live in the truman show,
>>bold claim with no evidence
start paying attention

>false prophecy not related to the original claim of reality being fake
(you) are the npc

>the abilities of your eyes are limited
your brain interprets the world, not your eyes.

why are you even here?

>>40662921
>it can
There is no "it can"
Reality not being real does either logically follow from the claim that we do not have the answers or it doesn't.
In this case it does not.
Since you disagree, can you explain how it can follow from that?
>double slit experiment. atoms vibrate, they have no actual mass. google it
I don't care what some old dudes with fancy titles an big machines tell you about reality if they can't follow through and make a rock disappear into a wave or whatever.
>the human conditions is defined by suffering. this isnt a conclusion, just evidence
it's a "noble truth" of buddhism, which also claims there is no truth. so buddhism is obviously full of shit.
My condition is not defined by suffering when I am f.e. enjoying my favorite meal or listening to my favorite music. Also I am not suffering right now, are you?
So where is the evidence? yes suffering exists but I don't think it is the defining condition of humanity. It's just one among many experiences than a human can have.
>it does to me
Alright so your claims are subjective make believe?
"It can't be real because it isn't morally just" welp dude, your ego and psychological well being seems to be very fragile if you dissociate from reality as soon as something isn't perfectly morally just.

>start paying attention
Where is the evidence?
>(you) are the npc
I doubt it. But I can see how this labeling helps you cope.
>your brain interprets the world, not your eyes.
you brain needs sensors like eyes to get visual stimuli or information to interpret.
reality is not fake just because your sensors and CPU (brain) has limits in perceiving and interpreting said reality

>>40662963
go back to facebook

>>40656077 (OP)
Demiurge is dead.
Satan is dead.
Lucifer is either in hiding or dead.
The recent uptick in insanity is due to the legions of demons losing their leadership. For some, like Al-Ghul (the demon of alcoholism), lieutentants take the place of the big-baddies, but they are invariably less capable and less able to coordinate the demonic attack on humanity/Earth.
THEY ARE LOSING AND THEY KNOW IT

>>40662963
>I don't care what some old dudes with fancy titles an big machines tell you about reality if they can't follow through and make a rock disappear into a wave or whatever.
"if rocks were real enough for grandpa, they're real enough for me"
OK sucker.

>>40662963
doesnt believe in science yet demands evidence.

reminder, you are on an anonymous paranormal message board

To clarify, I was not being literal when I said reality is “fake and gay”. My understanding of what Gnosticism posits is that reality, the material creation indeed “exists” however it is a inferior version, and poorly created imitation of a higher order of reality which is infinite and timeless, not bound by the laws of this universe. The realm of the Spirit. You sound like a materialist. You ask for “proof” etc. according to gnostic thinking you cannot use the imperfect material creation of the demiurge, the body, the brain, to understand the infinite and eternal realm of the Spirit. You must awaken the Spirit and use the faculties of the Spirit to do this. Gnostics believe that some people simply do not have their “divine spark” which the demiurge trapped in matter, or it has been so deceived and misdirected by its fall into matter that they are essentially unaware of it. Not sure which category you are in. Hope that helps make some things more lucid.

>>40663050
Yeah, that bit was strange. Almost if they are just looking to poke holes in the theory without any concern for the actual truth. Gnosticism makes people uncomfortable Ig

>>40663013
I am not a worshipper of Lucifer however neither do I think Lucifer is “satanic”. I doubt very strongly “Lucifer” is on the side of the demiurge. Possibly an an ient entity humanity had contact with in the past, an alien god, or a higher being/“angel” from the Spirit realm outside the demiurges creation who gave knowledge to humanity to help uplift them.

>>40663020
If rocks aren't real make a rock disappear.
>>40663050
I am not into scientism.
I accept the scientific method, but not every claim made by scientist or people who claim to use the scientific method is credible or has a lot of weight according to evidence.
So I am critical of claims that material stuff turns into waves, because no one ever could demonstrate it by f.e. turning a rock into a wave.
>>40663055
Thanks for this clarification.
I can play with the idea of a spiritual realm existing, but that wouldn't make our physical reality any less real, let alone "fake and gay".

> You ask for “proof” etc.
That is not a bad thing in a world full of fairy tales and lies, psychological manipulation, gaslighting and self delusion. So yes I am asking for proof.
>according to gnostic thinking you cannot use the imperfect material creation of the demiurge, the body, the brain, to understand the infinite and eternal realm of the Spirit.
how convenient.
Ok, well if our biology makes us irrecoverable blind to those spiritual truths than what is there to discuss about gnosticism anyway? We can't understand a think about it as long as we live, according to "gnostic thinking".
Also where does that "gnostic thinking" come from and how can it be truthful, if no one ever living could understand that?
>You must awaken the Spirit and use the faculties of the Spirit to do this.
I think my spirit is pretty awake, or what do you mean?
>Gnostics believe that some people simply do not have their “divine spark”
So if I pretend to see a spirit which gives me secret teachings and I tell anyone who doesn't believe me or my proclamations that they just lack the divine spark (the spirit told me that) and if people ask me for proof and I don't give em any, wouldn't I be just like those Gnostics you described?

>>40663159
Didn’t say asking for proof is a bad thing. I simply stated that according to the definition of materialistic “scientist” which denies the existence of the possibility that there is more to reality than the physical, it’s not possible to “prove” by those arbitrary standards. Not that it’s impossible to prove altogether. Gnosticism is not a centralized belief system with fixed dogmas as you seem to think or be implying. I don’t have a problem if you disagree or think it’s all bullshit and I enjoy discussing these things. However I don’t wish to waste my time going back and forth with someone who has already made their mind up. So please don’t put words in my mouth and make straw man arguments. Thanks.

Regarding matter, waves and the idea that matter is an illusion. My understanding, while I also am against so called scientism and take issue with the largely theoretical and abstract nature of quantum physics. Even according to standard physics, matter is mostly empty space. Light is said to act as both a particle and a wave. It seems that at the most fundamental level all matter is essentially different wavelengths and frequencies of condensed energy, making matter a form of light. Consciousness is also a form of electromagnetic energy/light. Matter and Consciousness are made of essentially the same things.

>>40663205
I didn't say you said proof is a bad thing either. Or what words have I supposedly put into your mouth?

The scientific method does not deny the existence of the possibility of a non physical reality existing.
People like Rupert Sheldrake, a scientist, has wrote on this.
Scientific method is just a method of investigation.
Scientism is an -ism, a believe system.

>it’s not possible to “prove” by those arbitrary standards. Not that it’s impossible to prove altogether.
how do you prove it then? what are your standards of proof.
can it at least create any physical evidence? or is it completely powerless to effect anything physical?

>Gnosticism is not a centralized belief system with fixed dogmas as you seem to think or be implying
I think there are 3-4 brands who share similar concepts like "demiurg" and stuff. To me it's mostly christians trying to explain away the evil and immorality of the world, historically.
>I enjoy discussing these things.
Me too. I appreciate staying more on topic and have fruitful discussion in good faith.

>So please don’t put words in my mouth and make straw man arguments.
I am not aware of putting words in your mouth? When did I do it, what did I say?
What strawman arguments did I do? and how were them besides the point?

>>40663271
I was referring to the last part of this comment >>40663159 and the part where you said “ Ok, well if our biology makes us irrecoverable blind to those spiritual truths than” However re reading it, you were not directly putting words in my mouth as you phrased it as a question. If I was wrong about your intention then I take back what I said, re strawman. Its not always easy to tell on here if someone is being contrary just for the sake of stirring the pot, or trying to actually engage in a good faith discussion.
Regarding by what standard these things can be reliably “proven” I would say that things such as spiritual experiences, strong intuitions that seem to come from deep within our consciousness, and studying the writings of others to compare these things to can all be good steps for at least forming a viable hypothesis, to try and further prove or find evidence for. I think absolute proof of these things is beyond our current level of either scientific or spiritual knowledge to say for certain, however from my life experiences and studies, it is the worldview or Spiritual path that most lines up with what I perceive to be Truth.

>>40663255
>It seems that at the most fundamental level all matter is essentially different wavelengths and frequencies of condensed energy, making matter a form of light.
Doesn't seem to me that way. If there is no light source stuff is pitch black dark. Even nightvision works either with amplification of light, or in catching up Infrared (heat-rays).
So why do you say it seems like matter is waves or a form of light?
how can I get that energy and waves out of a rock?

And how exactly do I measure the wavelength of a stone? The wavelength of the water in a glass? The wavelength of the air in a baloon? The wavelength of a piece of wood? What if the wood good some paint on it?

> Consciousness is also a form of electromagnetic energy/light.
Are you sure? What study ever measured consciousness as a form of electromagnetic energy? To my knowledge there is none.

>>40663332
Also see this comment >>40663255
For my thoughts on why I believe there is a higher “level” to reality. The idea of the Demiurge as “evil” isn’t an across the board thing in gnostic teachings, and the term Demiurge as applied to the Creator of this realm comes from Plato who did not see the Demiurge as evil, although perhaps imperfect. I’m not a Christian so this isn’t my main concern, but the association of Yaweh with the Demiurge is fair play in my book as to why a supposed universal god would need blood sacrifices and encourage tribal genocide. The idea that a higher form of government ality “Spirit” which is our true consciousness rather than the mechanical effects of biology, neuro transmitters, hormones and firing synapses shaped by environment and genetics, appeals to me. There has been a lot of research on the theory of reincarnation, and while obviously the subject of much religious dogma as well, I think the idea that consciousness not simply ending with the death of the biological vessel certainly leaves open the possibility that our consciousness could be “recycled” by the universe in some fashion. This obviously brings into question the subject of free will, and wether or not the angels, demons, helpers guides and gods on the “other side” which are often encountered in NDEs and other forms of spirit encounters, have our best interests at heart, and what role if any these beings play in the cyclee of birth, death, and reincarnation if in fact it does exist.

>>40663332
>Regarding by what standard these things can be reliably “proven”
>I would say that things such as spiritual experiences, strong intuitions that seem to come from deep within our consciousness,
From my understanding these effects seem to be purely psychological.
When I read a horror story or a fairy tale, I can have intense psychological effects too, or maybe a fairy tale can inspire me deeply.
Still this horror story or fairy tale is just fiction. A story someone made up.
how can gnostic teaching being different from made up stories proven in any way?
> and studying the writings of others to compare these things to can all be good steps for at least forming a viable hypothesis,
What do others write about? how do they get the impressions, information or experiences they write about?

> I think absolute proof of these things is beyond our current level of either scientific or spiritual knowledge to say for certain, however from my life experiences and studies, it is the worldview or Spiritual path that most lines up with what I perceive to be Truth.
What exactly did you experience in the world that made you perceive the spiritual path or worldview of gnosticism as being most likely true and why did the experience made you conclude that?
And what does true mean in this context? how is it different from let's say a fairy tale or an immersive video game someone may really like?

I don't think I am looking for absolute proof here, just some evidence that it is more than just a fairy tale or fiction story would be a good start

>>40656077 (OP)
You take power away from “the demiurge” when you realize that you ARE the demiurge. You shape and control your reality. You are a dreamer in this dream, one of many. The world is an effect, not a cause. You control your dream. The hermeticists were right, the universe is mental, and you’re in charge of where your life goes next.

>>40663346
Waves and energy comes from crystals when you squeeze them, pizeoelectricity. That you don’t know such a basic concept really says a lot, considering the position you have taken in this thread, lol. Against scientism but you need a study to tell you that consciousness is energy. lol. I’ll say again. Ngmi

>>40663390
>why a supposed universal god would need blood sacrifices and encourage tribal genocide.
To my knowledge nowhere in the bible it is written that Yaweh "needs" sacrifice.
And it doesn't seem to make sense to me why a demiurg so powerful as the gnostic demiurg wouild need such a thing either.

I understand how believing in being independent from this physical reality with all it's pressures and necessities is appealing.
I think gnosticism is not the only school of thought who would offer that kind of thing, the same goes for reincarnation.

I agree with your notion that maybe not to trust any type of "spirit". But I also think this critical thinking is part of many school of thoughts, not just gnosticism.

Also do you have any evidence of these spirits or entities being real, real in a sense, as not being part of your own psyche? Like imagining or inventing a fictional person etc., or a seemingly alive symbol, like people in dreams seem to be?

>>40663414
Gnosis means knowledge. According to materialism, there can be no higher Truth, because consciousness is simply a subjective effect of the condition of the brain, body and its environment. You’re arguing in circles. Clearly this stuff is out of your realm of understanding, yet you seem to think you have it quite figured out. This will be my last response as I don’t see any point in further discussion with you at this time.

>>40663416
I agree with a good portion of what you are saying. However I do think it’s important to make a distinction between ourselves and the Demiurge/false Creator. Saying we are all “one” is a form of Universalism and my own flavor of Gnosticism has been leaning more towards the idea of dualism lately. The idea of individualism being false is a tool of the demiurge. I don’t see how it’s possible to reconcile the idea of each divine spark being an infinite point of consciousness, and singularity. And the idea that all is one, universal, formless mass.

>>40663453
I didn't ask about crystals, I asked about stones, water, air and wood.
Obviously some materials react if you apply a lot of energy, f.e. by squeezing them. It is like for example a combustion engine works.
My question was simple about how exactly to measure wavelengths of these materials.
If I light a piece of wood, if obviously emits heatwaves and fire.
But I don't see how that does mean that wood or gasoline is a wave as you claimed.
And if you squeeze a normal rock it will just crack, like where is the wavelenght you want to measure in that process.
You couldn't explain that so far, but just basically shoot an adhominem at me, because there is a scientific concept I don't know.
I don't have to know everything to be against scientism and to apply scientific method and argue in good faith and do critical thinking properly, as I did.
Again you use that minor thing to attack me personally instead of just explain to me what I asked you of, to illustrate why every matter seems to be wave or light.

>>40663473
>According to materialism, there can be no higher Truth, because consciousness is simply a subjective effect of the condition of the brain, body and its environment.
What does this have to do with our discussion?
I never made any statements about what consciousness is or is not.

>>40663473

>You’re arguing in circles.
I was asking you for any evidence that gnosticism is more real than any fictional story?
You mentioned psychological effects before and I pointed out fictional stories too can be psychological impactful and inspiring. doesn't make them real, does it?
If you have nothing to show as evidence that gnosticism is more than just a fictional story you like, then why not just that or show me the evidence you can show?
But no instead of acknowledging my question you say stuff like:
>Clearly this stuff is out of your realm of understanding, yet you seem to think you have it quite figured out
to imply some secret knowledge that you possess, but can't communicate to anyone questioning your wild claims, because they are not good enough, because I am too cognitive impaired "out of your realm of understanding".
Laughable nonsense.

More recommended reading and collected works:
https://archive.org/details/the-tradition-of-hyperborean-ondargain
https://archive.org/details/Gnostism
https://archive.org/details/fundamentals-of-the-hyperborean-wisdom-complete-english-natural-translation
https://archive.org/details/fhw-images-diagrams
https://archive.org/details/tradition-publishing-co.
https://archive.org/details/THEMESSAGEOFTHEDIVINEILIADVol.11

>>40656077 (OP)
>Gnosticism
Knowledge.

Knowledge of God is God....
If your your knowledge of God doesn't enable you to become God.. even surpass him... then its not knowledge of God.

Its just suck on Jesus cock virtue-signalling word-salad psychoses.
The Gnostic Texts are an extremely advanced collection of Deity Engineering manuals..

Your problem is that you're a midwit moron who wouldn't now his elbow from his arsehole.... Where as, I'm the most enlightened fucker on Earth.

>>40662789
>dude blames his shitty internal components and poor screen resolution on the source code
Lmao ngmi. Gnosis is not a knowledge from books, it's from within and everyone has access to the source code.

>muh gnosticism
I'm demon, rawr.
And apart from rawr I say, it's bewitching to me how the church goes on 4chan to figure out modern variants of old heresies...

can someone tell me why gnostics are self-loathing narcissists
paradoxal

>>40664810
So whispering jinns?

>>40664844
There is only what we call God. Using islamic terminology it's ma'rifa.

>>40662963
This reads like ragebait but I understand you’re actually just a hylic

>>40657871
>>40664830
can someone tell me why gnosticism attracts such low effort put-downs

sounds like a (You) problem

>>40656077 (OP)

>>40664640
Not sure why you felt the need to compare dick sizes but you but I can guarantee my knowledge cock is superior. You sound like a dime a dozen schizo who litter this board with your faggoty delusions.
>>40664916
Normgroids, christoids, Jewish demiurge golems and schizos all fear the based Hyperborean Gnostic Knower.

>>40656077 (OP)
Liber Falxifer 3 here; advanced book on gnosticism:
https://archive.org/details/liber-falxifer-iii-the-book-of-the-52-stations-of-the-crosses-of-nod/page/118/mode/2up

Teaches you what terms like "the demiurge" refers to (the Demiurgic heimarmene; the deluded half-maker and his mad archons etc refers to a specific group in spiritual politics working on a retarded project of "Adamites trying to turn themselves to slaves to themselves"; ie trying to form a collective "ancestral spirit hold system" to enslave themselves to a specific political council of dumb "ideas people". it's called "bot-system" or something; peoples dream is "becoming a Bot"; so that people can "attack eachother in group"; ie their goal is just to be able to "direct group harassment of others"; and it's just leading to them annihilating themselves; for they could basically only cause "attacks on themselves" practically speaking; ie when it comes to "attacks that causes real harm")

>>40665224
>my knowledge cock
It's ackchually your "knowledge asshole". Any form of knowledge is someone else's delussion. You just take it in like the good little bitch you are, asking for more everytime.
Whenever you come up with knowledge that wasn't from another, you'll be in a position to talk about "knowledge cock".

>>40665296
Durrrr, drooling schizo assumes I don’t understand that gnosis comes from within. Time for your booster shot little schizophrenic nig nog.

>>40664640
>>40665224
>>40665296
you are not being oppressed by a deceiver god, you worship him
you are a hateful incel that has abandoned all divinity

>>40665320
1 and 3 are not me. Just some another schizo claiming to be god.

>>40665224
>>40665313
>Deity Godhead Engineering is fuzzy warm vibes
Thanks for posting retarded goym slop, slowie.

>>40665335
>based Hyperborean Gnostic Knower
this statement is still worth ridicule anon, i gotta give it to ya

>>40665320
Also, how could I be an incel? I’m playing vidya with my son right now… incel is such a disgusting term really. Kinda shows you to be as hateful as what you are claiming to be above. Fucking trannies man.

>>40665320
Anyone who needs a "God" or "Demon" or "Drug" to become God is obviously Not God AND like you, knows absolutely fuck all about becoming God.

>>40665343
Take your meds you retarded golem.
>>40665345
Cool story tranny. Maybe tell it to someone who cares.

>>40665357
Why did the demiurge do this.

>>40665313
Understanding is one thing, knowing is another. Seeing your reply, you obviously don't know yet and won't get there anytime soon. I was merely pointing out the error of your metaphor.

>>40665362
>my gnosis comes from within.
verses
>you little schizophrenic nig nog.

>>40665352
>>40665362
>gets called an incel
>immediately thinks about trannys
incels aren't human

>>40665375
You were spouting unmedicated delusion ramblings. But sure, keep believing this is a win for you. You claimed to be the most enlightened being. Lmao.
>>40665394
Cope, seethe and dilate Troony. Meanwhile I’m enjoying time with my family.

If I were the Monad, I would just undo the idea of "Sophia" rather than bitch about the Demiurge. Gnosticism is a mistake.

>>40665422
That was my first comment bruv, seems like you're the one caught up in the middle of a delusion and projecting to cope, smiley face.

>>40665422
incel is a mindset you clearly have, my seething friend

>>40665427

>>40665427
>GodHead is all about SausageFest.
>More Sausage, PLEASE!!

>>40665448
>>40665515
Yes. And?

Convince me otherwise. Oh, wait, you cant because I already know the timeline with the "female creator" ends badly.

>>40665593

>>40665593
Elaborate, will ya?
What timeline are we in rn

>>40664916
Faith kills the snake (knowledge). Faith is the refusal or regret of the consumption of the fruit.

>>40665370
Pain isn't felt unless you know more than just pain.

>>40665664
>implying killing the snake is low effort

>>40665436
You responded to my response to another person then. Also you said “ I was merely pointing out the error of your metaphor” (past tense). Leading me to think the previous comments I was responding to were made by you.
>>40665437
Said the tranny, all in your feelings. Take some hormones and you’ll feel better, chap.

>>40665593
I don’t give two shits about “Sophia” or Christ personally. the nag hammadi stuff is more an interesting footnote to me rather than something to take as serious doctrine. Anything written by Jews probably is corrupted anyway.

>>40665664
>I'm a good little Goym
Piss weak piss-ant faggot.

>>40656077 (OP)
>Gnosticism
>Just Neoplatonism with Jesus

>>40665585
Get rid of Sophia and your bullshit Patriarchy Monotheism triad wouldn't get off the ground.

>>40665585
>The Father, the Son, and the Holy-Dildo.

>>40660434
NTA - but I imagine it is the inability of divine beings to stop the Demiurge from ever existing or creating this world. Sophia and the system prior to her mistake emanates and creates in perfection; deductively means that it can destroy. Begs the question to why the Demiurge and Archons can't be destroyed.

>>40662789
This. All of this is more or less fake. Not even the "runners" of this place are free, they try go other planet they get destroyed by other forces in space. Beings calling themselves "immortal" are destined to be stuck on this plane along us, because they aren't welcome anywhere else.

>>40665902
Jesus was good.
Christianity is retarded and idolizes and worships a man who told you not to idolize or worship.
Watch the last temptation of christ. Whether jesus resisted temptation or not, a jew was there to use his preaching to his own ends.
A teacher isn't bad because the student aggressively misinterprets his message.

>>40666290
Paul/Saul is the biggest scam artist of Christianity there is

Meditate on Bythos. The silent presence, the clear light of Buddhism, the truth behind all things is silence. Feel the presence of all things and the clear light winding through your consciousness, your soul, your mind, and even your body, as you reach further out into the world.

>>40666017
>Abrahamic Metaphysics creates the problem of evil
>Gnosticism answers the Problem of Evil with the concept of the Demiurge
>The Demiurge poses the Problem of Divinity (highlighted in your post)
>Perhaps this prison is a playground?

I'm gnot a gnostic, I'm a gnome

>>40665990
have fun in hell for blaspheming the holy spirit lil bro

>>40666893
His name was Simon, and there would never have been a Christianity without him.

>>40667025

>>40666975
>thinking God would give a shit about this

>>40665990
Is this some kind of white power syndrome? Is posting this some kind of false flag divide and conquer tactic?

>>40665990
Is this some kind of white power symbol? Is posting this some kind of false flag divide and conquer tactic?

>>40667040
If I was god I would. I'd torch your pathetic ass like the little ant you are with my big magnifying glass

>>40667444
>quit hitting yourself!

HAHAHA

>>40666975
wow, you're really dense

>>40667054
A God that makes you dependent upon them is a parasite AND you're a cuck.

>>40666933
https://www2.hawaii.edu/~jjudd/energy/partIII/sorcererway/secattn.htm

Why does every gnostic thread devolve into retards arguing about god? I just want to escape the Soul Trap and chill with the homies in Hyperborea.

POV: you got on the ship

>>40665910
You’re not entirely wrong. Many people call Gnosticism Jewish without recognizing its true roots in platonic and Neoplatonic philosophy. The way is see it Gnosticism is just a more recent label for the the hidden religion, a cult of higher knowledge that has existed in many forms throughout the ages and which is the seed of most religion and mythology, which becomes intentionally or unintentionally corrupted and watered down over time.
See: https://iep.utm.edu/neoplato/
Even here the claim is made that Jewish scriptures “heavily” influenced Neoplatonism. The children of the demiurge have been corrupting higher knowledge since the beginning of known civilization.

>>40665910
>>40669533
Gnostic Texts are products of Divine Utterance from specific ascended-beings (specific deities with specific names) with respect to their own GodHead Engineering & creation handiwork engineering, whereas Neoplatonic philosophy is just generic psychoses word salad about an ideal but non existing GOD structure he wanked over with his incel sausage club.

One is Authoratative, the other is an imaginative manmade wankfest.

>>40666290
>Jesus was good.
Every time a God fucks with the structure of existence itself, including pre-destination of humans; it results in Divine Utterance revealing it thru Holy men so that living-word can bring itself to pass & bring about a re-equilibrium to the Will of Heaven..

Unfortunately, the Gnostic Texts are extremely advanced Deity Engineering Documents and Cunts like Jesus are easily able to set up automatic functions Murdering (via Dissolve) all Adamic species Humans achieving re-unification with their Eve (TwinFlame) counterpart AND justify doing so by relying on the readers ignorance thus thy completely misunderstand that justification.

Better would be an outcome where thy Ethic Cleansing Genocidal Cunt False God was exposed and erased from existence..
Please go fuck yaself, you ignorant cock sucking groupie.

>>40656077 (OP)
Gnosticism doesn't even make sense. If that place beyond this world is so perfect then why is it the reason demiurge exists in the first place. It's just a cope like every other religion. We have and will exist in a flawed reality forever

>>40669682
Because ALL Gods thus far are shit for brains, like you.

>>40666975
>blaspheming the holy spirit
No, she wasn't mentioned.
Pic illustrated the male Genitalia spirit retards like you invented.

>>40669688
Sounds like you are still coping.

>>40669533
It gives me a headache when anons say or imply that Gnosticism has roots in Neoplatonism. Neoplatonism is defined as the movement that was started in the 3rd century by Plotinus, while most of the significant figures and texts of Gnosticism are from the 1st and 2nd century, so the idea doesn't make much sense. Instead, if anything, Neoplatonism can be argued to have roots in Gnosticism.

If you want, you can confidently say that both Gnosticism and Neoplatonism have roots in ancient Greek philosophy broadly, especially Plato's writings and Pythagoreanism just from their use of words like "monad" and "demiurge". (Or I guess you could argue middle Platonism and Neopythagoreanism, since those are what the associated schools of thought were called around the same time Gnosticism was becoming established.)

>>40669827
ffs, whatever level of perfection exists "beyond" this "physical" world is located "beyond" this "physical" world... Ascended-Beings of this "physical" substance is what makes/made and controls/maintains this "physical" world/domain..

You're a fucking moron who ponders "if David's is perfect and David's household is perfect, then why is David's neighbour's place so bad?".

>>40664891
Is hylic supposed to be a buzzword to dodge critical thought. "BRO you just don't get it, because you lack the divine spark"

Sure sounds like a dodge to me.
But whatever, you will just label me NPC or hylic and be done with it, how convenient

>>40669877
no you're just a dumb materialist rotten retard who hates Buddhism and all things good and makes stupid arguments like "make rock disappear into wave". a hylic, yet another rotten fucking retard with no soul who's programmed by satanic interests to argue like a cunt with anyone that has actual spirit. that's you

>>40669870
According to gnosticism the souls trapped here were originally in that place so my point still stands you troglodyte. If you can get ripped out of there to suffer here then its not perfect and the same thing can happen again even if you escape.

>>40670727
>Cannot be corrupted
Then how the fuck did souls end up in the demiurge realm

>>40670414
>big claims no evidence
sure bro, if you say so

>>40656077 (OP)

Reminder that no amount of arguing for Gnosticism will ever convince hylics to stop being hylics.

Just focus on your own journey, anons. Don't let the masses distract you.

>>40671076
>Be part of my cool club which makes you better than the blind masses, we are so special bros, but only if you agree with those self contradictory teachings for which I have no evidence

>>40671136

Not in a club. I hope you find the light though, bro. Even if you don't, it doesn't change what I do.

>>40670752
>Then how the fuck did souls end up in the demiurge realm
I think the way to make sense of it is to say that in some sense they didn't. It's a bit more of a philosophical assertion than an experiential assertion, in line with Phil K Dick's acosmic panentheism (picrel) or in line with Plato's statements:

"What is that which always is and has no becoming; and what is that which is always becoming and never is? That which is apprehended by intelligence and reason is always in the same state; but that which is conceived by opinion with the help of sensation and without reason, is always in a process of becoming and perishing and never really is." and "As being is to becoming, so is truth to belief."

The key passage from "The One" that leads to this association is:
"It does not exist in the way that other things exist, for it is far superior to them. But it is not superior to them; rather it exists apart from them, apart from time. For whatever exists in time has been conditioned by another. No one gave it a span of time, for no one can give it anything."

So in short I take it as saying that the essence of being, truth and perhaps goodness always exist and can't be destroyed or altered, because it exists in a much stronger sense than anything in this world of appearances and becoming exists. And our connection to it can't be broken. Being or maybe you could even say consciousness may be obscured by the world of appearances and becoming, but it can never truly be corrupted by it. If the illusion is removed, then it's as if it were never there at all.

But that only concerns our relationship with the *most* foundational aspect of existence. Within the world of appearances and becoming, it can still be said that in some sense we are farther from it or closer to it, insofar as our awareness is more clouded or less clouded by the world of becoming and appearances, and insofar as the world of becoming and appearances is aligned with truth and goodness and being.

>>40671771
That the world might not be real in the same sense as the monad is real doesn't absolve it of being a genuine problem, though.

Gospel of Philip 85
The creation of this world was a mistake. The creator wanted the world to be perfect and eternal, but he failed, and it did not turn out the way he wanted it. He is not perfect, and so his world is not perfect.

And I'm not sure if or how it can be said that this world came about from the monad. I'm partial to the Buddhist idea that it's from an inconveivable beginning, and maybe conditioned reality always existed alongside unconditioned reality as a stream that is sometimes thinner and more feeble and other times wider and more strong, though by understanding our own minds and the patterns of causality and by becoming more aware of the unconditioned, we might be able to free ourselves completely or at least mostly

Hopefully that doesn't sound too much like gibberish.

>>40672023
Also none of this discussion deals with the Pleroma vs Kenoma distinction which is probably more relevant to understanding Gnostic salvation, though I don't understand it as well myself. Instead, I'm just trying to explain the relationship of the monad to the entirety of the world of becoming which I think includes both the pleroma and the kenoma. My way of thinking at the moment is that the monad stands in relation to both the kenoma and the pleroma in a similar way to how nirvana stands in relation to samsara, and the pleroma and the kenoma stand in relation to each other a bit like how rupaloka and kamaloka stand in relation to each other. But that might just be me compulsively Buddhism-izing Gnosticism in my effort to understand it.

Another thought I had recently is that the idea of "faith" as an important part of salvation makes much more intuitive sense in Gnosticism, where this world is considered to be in some sense illusoryvand even actively deceptive, than it does in a context where the world is just considered to be plainly real, and any deception is on top of it rather than part of its nature. Why should you need to make an effort to believe the truth otherwise?

2 Corinthians 4:16-18
So we do not lose heart. Even though our outer nature is wasting away, our inner nature is being renewed day by day.For our slight, momentary affliction is producing for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all measure, because we look not at what can be seen but at what cannot be seen, for what can be seen is temporary, but what cannot be seen is eternal.

2 Corinthians 5:6-8
So we are always confident, even though we know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord—for we walk by faith, not by sight.

>>40669877
>Try not to seethe challenge: hylic edition. Status: impossible

>>40672545
I find Pistis Sophia to be the villain and Yaldabaoth to be a sad, deluded child.

>>40669861
Thanks for clarifying. Lots of false and misleading info online in regards to Gnosticism. It is a fact that the term demiurge as referring to an architect of physical creation, based on the world of ideas and forms, comes from Plato. I think Gnosticism is just a label applied to a long tradition of seeking a higher more real reality that exists outside the restricted space of time and matter. The idea that it’s based originally on Judaism is laughable.

>>40656077 (OP)
Gnosticism starts off good
With Yahweh being a actual part of the matrix not outside of it
But then it gets retarded by having the gospel of Judas and the secret mission of Christ
A Jewish pedophile he likes little boys and calls a sick woman a dog
Sounds like is the true good
How about the retarded part where the only way you don’t get send to be tortured for eternity is to agree to obey and suck on only his dick alone

>>40673432
You don't have to accept every text as true, especially just because churches labelled them as "Gnostic". For me, the Gospel of Judas seems pretty sus and unintelligent. The ones about Jesus being a pedo rapist just sound retarded.

>>40673440
If it was true
Why wasn’t it the first religion
Why does it sound like it was made up bullshit

Interesting potentially quite early first century text which, instead of describing the purpose of Jesus' incarnation as being to die as an atonement sacrifice to appease God's anger at humanity, instead describes the purpose as being to judge the archons for believing that there was no one above them and to descend all the way to hell to destroy and despoil it.
http://www.gnosis.org/library/Cathar-Vision-Isaiah.htm

>>40673723
It fits well with the Gospel of Mark's depiction of Jesus' identity as secret, as well as with what Jesus says as part of his defense when he is accused of exorcising demons by Satan's power. "But no one can enter a strong man’s house and plunder his property without first tying up the strong man; then indeed the house can be plundered."

>>40673432
>How about the retarded part where the only way you don’t get send to be tortured for eternity is to agree to obey and suck on only his dick alone
The idea of hell doesn't show up too much in the Gnostic writings that I know of, and according to one website the explicit doctrine of universal salvation first showed up among Gnostic teachers.

The Apocryphon John mentions eternal torment specifically for people who "obtain gnosis but turn away" which is equated with blasphemy against the holy spirit, but before that in the same section it seems to heavily imply that everyone will be saved, and between the two parts there's a bit implying that mentorship is required for salvation, so I personally believe that both of those latter claims were later additions. I also suspect that the whole idea of blasphemy against the holy spirit as an unforgivable sin is an early but false addition to the gospels.

But then I see Christianity including Gnostic Christianity as being heavily symbolic and mythological rather than literal, so I don't need any text to be the one true perfectly preserved literal truth in written form.

Truth does not come into the world plainly, but in images and symbols, for that is the only way the world can perceive it.

"There is rebirth itself and there is the image of rebirth. Only through the image of rebirth can one be reborn. And what is that image? Resurrection." — Gospel of Philip

>>40673874
Quotes something that isn’t even the first religion
Anything from Christianity is a lie

>>40673739
So you figured out the world is fake
But haven’t figured out Christianity is controlled opposition used to control mass hoards of browns

>>40674005
>the first religion
what do you mean by this

>>40674052
Hinduism is older for example
But it’s the principle
Why does it need to be spread by man decades after the first civilization were built
Like its artificial and not actually part of this world
But rather some faggots idea of what the world should be

>>40674360
>Like its (...) not actually part of this world
That's part of the idea, yeah.
"You are from below, I am from above; you are from this world, I am not from this world." (John 8:23)
"My kingdom does not belong to this world" (John 18:36)
And since when is age a reliable indicator of the value or accuracy of a collection of ideas? If Newton's ideas about physics were so useful and at least approximately accurate, why did they need to be spread by man thousands of years after the first civilization was built?

>>40674005
>>40674360
English motherfucker, do you speak it?

>>40674421
If reality is in any sense artificial, dream-like, and deceptive, the truth could be hidden anywhere and everywhere, in the oddest times and places. The most phony fictional story imaginable might secretly be holding one of the most important pieces of the puzzle. This way of approaching reality might be a recipe for psychosis if you're not careful, but it can be very interesting if you're coming at it from a place of emotional stability and balance it out by developing your rationality so you at least know very well whenever what you're thinking goes beyond what rationality would assent to.

Some Phil K Dick quotes:

"Also, I do seem attracted to trash, as if the clue—the clue—lies there. I'm always ferreting out elliptical points, odd angles…The Holy Grail may be a crushed beer can in the gutter. The deity will be where least expected and as least expected. It could be an old sick—even dying—tomcat stinking of urine, degraded and humiliated."

"I certainly see the randomness in my work, and I also see how this fast shuffle of possibility after possibility might eventually, given enough time, juxtapose and disclose something important that is automatically overlooked in more orderly thinking. Since nothing, absolutely nothing is excluded (as not worth being included) I proffer a vast mixed bag—it’s a fucking circus. I'm like a sharp-eyed crow, spying anything that twinkles and grabbing it up to add to my heap."

"Anyone with my attitude might just stumble onto by sheer chance and luck the authentic camouflaged God, the deus absconditus, by trying odd combinations of things and places, like a high speed computer processing everything it comes across he might outdazzle even a wary God, might catch him by surprise by poking somewhere unexpectedly."

>>40674421
Again why are you quoting from something you know is made up bullshit

>>40674723
I'm insane.

>>40656077 (OP)
Blue Eisenhower November and this channel (https://www.youtube.com/@anthropicprinciple) is all the material on gnosticism that you will ever need.

>>40675264
>Shitty forced meme garbage

>>40664916
Gnosticism is BELIEVING on not believing a bunch of stuff.
It's not a put-down, it's just a discussion.
A real put-down would be coming here and saying Gnosticism is fake and gay and you are retarded and something like that. But you are most certainly normal.

>>40670553
>According to gnosticism the souls trapped here were originally in that place
They were born..

>so my point still stands you troglodyte.
No, it doesn't.

>If you can get ripped out of there to suffer here then its not perfect
let's sterilize all women and let humans go extinct.

>and the same thing can happen again even if you escape.
Reincarnation.

Wow... you really are a crybaby tard.

>>40675483
> we can never truly KNOW anything
(((God))) I really hate relativists…

>>40668249
This is a fascinating read, thank you. The visions of the Eagle really seem like what you would expect from a mastery of the cosmos from the perspective of a psychic, with the Eagle being Demiurge. Devoid of pneuma, the psychic traipses out to the edge of Demiurgic reality and find themselves in a false body sustained by external forces, trapped inside a looping self-contained world. I've seen similar things astral projecting around the edges of what I can reach, darkness looping in on itself, outer void that requires generation from the soul to continue outward into. I'm at a point where I'm beginning to feel the contours of the great Beast we live within, it is a living creature and it is not infinite in scope.

The establishment of the energy body mirrors the establishment of the rainbow body of Buddhist tantra traditions, though with vastly different mentalities and outlooks on the value of morality. There are other parallels that could be drawn between concepts like Alayavijnana and Eagle.

I find Castaneda's view on the sorcerer's mentality to be very... psychopathic and defeatist without morality. His outlook is stuck very low on the spiritual hierarchy of needs, stuck on survivalism. Buddhism is a cosmology for one devoid of pneuma, but the the Yaqui outlook is cosmology lacking even compassion and morality which to me are core constituents of a life worth living. I suppose that opinion stems stems from my choice of path as a warrior monk, not a warrior sorcerer. Either way, reading through this and cross references Castaneda to Buddhism, Gnosticism, and Neuroscience in DeepSeek R1 is fascinating.

>>40674620
I've been weaning myself off the mentality of randomness and hidden significance. I've given it a good shot but all it's led to is psychotic thinking, delusions, and wasted time. Not a single benefit. I think God rewards effort, not random lottery, meaning that I think thoughts that are carefully iterated on based on careful logos are what end up bringing us value. The rest ends up being a sea of noise and even if you get a kernel of knowledge out of chaos and fiction, it's far less efficient than if you had taken the path of logos and reality.

Alchemists existed for hundreds of years mixing random trash into vials, drinking urine, not getting anywhere because they were being too chaotic and not iterative. Once the scientific method and idea of control variables became more common, alchemists refined their craft by iterating one thing at a time. One chemical, one temperature, one pressure, finding what combinations work and what don't work. Nuclear chemistry and precise mathematics is how we learned how to create gold out of iron, not random chance or divine inspiration. There are 8 billion people, I think the random "rare" insights end up being low-hanging fruit that one random person finds easily and then shares if it has utility. It ends up being less dazzling than a thoughtform engineered with effort.

But hey, going to your initial premise: I do not find reality to be artificial, dream-like, or deceptive. It is naturalistic, firm, and consistent. As a corollary, magic works on very difficult directed willpower and effort, not finding hacks and keys stumbled upon in a haze. Newton's ideas were too complex for random chance and half-assed effort to produce. The very concept of calculus is infinitesimal iteration and doing it manually takes an insane amount of work, it's not something someone would randomly discover. Most feats of math and science are that way.

>>40663346
>What study ever measured consciousness as a form of electromagnetic energy
>>What study ever stated the brain was an electromagnetic system

All of them you dumb fucking nigger

Do I get gnosis from reading fantasy books? Or how do I get gnosis

>>40676537
being an electromagnetic system does not equal having consciousness, you little dishonest strawmanning bad faith actor :3

>>40676541

While fantasy books can be fun, you should really start by reading comparative religion and ritual practices. Keep in mind, the goal of learning about any religion (Christianity, Hinduism, etc) is not to submit to their teachings and convert, but rather to begin to think about spirituality in a meta sense.

From there, begin spiritual practices. Meditate, pray to whatever you feel comfortable to (and be okay with not receiving an answer), and ritual magical practices.

From there, you have a starting point for your journey.

Most importantly, this takes YEARS. Decades even. You're not going to be some guru or enlightened being in a just a year of doing it. Resist the urge to be egotistical about it and just keep working.

>>40676552
Not gonna make it, hylic. :)

i've been reading about the antinatalist views of the cathars, marcionites and the bogomils

it logically follows that if you believe the material world was created by an evil god that you shouldn't procreate

>>40677771

>>40677771
I wouldn't say it logically follows *just* from the belief that the material world was created by an evil god that you shouldn't procreate. A person might believe that we can eventually somehow take over the world from the evil god and turn it into something good, that this is a worthwhile thing to do, and that procreation is required for it. But certainly having a negative evaluation of the universe and its creator probably makes a person much more likely to be antinatalist.

>>40668249
>pic
I'm having a really hard time understanding what he is saying in the book. Is there any "supplemental" literature I can get to acquaint myself with the terminology he uses? It might be a language issue, but then again, writers often use terms arbitrarily and in different contexts, like Evola with "traditionalism"

After dying, you are dealt with by the God(s) you pray to, or the default God(s) your culture collective identifies as your God..
Sophia shat out the Demiurge (Yahweh)...
World-wide many many people (Jews + Christians) read the living-word authored by that God and fall into his clutches unawares..

valentinian gnostics were less interesting because they thought the demiurge wasn't evil. how boring!

i like only gnostics who believe in an evil deity

sethian gnostics vs valentinian gnostics vs basilidean gnostics vs bogomil gnostics vs marcionites vs cathars

>>40676783
I already learned read the bible a lot. Learned about judaism and christianity, looked into occultism, neo-platonism, paganism - norse, celtic and hindu and into tibetian buddhism (vairayana)
I learned a little about gnostic thought of catharism.

I did do meditations yogic exercise rituals like lbrp or cabbalistic cross tried summoning the dead and demons

I did for a few years.

I can't say I have found any gnosis yet. I just am not talking these things too seriously anymore.

But maybe I am just an unsalvagable hylic who just can't get it because of lack of divine spark
maybe it never began for me
or maybe I need 5 more decades!!! of practice

>>40677466
never began

>>40664640
Gnosticism is like Jesus trying to corner the market on that hip new thing called escaping the matrix
Only it’s his version so of course he is the good guy
It is like he is trying to market to certain types of midwits
>mid 20s chud who thinks he is somehow above people because they read between the lines of some gospel
>the Ohio boomer dad who thinks it is going to be like Hollywood where Jesus saves the day and escapes the demiurge because he believe his was secretly right all along
>both pg-13 faggots
It is like Jesus saying look guys we have secret societies like the Freemason too
And also our new gospel are super edgy I swear
We even banned them so you know they must be hardcore
All while staying pg-13 for Ohio dad who was too much of a wuss

>>40666017
Sophia just doesn't care

>>40681726
No, Ascended-beings are a whole other order of magnitude smarter than mere mortals..
Divine-utterance gives life to words able to separate the minds of men like a sharp sword into clearly distinct groupings of Edgelords, ignoramuses, and sages.

>>40682305
Gnosticism is still not the truth
It just fools people it is the edgy truth to appeal to the Ohio dad

>>40683830
>ignoramuses discussing edgelords

>>40683868
You believe in their controlled opposition
What is obviously just created to control people
There is no truth in Christianity

>>40684051
Knowledge of God, is God.. If your knowledge of God doesn't enable you to become God (even surpass God), then its not God..
Don't mistake suck of Jesus cock virtue signalling word salads for Knowledge of God.
Watching someone else build themselves a house is a front row seat at watching how houses are built..
Any God who leads humans to be dependent on them is a parasite and those followers are cucks.
We don't need Gods, demons, or drugs; we only need each other.

>>40684051
Knowledge of God, is God.. If your knowledge of God doesn't enable you to become God (even surpass God), then its not Knowledge of God..
Don't mistake suck of Jesus cock virtue signalling word salads as being Knowledge of God.
Watching someone else build themselves a house is a front row seat at watching how houses are built..
Any God who leads humans to be dependent on them is a parasite and those followers are cucks.
We don't need Gods, demons, or drugs; we only need each other.

>>40676783
Been at number 10 for 2 years

>>40684136
Yeah of course I know
That which is Gnosticism isn’t right because it is filtered through the retarded Bible

>>40684136
Implying I don’t know
The cia have been secretly using me to start the Ukraine war

>>40684230

>>40684315
You are not seeing the big picture
It can be the Bible because you believe in the Bible
But all of those things are just method of control
Any religion that focus on the self and the mind is a lie
Any god asking for worship is not the true god

>>40684372
>Any god asking for worship is not the true god
I agree

>>40684230
I Didn't tell you to chug Jesus's dick; I said watch him build his house, and learn how to build your own house better.

https://youtu.be/DzyEqxGdAA8?si=S283UyqTF37ggqGI

>>40684315

The problem with gnostisicm, (atleast gnosticisms interpretation of christianity) is that it sounds like a made up story that people crafted. Even if you read the gnostic gospels, there isnt a mention of a demiurge, or sophia. It sounds like people used their imagination to put their own spin on events. They say the bible is an instruction manual to escape the material world spiritually, but if that were the cases, God and Jesus would have made it abundently clear thats the case, especially in the New Testament.

Not digging at Gnostics. I know part of Christianity is mystical and you can clearly see that when people in the bible personally experience God and literally drop to there knees in awe and terror. But gnosticism (specifically gnostic christianity) it sounds like a humans interpretation they pulled out their bum bum. Correct me if im wrong tho

>>40684230
I Didn't tell you to chug Jesus's dick; I said watch him build his house; and learn how to build your own house better than his.
>>40684247
ok

>>40684477
>Correct me if im wrong tho
No. If you don't find it interesting, you're not likely to get much out of it, so just go do something else.

>>40684526
Why do I need to watch a pedophile

>>40684548
This claim has been discussed on /x/ multiple times and every time it has gotten btfo even by mainstream Christians, which is pretty sad for those who keep repeating it. There's just no good evidence for it, not by a literal interpretation of the gospels or by any natural allegorical interpretation.

>>40684477
offended Fan boi faggot makes up shitpost to ostracize questioning querents and restore official IQ standards.

Fuck oFF 16th Century Puritan Zealot

>>40684645
Has been proven to be pedophile
Simply by the fact he called a woman a dog
Doesn’t sound like a truly just and good person

>>40684477
>I'm a good little goym chugging hard on Constantinople's cock.

>>40684548
Because you can't build for shit.

>>40684777
Broken logic. The dog incident is perhaps indefensible, though imo it stands it strong enough opposition to other subtle and surrounding elements of the earliest gospel Mark that I think it may have been altered by Jewish Christians who wanted to obscure and invert an originally pro-gentile message. Generally I'm on the side that the gospels were originally more Gnostic and more universalist but that they were coopted for messianic Judaism and then for orthodoxy, and I think there's some entertainment and perhaps spiritual value in trying to discern their original forms. That cooptation and message alteration was happening in early Christianity is apparent from our Luke and Matthew being derived from Mark (or a proto-mark) with modifications, from John being pretty mixed up from its original version (https://isthatinthebible.wordpress.com/2015/08/17/is-john-out-of-order-the-strange-geography-and-chronology-of-the-fourth-gospel/), and from Paul's letters being widely recognized as having been interpolated in some parts and full of weird dissonances.

>>40684542
>>40684714
Oh cmon thats so lame. I ask and honest question about it and all you can do ia deflect. Its always like that with gnostic christians. They cant give clear answers and see any form of questioning (no matter the intentions) as something to react defensively to. If you really had faith in what you believed you would have no problem answering. Most of you on here just follow it because its mysterious and makes you feel like youre special. Its a simple question really. But youre still not gonna answer honestly. Maybe you would be closer to escaping the demiurge if you were intellectually honest enough to answer an easy question.

>>40685270
Unless I'm blind, you didn't even ask a question in your post, you were just digging at Gnosticism while saying you weren't. So to me it seems like you're the one being intellectually dishonest. And this will be my last reply to you. Maybe this website just doesn't have the right culture for discussing anything interesting anymore because it's been flooded by so many anons like you.

>>40685033
Still quoting bullshit that was obviously just made up to control people and anyone involved is nothing more than a useful idiot

>>40685369
You know, actually youre right. I didnt make myself clear. I thought i did but i really didnt..my question is basically what gnostics use as their supporting evidence fo believe the demiurge or sophia for example? I mentioned its not in the bible and if God wanted us to know the gnostic premise, he would have made it clear. Like I said, it sounds like mans interpration of the gospel, based on things they cant digest because they have personal grievances with certain elements of the old testament. Im not trying to bash it. Im essentially just wondering why gnostics believe these things when the bible describes something different.

As an anon said near the top, I know next to nothing about Gnosticism, but I was recently disconnected from my primary spiritual tradition. When I think about Sophia, generally, it brings me a ton of comfort, like an immediate relief.

Theres definitely something to this, regardless of how much it makes Christ-cucks seethe.

>>40685554
Ascension into Christ-consciousness is sufficient to reveal the Truth of Gnosticism, Sophia and the Demiurge are completely ulterior MythOS. Krishna says the world was not created out of sex-desire (Bhagavad-Gita)

>>40681589
If you are the anon from the beginning of the thread who kept asking for scientific studies as proof, then indeed you never did.
If not>>40676552 is still a really fucking retarded response. It helps to be aware of the context of what you're replying to, so as not to appear retarded. Also all that shit you talked about is just doing a bunch of what other people told you to do. Pretty lame of you ask me not something you should be proud of

Gnosticism makes Christians feel the same way non-Christians feel about Christianity in general. For that reason alone its incredibly based.

"You will find in the halls of Hades a spring on the left,
and standing by it, a glowing white cypress tree;
Do not approach this spring at all.
You will find another, from the lake of Memory (Mnemosyne)
refreshing water flowing forth. But guardians are nearby.
Say: “I am the child of Earth and starry Heaven;
But my race is heavenly; and this you know yourselves.
I am parched with thirst and I perish; but give me quickly
refreshing water flowing forth from the lake of Memory.”

-Petelia gold tablet (Totenpass), Greek, 300-200 BC

Sharing some heresy I posted in another thread yesterday in response to the claim that John 10:30 supports Trinitarian doctrine:

>John 10:30
>"The Father and I are one."
Consider John 17:21-23
"As you, Father, are in me and I am in you, may they also be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. The glory that you have given me I have given them, so that they may be one, as we are one, I in them and you in me, that they may become completely one, so that the world may know that you have sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me."
>"so that they may be one as we are one"
>same Greek word "one" as in in John 10:30
>"As you, Father, are in me and I am in you, may they also be in us"
???

So Jesus is asserting that it is or is possible for it to be the case that:
1. The Father is in Jesus
2. Jesus is in the Father
3. Jesus is in us.
4. The Father is in us. (in Jesus who is in us)
5. We are in Jesus
6. We are in the Father

And since we're supposed to be in Jesus and the Father in the same way that Jesus and the Father are in each other, it seems like you could set up the inclusion relationships to be something like:

...Jesus < us < Jesus < Father < Jesus < us < Jesus < Father < Jesus < us < Jesus...

So we always have Jesus as intermediary on either side, or it could be

...Father < Jesus < us < Father < Jesus < us < Father < Jesus < us...

So we're always in the Father who is in Jesus who is in us.

And I don't know how that checks out mathematically, but it *really* looks like if there's a divine trinity, then Jesus is implying that we're supposed to get fully absorbed into it at some point.

>>40686042
That passage in John 17 may also be connected with the following statements from Paul which seem to be elaborating on the same idea.

1 Corinthians 15:28
When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to the one who put all things in subjection under him, so that God may be all in all.

Galatians 3:28 (the famous one)
There is no longer Jew or Greek; there is no longer slave or free; there is no longer male and female, for all of you are one in Christ Jesus.

(And finally...) Colossians 3:11
In that renewal there is no longer Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, enslaved and free, but Christ is all and in all!

"Christ *is all* and in all" is a very strong statement!

>>40685803
And what is above Gnosticism makes you realize how based Jews truly are

>>40657474
Take psychedelics, that shit seems more real than this

>>40681749
If that was the case why would they send a revealer of truth? Why would Sophia have a "fall" if they didn't care?

>>40662789
Bro wtf? There has to be a real explanation for your grand canyon point. My immediate thought when I first visited it was, "this shit looks like a painting, why does it look fake?"

>>40684853
Wow his epic argument defending his retarded beliefs

>>40686782
No, it was a fair statement.
You're obsessed with Gnosticism being a controlled opposition.
I'm telling you DERRRRR!!!
THEN you ramble on about paedophilia.. fuck all to do with watching a builder build..
IF you're obsessed with larpy shit, especially after claiming you're a serious enquirer (here >>40685270); then fuck off when everyone labels you a deliberately contentious cunt not worth the effort.

>>40686247
Uh, hello? Golem Department calling!

>>40687093
The fact that Christianity isn’t the same religion
The fact that Satanism is the same thing but not gay
The fact that the demiurge/matrix concept exist in other religions
Yet your is the right answer
It is actually more likely Gnosticism isn’t it

>>40687188
Christianity isn’t the first religion

>>40685270
Gnosticism is matrix escape for divorced Ohio dad
Who still take their kids to church camp after the custody battle

>>40687144
Get a bunch of retards to believe their controlled opposition
Yes of course they are gods chosen people
Because it’s their god you are worshipping

>>40684477
Everything about Christianity just feels made up
Like it was not a natural part of world and only was made up then spread like disease

>>40687228
>Everything about Christianity just feels made up
Nope. At least one rapture has already occurred. This planet is, in fact, the place that some people from Earth (such as myself) were raptured to. We weren't "taken to Heaven." We were brought here instead. We're now on a real, physical, 3D planet that is definitely NOT Earth.

Bottom line: This planet is Bozrah, not Earth. Furthermore, the event in which Jesus destroys this planet is called "the day of vengeance." There will be no 7-year Tribulation or Antichrist here—because this isn't Earth. Earth is roughly 75,000 light years from here (and is currently going through the Tribulation). This is just an impostor planet.

Make sure to read my pinned X thread (all four posts). And regarding my X bio, I'm exactly who I say I am. Bozrah natives must break free from the spell they've been under. This entire situation has gotten so ridiculous. At this point, I'm just waiting for the day of vengeance.

Pinned X thread:

https://x.com/elitefeat/status/1742924942151438589
or
https://bozrah.info

And I'm genuinely curious: How long will you keep pretending this is Earth?? The time for pretending has long since passed. Wake up.

>>40687278
Ok faggot I know the real truth of this world it has nothing to do with the Bible

>>40687278
You are not even close to the truth

>>40687199
>>40687228
Create your own thread if you want to just keep posting vague subjective assertions about Christianitiy.
>>40687282
What is the real truth according to you then, and how do you know it? Answering that would at least conceivably contribute to discussion, unlike what you've been doing.

>>40687199
You’re shitting on gnosticism, yet using the terminology of a hollywood movie to describe your worldview.

>>40687282
>Ok faggot I know the real truth of this world it has nothing to do with the Bible
>>40687286
>You are not even close to the truth
After you read my pinned X thread (all four posts), click on the Reddit link and then read the Reddit content:

https://x.com/elitefeat/status/1742924942151438589

You all seriously need to wake up. LOL. Open your eyes. You're not on Earth.

>>40687309
>>40687326
The truth is not in the Bible
It is In a video game

>>40687322
Because ironically video games and movies are more truthful than whatever garbage that faggot Yahweh says

>>40687322
Wait a minute
So you don’t even know the basic
So you are not a midwit
You are just retarded

>>40687376
Sure thing buddy

>>40687390
Why are you posting on /x/ of all places the one place that will call you out on your bullshit

>>40687402
Shut the fuck up and take your meds schizo. Im the op of the thread and not whoever you have been going back and forth with. >>40687322
Is the only post i have personally made to you. I do not believe or give a shit about gnostic christianity. So go fuck yourself.

https://archive.org/details/070RingmakersOfSaturn Saturn is apparently used as a homebase for some of these Archons. This book claims to show photographic evidence of earth sozed “ships” within its ring system.

>>40656077 (OP)
RAPE THE DEMIURGE
RAPE JEWS

>>40687188
>Muh real Christian religion
>Muh chug Constantinople Cock
>Muh monotheistic crock of shit fantasy land.

>>40687188
>The fact that Christianity isn’t the same religion
You follow the dumbed down version Constantinople was generous enough to provide the pea brain peasant cucks.
>The fact that Satanism is the same thing but not gay
Really not interested in giving credibility to +500AD modern manmade rubbish not the product of Divine utterance thru the mouth of Holy men.
Occult groups make shit up on the spot.. it's not canon.
>The fact that the demiurge/matrix concept exist in other religions
Demiurge is a generic term used to hide away the "actual" creator of the physical world while other Pantheon members who are part of the same Creation story capable Godhead get all the credit of public adulation..
>Yet your is the right answer
Old Testament clearly states elohim (Gods) made everything.. Creation was a tag team event..

ALL non Bible God creation stories were all summed up as "In the beginning elohim created"..

>>40687860
Ayy and demons are both real at the same time
Yes that proves your god is real
But he is still a lie
You don’t understand this world it is obvious by your clinging to that lie

>>40687822
I can see why they are gods chosen people
It is their scam and their god so of course they are their chosen people

>>40688043
I said elohim, not Ayy nor demon..
The only lie is your faggotty Monotheism bullshit.
>>40688051
Their Jew God is just one God pulling his dick among many Gods.
No different than your Christian God pulling his dick among many Gods claiming credit for their work.

>>40688144
I never said
I was a monotheist
I don’t know what crack you are smoking
Just that Bible is a lie
It’s both true and a lie at the same time

>>40688144
You are not even close to the truth
Which should a baseline for posting here
To filter out plebs preaching their nonsense

>>40688163
>Bible.. It’s both true and a lie at the same time
Thats what I also stated..
>I never said I was a monotheist..
No, you change underwear on the spot as needed to never be wrong..
You're nothing more than a squirming deliberately contentious snake
>>40688168
>Nah, as long as I'm a vague cunt and switch directions swiftly.. I can say you're wrong cause reasons undisclosed.

>>40688171
I know the truth so I can be as vague as I want
And there is no truth in the Bible

>>40687493
Finally someone is making sense

https://web.archive.org/web/20120419221140/http://fallenalien.com/

>>40690282
Jeez, what a tardy full of shit try-hard.