>>714242272
>Like, he's a good enough manipulator to get you to weaken Asgore enough for him to get his hands on the souls, but not good enough in direct confrontation to actually beat you, or most people, in a straight up fight.
Honestly I think that's about the long and short of it, yeah
UTY wrote Flowey surprisingly well, but one consequence of it is people started to attribute way more power to him than he actually has. Just about every story I read regards him strength-wise as an infallible, unstoppable force of nature, when he's an ambusher and schemer who can't actually fight worth a dick.
It's especially egregious considering the fight against him in UTY is literally against his imagination