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7/24/2025, 7:33:17 AM
7/11/2025, 9:42:25 PM
>>24541149
Yes. Language is a technology and an artform (much like oil based painting or digital design).
Languages have been improved and refined over history to the point where we can translate Homer into culturally related languages and create new meaning from his work using neologisms like "Homeric" to describe things that are related to Homer's works (the existence of Homer is as illusory as Shakespeare btw but we have "Shakespearean"). A primitive language of clicks can't achieve the level of semiotic complexity.
I think we can improve language, understanding, and meaning construction as a technology.
Memes help.
Yes. Language is a technology and an artform (much like oil based painting or digital design).
Languages have been improved and refined over history to the point where we can translate Homer into culturally related languages and create new meaning from his work using neologisms like "Homeric" to describe things that are related to Homer's works (the existence of Homer is as illusory as Shakespeare btw but we have "Shakespearean"). A primitive language of clicks can't achieve the level of semiotic complexity.
I think we can improve language, understanding, and meaning construction as a technology.
Memes help.
7/11/2025, 2:45:00 PM
>>24540232
That's one of the scariest/most profound thoughts I came across when thinking about the Library as well: what if we just didn't discover the language yet?
Gives me a lot of hope.
You can see it in Borges too as he looks as Language on a Meta level as a deciphering tool to decrypt meaning. Maybe we can do better than English or any other language that currently exists?
Perhaps we can eventually get to Tongues?
That's one of the scariest/most profound thoughts I came across when thinking about the Library as well: what if we just didn't discover the language yet?
Gives me a lot of hope.
You can see it in Borges too as he looks as Language on a Meta level as a deciphering tool to decrypt meaning. Maybe we can do better than English or any other language that currently exists?
Perhaps we can eventually get to Tongues?
6/15/2025, 6:20:26 AM
>>24466904
>Tl;dr schizo posting.
i'm fine with schizoposting
>whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad
it's a test. if you pass, you've proven yourself godlike.
if you can survive insanity of all competing worldviews/wills than you can start making sense of metaphysics and participate in weaving it. otherwise you're a loon and will most likely jump off a cliff thinking you'll fly or some dumb shit/hamartia reason.
we could bring up Gilles & Deleuze but this thread is already too juiced with Frenchies that it'd be considered both gauche & superfluously tautological (I love being me btw ;)).
Eventually you start understand schizo like it's a dialect; makes it easier to understand homeless people (make them go away without just paying them to fuck off). Though it's not as enjoyable as speaking plainly in truths.
Even here I have to aesthetically sound like a pompous smart ass for the (you)s / rhetoric.
So keep it up anon; there's payoff if you achieve meta-sanity/clarity.
>I have a theory...
It's an interesting theory and one I kinda share myself with regards to the potentiality of language as a schema for neologism/new ideas. Obviously primitive languages would only produce primitively abstractions, but more complex languages could do more. This gets into semiotics where while the signified objects tend to be universally understood, the signifiers (words) is the limiter on what can be expressed symbolically between a culture. Long story short, there's some truth to what you say about the French Intelligentsia being in a position to descriptively "lecture" us and have the nomenclature & clout to do so.
>Die brücke ist eine frau in Deutsch, le pont est un homme en Française. A boy or a lady, they don't know which, but in English it's just the bridge, and you walk all over it. A chunk of material, an other, and so, de-selfed, in English.
There's a beauty in that distinction though: they are both true to their peoples. The French have an explanation & history for their word and and the Germans theirs. That's why stuff like etymology and philology matter; the study of these distinctions that we nominally dismiss out of heuristic convince ("It's just the same word...").
Then again, Modern English is a powerful linguistic tool for describing things accurately and creating new ideas (neologisms): all memes are pretty much in English.
It's become a memetic lingua franca.
>Tl;dr schizo posting.
i'm fine with schizoposting
>whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad
it's a test. if you pass, you've proven yourself godlike.
if you can survive insanity of all competing worldviews/wills than you can start making sense of metaphysics and participate in weaving it. otherwise you're a loon and will most likely jump off a cliff thinking you'll fly or some dumb shit/hamartia reason.
we could bring up Gilles & Deleuze but this thread is already too juiced with Frenchies that it'd be considered both gauche & superfluously tautological (I love being me btw ;)).
Eventually you start understand schizo like it's a dialect; makes it easier to understand homeless people (make them go away without just paying them to fuck off). Though it's not as enjoyable as speaking plainly in truths.
Even here I have to aesthetically sound like a pompous smart ass for the (you)s / rhetoric.
So keep it up anon; there's payoff if you achieve meta-sanity/clarity.
>I have a theory...
It's an interesting theory and one I kinda share myself with regards to the potentiality of language as a schema for neologism/new ideas. Obviously primitive languages would only produce primitively abstractions, but more complex languages could do more. This gets into semiotics where while the signified objects tend to be universally understood, the signifiers (words) is the limiter on what can be expressed symbolically between a culture. Long story short, there's some truth to what you say about the French Intelligentsia being in a position to descriptively "lecture" us and have the nomenclature & clout to do so.
>Die brücke ist eine frau in Deutsch, le pont est un homme en Française. A boy or a lady, they don't know which, but in English it's just the bridge, and you walk all over it. A chunk of material, an other, and so, de-selfed, in English.
There's a beauty in that distinction though: they are both true to their peoples. The French have an explanation & history for their word and and the Germans theirs. That's why stuff like etymology and philology matter; the study of these distinctions that we nominally dismiss out of heuristic convince ("It's just the same word...").
Then again, Modern English is a powerful linguistic tool for describing things accurately and creating new ideas (neologisms): all memes are pretty much in English.
It's become a memetic lingua franca.
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