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7/18/2025, 3:55:53 PM
>>63974623
These arguments are always retarded. Every gun has its own unique characteristics. They do have enough similarities that they can be roughly grouped into different types of gun like “assault rifle”, but these groupings always fall apart when we try to retroactively apply them to guns and give them caveats. Assault rifle and PDW are both terms that didn’t exist when the M1 through M3 was made so the terms don’t really fit, but carbines had been around for forever and the military wanted a light rifle and the term for that is carbine so it was adopted as the M1 Carbine just like there is an M1 rifle, an M1 submachine gun, an M1 helmet, an M1 tank, etc. so the military classification of the rifle is “carbine” just like the classification of the M4 is a carbine and we had a "United States Magazine Carbine, Caliber .30, Model 1899" of the Krag before the military decided to use cool (and much more efficient) “M” designations.
It almost fits this or that modern category that was invented later, but not really because of caliber and size, like if the M1 carbine is an assault rifle except the caliber doesn’t really fit then the BAR is also an assault rifle and the SKS is a battle rifle. If it’s a PDW except it’s size and 18” barrel then the Henry model 1860 is the first PDW. The term intermediate caliber didn’t exist when the 30 carbine was made so despite having power similar to a pistol round it is a “rifle” round the same way 22 long rifle is a “rifle” round. If the M1 had been full auto capable as was originally planned then these would all have been called submachine guns and we wouldn’t have to have this stupid fucking argument.
These arguments are always retarded. Every gun has its own unique characteristics. They do have enough similarities that they can be roughly grouped into different types of gun like “assault rifle”, but these groupings always fall apart when we try to retroactively apply them to guns and give them caveats. Assault rifle and PDW are both terms that didn’t exist when the M1 through M3 was made so the terms don’t really fit, but carbines had been around for forever and the military wanted a light rifle and the term for that is carbine so it was adopted as the M1 Carbine just like there is an M1 rifle, an M1 submachine gun, an M1 helmet, an M1 tank, etc. so the military classification of the rifle is “carbine” just like the classification of the M4 is a carbine and we had a "United States Magazine Carbine, Caliber .30, Model 1899" of the Krag before the military decided to use cool (and much more efficient) “M” designations.
It almost fits this or that modern category that was invented later, but not really because of caliber and size, like if the M1 carbine is an assault rifle except the caliber doesn’t really fit then the BAR is also an assault rifle and the SKS is a battle rifle. If it’s a PDW except it’s size and 18” barrel then the Henry model 1860 is the first PDW. The term intermediate caliber didn’t exist when the 30 carbine was made so despite having power similar to a pistol round it is a “rifle” round the same way 22 long rifle is a “rifle” round. If the M1 had been full auto capable as was originally planned then these would all have been called submachine guns and we wouldn’t have to have this stupid fucking argument.
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