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I can speak more to Aztec poetry. Classical Nahuatl was a very lyrical language and had different class based dialects: The speech of nobles, kings, in diplomatic contexts etc increasingly had more symbolism ladden flowery speech to the point where it could be unintelligible to commoners. There's specific lyrical conventions like Difrasismo (which are kinda like Kennings in old english), and what's mentioned here: nahuatlstudies.blogspot.com/2016/05/nahuatl-one-word-poems-guestblog-by-ben.html
Technically, afaik, Nahuatl "poems" are perhaps more akin to songs, in that they were meant to be accompanied by music, but they touched on philosophical and intellectual themes. I've also mentioned a few times that public speaking/oratorical performances were a big thing, we have numerous examples of kings preforming them to the public, nobles doing so in councils, senators in Tlaxcala to the senate or public, etc
An anon here brings up Nezahualcoyotl's poems, but I have to be a critic and intellectual honest here and say that Nezahualcoyotl's intellectual achievements are (to a degree) inflated: Much of what we have written about him comes from Fernando Alva Ixtlilxochtil, one of his descendants from the early colonial period, and he's clearly writing to glorify Texcoco's legacy and his dyansty to the Spanish, presenting it as an intellectual center in contrast to/over Tenochtitlan. I'll touch more on that further down but as it's relevant here, we don't know that any of the poems ascribed to him were actually written by him and they were probably not. But, the poems ascribed to him and other specific Aztec authors in surviving sources, while showing some Catholic religious influence, still retain a lot of Nahuatl conventions...
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There were both headdress and banner versions, but even the former weren't "crowns", see pic
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>>716295902
>>716295567
>>716294585
>>716294489
>>716291482
>>716291853
>>716296530
>>716292589
cont:
I can speak more to Aztec poetry. Classical Nahuatl was a very lyrical language and had different class based dialects: The speech of nobles, kings, in diplomatic contexts etc increasingly had more symbolism ladden flowery speech to the point where it could be unintelligible to commoners. There's specific lyrical conventions like Difrasismo (which are kinda like Kennings in old english), and what's mentioned here: nahuatlstudies.blogspot.com/2016/05/nahuatl-one-word-poems-guestblog-by-ben.html
Technically, afaik, Nahuatl "poems" are perhaps more akin to songs, in that they were meant to be accompanied by music, but they touched on philosophical and intellectual themes. I've also mentioned a few times that public speaking/oratorical performances were a big thing, we have numerous examples of kings preforming them to the public, nobles doing so in councils, senators in Tlaxcala to the senate or public, etc
An anon here brings up Nezahualcoyotl's poems, but I have to be a critic and intellectual honest here and say that Nezahualcoyotl's intellectual achievements are (to a degree) inflated: Much of what we have written about him comes from Fernando Alva Ixtlilxochtil, one of his descendants from the early colonial period, and he's clearly writing to glorify Texcoco's legacy and his dyansty to the Spanish, presenting it as an intellectual center in contrast to/over Tenochtitlan. I'll touch more on that further down but as it's relevant here, we don't know that any of the poems ascribed to him were actually written by him and they were probably not. But, the poems ascribed to him and other specific Aztec authors in surviving sources, while showing some Catholic religious influence, still retain a lot of Nahuatl conventions...
>>716310129
There were both headdress and banner versions, but even the former weren't "crowns", see pic
21/?
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