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6/22/2025, 4:16:52 PM
>>49601871
>touhou is dead, it died somewhere during touhou 13 or 14 and got buried after 15
I get what you mean, that's where the musical style and the visual aesthetic really started shifting, and the presentation was always a huge part of Touhou. I'd place its death at around th8, though, that's where it really started going wrong. The lunarians started the whole lore focus nonsense. Though the series still has that classic Touhou feel up to about game 10 or 11.
>I blame marriage, but lets be honest, he's probably just doing it for money or legacy now or whatever, not because he cares or believes anymore
Meeehhhh. I doubt he's doing it for the money or whatever too - he's said that he'll keep making the games even if nobody cares about them, just for himself, and I believe that. He's just a different person and therefore a different creator now. The doujin scene is pretty different now too, so it's only natural for him to evolve. I see no reason to look for someone to blame. It just so happens that his new direction is boring as hell and overall pretty shit according to our sensibilities. It is according to mine anyway.
>>49601896
>I would blame it on the fact that after 11, the games' stories became very gimmicky. It doesn't feel like you're exploring a new, previously unknown part of Gensokyo, where you find a whole host of different, independent creatures, all with their own stories.
True! Nothing to add, really. I think it's about connecting everything together. I get it, a lot of people love their worldbuilding, but it also ruins any sense of wonder or mystique it used to have. And that sense is really what Touhou was about.
>>49602634
>We do have the comments of ZUN of the pictures though. All red-white characters are called a miko by ZUN.
>Label girl fits the ZUN shrine maiden of the time and there's also a shrine maiden in the story. So she seems to be implied to be one...
Sure, if you want it that way. I never said the interpretation has no ground to stand on. No reason to search for a concrete truth when there is none, though...
>But that's the problem of ZUN canon, three implications that only some see and few objective truths.
Why in the world is it a problem? It's more fun this way, it gives you tools (girls) to play with yourself. It's why DiPP stories and Portrait of Exotic Girls pictures are so great.
>>49604048
>In hindsight ZUN never elaborate on DiPP is the point,
True, yes, what I'm getting at above. But also,
>the CD was meant to tell you that horrific things are happening in Gensokyo,
>in Gensokyo
Windows brain...
>>49604145
>It's just effect of weather in early games (fog, snow, full moon). Imagine th14 happened during the thunderstorm and it will be different
Genuinely kind of true. It's not the only factor, obviously, but the visual style and the environmental feel has changed a lot, which is extremely unflattering to the stories. Well, as I've said, presentation matters.
>>49604431
>I don't know what to make of the C63 story.
It's a series of vignettes vaguely relating to Touhou, adjacent stories and its inspirations. Not necessarily to the context in which the songs were used in the games, by the way. Legend of Hourai is Kaguya stuff, obviously, Japanese Flower seems to be Yuyuko's resurrection, Dichromatic Butterfly is what looks like Reimu's thoughts during Shuusougyoku's extra stage, Shanghai Alice of Meiji 17 is basically just the prologue to Shanghai Gen'ya with a bit of Touhou flair (the mention of magic) and so on. Some of it is more challenging to connect with anything specific, but really, I don't think each vignette is necessarily a direct reference to one specific thing.
>touhou is dead, it died somewhere during touhou 13 or 14 and got buried after 15
I get what you mean, that's where the musical style and the visual aesthetic really started shifting, and the presentation was always a huge part of Touhou. I'd place its death at around th8, though, that's where it really started going wrong. The lunarians started the whole lore focus nonsense. Though the series still has that classic Touhou feel up to about game 10 or 11.
>I blame marriage, but lets be honest, he's probably just doing it for money or legacy now or whatever, not because he cares or believes anymore
Meeehhhh. I doubt he's doing it for the money or whatever too - he's said that he'll keep making the games even if nobody cares about them, just for himself, and I believe that. He's just a different person and therefore a different creator now. The doujin scene is pretty different now too, so it's only natural for him to evolve. I see no reason to look for someone to blame. It just so happens that his new direction is boring as hell and overall pretty shit according to our sensibilities. It is according to mine anyway.
>>49601896
>I would blame it on the fact that after 11, the games' stories became very gimmicky. It doesn't feel like you're exploring a new, previously unknown part of Gensokyo, where you find a whole host of different, independent creatures, all with their own stories.
True! Nothing to add, really. I think it's about connecting everything together. I get it, a lot of people love their worldbuilding, but it also ruins any sense of wonder or mystique it used to have. And that sense is really what Touhou was about.
>>49602634
>We do have the comments of ZUN of the pictures though. All red-white characters are called a miko by ZUN.
>Label girl fits the ZUN shrine maiden of the time and there's also a shrine maiden in the story. So she seems to be implied to be one...
Sure, if you want it that way. I never said the interpretation has no ground to stand on. No reason to search for a concrete truth when there is none, though...
>But that's the problem of ZUN canon, three implications that only some see and few objective truths.
Why in the world is it a problem? It's more fun this way, it gives you tools (girls) to play with yourself. It's why DiPP stories and Portrait of Exotic Girls pictures are so great.
>>49604048
>In hindsight ZUN never elaborate on DiPP is the point,
True, yes, what I'm getting at above. But also,
>the CD was meant to tell you that horrific things are happening in Gensokyo,
>in Gensokyo
Windows brain...
>>49604145
>It's just effect of weather in early games (fog, snow, full moon). Imagine th14 happened during the thunderstorm and it will be different
Genuinely kind of true. It's not the only factor, obviously, but the visual style and the environmental feel has changed a lot, which is extremely unflattering to the stories. Well, as I've said, presentation matters.
>>49604431
>I don't know what to make of the C63 story.
It's a series of vignettes vaguely relating to Touhou, adjacent stories and its inspirations. Not necessarily to the context in which the songs were used in the games, by the way. Legend of Hourai is Kaguya stuff, obviously, Japanese Flower seems to be Yuyuko's resurrection, Dichromatic Butterfly is what looks like Reimu's thoughts during Shuusougyoku's extra stage, Shanghai Alice of Meiji 17 is basically just the prologue to Shanghai Gen'ya with a bit of Touhou flair (the mention of magic) and so on. Some of it is more challenging to connect with anything specific, but really, I don't think each vignette is necessarily a direct reference to one specific thing.
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