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7/12/2025, 9:43:38 AM
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>So are EC dead in the water?
stubborn, inexorable, fearless, gone
You still strike first, and they die first; then they run (way more likely to happen now against elites).
With +1i spears, you strike first in a disordered charge out of rhino.
Shriekers disable reactions on a charge; kakophoni disable reactions on hit (stun).
Palatines are still in 2+ with new +1S AP3 breaching 5+ weapons with Vanguard (3). With many models losing access to AP2 weapons to fight them, Palatines can become a menace, imo.
Phoenixes are nerfed hard but still cost 200 with spears; spears are D2 on a charge. With WS6 they can potentially wreck big WS5 2w units in 3+.
Eidolons TH was nerfed, but he got one more wound (yes, 4 wounds) and one more attack on a charge (still faster than other THs on a charge).
Lucius is still a good duelist (+5 to focus roll with EC gambit and his blade), but his -S AP2 D2 blade might struggle against T5. (no more rending or fleshbane). So picking the finishing blow gambit might not be the worst idea for him.
Fulgrim got an AP2 D2 weapon. Terminators, beware!
Hereticus is kind of better than it used to be. Stupify removes and prevents statuses (i.e., you aren't attacking at i1) and gives small FnP 6+ (no more FnP from apothecaries, remember?) and +1S. No longer makes you charges disordered. Might be really good against shooters that apply statuses.
EC aren't dead; bet they lost some good stuff like -1 to hit from old shriekers, charging with +1i in a disordered charge, Eidolon's hammer, fluffy 3rd company elite sonic lance blobs, etc. Many other legions lost good stuff as well.
>So are EC dead in the water?
stubborn, inexorable, fearless, gone
You still strike first, and they die first; then they run (way more likely to happen now against elites).
With +1i spears, you strike first in a disordered charge out of rhino.
Shriekers disable reactions on a charge; kakophoni disable reactions on hit (stun).
Palatines are still in 2+ with new +1S AP3 breaching 5+ weapons with Vanguard (3). With many models losing access to AP2 weapons to fight them, Palatines can become a menace, imo.
Phoenixes are nerfed hard but still cost 200 with spears; spears are D2 on a charge. With WS6 they can potentially wreck big WS5 2w units in 3+.
Eidolons TH was nerfed, but he got one more wound (yes, 4 wounds) and one more attack on a charge (still faster than other THs on a charge).
Lucius is still a good duelist (+5 to focus roll with EC gambit and his blade), but his -S AP2 D2 blade might struggle against T5. (no more rending or fleshbane). So picking the finishing blow gambit might not be the worst idea for him.
Fulgrim got an AP2 D2 weapon. Terminators, beware!
Hereticus is kind of better than it used to be. Stupify removes and prevents statuses (i.e., you aren't attacking at i1) and gives small FnP 6+ (no more FnP from apothecaries, remember?) and +1S. No longer makes you charges disordered. Might be really good against shooters that apply statuses.
EC aren't dead; bet they lost some good stuff like -1 to hit from old shriekers, charging with +1i in a disordered charge, Eidolon's hammer, fluffy 3rd company elite sonic lance blobs, etc. Many other legions lost good stuff as well.
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