No edition edition

Previous Heresy: >>96066063

>HH 3.0 Leaks
https://imgur.com/a/C7NLFxm
https://imgur.com/a/ThwkCe3
https://imgur.com/a/jYokLre
https://imgur.com/a/8EaFmTM
And more you should probably backtrack the last two or so threads

>New Edition upon us
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/

>New to The Horus Heresy? Here’s Everything You’ll Need to Get Started
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/30/new-to-the-horus-heresy-heres-everything-youll-need-to-get-started/
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)
https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS
>30k TACTICA & TIPS
https://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/2.0_Tactics/General_Tactics

>MEGAs are down for the time being, going to wait for things to cooldown with the new edition and leaks before bringing them back up

『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/
>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colours
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview
>More lists
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions
>What size magnets do I need?
5x1mm
>Tactics
https://1d6chan.miraheze.orug/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics

Thread question:
How much damage has your army (armies) suffered as a whole?

>TQ
None. This will be my first edition. I will buy the box, and wait to see what I will purchase next after im done with the said saturine box.

>>96069258 (OP)
>TQ
about 1/3rd my army is wounded/crippled from this.

All I wanted was the option to purchase Bitter Duty on characters.

>TQ
Yes.

>>96069258 (OP)
Death Guard look stronger than before, but my personal army? Lost my dreadnoughts, and my plasma cannons got nerfed while every other heavy got arguably buffed, apothecaries look like ass, and primus medicae has ceased to exist. SO... I'll be running nothing but terminators and tanks if I decide to play 3e

>>96069258 (OP)
>TQ:How much damage has your army (armies) suffered as a whole?


World Eaters thankfullly arent that bad, mainly Rampagers are bad and Red Butcher are good again.

Dark Angels have boring base rules, but pretty good legion units.

Overall not that bad compared to others.

>>96069258 (OP)
>TQ
Destroyers and HQs the most. Thankfully my group adopted a grandfather clause for things if Legacies doesn't help.

>>96069299
>Dark Angels have boring base rules, but pretty good legion units.
DA player here, yes you can rip on me.
But no not really, the only solid legion specific unit we have now is Inner circle knights which again, great unit not saying they are not, but intemptors are DOA.
We lost plasma repeaters as well.

DA got taken down several pegs, probably more then they should have.

>>96069310
Oh sorry also DWC but those are retinues so harder to actually utilize.

>>96069310
What kind of illiterate idiot thinks eternal warrior 1 Deathwing Companions are bad? What a crybaby.

>We lost plasma repeaters as well.
You mean the overpriced gun that no one used, oh man what a loss.

>TQ
>Raven Guard player
>love muh seekers
>love my beamer naut
>hated the gay 40 shot rending 4+ mor deythan and now they're a dedicated sniper squad again
I'm doing great

>TQ
I play an Iron Warriors list that's:
4x 10 Tacs + Apothecary, each in a rhino
6x Quad Mortar Rapiers
2x Scorpius
1x Contemptor
1x Autocannon Iron Havocs (10 man)
1x Volkite Caliver Support Squad (10 man)
1x Siege Breaker
1x Power Armor Warsmith with a Command Squad - everyone just has power swords, the Command Squad have Shields

The only thing that's illegal now is the Warsmith, so that Command Squad is probably being put on the shelf with him.

>>96069335
>What kind of illiterate idiot thinks eternal warrior 1 Deathwing Companions are bad? What a crybaby.
Its a retinue unit, its great but its harder to spam.
Repeaters were great what are you on? Are you thinking of the burners? THOSE were expensive as fuck, but repeaters were great as glass canon units.

>>96069288
All i wanted was to do a little war crime against my former brothers in a bygone age to the bitter end.
Pouring a drink for Destroyers, for the arms and armor we’ve lost, and 2 more for Bligh

>>96069258 (OP)
I saw one page of journal leaks, any others?

>>96069340
I'm pretty sure warsmiths are still around anon

>>96069342
>Its a retinue unit, its great but its harder to spam.

Why are you spamming the 300pt unit? Just take a hero, put him in there and delete your opponent's best stuff.

>Repeaters are great
Ok, so you dont know what your doing, got it. Glad they took that toy from you, it'll force you to learn to play better.

>>96069254
Drop them to T5 but give them battle hardened(1)
Give them Firing Protocols(2) base
Have the thermal defraction field let you take regular armor saves against all Gets Hot rolls.
Deep Strike
No running, no sweeping, cannot make reactions except return fire and Overwatch
No vexilla, scanner, or vox
Whatever rule that lets you move and shoot heavy weapons with no penalty
Disruption fists are +2S Haywire power fists
Plasma bombard is a barrage plasma cannon
Heavy Disintegrator is S8 AP2 Shred Gets Hot
Particle flamer is a S5 AP4 Breaching (3+) template
300 points cannot be taken in squads larger than 3 all wargear options same cost as 3.0.

>>96069359
what is bad about repeaters?

>>96069349
Master of Descent was posted last thread

Did anyone leak the Saturnine Journal stuff?

>>96069365
>GUYS! we totally kept kit bashing see! we put this unit in that you need to buy 2 of our kits for to make!

>>96069350
You have to run them as the one they sell now.
I don't have a terminator one, mine is just a MK3 body I stuck a servo arm to because I like my IVth Legion to have nothing fancy about them.

>>96069365
Oh right, what does the Augur squad do? Dost thou have it?

Is there anything redeemable about white scars

>>96069318
We get an auxiliary detachment that lets you take a prime retinue, an elite, and a shock assault. They're literally designed to spam this edition.

>>96069380
Oh ok you know what, fair quite fair.

>TQ
None thankfully. I was still in the accumulation stage (increasing my pile of shame) while planning out my force (uhming and ahing occasionally while painting other shit).
I was also keeping an eye ouzt for that one guy who basically sculpted gal vorbak with all the weapon options, but that was like playing whack-a-mole. And now might not be necessary anymore unless they manifest that shit via legacies or DLC

>>96069372
Yeah, thats kitbashing, what the fuck do you think any other kitbashing was?

>>96069374
I have not spied it

>>96069368
We have Master of Descent last thread and the tank >>96069365

>>96069392
Using the extra bits from kits you already built out in order to make characters and unique loadouts that are rule legal, not literally "Bro make this unit by explicitly buying these 2 kits."

>>96069372
I mean isn't that what most kitbashing is for those without a 3d printer?

>>96069402
My defintion of kit bashing is not "Buy these 2 explicit kits to combine them into this unit."
Its along the lines of
"Hey i have all these spare bits i can use to make a unique character that fits this profile or units for thematic flare." not an out right "if you wanna build this unit you gotta by these 2 kits."

>>96069401
>Buy two kits to make a unit
You still bought two kits dumbass

>>96069297
anything revealed for DG other than legion rite and grave wardens? Heavy support squads look like they'll cost more, at least for a lot of weapons

>>96069378
Unfortunately no. Bad primarch, extra movement doesn't matter when you can't win in melee as everything is stronger than scars. Death guard move-and-shoot is better for mobile gunlines and flexibility if you're not gonna be a good melee army. Other legions are better at the flexible wide-play like Ultramarines free reactions everywhere on the board. The "go fast" thing stops mattering the second any status are dished out as any 3 status makes scars strike last in melee to go with their mediocre stats, and immobilize status is a 2-for-1, the losing-reactions one hurts when it also disables the scars run-away reaction too, and if you can't melee being forced to fire snap-shots is a killer. Tanks don't get any advantage from the extra movement and stuff like 10 lascannons is too expensive to be running 9" to deal as much damage as a squad a third the cost (and running backwards means opponent bullies you away from caps).

Games only last 4 turns and battles are on boards too small for real life hit-and-run tactics. And you can't do hit-and-run tactics against stuff like Death Guard, Alpha Legion, Ravenguard or Iron Hands or Ultramarines or others which automatically steamroll Scars in a long range gunline contest.

>>96069362
>Drop them to T5 but give them battle hardened(1)
Hard on on the battle hardened, save that for the sally unique satties
>Give them Firing Protocols(2) base
Maybe
>Have the thermal defraction field let you take regular armor saves against all Gets Hot rolls.
Thats normal gets hot, just make it so melta and las are counted as -1S for a psuedo battle hardened for the big energy weapons
>Deep Strike
This is a tough one, maybe for points
>No running, no sweeping, cannot make reactions except return fire and Overwatch
I would say no movement reactions
>No vexilla, scanner, or vox
Sensible
>Whatever rule that lets you move and shoot heavy weapons with no penalty
Yes
>Disruption fists are +2S Haywire power fists
Fine
>Plasma bombard is a barrage plasma cannon
Fine
>Heavy Disintegrator is S8 AP2 Shred Gets Hot
And instant Death for d3 on bigger targets
>Particle flamer is a S5 AP4 Breaching (3+) template
3+ is base AP2 99% of the time at that point. 4+ max
>300 points cannot be taken in squads larger than 3 all wargear options same cost as 3.0.
Should still be able to take 6

>>96069413
* oh, and unlike warhammerfantasy, extra movement speed doesn't mean if your weaker squad breaks the enemy's morale and they run away, that you can catch them as they flee and they die. In 3E they just run away and then stop safely and crush the Scars again.

So are EC dead in the water?

>>96069420
Well I'm not playtesting it.
Maybe I'll set some of them up as targets so I can zero my .22's scope.

>>96069439
not as dead as WS, pour one out for the Space Mongolians.

>>96069439

I thought you HH players didn't care about power levels, just playing /yourdudes/?

>>96069439
Looking to be middle of the pack. Striking first with power axes is certainly better than White Scars. Though the EC special units suck major cocks. (every other unique terminators are 3-4 attacks, EC is 2 attacks)

>>96069439
More like alive in the bog.

>>96069412
Deathshroud are just normal tartaros with scythes and eternal warrior 1, Typhus is decent from what I remember but I can't quote anything regarding his stats. For prime units they get eternal warrior 2 and an extra unit, so I'm entertaining putting that on deathshroud/breachers

what's the current legion tier chart for 3.0

>>96069451
IMO top tier idk if i would say S or A
Tsons
Alpha legion
UM
I will say AL is def S tier. They are STUPID fucking good.

>>96069451
>Stier
My legion.
>Shit tier
Both my legion and your legion

>>96069454
loyalty is its own reward

>>96069451
>>96069454
>>96069458
It really would be funny if local metas degenerated into Alphas vs Alphas

>>96069451
probably something like
high:
ravenguard, deathguard, ultramarines, iron hands, alpha legion

mid:
sons of horus, salamanders, word bearers, blood angels, world eaters (non-nails), emps children (non-stupid-powder), imperial fists, nightlords, thousand sons, iron warriors

crap:
space wolves, dark angels, white scars, world eaters (nails), emps children (on stupid powder)

>>96069258 (OP)
Fyi, 1st 2 imgurs are down

>>96069449
DG prime benefit can only go on a centurion

>>96069449
you give a character +1 wound and eternal warrior 2, basically making a centurion into a primarch defensively, so he can tank lascannon shots for the squad.

>>96069451
Ignore all other posters
S Tier
>RG AL TS IH
A Tier
>SOH UM SALLIES
Suicide pact tier
>Everyone Else

>>96069445
yeah but its no fun getting shitstomped by armies who are objectively better. Not sure why im explaining this to a nogames

>>96069480
> Can tank maybe 6 shots before killed
What a waste of points and prime slots

>>96069493
4++ so that's taking dozens of lascannon shots to kill him actually. And it's a bigger benefit against dmg3 super tank guns.

>>96069445
Yeah everyone says that but secretly you try to slam your best combos into your list while whining that the other guys stuff is overpowered and YOUR is underpowered

>>96069258 (OP)
>Games only last 4 turns
This is such an awful change jesus. Remember when 4th ed was between 6 and 9 turns? I 'member

>>96069495
> Dozens
Lmaaaooooooooooooooooooo

>>96069488
They're still Marines. Generic units are really good this edition. Getting stomped is not going to be due to a paint scheme like 2.0.

>>96069499
I also noticed many of the very long range guns (i.e. over 48 inches like snipers and conversions beamers) have had their range slashed down.

GW definitely wants 30k to be short games on small boards like 40k, and they can fuck right off.

>>96069488

I play lots of games, just not HH. I seem to remember this thread was really hostile towards non-Astartes players though; people were saying that Aux and Mech players should be satisfied with getting shitstomped by marine players since that's what the game's supposed to be about.

>>96069497

Makes sense. Scrub mentality. These are the people who crybabied their way away from tournament 40k, after all.

>>96069458
>loyalty is its own reward
And how is that working out for the loyal consumer-base and fan-base of the Horus Heresy game?

>>96069503
true but people enjoy using the special units. Some of the legion specific units are looking pretty terrible. Especially phoenix guard (again)
>>96069538
>everyone on hhg is the same
did you get molested by a HH player? Why are you even here

>>96069499
yeah, 4 turn games on a tiny board with 90% of units in the game made identical. They've turned Horus Heresy into Spearhead Demo Mode. Not a real wargame.

>>96069503
anon, the best marine units last edition were generic ones

>>96069557

The HH players at my LGS said that everyone using the same units was what made the game good, and looked down on non-Astartes players.

>>96069472
WS always have some sleeper hits, because adding +2" to everything that isn't a vehicle is super strong in some cases
Golden Keshig don't seem bad either

>>96069550
Unironically, anyone who built the 2.0 starter box stock, bought the resinslop characters, and never converted is totally unscathed. It is only us hobbyist wretches, blinded by hubris, whomst've been hoisted by our power-armoured petards.

>>96069530
At least the standard boards are still 6'x4'.

If I wanted this level of abstraction and weapon-saminess, I'd just play Legions Imperialis, it's a better system.

>>96069571
>implying the rules haven't fucked everyone over
>it's actually just OUR fault!!!!
Wow. Some people still be in the denial phase. What a pitiable creature.

>>96069567
We get it, the Space Marine players touched you in the no-no place and now you're a faggot. We're not your fucking therapist.

>PLEASE PLAY TITANICUS
>PLEASE PLAY LIGMA
"No."

>>96069584
And if you wanted an even better system, you'd PLAY TITANICUS

>>96069590
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcWLMkFmxck

>>96069591

I do play Titanicus, that game is fun. I also play Legions Imperialis.

>>96069571
if you built the AoD box as it comes your army is 110% worthless in Saturnine, faggot.
Generic cataphr terminators eat dick with no move, no deepstrike charge, joke shooting, WS4 helpless in melee, a pitiful 2 attacks instead of 3-5 of named terminators, bad every single place. Spartan is horrible for 400 points and only a 50% chance to escape one of 3 status per turn (so 50% your immobilize sticks and he's got 1000 points sitting there unmoving)
The generic hero from the starter box is bad. Wooh powerswords that do nothing or a 2h power axe that is worthless as he strikes last and is instantly massacred by named characters like Kharn.
Dreadnoughts now die in one shot and aren't worth fielding.
The 40 plain tactical marines that didnt come with upgrades are fine to go stand on a circle - but starter boxfags have no different access to basic troopers than everyone else.

Casuals without 3d printers lose harder than anyone in HH3.

>>96069591
if I wanted a better system I wouldnt play a gw game

>>96069620
Enlighten us, Anon. What should we play?

>>96069568
notice you haven't actually been able to point out a single case where it's "super strong"
White scars get 2" extra movement when it doesnt matter at all.
Death Guard get 4" extra movement when it allows them to move from 100% out of line of sight invincible to see the enemy and shoot weapons as if stationary. And they ignore being slowed down by difficult terrain, which massively slows white scars unless Jaghatai is holding the baby's hands for them.

>>96069617
>proontfag
Opinion discarded

>>96069630
the official MLP roleplaying game

>>96069590
>look down
>whisper "no"
>they explode at my feet
>external vox tied to the war sirens, lol

Since everyone quitting 30k, can I have your models?

>>96069651
Nobody's quitting 30k, just 3.0. We have two perfectly good rulesets available.

>>96069651
Why? They're illegal

>>96069651
you'll buy them off ebay. Nobody is rewarding the mentally handidcapped.

>>96069671
>Nobody is rewarding the mentally handidcapped.

He hasn't heard about Kevin Rountree's GW

>3.0 leaks so inflammatory the entirety of imgur got nuked
Good.

Is it true termites and drop pods can’t enter en masse? What about my assault on the tempest galleries salamanders?

Good news boys, HH3 is a massive flop. 15 minutes after launch, the biggest US webshop went from 40 saturnines to 29 and it's not really moving any more.

>>96069679
>>96069743
Stay Winning, Recalcitrantbros

>>96069720
>games are only 4 turns
>barring a Master of Descent who can deepstirke turn 1, you can only ds turn 2 and onward
>you get 1 ds attempt per turn
>undeployed reserves count as destroyed
Or so I understand

Anyone see Recon squads yet?

>>96069767
>deepstrike turn 2
>no allowed to melee until turn 3
>game ends on turn 4
A deepstrike squad if it gets lucky fights 2 times the entire game maximum, hilarious.

>store started at 20 libers and only sold 5 since launch
it's a mystery why people aren't paying $110 to get no-customization-space-marines.

> HH bros ... did James fly too close to the sun?

It's simple, really: The Horus Heresy must die.

>>96069796
they sold 1 single more box in the last 15 minutes on a top3 US webstore, GW executives writing 3 more cope articles to post about how they didnt entirely change and ruin the game and invalidate all your models

>>96069796
>$4.20 of plastic
>$5.80 of dead tree and ink
>+20% tariff

It can go lower.

I don't understand why they insisted on mimicking the modern 40k style of unit options. There's so much empty space on the page anyway, so why not just list out the available wargear instead of the nonsense they have?

>>96069826
this box is even lower demand than skaventide by a wide margin from watching both online launches. And I got skaventide for $169 like 2 or 3 months later since stores couldn't get rid of them. Saturnine box will eventually drop to $170 easy.

>>96069833
We all owe Leaker-kun a lot of money saved

>>96069828
the really odd thing is HH3 units have nearly zero special rules on average, but then they don't even list the wargear options, just "buy some sergeant wargear, buy one heavy weapon, no we won't list any weapon stats"
So much empty page for a melee squad that could've been filled with the common weapons.

>>96069833
BlackFridayChad . . . I KNEEL!

>>96069841
Pardo got fucked so that we may save. Praise Fuck Pardo!

>>96069743
Which shop is that? Wargame Portal?

>>96069828
That's what I don't get. I really don't understand what the objective was with the new formatting. It's not like the units have SO MANY options that they need too save space, and they don't even put multiple units on one page to take advantage of all the space they saved anyways. Just so baffling. Were they really expecting people to soiface over the return of wargear lists from really old editions that hard?

>>96069867
>look at all these lists!!
>no, you can't use them

>>96069843
Exactly. Everything about the writing and formatting is so poorly optimized. Why would you ever think pic related has better coherency or legibility than >>96069828?

>>96069785
>>96069823
cmogames?

>>96069877

Well, GW pays peanuts so it's not like they're hiring the best and brightest.

>>96069843
I feel like the libers are probably indicative of what happened behind the scenes.

The rules writers likely wanted it to be options as is, plus return to 4th ed and earlier era of war gear section. But then the suits told them no model, no rules, and so everything had to get fucked hard.

The war gear section just makes no sense unless it was actually widely used at some point in development.

>>96069796
>15% discount
>on first pre-order day

We did it!

>>96069796
That's standard MAP pricing. It's not a limited release so of course it's going to be discounted. On launch boxes like this GW will gladly sell 200+ of them to a store, so online shops are going to race to the bottom and go for quantity.
And before you scream cope and still 3.0 looks like shit, I'm sticking with 2.0 and trying to convince the group to play 1.0.

>>96069888
This seems plausible. I'd love to talk to one of the rules writers for this edition and hear what they had to say in terms of what their original vision for this edition was and if it was compromised by GW corporate or not. Definitely feels like GW trying to fuck with people who 3d print extra bits.

>>96069867
So you have to flip to the back of the book and wear the binding out faster.

I honestly hope 3e is good because I am not fucking going back to the dumpster fire that is 2e for an indefinite amount of time

How many of the starter boxes is too much? I just ordered 3 and I think thats still not enough for a whole army

>>96069895
since it's 2 weeks before preorders even ship, wait 2 weeks for the live release and it'll probably be at least 20-30% discounted. The websites have sold less copies than one Space Wolves box for the entirety of the planet and horus heresy. Hundreds of these boxes are wasting corners of hobby shops unable to be sold because no one wants them soon.

>>96069909
same.

>>96069796
> that tfw when nobody sees 30k boxes selected

>>96069888
Maybe it's just me, but I feel like the writing style of 3.0 rules is highly reminiscent of current 40k rule writing styles. It's the unnecessary wordiness of it all, like it's trying to prevent tournament rules lawyering.

>>96069258 (OP)
>TQ
I miss the shit show that was these helmets desu
I want to go back

>Everyone is going to convince everyone else to fragment and play between...
>3.0
>2.0
>1.0
>eceleb house rules
>personal house ruled edition
>house ruled 3.0
>house ruled 2.0
>house ruled 1.0
Its over, isn't it sisters.

>>96069258 (OP)
my WS bike list is totally fucked, I have no idea what I'll do because its the army I want to play, but can't anymore

>>96069910
I'm at 5 personally. I think an all saturnine dreadnought army would be kinda epic

anybody seen spartan rules?

>>96069910
Why would you need 120 tacticals, 3 saturnine dreads, 18 saturnine terminators, 3 saturnine praetors, 3 generic centurions and 3 of the stupid turret?

>>96069926
400pts base and lost flare shields

>>96069927
To bait you ofc.

>>96069919
Maybe we’ll just play the superior 10th edition instead

>>96069926

>>96069916
Oh yeah, the rules themselves are a completely different matter. Those are super cursed, and have definitely been through AI at some stage, edited by a crackhead in withdrawal, buried in a ditch, and rubber stamped by some corpo suit.

>>96069907
If only they anonymously released a 'fan' edit of the units.

>>96069921
oy vey just buy a new army like a good consumer
>>96069919
its been over since gw took over

>>96069930
>play the superior 10th edition
That's a funny way to say 2nd edition

>>96069927
>120 tacticals
Isn’t that the base line amount of tacticals someone should have?

I do think it's kind of funny that Sanguinary Guard are once again missing from the Blood Angels roster, right after finally getting them as an Exemplary Unit.

That said, has there been any word on the fate of Exemplary Units? Are they showing up as legends units or are they being removed from the game entirely?

>>96069916
it's not difficult to parse the words but HH3.0 takes four sentences to say one sentence worth of words. (And it repeats itself so 50% of this edition is literal garbage)

Fulgrim Transfigured must have a Challenge declared for him and may use the Heroic Intervention Reaction without expending a Reaction Point.

In the Controlling Player's Challenge Sub-Phase, if a Model with this Special Rule is eligible to have a Challenge declared for it, the Controlling Player must do so. In addition, if the Controlling Player of a Model with this Special Rule declares they will use the Heroic Intervention Advanced Reaction, and selects a Model with this Special Rule, they are not required to spend any points from their Reaction Allotment to do so."

That is 94 (NINETY FOUR) words used on a single simple rule when 13 words could say "Fulgrim must declare eligible challenges. He can heroically intervene without spending a point."

Using any of HH3 books is Physically Tiring, as they use 500-700% more written words than are actually needed everywhere.

>>96069929
Ah, you have succeeded then.

>>96069945
journals

>>96069921
What do bikes look like in 3.0? Are they still stuck at T4 or did something worse happen to them along with everything else?

>>96069927
>Why would you need 120 tacticals, 3 saturnine dreads, 18 saturnine terminators, 3 saturnine praetors, 3 generic centurions and 3 of the stupid turret?

>>96069948
I went through half a bottle of whiskey figuring out what the WE ChainBrothers rule 'does'

>>96069954
still T4 but outriders now have 2W so thats something I guess

>>96069948
blame the retards that infest this army

>>96069957
Not going to lie, I read that rule and gave up. "two models of some type get some sort of buff somehow if they're vaguely in each other's vicinity"

>>96069956
honestly who thought putting the turret emplacement in the starter box was a good idea. Red flag number 1

>>96069956
Fucking hell.
That actually makes me physically ill.
I have like 3 boxes of stuff sitting on my bookshelf waiting to be built and I feel guilty about THAT, how do these people get like this?

>>96069965
Truth. Non-terrain buildings, stationary emplacements and aircraft flyers are the 3 categories absolutely forbidden in starter boxes.
If you give them competitive stats, you've heavily altered the game centering it on non-interactive flyers or bland boring stationary buildings/turrets. If they give them non-competitive stats, now they devalue the box while also lowering the game balance as whichever 'friend' is given the turret or building or CSM airplane just loses most games in an unfun imbalanced manner.

>>96069962
Honestly they should hire an English major or something. Can't be worse than whatever they're writing now.

Are my Word Bearers safe? I haven't found leaks for them yet. They're dead aren't they anons

>>96069972
That's probably an order for a shop.

>>96069948
>>96069957
>>96069962
Mfw even if I wanted to play 3e, I'd need to rewrite all the rules to be 5% of the word count and actually be clear, quick and easy to both read and understand.

If tourney losers or whoever this is intended for have a problem, they should release some legalese handbook as a separate release that does into autistic detail of every possible thing.

>>96069978
anon...

>>96069933
ty tgbro

>>96069981
they just need to do what every other company on the planet does. A card for Magic the Gathering or any other popular card game, the text will say like 10-20 words, and if there's rare interpretations and rule interactions to think of, an entirely separate website has discussions about each and every card and what the official rulings for tourneylosers very very obscure daydreams about the card mean.

For your average customer (99% of players) they almost never have to read that website, maybe for a few seconds for the 2 or 3 most complicated cards in their 60 card deck, at most and only for a few seconds.

>>96069982
Too optimistic?

>>96070004
That would require a level of modernization that GW is, for some reason, extremely reluctant to embrace. They can barely figure out how to update their own app, let alone run an online forum for discussion.

>>96069972
in some people's case, it's because the nearest 3 stores ended their relationship with games workshop and dumped the entire store's GW products for a 50% off event (the limit on 15% discounts maximum only applies to people who willingly want to sell GW product in the future)

It's hard to say no to $40 startcollecting/vanguard box with like 150-200 of minis inside or a $100 battleforce box. I know someone would buy a NIB battleforce off me for at least 130 or more if I ever decided to sell.

>>96069945
they havent gone into details, other than confirming that there will be a legacies pdf. i expect exemplary battles units will show up there, but who knows what else

>>96069979
I'm sorry brother
we lost everything

>>96069954
they look a lot like they did in 2.0, except now all the weapons are more dogshit, and there are less synergies. all the jet bike weapons are just worse, for example, but they still cost the same and they can't even shoot their pistols anymore. outriders got a glow up and are decent, but even with all the cool wargear options you still can only shoot a single weapon

no characters on bikes is the killer though, and even if you could get them, most of the characters don't give any buffs, so why would you? like golden kheshig are pretty solid, but without re-rolling those lances you're not getting enough in a unit to matter unless you're spamming them

khan lost his bike and now lets you outflank landraiders instead? just some very smooth brain shit going on

>>96070023
brother.... everything?

>>96069965
I think its a subtle way of filling up the box with random crap that only a few people will use but also forcing people to buy more units they'll actually want

dead edition, dead game

>>96069823
it's 1am tho there

You reckon GW thought this edition would be praised upon release or they knew there would be some shit storm but they didn’t care and did it to cut down on 3D party models and bits etc

>>96070024
>khan lost his bike and now lets you outflank landraiders instead? just some very smooth brain shit going on

When will you ignorant yankees get it through your heads that NO MODEL, NO RULES is what is required of you now? Fuck your shitty conversions and kitbashing, buy some models from the suits at GW and make them money and shut the fuck up.

>>96070029
>warpfire
>tainted weapons
>FUCKING CORRUPTED
all gone
it's over

>>96070014
it's funny because there were databases for even obscure small-playerbase games like A Game of Thrones 2nd edition. GW is a 50 year old company that still hasn't even caught up to basic 1990s software.

>>96070032
good point, they want to be able to say "look how heavy this is, look how many sprues there are, look how many pixels of the screen is covered by models" while simultaneously giving players as little actual VALUE as humanly possible so they'll have to buy as many things outside the box as possible.

>>96070040
preorders went live at 9pm on west coast 12pm on east. Nobody had any trouble staying awake for any the already announced preorders from GW in the last 10 years, it's just nobody wants to pay 268 for trashurnine in dead edition.

I'm going to post some models that will likely get fucked (or already did get fucked)
First, Free Goremonger into a Magos with meltagun, augury scanner, power sword, plasma pistol, and servo-arm (that lil mechandrite thingy). Might stick some more greebles on him if he isn't illegal.

>>96070056
>it's okay they gave us no weapon options, Just Just pay 15 points and give your unit those options anyway!!
>warpfire weapons and shrapnel bolters don't even have stats in HH3.0 and no point costs either

>>96070048

Probably a combination of cutting down on 3rd party models/3d prints and to fuck over SDS for making money with TOW.

>>96070048
I legitimately think they do not give two shits about how their products are received, since the money will keep flowing in regardless.

>>96070056
Corrupted is actually still around, it's just for all traitors, that's what True Believers is. Instead, the Word Bearers Apex basically gives you two "free" troops with true believers (corrupted) on top of the one troop and one command you can give it to in the primary detachment

>>96070071
GW's attitude to all non-40k games is "if we release it and they buy paper books every few months, we get fucking rich, fuck em. If they get mad and quit, they'll probably buy a new 40k army instead of leaving this abusive relationship, fuck em all! bring my champagne bottle!"

IW Armistos that I never got around to painting. I had planned to work the hazard stripes into the crux. He would've had a power fist, and was in line to get primed. The mk6 chest is a old sternguard one.

>>96070024
>khan lost his bike
This would never have happened if Fat Bloke were still alive.

>>96070056
how do you take away the army's unique weapon options? What do we even have now? What do I do with all my warpfire marines?? My warpfire moritat..... gone......

>>96069743
A whole hour after that post, they've sold just 5 taking it from 29 to 24. 5 boxes across the US in an entire hour and that's 15% not MSRP. And in last hour, they moved 1 single liber more than before. It's gone from 15 to 14.

>>96070040
Drunk people make stupid decisions. This is why I have a second Knights Renegade in my closet.

>>96070100
Who the fuck stays up to 1 am to preorder something that isn't even limited?

>>96070101
Yes drinking excessively is a stupid decision.

And last but not least, Exodus!
Although when I built him he could have been a centurion with a nemesis bolter and power dagger, or a vigilator with a power dagger too. The metal shoulder pad is from 1997 but looks so kickass.
Plan on priming tomorrow.

>>96070100
>>96070111
Jesus flying dicks, the box is $625 nzd, lol. Lmao even.

You guys keep insisting on buying recasts so tell me black legion market with the .co version. Is it safe? How is the cast quality?

>>96070125
Holy shit you got fucked, it's 530 AUD (~420 from discount stores)

>>96069743

>>96069258 (OP)
>TS, just started an AL army to prepare for the new edition
Pretty good
>TS army focused on destroyers and wacky veterans
Maybe not so good

I'm so suprised the company that's went out of its way to make the newer space marine anti-kitbashing and got rid of almost all uniqueness for the different chapters and does a shit ton of anti-consumer practices decided to fuck people over once again. Like what were people expecting a new edition to bring, it wouldn't have been anything good, not from gw of all companies.

>>96070139
This one started at 120ish so about half the stock in 3 hours if you believe their numbers

>>96070145
GapGames is one of the go-to for GW sales in Australia, they have the largest discounts on them country-wide. Quiet sad if they only sold half their numbers in 3 hours.

>>96070139
21% already and it hasnt even come out for 2 weeks, what a massive failure!
Definitely going straight to 50% off by black friday in kiwi/aussieland from that

>>96069297
DG lost their chem flamers and toxic bombs, nerf on moving and still shooting because of rule changes.

>>96070144
Well, I expected an okay game with a predatory DLC business model, but I got a shit game with a predatory DLC business model

>>96070151
The only thing I've seen sell out instantly from them recently was the kill team box and if the trend is to be believed they probably only got 5 boxes

>3.0 box selling for $330 cad
>some guy just wants the rule book and other peripherals since he plays admech
>willing to sell me the models for 260
Is it a good deal?

>>96070152
>21% already
That's stock-standard for all their products. The real issue is the 56 remaining.

>>96070168
>falling for the most obvious bait in the thread

>>96070167
no, wait a month and you'll get them for half that.

>>96070068
What’s SDS?

A little over a year ago I got into old world as a side game to help hold me over until the new edition. I never thought it would be my main and only game a year later. Hopefully they don’t fuck that up too.

>>96070074
>>96070056
what's the Malefic subtype? Zardu Layak and his Bad Naming Convention Lads have it

it's different to the Anathemata Trait

>>96070121
I have a bunch of those pads, I use them for my Headhunters. Wish some 3d print guy made something similar.

>>96070265
remember to lift with your knees, anon, you're not getting any younger

>>96070265
There's always 6th Edition WHFB, anon.

>tfw accumulated a full 2000 point unassembled Bret army about a year before Old World returned

>>96070303
I actually prefer old world to 6th after the errata rules. Plays like a mix of 6th and 8th with lots of big improvements and magic being lame.

>>96070271

>>96070265
Must suck having to play a rank and flank.

>>96070265
Old World is so hilariously dead, that not even Cathay finally releasing has generated any interest in it.

>>96070334
There’s way more games of old world in my city than HH. And it’s not close. I wish more people played HH so there would be a group of 2.0 people that weren’t moving to 3.0 and I could join them, but it’s not very popular here. Only MESBG is slower here for the full gw games.

>>96069916
>trying to prevent tournament rules lawyering
You're kidding yourself if you think rules lawyering is exclusive to tournament players. It's always been a part of tabletop gaming, and always will be.

They couldn't even bring themselves to add more than the one lord of war to the solar auxilia book

>>96069972
As a person with a similar collection, I think I can answer: hoarding and mental illness.

>>96070381
Lets see those leaks

>>96070227

Specialist Design Studio, they make the not-mainline games (TOW, Legions Imperialis, Necromunda, etc).

As far as I know, they were making Horus Heresy too.

>>96070138
I didn't realise some stores aren't offering 20%

>>96070450
In the US max discount is 15%

>>96070481
25% is the max over here in Australia.

>>96070496
Most stores here in aus are 15% off with maybe an extra 5% off during sales, gap games is a bit of an outlier with their 20% off standard

>>96070450
bro my store does 10% max and only through a loyalty program

Whilst the sky has been falling, I have been painting

>>96070521

>>96070527

>>96070527
This angle makes him look like a little child.

Nice Iron Warriors, Anon.

did the anathemata psychic powers for word bearers get leaked? I seem to be missing them though I have most of the others

I WAS THERE...

I WAS THERE WHEN JAMES SLEW THE HORUS HERESY...

>>96070540
it's a raging success. 3 hours after launch, one of the largest webstores has sold a whole 6 out of 20 traitor libers to customers across the wide span of the US.

>>96070544

>>96069310
>>96069318
Didn't DWC lose their Unique trait, making them elligible for spam? Given that they are command and the Deathwing Aux Detachment has a command slot for them (even a prime one at that) you can at least throw three units into the fray, or am I misreading it?
Oh and don't forget, the DWC lost the ability to get jump packs

>Interemptors are DOA
>Plasma repeaters are gone
>no more jumping companions
this edition is so ass

>>96070544
>why aren't people up at 3 am preordering a book that will be scanned in a week

do you guys think there will be a bigger reaction once the normies who aren't terminally online get their books? Facebook was was already flooded with hate

>>96070560
preorders started at 9pm not 3am, retard coper. GW customers are not in bed at 7pm.

>>96070564
Normies don't play HH, they play 40k.

You will never be a real game designer macca. You have no talent, you have no IP, you have no panache. You are a fat man twisted by bitterness and nostalgia into a crude mockery of Alan Bligh.

All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your discord members are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors.

Hobbyists are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed men to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even your legion rules who “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a man. Your bias is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk guy to try your homebrew, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a look at your WS chart.

You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.

Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your discord members will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a no games faggot is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably gay.

This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.

>>96070544
I will buy it just to spite you. I've seen your models, they're disgusting. You should leave the hobby and collect dragon dildos.

>>96070521
These are lovely models. Good job on the weathering.

>>96070591
Who is this? I wanna date him.

>>96070521
>>96070527
>>96070533
Looking good anon

>>96070598
He is the world's most renowned connoisseur of anglo bum. The true king of Manchester.

You know, despite how much I was hitting on them, 10 plasma TSS for 180 isn't actually too bad - against tacticals they do the same damage as a 20 man squad furying, against Terminators they do 50% more than 20 furying tacs and 25% less than 8 melta TSS (but at double the range of the latter), and against AV13 can drop a glance and a status, or just a glance vs av13. That's not bad for less than 20 tacs.

>>96069439
>So are EC dead in the water?
stubborn, inexorable, fearless, gone
You still strike first, and they die first; then they run (way more likely to happen now against elites).
With +1i spears, you strike first in a disordered charge out of rhino.
Shriekers disable reactions on a charge; kakophoni disable reactions on hit (stun).
Palatines are still in 2+ with new +1S AP3 breaching 5+ weapons with Vanguard (3). With many models losing access to AP2 weapons to fight them, Palatines can become a menace, imo.
Phoenixes are nerfed hard but still cost 200 with spears; spears are D2 on a charge. With WS6 they can potentially wreck big WS5 2w units in 3+.
Eidolons TH was nerfed, but he got one more wound (yes, 4 wounds) and one more attack on a charge (still faster than other THs on a charge).
Lucius is still a good duelist (+5 to focus roll with EC gambit and his blade), but his -S AP2 D2 blade might struggle against T5. (no more rending or fleshbane). So picking the finishing blow gambit might not be the worst idea for him.
Fulgrim got an AP2 D2 weapon. Terminators, beware!
Hereticus is kind of better than it used to be. Stupify removes and prevents statuses (i.e., you aren't attacking at i1) and gives small FnP 6+ (no more FnP from apothecaries, remember?) and +1S. No longer makes you charges disordered. Might be really good against shooters that apply statuses.

EC aren't dead; bet they lost some good stuff like -1 to hit from old shriekers, charging with +1i in a disordered charge, Eidolon's hammer, fluffy 3rd company elite sonic lance blobs, etc. Many other legions lost good stuff as well.

>>96070598
Some Malay (?) dude that went on a gay-rape spree in England (seriously).

Have we seen the vindactor or Anathemata powers?

>>96070675

>>96070690
Thank you my good sir. Meh

>>96070675
I'm not seeing vindicator stats, here's the demolisher Cannon for reference

>>96070675
Why do you even care? Hours Heresy is finished

vindy

>>96070644
yeah, range is gonna be important for most of the meta armies in 3E. RG, AL, IH snipefests. Ultramarines getting to overwatch with 2 different squads against 1 enemy is much more doable with stuff like 10 plasmas than 10 meltas. The better comparison of in-role might be 10 plasmas vs a maxed heavy disintegrator veteran squad. That one also has 24" reach and it has AP2, haven't compared the average damages.

The meltas have their place (as a pure counter to a primarch landraider deathstar) but don't reach far enough for their cost for nearly anything else.

>>96069258 (OP)
it's about to be totally replenished, 40 marines and a centurion plus $200 of rhinos, a fellblade and a contemptor all from the saturnine box.

>>96070748

Have we actually seen the Moritat yet?

Is Dorn an unkillable thing since he can't be wounded on 2/3/4 or is there any way to block a gambit and make someone unable to use it another time ?

>>96070824
It was in the mega before it got taken down.

Jump pack mandatory, options are for two supercharged volkite pistols or two supercharged plasma pistols. No melee weapons or other options.

Question: is there such a thing as a melee Moritat? Like with two cc weapons instead?

Reviews up in 13 minutes.

>>96070850
I have to say, almost all the unique WS characters and units FW released look pretty bad and stupid.

>>96070121
Looks cool as fuck, please finish him and take more pics

Even without the rules issues this new box is really fucking boring
>40 out of 49 models are tactical marines, could’ve done the breachers or an assault squad
>a turret, something people never use
The dreadnaught and terminators are fine but saturnine armour just looks ugly to me

>>96070867
Yeah and the tacs are the same five fucking poses

>>96070850
There was nothing stopping you and they had the options for it.

>>96070867
>new assault squad
>breacher upgrades
>nah lets give them a massive disintegrator upgrade sprue that no one asked for and a turret we pulled out of our ass

>>96070884
At least it is consistent with the retarded 3.0 rules

Any news on legion baneblade variants? I guess I’m outta luck with the Stormsword I was gonna to build…

>>96069258 (OP)
>TQ
No clue, probably not much. They can't lose anything if they never had anything to start with.

>>96070450
Holy shit, this cunt had a shirt made. He's responsible for driving heresy out of his own store and he thought this was a good idea

>>96070824
here he is, kinda mid desu, but what isn't in this splenda ass edition

>>96070585
TRVTH NVKE

>>96070824
>>96070840
It has a rule that lets you do volley fire at full BS and not go through with charges after the volley shots with no penalty
Pretty roundabout way of effectibmvely shooting guns 6 times...
You can charge with him if you want now

Can some legend help me out, trying to find the detachments from each consul.

>>96070891
>legion baneblade

>>96070913
Destroyers mentioned in the fluff text… I guess they aren’t gone for good then!

Hiya all! I'm thinking about taking the plunge and switching up from 40k to 30k. I'm looking for a mid-to-high A tier army to start. What would be a good faction for this? Will there be any faction specific combat patrols like 30k?

>>96070919
>trying to find the detachments from each consul.
Not a thing man. Only the dlc consul has a bespoke detachment.

>>96070916
>Shoot one unit during shooting phase with overcharged pistols
>Shoot a second unit during charge phase with overcharged pistols
That's actually kinda neat. Besides no longer having an unreliable number of shots with gets hot weapons you can now effectively split your chain fire between two units.

>>96070923
Obviously will be sold as DLC in a Journal Tactica

>>96070924
>(you) got me.
I replied.
Kys.

>>96070923
Anybody who genuinely thought that is a raging retard. We won't know what is actually gone until we got the legacies rules, just like with 2.0

do we know what aug scanner do

I waited the 3.0 to begin hh with my Imperial knight only for it to be a fucking shit show, is it still worth to get the questoris liber or did I just miss the best period of hh ?

>>96070564
The influencer circus has already started shifting from overly optimistic to early doomposting
>"The legacies pdf will probably fix this"
Is the most common cope

>>96070942
Deny shrouded saves

Anyone got the base centurion sheet please

>>96070947
A lot of people on either side are over-reacting right now. Wait until people have calmed down a few weeks after release date, see what the local HH players think (more important than what people online you'll never meet think)

>>96070884
Yeah because then you'll fucking buy the new kits as well you stupid piggies

The rat

>>96070975
the raped

>>96070975
Inb4 he's actually been leaking the whole time.

>>96070836
No, Dorn is actually among the weakest primarchs if he ever uses Bulwark. His WS is bad, strength is bad, toughness is bad, wounds are bad, initiative is bad and attacks are bad, and his weapon is bad as well if using Bulwark gambit (shred taking it to dmg3 fails against -2 dmg from Eternal Warrior 2)

Dorn only deals damage to primarchs if he does Finishing Blows striking last at S7 with shreds dealing 2 wounds instead of 1 wound to primarchs. (Though his stats still suck even then, with 5+ to hit Lion/Fulgrim who hit him on 3+ and aren't always striking last)

>>96070975
>"The game has lost a little bit of flavour"
>"we are loving it and the more we play the more we love it"
Fully sold out

>>96070982
what a colossal faggot

anyone seen the termite rules?

>>96070982
this SN guy could suck the chrome off a trailer hitch. Brb blocking his channel on youtube using blocktube.

95% of the fluff in the new core book is copypasted verbatim from the previous one. The 5% comprises stuff like a couple new pages for Saturnine armor and another couple pages added to the end of the timeline section for some of the famous engagements from the Siege of Terra. I'd have hoped there would be more to talk about in this respect since the crunch just gets people angry.

>>96070982
But the Benjamin guy is the retard in this case.

>>96070975
>"This is a very very different game to what you guys are used to"
>"Slow start to games"
>"new elements slow the game down so much it negates the streamlining elsewhere"

>>96071009
It's the internet, people only care about what makes them angry. There would only ever be talk about any lore additions or changes if there were some retcons or something that they could get upset about.

>>96070982
And there he is, Scott Graham "Lackie" Leckie with the steel chair outta nowhere. They say Pardo lets him sit next to himself when the boys run a train on Pardo's wife.

>>96070896
>another sos player
I think it's a 33/33/33 that Sisters stay their own thing, their units end up absorbed into the studodes list or they go back to being the cheap troops for stodes.

One upside of people sticking with 2.0 instead of switching to 3.0 is that I'll still be able to play with these ladies properly.

>>96070975
>>96070995
A channel I watch quit doing GW-related content, Janovich, he was talking about how other channels are signing contracts prohibiting with GW that stops them from serious criticism in return for not being randomly DMCA struck by GW and receiving products for early review. He refused to go along with the concept so he decided to abandon the GW content he had in his pipeline, after he wraps up his Vraks stuff anyway.

>>96070975
Re. Loadouts
>"it's very bad"
>"I am crying as well"
The Raped

>>96071020

>>96070966
printfags were right all along.

I wouldn't be nearly as annoyed if I paid 150€ instead of 3500€

>>96070975
PLASMA BOMBARD PARDOS HOUSE

>>96071033
That sword is gonna snap right above the handle before it even leaves the curing chamber

I caved and bought the new set

>>96070867
>boring
Its a starter set

>>96071033
It's hard to imagine paying $160+ for an ugly miscast forgeworld resin primarch and it being like shitty Rogan Dorn in HH3.0, that'd hurt deep. I got prints or recasts of the primarchs between $15-40 each from multiple sources so if one of my primarchs sucks I'll just set him on the shelf and switch, no biggie when they cost as much as a regular primaris lieutenant.

>>96071042
the models are ugly and you have nobody to play with AND you are broke with no future.

>>96071042
Oink oink

>>96071042
You'll be far from the only person to do so.

>>96071065
>>96071059
>>96071052
I just want the mkiis and the centurion and distingrators. Dreadnouhts being unplayable makes and reactions being nerfed are enough for 3.0 to be better than 2.0. Admiedly i didn't lose out on any models so I'm not angry about thay

>>96071023
I'm personally betting they don't get anything alongside the Custodes, their rules get a few cuts but otherwise is left with a whole lot of rules for units that don't exist. WarCom gives a vague "sisters are coming later", and they finally get a few kits at the end of 3rd.

>>96070964
I wanted to make a raven guard army after getting the 3000 point with my ik, I hope it's not that bad

>>96071065
>shills trying to play pretend to trick people into wasting 268 on trash
Nobody is buying this shit. 360 minutes from launch they still got 15 they cant even sell at -15% and selling to the biggest whale country. You aren't peer pressuring anyone to buy this garbage.

>>96071083
Don't forget about Brutal being gone. That rule alone makes 2.0 not worth playing.

>>96071065
I'm gonna buy it just so you stay buck broken

Can an almighty leaker show me some termite rules

I haven't touched or looked anything warhammer related in over a month. Guessing this new edition sucks balls?

>>96071106
they're guaranteed to suck. Deepstrike sucks, drop pods suck, the dreadnought and other drop pod suck too, and the kharidbyss assault claw or whatever sucks too. The termite drill will be no different, probably even suckier.

>>96071108
I'm sure /hhg/ going from struggling to be on the catalog to multiple generals with 1k+ posts must have tipped you off.

>>96071108
Dead on arrival as everyone's existing armies are now illegal

>>96071108
The actual game seems fine and better than 2.0 in a lot of ways, the issues are everything they gutted from the army lists, awkward rule writings and some stuff being nerfed into the ground. If you are just starting its not that bad desu

>>96071108
Yeah, it's the worst one yet. Read the leaked rulebook if you want to lose faith in humanity. It uses 100 words to say a 10 word rule.
Also the game lasts 4 turns and is worse than a fan-made game made in 15 minutes.

>>96071009
Holy shit

>>96071108
Nah, it's fine, just going through the customary doomertism.

Anons, any idea what Slow and Purposeful does ? Thanks!

>>96071009
Why is that an issue? The fluff hasn't changed so why would it need new stuff?

>>96071141
they want $70 just for copy-pasted text that was already read before and 0/10 quality AI-generated rule text. Gw can go fuck themselves.

all the early shill reviews are dropping, drink up your slop piggies

>>96071141
You're right it's probably just best to buy whatever they tell you to buy

>>96071009
That would be fucking hilarious if it's true.

>>96071093

>>96071041
Only if you use subpar normie resins

>>96071020
Okay, try this. Remember that phrasing of how the "hormonal balance" or whatever of young boys made them ideal for turning them into astartes? That text box is still there, but that specific phrasing was removed.

>>96071114
same thing happened when skaventide was being shown off. Lots of discussion then 10 minutes after the marketing push waned, 95% of people realized they really didn't care to play the new edition. We're in the interesting-trainwreck phase, the trainwreck stops being interesting once the mysteries are all solved and it's just lying there stationary.

None of the influencers are showing off the journal tactica.

>>96071167
40% is mental
There's almost no margin
Just trying avoid carrying dead stock?

Wish i could get mad with you guys, but i just don't care that much about rules, only really the models and the rules are just an excuse to play with them, most of the time I just play by myself anyway, so even if the game dies its nbd to me

>>96071187
>showing off the journal tactica.
Why would they? It's 3 datasheets.

>>96070913

Losing the Disintigrator option is kind of dissappointing.... wait, don't GW make a version of this model with Bolt Pistols as well? Sure... nobody took him but the model was cool.

I bought the box and the liber hereticus. I hope it does well in Europe and flops in the US like TOW. Americans are a cancer to the hobby and should stay in their containment games.

>my LGS that normally has a cap on two boxes per customer for pre-order has increased their cap to four
It's so over.

>>96071202
afaik no
much like the atomantic pavise for the hh1 deredeo, the bolt pistol moritat was previewed and then not released

>>96071189
>>96071208
The writing is on the wall

>>96071208
It's not limited so why would they care?

>>96071213

They never actually released that? Damn that looks cool as fuck. Hey here's an idea, what if they brought back destroyers and the bolt-pistol option for Mori's and they all now had the Seekers Shot-Selector rule?

https://youtu.be/D32EyZDf6Og

>>96071221
Yeah and what if they release a day 1 Errata that allows us to take all the weapon options from 2nd edition

>>96071217
You don't get it. Nearly every single "big" box has sold out immediately in my entire country. This one, and technically Skaventide (sold out immediately, but a second round was put up a bit later and was sold at a discount due to large amounts of stock) are the deviation from the norm.

fags, have we seen sabres

>>96071217
Nta but even without people buying every copy to resell there are a lot of stores (not just for warhammer) that do that to ensure that everyone that's interested gets at least a box. HH has had problems with keeping things in stock too so there is that too.

Gw could satisfy 2/3rds of the unhappy people with a pdf that says consuls can take two options from the officer list, bikes and jumppacks

>>96071228

Eh, they had all of 2nd edition to do that I guess, they're unlikely to start making good decisions now.

>>96071236
I don't think you get it but it's alright.

>>96071239
Most of the complaints i see are about war gear options tbf

>>96071093
What site is this?

>>96071236
There was 0 reason to cut as deeply and brutally as they have

Should ultramarine disintigrator vets be painted in Nemisis colours since they are basically destroyer vets?

>>96069919
You all are seething, but at the end of the day, 90% of Horus Heresy paypiggies will just buy the new products and play 3.0

>>96071263
Not unless they're from the 22nd Chapter.

>>96071265
I don't think so. Oh people will buy the new box, absolutely, but only a small minority of those buyers will actually bother with playing a game, especially since the influencers they follow will tell that it's so over. The growing majority of Warhammer fans are now just collectors and painters - the game playing minority is always shrinking.

>>96071273
Well said, Anon-kun. The >nogames plague cannot be stopped

Dark Angel Doomposter here

Where the fuck is the synergy in the list building? The legion trait is not a force multiplier in any sense. The aux detachments do NOTHING. I've started looking at veteran assault squads but even then only the Sgt can take a legion sword, and the others are essentially fucking mooks compared to the exact same unit from any other legion. I'm trying to make it work but there's fucking nothing left to work with. We get a bonus for using swords in duels? Great. Once per game my generic praetor with obligatory Terranic Greatsword might make use of that "Rite of War"

>>96071269
But all ultra destroyers are from the 22nd chapter and only the 22nd gets warcrime weapons, meaning that all disintigrator vets would be atttched from the 22nd

any solar auxilia leaks yet?

have we seen all the consults yet faggots?

>>96071295
Dafuq? No. Nemesis were arguably THE destroyer UM chapter but definitely not the only chapter to have destroyers.

>>96071295
>But all ultra destroyers are from the 22nd

Source

3 Billions worlds
15 Quadrillons beings just on SOL.

Source.

Uh...can I get the rundown for all the Legio's tacticaes?

>>96071308
Oh if they weren't thats fine, i just remember reading that they were but that was years ago

>>96071311
Paint as /yorududes/ and be immune to rules.

There's your tactica.

>>96071310
Idk, i just remeber reading once that the 22nd "contained the ultras detroyer elements" which impied only they have them

>assemblies of wargear for HQs that were legal in 2.0 rendered invalid/illegal
>put-together fucking models in a pseudo-historical wargame that in the context, factually existed, effectively squatted
not even going to download the pdfs

>>96069401
That is literally what people used to do, and why so many of us had massive bits boxes with the leftovers.

Saying that, back when most things were metal, you’d be able to order individual parts pretty easily for kitbashes, which is basically the same as you can do today with bits sellers on eBay.

>>96071293
So much has been lost...

>>96071311
These guys are cool, somewhat optimistic but clear with their criticisms and disappointments

>>96071273
Exactly as GW wants it to be. The day they have to stop making games will be a glorious day for James.

>>96071111
checked

Whats a good loadout to give a cantankerous old sergant leading a squad of newbies? I was thinking a maul and bolt pistol

>>96069945
Well, not in the libers obviously, but if we assume the liber entries need/want a kit, that tracks.
Legacies is the obvious answer, but how many make it remains to be seen. Crucially, Atramentar are now a prime slot upgrade for Night Lords, which implies they might not be back as a unit (or that 3.0 is going to get more bloated and confusing). and with about a third of the EB dudes being destroyers, who might not real, we'll have to wait and see.

>>96070930
It wasn't until I played SW Legion in a recreation of Mos Eisley that I realized how bad Warhammer's two-story foundation and single shrub forest tables truly were

>>96069962
wait 'til they see the IF reaction lets you shoot yourself.

>>96071106
termites are low key good, they come with a blast melta that's rare and its on a transport that's deepstriking in a shitty 4 turn edition

>>96069972
If I waited 'til I was ready to work on half the stuff I have in my pile, I wouldn't have been able to buy it because GW's discontinued it.
My pile of shame is more like a museum.

>>96071329
> Listening to ANY British content creators
Lol. They are all bought and paid for by GW. They just repeat the GW party line

>>96071356
Bullshit, you schizo retard

>The heaviest and by far the most technologically refined of the various classes of Tactical Dreadnought Armour utilised by the Imperium, Saturnine Siege-Terminator armour entered service in its original form in the closing days of the Unification Wars, before even, so it is said, the union between Terra and Mars. Its origins remain shrouded in mystery, with some claiming it to be the fruit of an ancient Martian sub-sect banished by the Lords of Mars to the ninth moon of Saturn during the Age of Strife. Certainly, this moon remains forbidden to all but the highest ranked of the Imperial Household and has been linked not only to Saturnine armour, but to a range of other technological marvels not normally associated with the forges of the Red Planet.

>Refined and improved versions of Saturnine armour saw service during the earliest days of the Great Crusade, equipping the finest warriors of the nascent Legions. As the Legions expanded in size, however, demand very quickly outstripped demand and it was superseded by other patterns of Terminator armour, first Cataphractii, then Tartaros, patterns that could be manufactured an order of magnitude greater than was possible with Saturnine.

>And so, as the Great Crusade ground ever outwards from Terra, Saturnine armour receded into dim and distant memory. Like the twenty Terra ‘grey legions’ and the Thunder Warrior Legions that preceded them, it became a relic of a former age, not forgotten by any means, but not of the new order the Imperium was building.

>But one individual refused to consign the mark to history. Vulkan, Primarch of the XVIIIᵗʰ Legion, the master artificer and craftsman, sought to unlock the secrets of this most potent of marks so as to be able to produce it in Legion forges, and in such numbers that it would reclaim its rightful place in the armouries of the Imperium.

>>96071364
>And so it was that even as the Warmaster's heart was turned to treachery, Vulkan finally attained his goal. ever noble and generous of spirit, the Primarch of the Salamanders gifted his brothers with the fruits of his labour, disseminating to each of them the secrets of manufacturing his masterwork in Legion forges. Even as the Warmaster's treachery was revealed at Isstvan III, ever Legion received Vulkan's gift, and so by the very eve of the Isstvan V massacre, this most powerful of weapons was already in the hands of the Traitors.

>It must stand as but one tragedy amongst countless others that the first occasion on which Vulkan's endowment went to war was at Isstvan V, where a small cade of the Primarch's elite was equipped with those few suits that were ready in time to join the Retribution fleet. Though it would take several years to fully disseminate and gain acceptance within the Legions, by the middle of the Age of Darkness every one of the Legiones Astartes, whether loyal to the Emperor or his turncoat son, would field this armour, brother shedding the blood of brother on battlefields as far apart as Terra and Ultramar.

>>96070975
>>96071225
What a slimy fuck.

>>96071367
>Saturnine armour incorporated the Saturnine Aquila proudly upon its breastplate, linking the Saturnine tech-enclaves to the Imperium.

>Teleport synchronisers set into the broad pauldrons of Saturnine pattern plate link to the teleportation transponders carried by senior officers, enabling those wearing this plate to be teleported to the battlefield.

>Having witnessed first-hand at Isstvan V the sheer power of Saturnine Siege-Terminator armour Perturabo, Primarch of the IVᵗʰ Legion, was quick to adopt it into his own ranks. By the height of the Siege of Inwit in 012.M31, the Iron Warriors were able to field an entire heavy assault company equipped with the pattern, and many of these warriors participated in some of the most bitter engagements of the Siege of Terra, where they fought at Lion's Gate, Gorgon Bar and, appropriately, the Saturnine Wall.

>eater chainaxe tacticals removed
lol
2.0 forever and ever

>>96071362
He's in no way a schizo or a retard you corpo cocksucker

>>96071090
If you like sniping, you're fine.
If you liked deep-striking lightning claw jump infantry, fuck you.

The new edition isn't about punishing kitbashed minis or even biking paypigs. They're trying to strangle demand for printers/casters. Priority number one is eliminating competition.

What they should actually do is slash margins so people buy twice as many plastic kits and focus on making rule books so good everyone buys all of them.

>>96071397
bilking*
fuck

>>96070975
>>96070982
What a childish cunt.

>>96071373
>>Saturnine armour incorporated the Saturnine Aquila proudly upon its breastplate, linking the Saturnine tech-enclaves to the Imperium.
Well, now Mk VII "Aquila" Armour is a pale imitation. Nice.

>>96071042
You're a paypiggy now Lisa-poster.

>>96071415
>Now

>>96071293
Tips would be appreciated, I'm deep in a doom spiral

Well, at the end of the day, I stopped dooming after me and my friends saw how much of a shitfest libers are and made a simply decision to port as many things as possible from 3.0 core rules and just use 2.0 libers and legacies etc
No point in crying over it afterwards desu

>>96071373
>Perty adopts the suits to use in sieges after the massacre
>proceeds to lose every siege he uses them in
Classic Perty.

>>96071397
pretty fucking obscene

>>96071293
>>96071422
3.0 is the doom. 1.0 or 2.0 are the answer.

>>96071397
Don't make me invoke lord Gaben

Just ordered the Liber Auxilia because I know for a fact no one cares enough about them to upload a single datasheet before release day so I'm gonna have to do it myself. Thank god I don't also play knights.

>>96071435
piracy is literally a distribution problem

>>96071435
this, unironically. the Steam business model would be more profitable for them, and they wouldn't burn through goodwill.

>>96071444
They will be the strongest army

>>96071445
It's a service problem. If I think about the bits I've printed over the past few years:
- Some customised legion torsos
- One-handed guns
- alternate lightning claws for terminators (something they do provide, but the bodies I stick 'em on mean I buy the same kit either way)
- sheathed chainswords (a while before the melee weapons kit finally dropped)
- Old-style beakie heads
- some old-style indomitous bits.

Most of that I would much prefer to buy from GW, but they either intentionally stopped selling it or have redesigned it to the point where I have no interest. fucking up the game won't force me to buy nu-slop, it'll just mean they don't get my money for new rulebooks.

>>96071450
>>96071444
Wonder how good artillery spam will be with the new statuses.

>>96071397
Kitbashing is a form of competition if you can make a 60-quid figure out of spare parts in stuff you already bought.

>>96071459
Marine artillery doesn't give statuses so idk if aux will

>>96071397
>>96071447
They aren't anywhere near competent enough to do that.

>>96071450
If nothing else the new Liber Auxilia is probably better than than the old Liber we had to share with Talons and Assassin's.

Apparently we have received rules for all the legiones auxilia, would be interesting if we could play legiones auxilia as an independent army and not an ally faction for space marines.

>>96071196
Oof. No Morlocks. Literally the best book to put them in but oh no.

My FLGS owner just sold me Saturnine, Liber Hereticus and the Isstvan campaign book early.

Is there anything anyone wants to see that hasn't been posted?

>>96071483
No models = no rules
Didn't you learn from libers?

>>96071483
They will be in legacies I hope
With no combi bolters

>>96071491
Post the units from the journal

>>96071491
Eww, no

So, uh
Is anyone going to make rules for Saturnine terminators/dreadnoughts for 1.0/2.0?

>>96071497
The other two have already been posted, so here's the command squad.

>>96071468
This is retarded and you should feel bad. Kitbashing enhances the value of your kits, driving more sales.

Melee options in HH sell more
>AoS
>Deathwatch veterans
>GK strike squads
And on and on

If they see some caster selling shit loads of bits, just make the same kit in plastic (which everyone would prefer).

If the printers are making bits that are better designed than GW studios, poach the talent. Hire them. Let them cook for you.

>>96071491
please post the campaign book stuff to mega or something, I don't think anyone has seen it

>>96071491
Kratos please chief, want to see if flare shields have been gutted

Can someone share the Night Lords Armoury page? I don't think I have seen the Sevetar page yet either

>>96071503
These seems fairly good. 80p to get rhe UM legion trait is nice even if it's on an Int check

>>96071511
not the FLGS guy, here's the Kratos before I go to sleep. it looks ok, melta still king

>>96071491
Did we get to see apothecaries and techmarines yet?

>>96071522
Melta(24) is pretty good
Do coaxial guns do anything now? Since there's no rerolls

>>96071524
apothecaries are really bad, their rules are like 4 paragraphs and the TLDR is that its a save only against shooting attacks and it requires a reaction. consume

>>96071538
they have this too I guess

>>96071510
There honestly isn't that much. The book is 48 pages, less than ten are rules.

One mission, 3 units, rules for battlefield assets like mines and a Prime advantage.

>>96071511
Other poster got the Kratos.

>>96071046
>starter boxes have to be shit
Holy cope even the previous edition had a better starter box. 40K has had this on lock for years if they didn’t make it FOMO

>>96071517

>>96071546
indomitus was better

>>96071545
thanks man... is the mission just as lame as the ones in the core book?

Goonhammer just started posting about the new edition and the Libers within.

We've already seen almost all of the legiones rules at this point but if you play other armies you can get some crumbs there. Auxilia apparently have a gambit that let's them shoot their pistol instead of using a melee weapon and the Basilisk is still completely useless.

The mechanicum are playing with a bunch of different subfactions at the same time so the army plays like some abomination made out of allied detachments. Each subfaction has their own buffs you need to independently track.

Also automata are completely immune to statuses and never rout apparently.

>>96071545
That's pretty piss poor

>>96071554
You're welcome dude.

It doesn't look particularly interesting to me, and feels pretty underbaked for what it's supposed to represent.

>>96071546
I never said shit, They don't need exciting crazy models that don't belong in small games like talks, dreads vets etc, they need a good base line set of troops that all armys need, they are suposed to be sn intro to the game and a base for an army.

speaking of starter sets, does anyone know how many points are in leviathan now that we have most of the datasheets from it?

>>96071572
saturnine* not leviathan

Also, I just noticed the Master of Descent has a 12 inch move, his lore blurb at the top mentions a jump pack, but he doesn't have a jump pack in his Wargear list, lol.

This book is a very cheap paperback m, by the way. It's pretty low quality.

>>96071397
>slash margins so people buy twice as many plastic kits
You fail to appreciate that GW can barely produce product in quantities sufficient to meet demand. See all the people complaining about so and so random kit being out of stock for the last few years.
They are not willing to make the scale of investment required to increase production, thus the best way to increase profits is to extract more money via fewer sales.

>>96071579
That's what jump pack units look like now. 12 inch move and anti-grav. Not sure what the designers thought they were gaining by this retardation

>>96071579
>very cheap paperback
Tbf i would prefer that over the hardback style the rulebook and libers are done in

Does anyone have the Tartaros Data sheet I can't seem to find it, same for the table of contents for the loyalists?

cheers :)

What causes a disordered charge and what does it do now?

>>96071612

>>96071617
>tartaros terminator entry
>couldn't even be fucked to put a photo of them beneath

>>96071587
They are incapable of stopping 3rd parties from capitalizing on unmet demand. Unwillingness to expand manufacturing capacity is ceding profits to others, not maximizing profit for GW.

And anon, the stock issues are primarily resin. If casters/printers have innovated to meet demand, GW should copy or co-opt them.

>>96071625
buy saturnines goy

>>96071617
ta babes, thank you :) is there a more high res version?

either way cheers :)

>>96071632
i did tho in the form of a $30 bottle of photopolymer ;3

Anyone know what the anti grav rule does outside of no cover/ignore cover? Can I put an anti grav unit in a transport? I.e. can I put a Moritat in a land raider?

>>96071587
Its not entirely a matter of willingness. The energy grid of Nottinghamshire cannot supply GWs ambitions for expansion because England is a 3rd world country where the guys who run the power plants and the guys who run the power lines are completely different people.

People who still run the same ancient infrastructure they bought off of Maggy and who haven't needed to manage supplying industry ever.

GW would have to pay out of pocket to upgrade existing infrastructure, build and operate their own powerplant or outsource production somewhere else.

And they refuse to outsource any more of their production.

>>96071572
Saturnine Terminators +Praetor + Dreadnought is about 1000. 20 tactical adds about 200-300 depending on how many upgrades you give them. Centurion probably about 100 depending on wargear, Veteran squads probably a couple hundred each (again, depending on wargear).

Probably about 2000 points overall.

>>96071643
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kALphoucei8&t=600s

You can get 2k points if his maths is correct

>>96071641
If they outsourced to China, Aliexpress would be flooded with plastic copies within the week

>>96071538
I heard they can reduce the incoming damage by 1 to a minimum of 0
Isn't that really good? Even if it's just at range

>>96071614
>What causes
disembarking fron non assault vehicle
any status
i don't remember about terrain

>what does it do now?
no set up move or volley
no bonuses from special rules
no manifesting powers

>>96071641
Why are you schizoing out about power plants?

>>96071669
NTA but GW cant build another factory due to the power draw, the power grid needs to be updated first

>>96071236
I think that would be more like 90% of people
You will always have retards that insist pdfs are not legal rules

>>96071669
Because I fucking hate the power company, especially the distributors. They're useless rent seeking parasites.

>>96071033
And you can also print at TrueScale.

>>96071560
Thanks, Over on the Discord we've mostly been going off images on the preorder at that time it was just the NZ one.
Some units are gone from the liber like companion sections and Cyclops, hopefully there will be a legacies pdf though I get that's a universal prayer not just an SA one.

>>96071641
Ngl, for all the flaws GW has, it's a bit impressive that they managed to grow so much the infrastructure of the fucking town needs to be upgraded to follow suit.

>>96069796
still too high, Betrayal at Calth was 180 EUR

Do IF termies still get shields?

>>96071684
Din't even have to be like a legends things, make them a full on errata of the libers

can anyone help a brother out with the standard prateor and centurion sheets

>>96071701
Yes, but they are 4++ and give Shielded

>>96071641
There is no reason they couldn't build one in the US midwest, which would also simplify logistics and distribution.

>>96071667
I wish you had written the rulebooks

>>96071713
prvioust thread ctrl+f litter

>>96071685
>100% true
This post fact checked by true Fourth Legion patriots.

>>96071698
2015 currency was worth more
to reqd about it, google: warhammer 40k inflation porn

Please can someone post the space wolf psychic powers. I need to see how much to cry. A little or a lot.

>>96071397
Transport rukes? I don't thinj we've seen if those have changed. There's no different speeds on vehicles now

>>96071724

>>96071694
GW hit the FTSE 100 recently, if 3D printing never goes Mainstream they'll Samsung England at the rate they're growing.

Wouldn't that be funny.

>>96071724
plot twist: it's Macca posting again

>>96071397
Can you post the marine advanced reactions?

kneel, grovel, and beg for her to never go away

>>96071295
Disintegrators are not warcrime weapons
They are not even that rare anymore

30k basic starter set (£65)
>Generic officer with options
>Twenty five mkiv bodies (Tenty tacticals, five suport marines)
>one special weapons sprue
>one melle weapons sprue to upgrade sargants
>A4 paperback rule book
>dice
>card status markers
Expansion set
>Generic terminator character
>five more mkiv bodies (hss squad)
>Ten assault marines
>Rhino
>Contemptor dreadnought
>Heavy weapons sprue (Missile and HB)

>arlatax gone
>certain units have specific technoarcanas
>castellax with special weapons are a different slot to normal castellax

for fucks sake

are at least 2.0 rule books on 50% discount or so? Because the new stuff is on the horizon?

>>96071784
get what you want before they're scarce and allocated and sought after
gw stopped selling them outright a little while ago now

>>96071698
>>96071730
actually, it is quite close...

>>96071784
Old stuff is sold full price until the new stuff comes out. Then it's destroyed

>>96071841
dear shills, how does this maximize profits?

>>96071565
yo, can you post the battlefield assets section (p 40) and interdiction cadres (p 48)? thanks

Might be blind, but does anyone have the tartaros command squad rules?

>>96071856
Clears stock space for more valuable products.

>>96071822
>>96071730
>>96071698


>>96071167

>>96071864
like the saturnine boxes already being slopped off at discount before release?

>>96071718
The US is too unstable of a regime to be a valid site for a factory.

>>96071890
Yes, like products for the new edition.
It all comes down to stock rotation.
Don't all boxes come out at a discount anyway?

>>96071890
You mean the standard discounts 3rd party stores apply to all gw stugg?

>>96071491
AdMech. Almost none of that is posted.

>>96071914
>Don't all boxes come out at a discount anyway?
Yes, but retard-kun has decided that means it's not selling at all in this particular case

>>96071920
And you think that's going to be in the Hereticus book?

>>96071864
I posted the interdiction cadre earlier.

He's page 1 of BF assets

>>96071935
Page 2
Page 2

>>96071920
Don't have that book, only the core, Hereticus and campaign

>>96071941
Anon, can you confirm that everyone is allowed to shoot and charge, and that you don't have to charge who you shot at anymore? Also anything we haven't seen yet about LOS?

>>96071935
>>96071941
a whole bunch of this stuff is going to be great for backporting into 2.0
this shit is going to become so wildly house-rules-centric and bombastic and fucking awesome and free from gw
we have won
absofuckinglutely

>>96071749
>Mark VI
Get out you dirty whore.

>>96071958
hold your insulting tongue tho, brother

https://web.archive.org/web/20250712132950/https://www.goonhammer.com/horus-heresy-third-edition-gameplay-changes-for-veterans-of-the-long-war/

is this what peak-shilldom looks like?

>>96071167
>>96071189
I'm french, it's fake, it's 20%. That faggot edited it.
Though, when 2.0 released it was already sold out by 12.00 am.

>Fake edgy legion
Dark Angels
>Real edgy legion
Night Lords

Is this accurate

>>96071954
I can't see any of those restrictions, but I only skimmed it.

>>96072015
Dark Angels are edgy?

>>96072015
Dark Angels have been castrated this edition

>>96069445
>I thought you HH players didn't care about power levels, just playing /yourdudes/?
Well playing /yourdudes/ has just been taken out back and shot by GW this edition and they want HH to be a competitive FOTM game like 40k is so...

>>96072050
They wear edgeboi colors of black and red

>>96072062
So do Ebon Keshig plus there all moody

>>96072015
Dark Angels are real edgy.
Night Lords are performative edgy.

i will allow falax blades to merely be 5+ rending because i am kind and beneficent

>>96072015
Night lords are "edgy" in the theater kid sense. They shop at Hot Topic and cringepost online about their dark and twisted personality.

>>96072015
it's literally the opposite

Can't seem to find WE rampagers. How'd they do with the transition?

>>96071669
He's not wrong, the UK is a dystopian bureaucracy and government nightmare akin to 1984, just way dumber.

>>96071941
These are things that i havent seen (looked into the defunct mega, the literbox and the imgurs), thanks if u can post anything!:

- Praetorian cmnd with jum packs (pg. 46)
- Centurion cmd (pg. 47)
- Cataphractii terminator cmd (pg. 49)
- techmarine (pg. 69), I think it was posted but didn't save.
- contemptor dread (pg. 73)
- rhino (pg. 79)
- Land raider (pg. 83)
- Dreadnought drop pod (pg. 85)
- recon squad (pg. 89)
- sabre (pg. 90)
- Wargear pages 333 and 334 (I want to know what the fucking nuncio vox does).
- And from page 334 there are marines advanced reactions, dunno what they are.

>>96072015
dark angels are the gay edgy

Are night lords looking any good so far? They were pretty bad last edition

>>96072167
They weren't bad rules wise,only their unique equipment and units sucked and it hasn't changed, except headsman's axe became less niche and lost chainblades

>>96072116
No jump packs available
No abilities on Falax, just +2A
Meteor Hammers look sick, Barb lashes look good too
+1S on charge

No other units can take Caedere weapons

>>96072133
Hey anon, NTA but I've got centurion command, would you happen to have Tacticals and HSS

does anyone have the weapon stat pages?
unless they've already been posted, if so direct me

>>96072201
Tacticals

I did a search, seems we don't have the journal augury squad yet?

>>96072201
and HSS

Thanks for the centurion cmd!

Have we got any Questoris leaks?

It seems like every sloptuber including my buddy Rob likes HH 2025 edition yet everyone here hates. Why?

>>96072224
Posted earlier >>96071503
>>96072221
Danke!

>>96072231
Oh actually anon, can I get your wargear pages as well

>>96070995
What a cop out answer. I'm sure the game is fun, it's the fucking gutting that kills it.

>>96071311
Even the QRD is too long since each tactica is 4 things (special power, gambit, detachment, reaction)

>>96071503
Wow it's fucking nothing
Although at least you can slap servoskulls on beakies and have one ready to go

>>96072201
I feel like these guys should be BS5 as well.
They are pretty much a mix of the veteran units otherwise
They are looking pretty good. They are melee centric now. Last edition rule was great, what are you talking about

How y'all enjoying Age of the Emperor?

>>96072133
FLGS Anon here.

Cataphractii Command

>>96072201
>centurion command squad
>predator tank graphic

>>96071565
SOVLLESS

>>96072133
Contemptor

>>96072272
>I'm sure the game is fun
The game seems like it was designed by someone who got mostly tabled by Day of Revelation, then lost his Primarch in a duel.

>>96072236
We've got nothing from Questoris or Auxilia and only crumbs from Mechanicum. The legions leaked immediately because they are the ones that got sent out the most it seems.

>>96072133
Marine reactions

>>96072133
Wargear. I posted this but it didn't appear.

>>96071935
>>96071941
I really like these

>>96072256
Here is the first page and

>>96072353
here are page 2 and 3, thanks!!!!

>>96072241
>hmmm everyone who is passionate about and actually engages with the hobby I like doesn't like thing
>but the faggot influencers who regularly receive product early and free does like thing

Could someone post the rules for Praetorian command squad?

mechanid won

>>96072250
Gracias. They seem good

>>96072384
here u go

>>96072397
You sir are a hero.

>>96071941
Forward ammo drop looks really fucking good for seekers

>>96072397
Can I get tartaros command squads, and maybe also a a more clear normal Tartaros Pic? Thank you amon

>>96070521
>>96070527
>>96070533
>Local Iron Warrior so bitter additional bitterness doesn't phase him

Iron Warriors have basically no need for Apothecaries now?

>>96072241
Rob is trying to launch a new YouTube channel, and he needs new players excited about the game to grab an audience.

>>96072346
Dang, Medic is -1D to 0 per dude. Shieldwall is ok. Smokescreen standard shroud, RG smoke screens outside 18 cant be countered by scanners because it snap shots. makes recon marines way better.

>Saturnine Siege-Terminators
>no relation to Leviathan Siege Dreadnought
Makes no sense.

>>96072306
Any idea what greande harness do?
We havent gotten the wargear section in general I think

>>96069310
>but intemptors are DOA.
Stick them in a drop pod and have fun. Also the new missiles are pretty good.

>>96069342
You can take a retinue per deathwing detachment. Prime slot too iirc.

>>96071364
>demand very quickly outstripped demand

>>96072241
>You are legally bound to tell others you enjoy it

>>96072318
>4A, 150p
These guys are still going to rape most things in melee

>>96072419
They still need them to collect geneseed after the battle, not on the field tho no. Pert doesn't want to waste resources on medical treatment for dead men walking.

>>96072306
>>96072318
Thanks!!!

>>96072402
>>96072406
I'm just reposting shit already posted, only have the shitty tartaros pic, FLG anon is the hero posting the missing shit.

>>96071491
If you're still on the thread, DG and SoH auxiliary detachments please. Starting an astartes army after collecting some mechanicum and still need to decide a legion

Can someone explain to me why GW just make a lot of equipment and load outs illegal? What's the point? Balance?

>>96072446
>WS 4
No they are not.

>>96072346
Thank you!

>>96072450
NTA But here

>>96072459
>NL are WS 5 if attacking a unit with status

>>96072457
Oops time to re-buy your armies to make sure they're legal this edition

>>96072457
Doesn't come in the box and James has been on that warpath for the better part of a decade

>>96072479
how easy is it to put status effects on things in this ed?

>>96072457
40k policy is now in effect for 30k. With a few exceptions all units is army books in print for cost has to have store page or store upgrade kit. There are caveats like new kits forthcoming, keeping store special models legal, got lucky, etc. But 98%+ will be 1:1 with an SKU. Journals are another exception as they aren't an army book. Same with PDFs.

>>96072494
Depends on the weapons, it's very easy to get a unit rolling on ld5 or Cl5 for night lords, since the heavier status weapons can get -3 modifiers and get fear stacked on top, so even units with cl9 start getting spooked

>>96072494
I like my odds

>>96072479
Grav guns are good for applying status effects. Worth considering.

>>96072494
Not trivial, theres no telepathy librarian from 2.0 to just point at something and pin it. But eminently doable. A 40pts rapier has suppressive(2), add a unit with fear nearby (like the unit that wants to charge maybe) and thats the enemy testing at cool -3, and considering even elites are like cool(8) a lot of the time? You have a very solid chance of getting it off.

Phospex is panic(3) also, you can make a primarch like the lion test against cool(6).

This will be the edition where we see Nullificators make a comeback in style.

>>96072419
Apothecaries give the medic reaction. --1D to unsaved wounds to minimum of 0

>>96072397
Can you share the Xiphon please?

>>96072532
NTA

Why do traitor legions not have their own variants of breacher squads? Immortals and so on are all loyalistkeks.

>>96071965

Even Reddit was calling them out for that. EVEN REDDIT. Like, this is a disaster. I don't think they even did a final proofreading pass on these Libers. Last time they put out an edition this bad it was Blood Bowl and it was still better than this, and they did the final stages of that one during a fucking Pandemic.

>>96072457
They decided that the libers should just be shit you’re actually able to buy(+ a few genuine fuck ups in the codex). Same sperg out happened at 2.0 launch, wait till legacies to come out before bitching about loadouts

>>96072539
Loyalty is its own reward.

>>96072479
>unit with status
>They can take gravguns

>>96072539
because several editions ago in 40k it was decided that marines get storm shields while traitors do not
since then it has been a long standing tradition to never give traitors any shields

>>96072494
for 10+ you can give fear(1) to a command or champion unit.

flamers force panic(1) checks if you score a wound, at 12" you also trigger fear(1) if close, so its a ld -2 test.

Seekers can make kraken shots at supressive (2), etc etc.

It's not a 100% sure thing but there are things to get it done, also nemesis bolters, etc.

>>96072346
>Legiones astartes advanced reaction
These all sound like generic reactions...
SA have medics, mecanicum has shield guys, smoke launchers are on most vehicles...

>>96072544
You say that but it clearly has other perks besides.

>>96072537
Cheers man - would I be pushing my luck if I asked for the new Interceptor rule too?

>>96072539
Shields are for cucks desu.

Unless I'm missing something, Medusan Immortals have the highest CL of any legionary infantry unit. They're just CooLer than all the others.

>>96072472
many thanks

>>96070334
To be fair, Old World suffers from the death of alternative, better, fantasy rank and flank games that have sprung up since gw killed WHFB.

>>96072539
Loyalists are the ones defending. They should get all the shields
Even tho that's the opposite of what breachers do...

>>96072564
>Iron Warrior sergeant to his squad before charging over no man's land

https://www.goonhammer.com/goonhammer-reviews-horus-heresy-third-edition-liber-mechanicum/

Thallax/Castellax/Ursarax ~halfed in points. Tech thralls are like double points though, and T5

>>96072577

I like ToW, but none of the players in my area are egregious pricks who abused things like Crystal Vortex Spam or Dragon Lords.
Still have yet to see what the 1.5 FAQ has done to the game though. Although as a Dwarf player I'm of the opinion that I did nothing but win in that.

>>96072537
do you have recon squads?

Can I get a quick run down on how flyers work now? Or the page if anyone has it.

>>96072591
You don't have to abuse the obvious nonsense like sticking ward saves onto dragons in Old World to get annoyed by its systems.
Even a complete newbie to mini gaming as a whole would instantly notice:
"huh, my infantry fucking suck... They constantly lose combat to cavalry and monsters..."

When blocks of infantry aren't worth taking in a rank and flank game, the game system is bad on a fundamental level. It's the sort of thing you don't even need to playtest to see, just a cursory look at the average combat results if two units interact would show you the scales are tilted too far away from infantry.

I don't know what happened to the specialist games team. Old world straight into HH 3.0 is two massive misses in a row.

>>96070653
>Lucius is still a good duelist
He looks very overpriced for what he does tbqh.

>>96072564
>>96072581

>>96071293
It's definitely a kick in the nuts to go from a super fluffy legion trait that you could build around to effectively not having one. I think the rest of the DA rules are quite good and the army is being pushed to be melee focused and heavy on Cenobium and DWC - one squad with Master Sarge and one squad with the Paladin upgrade - plus one of our unique characters.

However, if that's not your cup of tea or if you don't have the models for it, it's definitely rough. Hopefully DA gets well balanced legacy units this time to open up some options as the legion's identify has been tanked so far.

>>96072610
The are not in the board normally. They come in on your turn to do one of 4 things. Deploy a unit, pickup a unit, shoot with some weapon or shoot with all weapons. You can only shoot defensive snapshots when leaving or picking up passengers iirc

>>96072610
I got you

>>96072644
Other rules are to prevent snaps are stable(Raptor, Eagle) super heavy (Thawk, Sokar). Marine flyers actually god as you intercept at table edge and can hide behind terrain

>>96072653
>good*
I just woke up forgive me.

>>96072618
>"huh, my infantry fucking suck... They constantly lose combat to cavalry and monsters..."

Mine never did. But again, Dwarf player. My mine bugbear with ToW was how hard a time Dwarfs had at actually shutting down spellcasters. Which, with a bit of luck, they might actually have fixed now.

There was also a very weird rule interaction where you sometimes just wanted to take the charge as a massive line of infantry and get all your attacks, which also just got FAQ'd.

I feel like... as ideosyncratic as it was, it was still one of the most complex rulesets GW have put out in a while. Like, I wasn't expecting to be perfect because GW just doesn't have capable enough ruleswriters to get something as ambitious as what they were trying to do any more. They've all left and now work across the street from them at Warlord (poor bastards). So, that when what we got was ALMOST as decent as it was, it was a surprise to me.

>>96072537
Its a shame xiphons always count as moving so they dont benefit from the heavy on the lascannons. But thats still a lot of Ap2 high S being put out for very cheap.

>>96072672
I still find it incredible that Warlord games have a shoestring budget yet manage to have such a better website than GW. It honestly amazes me how GW can have such a shit portal for selling their products.

>>96072591
>>96072618
Friend of mine found an exploit involving skirmishing ungors, a shaman, a banner of poison, shadowhide talisman, and the Mystic Paths spell. Teleporting skirmishers jump around your flank like modern special forces, pepper you with poison arrows, the shaman viletides you, and might also ruby ring of ruin you. You turn to respond, they jump off again. Shooting is at atleast a -2 to hit them, assuming he actually dropped in front of and in short range of your shooters (he wont), charging is suicide as you eat 20 poisoned arrows. Your only hope is to out magic them, and good luck with that.
He knows the head writer and spoke with him. Apparently its all, raw, legal.

>>96072676
Yeah, you can snake in for through terrain and laser some things. I dont see anything about return fire being snap shots though?

>>96072672
>Dwarf player
>cannon faction in magic dragon game

Kys

I’m looking for page 180 of the Saturnine rulebook, specifically about characters joining units. Can anyone hook an anon up?

Pic for attention.

>>96072653
Honestly desu I'm not convinced, marine flyers have 15-20" move and can only come on from your board edge, the deployment zones are 24x18, 24, or 12" long, so on 2/3 of them you can't even get out of your deployment zone. I think the only one that might be hood is the fire raptor, but even then it's main draw is the AP3 suppressive (2) fire but gravis heavy bolters rapiers are dirt cheap, 4 to a slot, and have suppressive (2) as well with way more shots per point

>>96072699

I bring exactly 1 cannon in the game. Everything else is pure Ironbreaker, Longbeards and Slayers baby. I don't even bring Gyrocopters because I hate the new model on account of the fact that I have eyes.

>>96072440
Grenade harness

Why haven't GW execs been shot up yet over this debacle??? We need a Luigi

>>96072699
Dwarfs arent a cannon faction in TOW, theyre an infantry faction. The cannons are bad, but first it was drakehammer torpedos and now its just cheap and durable infantry that are very good.

>>96072618
>abuse nonsense
>ward saves on dragons
Are you retarded? "oh no, the 500pts model has a save"

>"huh, my infantry fucking suck... They constantly lose combat to cavalry and monsters..."
"my tactical marines lose gunfights to HSS, this edition is fucking shi!

Infantry is priced at somewhere between 6 and 15ppm on average. Heavy cavalry starts at 20ppm on the very low end. A 20 man infantry unit is often worth a FRACTION of what a monster it is fighting will cost.

Infantry is still good, especially now, but it will not and should not invalidate units many times its cost. Infantry is there to hold the line and die in a cost effective manner, to allow you to set up charges with other units or to keep an enemy busy while your forces are occupied somewhere else (and now to hold objectives).

If you want infantry to be 8th ed good, go play 8th ed, the systems fine and you can still find games for it. But infantry not dominating isnt a problem.

>>96072707
The corner ones are tricky if the center matters, but the others are fine. 30k cares more about no mans land than your opponents zone. Being able to assault out of the Eagle is balanced by not being able to drop off behind enemy lines. It also has a lot of defensive weapons it can shoot when it does. They aren't 1.0 power levels thankfully, but they're good.

>>96072726
Do it yourself you lazy bum

>>96072494
Theres a decent number of accessible status effect units. Havoc launchers have stun now for example.
Nemesis bolters, grav weapons, flamers, lots of stuff has some status effect associated (and just dealing 25% losses can also trigger a check).

As for how likely those tests are to succeed? Depends against what. Its still hard to make librarians run away, but stubborn and fearless are gone so theres very few immune units. Just gotta roll those dice, not like most models (even elite ones) have THAT high a cool stat.

>rapes your ruleset and makes half your army illegal

nuMkV

>>96072763
Getting stormtrooper vibes from that helmet

>>96072763
Yeah seems like it.
Good thing they kept the groin balls.

>>96072763
>wrong shoulder pads
>back to round studs after all the mk5 characters got squared studs

>>96072763
aaaaaaahhh im cooming

give it to me NOW james

>>96072784
after painting the mkv apothecary, im glad they're just doing the mkvi style pads. way too many tiny studs.

some square or pyramid studs would be cool though

>>96072785
First consume product. Then get excited for new product.

>>96072385
Explain?

>Volkite HSS With MoS to give the shooty unit Vanguard 1
>I want the terrain to all be light so I can see everything
What did Pardo mean by this?

>>96072763
Why do they look so anemic?

>>96072811
>rending with a unit that doesent care about it
Give rending to a unit with autocannons you idiot. 5+ to hit becomes Ap2 autowound with d2.

>>96072814
they're more truth scail

>>96072763
Do not let this distract you, brothers. GW must pay for 3.0.

KILL EVERY GW EMPLOYEE YOU SEE

Do we have a leaks page for the Tactical Support Squads? They're still a thing, right?

>>96071691
Better be careful there chum, if CumWally or Trannyjan find your way of typing familiar you'll get banned.

>>96072763
>Leg balls
Lmao NOT HAPPENING

>>96072835

>>96072721

>Gorgon Terminators can shoot exactly once each game, as a tasty treat.

>>96072729
>"oh no, the 500pts model has a save"
No, retard.
He means that monster characters have unified profiles now, so sticking a 5+ ward saves amulet on your dragon rider, gives the whole dragon a 5+ wards save.
A 5+ ward save on a T3 W3 elf shitter isn't worth much, so the item is cheap. But it costs the same when you take it on a T "fuck you" W "enough" dragon.

Do we know if its still a 3+ to bring something in from deep strike

>>96072637
What's the Paladin upgrade?

>>96072729

Cannons with the Rune of Reloading are good, but I only take the one, mostly as a decoy since someone has to go a kill it and that's usually a unit that isn't going to do anything else for the game. I also like to take 10 man Thunderer units with Shields to pad out my Core choices, since nobody really expects missile infantry to have a 4+ save and decent WS. (Hell, it's a 3+ save now.)

But mostly I just take a King which then let's me take a nice big 18 man blob of Long Beards who are basically one of the most point efficient heavy infantry units in the game.

>>96072816
jfc how horrifying.

Can we all agree to have ruins be medium? I dont want to see HSS and MoS farming points all edition.

>>96072867
I think thats reasonable.

Ruins and woods medium, everything that isnt entirely flat terrain but isnt a ruin or whatever light. Exceptional things heavy.

experimenting with some militia

>>96072875
Yeah. Heavy can be for heavy walls too that have pin holes or boarded windows with slits, etc too. Something you cant get inside but want to block LoS.

>>96072876
Vraks/10

>>96072857
I know what he means, I play the game.

>saves are better on monsters
Yea, theyre also better on armored characters, whats your point. A 5++ on a naked wizard and a dude with a 2+ save and WS7 are worth different things, still the same 30pts.

>>96072857

Hence why they changed a) The max armour save a dragon rider could now have. and b) The Challenge rules so that if the Rider kills the guy, the Dragon doesn't it's attacks. Thus scuppering a lot of the more egregious combos.
As a Lord on a Dragon get's challenge by Billy Unit Leader, kills him with maybe two overkill wounds, and then loses the combat thanks to +2 Rank Bonus. +1 Standard. +1 Close Order.

Hell, if he charged a unit with more than 20 people in it, he might actually just route and get chased down. Still might even if he didn't.

>>96072817
Than make it fake scale again this looks like ass

>>96072884
That's hilarious
Fuck dragon lords

>>96072884
It should be noted that exactly one (1) dragon was affected by the armor changes. What they actually impacted was the more problematic (but less complained about by only casuals) wyvern, hippogriff, and black orc chariot.

>>96072882
Vraks?
These are clearly levies from Feral Worlds dragged along by the Word Bearers

>>96072899

Let's be fair, the best thing the FAQ did for that game was making it so I could now dispel vortexs from the vortex not the caster. In fact ALL the spellcasting changes were needed.

>>96072899
Anon I'm pretty sure Dragon Lord is used to bitch about most monster riding centre piece models

>>96072847
>No more chainswords / chainaxes
JAMES, WHY? WHY DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS TO ME?

>>96072903
speak for yourself, it gave my knights counter charge.

>>96072899

I said it in the correct general and I'll shit up this one with this, but GW should have let me take 6 Eadbutting Hats on my General and have him smash into units delivering 6 impact hits with his glorious headwear. Of a size and girth that even a Chaos Dwarf would be impressed.

>>96072906
Chainswords dont even do anything anymore, sad to see chainaxes go tho.

>>96072910

Your Knights nothing Chaos boy... it made your Warriors of Chaos actually have a fucking reason to exist again.

>>96072921
>it made your Warriors of Chaos actually have a fucking reason to exist again.
Nah, theyre still absolute ass. If anything theyre worse because of how frenzy was changed. Its not the correct general for going more into it, but the changes helped all infantry - and some infantry benefited more than others. Chaos warriors remain rather bad as far as infantry goes.

>>96072914
I dont know why they "fixed" that build, was it even OP?

>>96071635
NTA, here, have this version.

>>96072921

>3.0 has killed the feeling so thoroughly that people are talking about TOW now
Grim.

>>96072934

As everything we've seen in this general strongly indicates: GW hates both fun and anything that might be a conversion opportunity.

>>96072901
Hey, Vraks was discovered during the Great Crusade, after all. Nothing stopping a coincidence that the Word Bearer-aligned Vraks Imperialis Militia looks like the Vraks Renegade Militia from 10,000 years later. One of those weird parts of history, like how Pyramids went out of fashion in Ancient Egypt only to have the same design coalesce 2000 years later for Bass Pro Fishing Pyramid.

>>96072944
Wait, they can take plasma blasters? Is there even a model for that?

>>96071856
It doesn't, because you could achieve >>96071864 just as easily with a deep-discount sale - we know this because that's exactly what GW used to do, I picked up all the 2nd 40K codices for a quid each back in '98 when 3rd launched at the local GW store, they just dumped all the non-miniature content from 2nd they had left in stock on the table and said "books 1 quid, boxes 5 quid - FIGHT".

The actual reason they do it is GW are, despite Kirby's departure from leading the company, still utterly, completely, batshit crazy fucking wonko. They believe themselves a "luxury brand" like Louis Vuitton or Lamborghini, and so cannot be seen to be giving discounts on their own product or else people might start to believe it hasn't been shat in fully-formed solid gold perfection from the arsehole of an angel or whatever. So they order GW stores to destroy collectively hundreds of thousands worth of product every year rather than deal with shipping it back to HQ to warehouse. In fact the big friendly green ecowarrior recycling programme they're rolling out? Fuck all to do with saving the planet, everything to do with providing a more cost-effective infrastructure for destroying their own product.

Look at the decisions and decision makers of any corporation and you find lunatic madness, anon.

>>96072959
Yes? In the plastic kit?
Not that that helped powe fists

>>96072944
Everyone, please note that not even the Tart Command squad gets the Terminator Melee list, only power weapons.

>Sgt Pfist
>yes
>Tart Pfist
>I'm too weaaak

>>96072123
>Anon criticised Maggy Milk Snatcher's policies and the resulting privatised clusterfuck
>Hurr durr gubmint boorocracy vote for my mate Nigel gurrrr
Bugger off you web-toed subnormal.

>>96072976
More proof of a shit copy paste job and lack of proofreading if you ask me. Neither are anything new for GW.

>>96072906
World eater rules lets you get them for free on everything dunno what you mean

>>96072968
Or chainfists.

>>96072700
nice guys bro

>>96072985
I'm not convinced: shoddy corpo vs shady corpo is a coin flip, but,

It specifically talks about lightning claw options. And specifically omits the full melee list...