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Oh yes, I wasn't saying Toriyama and Salagir are remotely comparable in that regard. Toriyama made up the "17 million zenos" thing simply for Vegeta to be capable of transforming without the moon, even though Piccolo tried to prevent that, it was purely to raise the stakes, and show how little Goku knows of saiyans, like another anon said.