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Thank you

LAST TIME ON /dbg/: >>530906062

Here is an idea I came up with a while ago:
A villain is on a Planet with its own set of Dragon Balls. Every time the balls are used there's repercussions around the universe. Since the balls take it out on the Universe there's no recharge and they can be used infinitely but they do scatter around the small planet they are on once used. The villain is an unassuming man on the outside but on the inside is a crazy intelligence psycho piece of shit who wants to become the god of the new world (think sort of like Light Yagami). Anyways it's up to our heroes to stop him (Goku is the protagonist and literally anyone can be a secondary). Goku and whoever approach him because Beerus or the Supreme Kai told them about the strange occurrences (disappearing planets and huge negative energy shockwaves) in the Universe. Goku gets manipulated by the guy The guy learns about the Saiyan race's existence and wishes to become one and to become the same type of mutant as Broly. Goku and co visit him again and he ends up learning about Bulma. He's able to catch a ride with Goku (learning about instant transmission in the process). He's able to manipulate Bulma into telling him about Beerus, the Super Dragon Balls, ect. He is able to outsmart Gohan too. One person that might be able to sort of resist him is Beerus, who is an insanely smart manipulator in his own right. He would have a form of immortality and literally any other power within reason you want to give him. Eventually the deuteragonist figures the villain out and the fight begins.

>>531138163
>>531138665
>>531140153
Kek what the fuck

>>531140978
Sounds like he'd just be fodder that get one shotted the second any actual fighting starts, versatility doesn't mean much in DB.
Being a Broly type mutant doesn't mean much since it wouldn't do shit to your ki due to Shenron only being able to change your biology. Technically it could even kill you due to the imbalanced between your body and ki too.
Also sounds like your OC is 200% just relying on nobody used their obvious powers of sensing someone's intent and evil, basically relying on Team Rocket gag logic of nobody seeing through the paper thin disguise.

>>531141371
People tend to forget that everyone in-universe initially dismissed Zamasu as the guilty party because he was genuinely pure of heart and it completely fucked up how the characters usually assess someone as evil or not.
Just like how Gowasu misinterpreted Zamasu's tea not being clouded anymore as him being at peace with mortals instead of just having made up his mind to kill them all.

>>531140978
>(think sort of like Light Yagami)
Light is a retard who only got as far as he did because the author legit admitted he had to cheat and basically gave a free pass to Light a bunch of times like with the detective girl who was getting way too close to the truth way too fast so the author panicked and had her just happen to meet Light and tell him everything she had that would lead to him as well as her full name.

>>531141371
>versatility doesn't mean much in DB
Yeah it does. That's the only reason guys like Hit and Roshi are relevant at all. Piccolo got knocked out by that one super small guy. Imagine versatility + insane strength + incredible wit.
It's mostly supposed to be an entertaining idea. Think like the Z movies. That was the intention. Just a cool setup for a cool fight.

>>531140978
I only like those dragon balls, the villain himself sounds like those "smarter than you" OCs...

>>531141953
>That's the only reason guys like Hit
Hit is literally on Goku's level in pure stats and is almost entirely a one trick poney with just punches and time skip.
>Roshi are relevant at all.
So not at all? He had like 2 spotlights episodes in the TOP and that's it.
>Piccolo got knocked out by that one super small guy.
Yeah, in a specific tournament with special rules to make it work, not a fight to the death.
>Think like the Z movies
The problem would be that your idea would require too much down time where the characters are just walking around and talking when Z movies are way more straightforward, they generally start fighting within minutes.

>>531141953
>>531142293
Honestly would work better as an 'in-between' arc like Watagashi or Commeson.

>>531140593 (OP)
Why did the creator of the manga have to insert his cuck fetish in?
It was fine when teenage Yamcha decided to keep Vegeta alive and let him have his future because he remembered his character development and Trunks. But what was the point of the bonus chapter where he challenges Vegeta and jobs immediately?

>>531142910
>But what was the point of the bonus chapter where he challenges Vegeta and jobs immediately?
Set up that he was plateauing like the time looping Chaozu he fight at the end.

>>531142910
It's even weirder once he's back to his body, he keeps a wallpaper of Bulma.

>>531143234
That's not really weird, dude was a hardcore DB fan from the start.

>>531142038
>There's no power ceiling in DB though. That idea is pure headcanon.
Some characters reached a hard limit even with pure training. Being part of a specific species does help out a lot.

Even if a human and a saiyan had the same growth potential, saiyans have transformations up the wazoo, so you'd need to work far harder than a saiyan to surpass them as a human.

You'd probably be a mutant or have a dragon ball that unlocks insane potential to be able to measure up to some beings. No one is hard capped but some ceilings are hard to break through.

>>531140268
The design being better or not isn't even the root issue. The root issue is that, in a fandom that's needed unifying since the turn of the century, Toriyama's last living act was to submit something else for people to draw lines in the sand over. This may be the grandest missed opportunity in the history of anime, and has objectively doomed us to an eternity of OG vs Temu debates. As if we needed something else to fling shit at each other over.

>>531142141
>Tenkaichi
Oh, I mean if I can cheat and name Goku 10 times because he has 10 forms, then yeah, I can probably get to 100. I couldn't name a hundred individual characters, though. No shot. The main cast and villains from Z and Super only get me up to like, 35.

>>531140593 (OP)
>reincarnated as Yamcha
Call me KaiserNeko because I am hanging myself immediately.

>>531143751
RIP anon. You won't be missed.

>>531143692
>saiyans have transformations up the wazoo
Just use Ultra Instinct.
Or No-Ego Zone that Krillin used.

>>531143859
neither would Yamcha

>>531143382
He was, but at the beginning he wanted to remain loyal to Bulma but accepted to let her go to follow the usual events (even if in broad strokes), but a bonus chapter had him trying to get on with her, fought Vegeta, lost, and kept a picture of her once he's back to his original body, so he still wanted to be with her but "lost"...

I think a lot of "humans are cool too!1!1!1!" Dragon Ball posters forget that one of the better racial traits Saiyans exhibit is that they age much slower. Part of why I wouldn't wanna be human is because characters like Goku and Vegeta barely appear to age, even when characters like Krillin are in full Dad mode with grey hair.

>>531144151
Saiyans overall don't live much longer than humans and given their tendencies to get killed, their average is basically the same as humans.
Krillin looking older has no actual impact on his health or strength and Roshi is older than any Saiyan.

>>531144320
>Saiyans still age
Yes. That's what I said. But it's deranged to imply being older isn't hemming up his strength and stamina at all. Sure, Roshi used psudeo-UI in the manga, but he couldn't keep it up. A 50 year old human cannot match the stamina of a 50 year old Saiyan. They are genetically inferior.

>>531143692
>Some characters reached a hard limit even with pure training
Roshi fell off after daimao and sat around watching porn while all the rest kept fighting
Yamcha quit after he had a hole put in his chest by Gero with a complimentary showing for getting his arm broken (again) by Cell jr.
Krillin quit shortly after that and only kinda picked back up during super
And Tien started a school which 100% means he dialed back his personal training plus we see he practically trains like vegeta does I.E. the wrong way
And yet even still 3 of the 4 of them managed to put up decent enough showings for the ToP given how poor they were previously and how little turnaround time they had to get strong. They still have access to some of the strongest possible techniques and transformations because they're species neutral.
Maybe even a pure human can never set the next peak but once he sees that peak he can 100% match them with effort and strategy. Maybe you have to work harder but you can also work with having a set goal in mind instead of aimlessly searching for the path to the next tier of enlightenment.
If you still need more then there's still the chance at finding a spare RR lab and giving yourself cyborg bullshit boost

>>531144507
Roshi is like 400 years old at this point and stronger than ever.

>>531144151
Saiyans don't age slower they just don't come out of their peak condition for longer. Goku and Vegeta can still die of old age after 70 they'll just keep looking like they're in their mid 30s right until the end.
Meanwhile someone like Roshi or Crane hermit lived for hundreds of years.

>>531144690
>Saiyans don't age slower they just don't come out of their peak condition for longer.
Toriyama actually DID say the Saiyans have a longer lifespan than humans.

>>531143751
Your ignorance made me conduct a thought experiment and I discovered that going from OG to EoZ, not counting movies, forms, fusions, and duplicates like Kid Trunks, I could just about name 100 characters. Potentially more I forgot the names of like the snow village girl from Red Ribbon arc.

>>531144796
Source?

>>531144521
You can't really take some of those ToP feats at face value. Krillin, Tien, and Piccolo getting included was a Mickey Mouse feel good moment worth suspending our disbelief for, but it's obviously nonsense. Shit is like when Green Arrow gets a couple arrows in against some Parademons while Superman is batting Darksied around, or Hawkeye shooting a few Thanos goons while the stronger Avengers fight Thanos. It doesn't mean Green Arrow can actually fight at Superman's level. lol

>>531144980
Here: https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/episode-bardock-akira-toriyama-super-qa/

>>531144936
That's fair. I'm sure having watched original Dragon Ball helps since it had a hundred side characters.

>>531144796
i believe it but sauce?

>>531145017
>You shouldn't take what actually happened at face value, you should just take my word for it
This is just goofy.

>>531145138
Based anon helping support a portion of my argument that I didn't even intend to imply. All I meant was that Saiyans retain their youth longer because they age slower. I never said they had a longer lifespan.

>>531145194
Posted here >>531145138
>>531145304
I know what you meant, I'm just correcting the record because it was mentioned.

>>531145267
So you think Green Arrow is on Superman's level, just because they participate in the same battles sometimes? lol

>>531143865
>Just use Ultra Instinct.
>Just use this technique few GoDs even manage to achieve bro
Not that it's impossible to use it but, it's not so simple...

>Or No-Ego Zone that Krillin used.
Did that even do anything? Krillin was still a jobber during ToP.

>>531144151
I think it was said saiyans stay in their prime for longer, but once they're past it they age rapidly. Although Paragus is the only old saiyan we saw and he isn't that bad.

>>531144320
>Roshi is older than any Saiyan.
Roshi is also immortal.

>>531144521
>Roshi fell off after daimao and sat around watching porn while all the rest kept fighting
>Yamcha quit after he had a hole put in his chest by Gero with a complimentary showing for getting his arm broken (again) by Cell jr.
>Krillin quit shortly after that and only kinda picked back up during super
>And Tien started a school which 100% means he dialed back his personal training plus we see he practically trains like vegeta does I.E. the wrong way
Yamcha, Krillin and Tien all failed to keep up with Goku back when they were still trying post Namek. Krillin and Yamcha even refused to train with Goku because they felt they couldn't keep up with Goku's rythm.

>Maybe even a pure human can never set the next peak but once he sees that peak he can 100% match them with effort and strategy. Maybe you have to work harder but you can also work with having a set goal in mind instead of aimlessly searching for the path to the next tier of enlightenment.
Like I said, it's not impossible, but DB is a setting where humans struggle to keep up. Goku is naturally talented at training and loves doing it, if he were a human getting to his pace would be difficult, but he's a saiyan, so not only is he naturally stronger, he also has transformations.

Humans keeping up with other species that are naturally stronger like Saiyans and Namekians (At least the warrior types) is tough. DB is not nice to them, unlike other Japanese media.

>>531145413
I understand. I just find it annoying how often people will jump in and try to pick an argument over something nobody even said. Reading comprehension ITT is shakey.

>>531145447
Green Arrow sniped Superman / Knocked him the fuck out a few times

>>531145514
>Did that even do anything?
Got him on TOP 17 and 18's level more or less.

>>531144521
>Roshi
>Tien
Headcanon. For all we know, they kept training all throughout. Hell for Roshi it's the only thing that makes sense to explain his Super level.

>Tuffle Quest
>"The hell was that?!" Acer shouts, the smoke clearing to reveal... a person, blonde hair, blue eyes, shirtless, and smirking at you like he's confident in his abilities.
>"Looks like Pilaf's hunch was right. Hello kids. You may call me Artificial Human Number 10. I'll be taking those Dragon Balls now." he tells you.
I was expecting that androids would only show up later (Maybe Tao Pai Pai as one), but this is interesting, makes sense too. Path to Power was the first search for the dragon balls, but the second one still has RRA, so someone an an android works... Blue of all people too is a nice surprise.

Spoilers:
DK attains a SSJ5-inspired Kong Bananza, as a power up against the final boss.
by SSJ5, i mean it's really just a gag on Beast, UI, and Gear 5. He runs fast, can charge souped up projectile arcs, slowmo dodges, and keeps on a bright smile.
K. Rool is not the final boss but he was the co-konspirator. He got tied up with the same shit Pauline got into.
and a huge spoiler:
Red was raped at Mt. Silver on the fridgid fall of '99

>>531145514
>Yamcha, Krillin and Tien all failed to keep up with Goku back when they were still trying post Namek
Yeah because they train wrong, like vegeta does but at least vegeta trains extremely fucking hard. Krillin especially shouldn't go back to roshi.
>Krillin and Yamcha even refused to train with Goku because they felt they couldn't keep up with Goku's rythm.
And they're stupid for that. Their egos got in the way of the best training possible because its not like Gohan at that age was actually all that strong outside of his rages. They don't even know how he trains, they don't interact for years at a time.
Humans get a bad time yeah but the examples we have are also kinda shit, they have some natural talent to carry them through the early chapters and then go progressively less hard each time they brush with death.

Yamoshi

>>531146962
Oh hey you're close to one of the really big points of contention I have with the early Quest, the power jump Korin's training gives them. Fair warning there, even with the absurd luck it's pretty substantial. Thankfully the rest of the Dragon Ball classic arc isn't as badly affected by it overall, even if things go quite a bit off the rails.

>>531150532
>that pic
Huh, I guess that makes sense as an "OG Dragon Ball" style Super Saiyan

>>531155631
NO, NOT AGAIN

>>531156128
What's wrong anon?

>>531150532
I don't understand how the rolls work, but from what everyone else is commenting, Mapple is very lucky because the rolls have been so good, and what allowed Blue as an android to be defeated so easily, and it happened like three times in a row in chapter 13. You're telling me there's gonna be another absurd luck that overly buffs Mapple? And Acer too I guess but so far he's ignorable.

>>531152467
It's a neat look.

>>531156475
Goku, Acer, Maple, Krillin, and Chichi all get a substantial increase through the Korin training, Goku and Acer actually both ending up stronger than Maple through it. They got some incredibly lucky rolls, but it's still quite a jump. Again though, even with things going off the rails it's not a thing that turns the rest of Dragon Ball classic into an easy curbstomp.

>>531155631
>>531156421
Pull tail

>>531157946
SUUUPA
DORAGON BORRU
HEEEERRROOOOES

>>531157557
>Goku and Acer actually both ending up stronger than Maple through it.
I'm surprised, was expecting Acer to remain redundant.

>Again though, even with things going off the rails it's not a thing that turns the rest of Dragon Ball classic into an easy curbstomp.
If it's just a power boost then it doesn't mean that much unless Goku turns super saiyan when fighting King Piccolo, and while I was told Goku gets SS1 before saiyan saga, I feel that King Piccolo causing it is a little too obvious for this kind of story... I wouldn't be surprised if Krillin doesn't even die. I will laugh if Acer gets killed.

>>531158283
Killin living through the King Piccolo arc would be interesting, honestly

>>531158180
that reminds me, I wish our booru still updated. I think the last anything ever got added to it was like, three or four years ago.

I miss Heroes...

>>531164440
It was our last source of new content when nothing else released, and now they took even that from us...

Your thoughts about Cooler 21?

>>531164702

>>531164440
what did they threaten vegeta with to make him do that pose?

>>531164916
his salary

>>531164838

>>531164994
>threatening to shitcan a man if he doesn't do his wagie dance
jesus i didn't think Wal-mart had spread that far

>>531165953
Lord Frieza is ruthless

>>531165000
Checking those trips

>>531140978
>and then he outsmarts him!
>and then he outsmarts him!
>and then he... wait for it... outsmarts him!
Would get super boring quite quickly, DB is action adventure, mystery and twists can give some variety, but not when it's so repetitive; also making Beerus of all the people smart is some insane self-insertism

>>531155631
imagine a girl kicking you square in the face with her bare foot, would be so embarrassing

>>531140978
>>531142153
Sounds like Zahha, down to the "ends up fighting with Beerus" part.

>>531164702
a little more fuckable than the average 21 because eating the villains is hot

I just found out she has the same VA as 21.

Can't convince me toyble isn't a faggot given how he always tries to make Vegeta look hot

>>531168637
>also making Beerus of all the people smart is some insane self-insertism
NTA but Beerus is one of the smartest characters in the franchise. He constantly gaslights everyone to get what he wants out of them. Remember Monaka? Remember the "10%" he said to Bejita?

>>531174087
Anon...

>>531174112
>Remember Monaka?
Ah yes, I do remember when Beerus almost became Champa's BITCH if it weren't for Hit-sama's generosity.

>>531174112
>is one of the smartest characters in the franchise
He's foxy for sure, but cleverness is not necessarily intelligence. He's just a cat and like all cats they can be insanely keen and logical when he's focused on something important to him and then a dipshit at other times when he's trying to get out of it as quickly as possible

I think it would be really cool if the gang hung out at Kamehouse instead of doing their things alone during downtime

>>531177702
It'd be nice if they ever interacted with each other at all outside of tournaments, fate of the world scenarios, and the after parties of the previous two. More comedy from their interactions would help smooth some of the issues of having a shonen run this damn long.

>>531174087
Gay

Why are people debating whether or not characters can take part in battles based on arbitrary superpowers that can be written out at any time?

>>531157946
>>531158180
This really shows how low the franchise has fallen, SDBH is easily the worst

>530usd
Fucking assholes

>>531187585
>based on arbitrary superpowers that can be written out at any time?
if your entire story has no internal consistency then there's no point to reading it since you can just bullshit whatever solution you want

>>531148931
>Still being mad at Red's superiority
Here's your pity (you).

>>531189513
Dragon Ball already has no internal consistency, Piccolo went on Namek after a few weeks of training at Kaio's place thinking he was strong enough, the Earthlings made a lot more progress than Goku did in 3 years in a single year, Popo can teleport all over Earth but didn't help Goku do that

What needs to be there is some kind of SENSE of internal consistency, which you could define as short-medium term internal consistency (the drama of the arc needs to stand up and not have too many holes), but it doesn't have to be consistent on the long run and bullshit superpowers can be granted if need be

>>531156475
>I don't understand how the rolls work, but from what everyone else is commenting,
They work like DnD dice rolls.

>>531174112
>Remember Monaka? Remember the "10%" he said to Bejita?
Not really different from the lies Roshi told to motivate Goku and Krillin IMO

>>531177702
>>531179000
That's one of the change I really appreciate in Super, where we see clearly established that most of them hangout off screen and we see them visit each others a bunch and do favor with each others.
It's a nice continuation of the change we saw in the Buu saga where Goten and Trunks were basically fused at the hip.
It's really interesting to see how Toriyama's view of it all changed as he aged.

>>531189898
>Dragon Ball already has no internal consistency
That's just false and that retarded opinion should go back from where it came from: A shitty anituber from the pre-BOG era and stay there.

>>531190603
I don't watch Anitubers and you should feel bad for even knowing about them. My point still stands and you've dodged all of my points because you know I'm right.

>>531190653
I'm not even reading your points because the entire basis is flawed.

>>531190808
I accept your concession

>>531191094
I accept your cope

>Debate when normal people are in the thread
>*Interesting idea*
>Oh that's cool here's something related *adds to the interesting idea in a meaningful way*
>"Huh interesting, I didn't realize X
Debates with schizos
>*Someone says something*
>"You're retarded"
>"Huh?"
>[GIVES MEANINGLESS INFORMATION AND ARGUES AD NASUEM]
>Cope
>Not reading
ect

>>531191437
Maybe just stop saying retarded shit.

>>531191437
>Noooo, you have to give the same attention and interest as when someone actually make sense!
Fuck off.

You legit think everyone is the same guy.

>>531191948
>Get told to fuck off
>Suddenly a post complaining about being told to fuck off show up
>Also get told to fuck off
>Who do you think I am?!
You can fuck off regardless of who you are

>>531148931
>>>/v/715410658
I know it's a jest but consider what's actually been and almost leaked, it's probably a good guess.

You know what could be fun? A weapon tournament arc. Could even start it with a little training arc where everyone fight their main weapon they want to use for the tournament.
Also to make thing more interesting, have Goku use something other than his staff, maybe make him swap weapons a lot throughout the arc.

>>531195415
>Make Goku use something other than his most known weapon
Why? A tournament like this would be novel by giving everyone else a weapon to use, don't think Goku would need to be different for its own sake and give him a new one.

It could work if someone else were to use Nyoibo I guess, but since few characters trained under him, and no one did so when he had it, it'd be weird...

>>531198356
>Why?
Variety's sake since he's the only one who already has a weapon and it'd be unfair for the other who need to find their own weapon.

>>531198356
I want Goku using nunchakus and tonfas

>>531188329
I didn't know nips had scalpers too

Ooishi should replace Toyotaro.

>People discovering the hair stuff in DB come from Wuxia stuff
You'll never guess where the Evil Third Eye come from.

>>531191437
There's a nigga with Asperger's who hangs out here and he is insufferable.

>>531205598
But enough about you.

Even Youtube essayist are joining in on the dogpile: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rzB3GRLLJc

>>531189906
I figured that much, but what I'm wondering is if the rolls have something to do with post numbers or something, because if anons are really throwing their dice IRL, anons can not follow an honor system and just lie about getting the right numbers if there is no proof.

>>531205901
>Even youtube essayists are talking about the current thing the fanbase is laughing at for clicks
You don't say...

>>531206581
>but what I'm wondering is if the rolls have something to do with post numbers or something,
Basically you can enter a command in the reply box and once posted, it'll roll the dice for you.

>>531205901
>All the comments are basically repeating /dbg/ talking points

>>531214440
>Video doesn't point out the "Howevers" in the battles
Shame.

>>531217109
Does DBM even really do that much? I only remember Bra's senzu spam.
To be fair the video wasn't focused on the fights at all

>>531217109
I will stand by my point
Sandro is actually a better writer than Salagir, BY FAR

>>531217315
No shit. At least Sandro just throw away fodder villains. If Salagir wrote Kengan, you'd only see Ohma and Koga to be humiliated while Raian's murder hobo cousin with voodoo powers is treated as the smartest most perfect guy ever.

At least the fights in Omega last more than like 5 panels.

I feel bad for the inevitable Budoaki 4 (or would it be 5 because of Infinite World?). It’s going to be put on a high pedestal made from the nostalgia of the previous installments that it very obviously won’t reach. From a gameplay standpoint, If Sparking Zero failed, I don’t see Budokai 4.5 succeeding. Especially if it has to accommodate modern gamers and their shit, bipolar taste like SZ had to.

And if that’s not enough, from a visual standpoint, it’s going to be held to FighterZ’s standards, which it also won’t measure up too and unlike the other DB games, it’s not fully 3D so it won’t have any excuses.

>>531220196
>Especially if it has to accommodate modern gamers and their shit, bipolar taste like SZ had to.
SZ succeeded tho, we're just stuck with the most bitter takes in the world but when you look at any factual data, the game made a shit ton of money and had raving reviews by both players and critics.

>>531220196
>it’s going to be held to FighterZ’s standards
You know, I kind of noticed that around the time FighterZ released, anime games started looking better. Plastic/gloss on the models started fading away, cel shading started being embraced more, we’ve got fancier impact frames, etc.

>>531206581
>>531210309
Adding to this, the ability to roll dice with a post has been a part of /tg/ for well over a decade and a half. Be it a d4, d6, d10, d20, d100, or more esoteric "dice" numbers. For example, if you wanted to roll 3d6, the post would include a bolded result and a total, saying something like

>Rolled 3d6: 5, 3, 5 = 13

Or if you wanted something weirder, like 1d666, it would roll like so

>Rolled 1d666: 137

The result is as random as 4chan code can allow, not perfectly so but close enough for it to be functional. More importantly, people don't know the results until its posted. /qst/ inherited the system from /tg/ when it got split off.

>>531221612
Yeah, that's what I was talking about.

>Za Warudo
How does Salagir think he's a writer?

>>531224569
I didn't mind it when it was a gag chapter that was essentially a glorified omake but the fact it was actually brought back as a serious plot point is just insane.

Glad to see we're still malding over the tournament

>>531226024
>beak lips

If we're talking about Multiverse I have an actual hot take: Super Saiyan 0 is shit. The entire concept of 'Using your full power in base' is pointless, it doesn't actually make you any stronger.

sparking zero died....

sparking who?

>>531226891
personally i'm amused that after all the shitting on super salagir's done his ultimate final form for goku basically just looks like discount UI sign

>>531227693
Multiverse really is just discount Super (yes, despite all of Super's flaws)

>>531227693
I couldn't stop laughing seeing him desperately pretend that wasn't a UI Omen rip off and how it was totally a form they had planned before Super was even a thing.

>>531227693
>>531228051
The fact it fought with a clear UI vibe despite nothing in the form's description explaining why it would fight any differently from usual was the funniest part of that denial.

>>531205901
>Vegito need senzu beans to sustain himself
Wait, that's a thing? That's the most retarded concept I ever heard.

>>531226967
Good. Normalfaggots will finally wake up and realize that Budokai 3 >>> Tenkaichi

>>531220196
>if Sparking Zero
It didn't, that's why a Budokai 4 is likely.
>would it be 5
Let's see...
>DRAGON BALL Z
>DRAGON BALL Z2(V)
>DRAGON BALL Z3
>DRAGON BALL Z Infinite World
>DRAGON BALL Z Shin Budokai
>DRAGON BALL Z Shin Budokai 2
Would be the seventh game. Unless we count the cardass spin-off series that became an arcade titan in Japan and is still alive today, then we add
>Data Carddass DRAGON BALL Z
>Data Carddass DRAGON BALL Z2
>DRAGON BALL Z Bakuretsu IMPACT
>DRAGON BALL Z W Bakuretsu IMPACT
>DRAGON BALL ̶ Z̶ Kai Dragon Battlers
>(SUPER) DRAGON BALL HEROES
>DRAGON BALL HEROES: Ultimate Mission
>DRAGON BALL HEROES: Ultimate Mission 2
>DRAGON BALL HEROES: Ultimate Mission X
>SUPER DRAGONBALL HEROES: World Mission
>DRAGON BALL SUPER DIVERS

>>531229147
Salagir is a faggot obsessed with the idea of Vegeto being unnatural or something

>>531229989
There's a difference between unnatural and being a weird dysfunctional aborted homonculus that need infinite healing juice to not collapse on the spot.

>>531228051
>>531228213
I'm 100% sure Salagir came up with the idea long before Super, it's just that he's too incompetent to make it distinct.

>>531220196
FighterZ graphics isn't the end of all.
And if it isn't gonna be a tag fighter than all the better for it. Tag Fighters are a mistake.

>>531205901
>Multiverse respect the powerscale because nobody grew all that much from the Cell saga thanks to a throwaway line taken out of context
>Please ignore this completely contradict the Buu saga where Dabura is stronger than Cell and yet considered fodder
Even the faint praise retards give Multiverse is just more shit if you think about it for 3 seconds.

>>531230182
I can accept the shitty pseudo Ultimate aspect was something he came up with a long time ago but you won't have me believe for a single second the rest isn't a UI rip off.

>>531229147
Yeah according to Salagir Vegito is so strong the "instant full recovery" bean isn't enough for him and needs tons of them on a daily basis, which is pretty hilarious because you're trying to tell me the senzu have a fixed amount of energy they can give you and it's enough to instantly recover Ultimate Gohan, but Yajirobe can eat many without literally exploding from the energy overdose? lmao

>>531217273
Gast vs Raichi
>Broly and SS3 Vegeta cut Gast to pieces
>Broly goes out of control and Vegeta destroys Gast's head just in case
>However
>Gast regenerates
>Kills Raichi
>However
>Hatchiack shows up
>Is a retard doing predictable attacks and gets killed in a few pages (Longer than XXI vs Goku btw)

Cell vs Vegeta
>Cell creates some clones
>Him and Vegeta throw ki beams at each other
>Cell overwhelms Vegeta
>Uses the beams to chase Vegeta and corner him
>An explosion happens
>However
>Vegeta never lost control of the beams
>The explosion was Vegeta hitting the wall creating a smokescreen
>He uses them to kill the last clone

>Cell uses a barrier to crush Vegeta
>Vegeta is about to get crushed
>However
>Vegeta copied Goku's teleportation and escaped

>Cell mocks Vegeta for being too weak
>Tells him to go SS3
>Vegeta laughs it off and says SS3 is worthless
>Eats a senzu and throws one to Cell
>However
>Vegeta turns SS3 and attacks Cell's core that was moving around his body, killing Cell

Buu vs Everyone (Round 1)
>Buu is overwhelming all fighters
>Vegetto isn't nearby
>However
>Gast has a magic that traps all of Buu's pieces

Buu vs Everyone (Round 2)
>Buu is overwhelming all fighters
>Vegetto is nearby
>Turns SS3 and kills all Buu parts
>However
>Buu made copies invisible to the naked eye
>However
>Vargas made a device that detects if the machine to teleport contestants was used but didn't work
>Buu is teleported back to his universe
>Buu can never return because only beings from Vargas's universe can use the machine.

XXI vs Goku can also be summed up as
>XXI teleports Goku to the Hyperbolic dimension
>Goku escapes
>However
>ZA WARUDO

>>531230695
>Yeah according to Salagir Vegito is so strong the "instant full recovery" bean isn't enough for him and needs tons of them on a daily basis,
Let me guess: They have senzu farms in his universe to accommodate that.
Ignoring that the entire point of mystical stuff like senzus is that they aren't things you can mass produce.

>>531230742
(2/2)
From a special, Ultra Buu vs Broly
>Ultra Buu is stronger than Broly
>Buu can't hurt him
>Teleports himself and Broly to a black hole with "basically infinite gravity"
>However
>Broly toughs it out

Bra vs Cold
>Bra is crushed
>However
>Senzu
>Vegetto's ki sword
>Clone technique that traps opponent
>However
>Cold was Ginyu
>Switches to Bra's body
>Fights Vegetto
>Loses
>Uses body switch
>However
>Vegetto teleported to Cold's body
>Bra is back to her body less than a chapter later

Goku vs Uub
>SS3 Goku is stronger than Uub's Kaioken
>Uub copies Bra's clone technique
>Goku kicks Uub before the clone traps him
>Fight seems to be over
>However
>Uub uses Maximum Kaioken
>Defeats Goku while never getting touched
>However
>Maximum Kaioken's recoil is too much
>Uub loses the fight

There's probably more.

>>531230836
Yeah, in the Kaioshin planet iirc

>>531230306
>>Multiverse respect the powerscale because nobody grew all that much from the Cell saga thanks to a throwaway line taken out of context
Huh? What line?
>>531226891
>Using your full power in base' is pointless
From a Dragon Ball standpoint it makes sense and is in character for Goku. Think about Mastered Super Saiyan. That was entirely about using your full power as if it was a base form. Toei filler actually has something similar and they keep toying with the concept (even Daima had a reference to it where Goku was half transformed in that one fight)
Super Saiyan is cool so I think Toriyama had the right idea of keeping SS1 while discarding 2 and 3.
Base > SS1 > SSG > SSB > MUI/UI Omen

>>531230742
>>531230960
Honestly those are pretty weak howevers. None of it is really hype IMO.
Also Vegeta copying IT annoys me

>Salagir using all of his common sense couldn't realize Senzus were made a limited resource because they delete all tension when spammed in the middle of a fight
He reads too much capeshitit sounds like.

>>531231053
>Huh? What line?
The one in the Cell saga where Goku is like 'It's pointless to overstress your body, we won't get much stronger even with more time in the ROSAT', that retarded youtuber seems to think it means they're hitting a hard cap. He's clearly desperate to throw it at least SOME praise in DBM's way.
>From a Dragon Ball standpoint it makes sense and is in character for Goku.
Sure but it's an utility upgrade, not some big impressive power up like DBM treated it as.

>>531231448
It's classic fanfic thinking. 'I wasn't specifically told this was impossible so I'll just make an infinite a amount of what is clearly portrayed as a super scarce ressource, I'm so smart!'

>>531220196
I feel the same way about Xenoverse 3. People expect it to have models that look like those pedrotx's mods, all sorts of cool features for the different races, and so many what-ifs that it basically turns it into an arena fighter version of Heroes, but I can't really see any of that happening.

Buu Arc characters aren't actually that much stronger than Cell Arc characters. SS3 Youth Gohan could beat Fat Buu.

>>531230836
>>531231025
Seriously? That explains why they brought so many to the tournament, but wow...

>>531231115
>None of it is really hype IMO.
Salagir is terrible at hype. XXI vs Gast "hype" was Janemba being summoned.

Point is those gave characters advantages to win, some are okay, others are complete trash.

>>531231459
IIRC Toriyama also mentioned he doesn't see Goku growing that much stronger past Cell saga. He still grew stronger but isn't that far above Cell saga Gohan with SS2.

The Yamcha isekai really is well drawn, how do these "fanmanga" keep defending their shit art seeing that?

>>531232185
>He still grew stronger but isn't that far above Cell saga Gohan with SS2.
That's just not true tho, Goku's base got way stronger, he unlocked SSJ2 and THEN SSJ3. It might not be a Namek tier power up but he's like 20 times stronger at the very least, that's still massive.
We're talking about a Goku who was weaker than a Cell Jr only to now dismiss Dabura after saying he was as strong as Cell and then still not be worried at all after going 'Oh wait, he's stronger than that actually'.
Also Toriyama basically said End of Z Goku was stupidly OP to the point he couldn't think of a way to make anything stronger at the time (Literally Kid Buu level in Base).

>>531232185
>Seriously? That explains why they brought so many to the tournament, but wow...
Wanna hear the funniest part? That shit is only mentioned in the novel version despite clearly being in play in the manga itself too. This ATROCIOUS storytelling.
>>531232419
GarrowLee is the best in term of art quality amongst the 'ascended fanartists' Shueisha hired IMO. Toyotaro is the best in term of copying Toriyama style and Oishi is the best in term of jokes and character interactions.

Bejita is confirmed weaker than Gohan before he got the Majin powerup. Bejita was 100% certain he too could defeat Dabura. Dabura was Perfect Cell level, not Super Perfect Cell.

>>531232824
>Dabura was Perfect Cell level, not Super Perfect Cell.
Headcanon, Goku said Cell in general, not 'That specific weaker version of Cell rather than the latest one'.

>>531232793
>Toyotaro is the best in term of copying Toriyama style
What the fuck are you talking about? Toyotaro's style doesn't look even CLOSE to Toriyama's.

>>531232793
If you hate multiverse so much why did you readthe version that doesn't have pictures?

>>531232986
I didn't, I just learned that from the youtube video linked above and I'm shocked at the stupidity of it.

>>531232182
>Buu arc character's aren't actually that much stronger than Cell arc characters, if you took the strongest Cell arc character (Gohan), gave him his last, climatic power up (SS2) again (SS2x2) and then you gave him that power up a third time (SS2x4 = SS3) he would beat one of the weakest forms of Buu arc's villain

>>531233160
People tend to forget that Gohan was so much above everyone else at that point, he basically one shotted Super Perfect Cell while wounded, exhausted, demoralized, one fucked up arm and with less than half his ki left the second he actually let go.

>>531232952
That's what Shueisha said when they hired him, I'm just taking them at their word.

>>531230695
DBM Vegetto is so high maintenance. What a joke.

>>531232564
>We're talking about a Goku who was weaker than a Cell Jr
Goku didn't eat a senzu before Cell Jrs attacked, Cell spells out Goku is too weak, and talks like Vegeta and Trunks are putting up a better fight than him.

Goku did get stronger after 7 years of training, and Vegeta says his SS2 is stronger than Gohan's, while Piccolo says "about as strong as Gohan back then... No, even stronger!", so the difference is noticeable, but not too big.

>Also Toriyama basically said End of Z Goku was stupidly OP to the point he couldn't think of a way to make anything stronger at the time (Literally Kid Buu level in Base).
IIRC he said that about post Cell saga Goku... Newer transformations are how he kept up with Buu.

>>531232793
>Wanna hear the funniest part? That shit is only mentioned in the novel version despite clearly being in play in the manga itself too. This ATROCIOUS storytelling.
Vegetto's universe got countless special chapters too, couldn't one of them establish this?

>>531233968
>while Piccolo says "about as strong as Gohan back then... No, even stronger!", so the difference is noticeable, but not too big.
Literally every time we got a statement like that in the Namek saga, the character had just become like 50 times stronger. That's just not how DB does stuff.
>and talks like Vegeta and Trunks are putting up a better fight than him.
They still ended up slowly losing while the Cell Jrs were fucking around and laughing.
>Newer transformations are how he kept up with Buu.
Vegeta with the same forms outside SSJ3 didn't keep up with shit. DB was always clear you get stronger in base before doing anything with forms.

>>531233968
>IIRC he said that about post Cell saga Goku...
Nope, that would make no sense because he very much made things stronger than post Cell Goku, just look at Buu or Vegito. He was talking about why he ended stuff at the point he did.

>>531239440
Cool clip

Toei animation projects FY2026: September 28, 2025–September 26, 2026
>New/Library IPS for world: 2 Movies , 9 Series
>Existing IPs for world 2 Movies , 4 Series
>Existing IPs for Japan 5 Movies , 7 Series
>New/Library IPs for Japan: 4 Movies , 7 Series
any guesses on what IPs are those projects? and how many (if any) of them are Dragon Ball?

>>531245986
Toei hates Dragon Ball and literally gave it CGIslop the last time they were forced to make a movie out if it and Shueisha hates Dragon Ball even more and would rather let it sit back and collect dust while they take all the money they make from DBL and Dokkan and launder to One Piece. But that's just my personal feelings given how the franchise has been treated since the Super anime.

The logical answer is that they're still warring over the rights and if anything was in production Akio would have hinted at "something" by now and we'd be seeing more of him.

>>531245986
Unlikely but it seems Toei is unaffected by the rights dispute so it's possible.

>>531245986
>and how many (if any) of them are Dragon Ball?
all of them

>>531245986
>2 world movies
We get worldwide-released movies every 4 years. DBS Broly was in '18, Super Hero was in '22 and next year it'll be 2026.

Plus there were rumors and stuff about there being another movie in production after Superhero.

>>531246552
>all of them
Insanely based

>>531232793
>Wanna hear the funniest part? That shit is only mentioned in the novel version despite clearly being in play in the manga itself too. This ATROCIOUS storytelling.
Holy fuck are you serious

>>531252548
>Holy fuck are you serious
Yes. They never tell you at any point outside the novel that Vegito is 100% dependent on senzu beans to recover any amount of power at all and to not starve.

>>531252759
Ignoring how bloody stupid that is from the start, not actually establishing such a thing is a whole level beyond retarded. Fucking pisscakes, just when I think this can't surprise me any further...

>>531253050
The worst part is that it's not established but it's still in play in the actual main manga so there's this entire very important point related to Vegito's very survival that's just indirectly alluded to and you're left wondering why Vegito keep bitching about being hungry, asking for senzus and somehow never recuperating from being tired or using any energy.
Now that I know that, I guess the intent for the obviously evil senzu bean was that Vegito was just legitimately starving so hard, he didn't give a shit it was an obvious trap anymore, which just make it all the more stupid.

>>531205729
replying to that post and identifying yourself in less than 120 seconds is not helping your case... yikes...

>>531254353
>yikes...
Bluesky is that way.

>>531220196
Budokai 4 would flop. It's gotta be FighterZ 2, or nothing. There's a reason the Budokai HD Collection flopped so spectacularly that they've never bothered doing another HD *anything* Collection.

>>531230695
this is exceptionally dumb, even by fanfic standards.

>>531205598
If he wasn't here the threads would be 20x better easily.

>>531254937
I'm pretty sure he got bullied off /a/, because he's constantly accusing other people of having been bullied off /a/.

>>531254937
Yeah, you really shouldn't be here anymore.

>Last cope get blown the fuck out
>Come back hours later to try again
>Get blown the fuck out again
>Start samefagging
You're not even being subtle.

>>531254536
DB never flops. It's a myth.
>>531254709
Salagir really likes inventing limitation on ki, power and strength while putting none of it on magic for some ungodly reason.

I bet Salagir did that to Vegito because he's still seething with rage at the fact Vegito no selled an OP magic ability.

>>531254709
>>531253050
Why is it dumb?

>>531253431
That explains what he meant in pic related...

But this just makes him more retarded. If he needs senzu like a diabetic needs insulin, he should tell that to the organizers and send someone back when it's time to sleep, get a few senzus, and come back, he had two days to do this.

>>531256216
Being smart or having common sense is purely reserved for shitty OP OCs and reddit 'I fucking love science' / 'Rational Man' moments.
> If he needs senzu like a diabetic needs insulin
That's a great way to sum up Vegito's condition.

>>531256216
>I don't wanna deal with this
>Great, I wanted an excuse for a rematch!
Is he bipolar? Elder Kaioshin WAS providing him with an excuse.
Why does even still care about the tournament? He's not even in it anymore.

>>531256216
Vegito is so out of character. I wonder if the personality transfers to Goku and Vegeta if they use the Dragon Balls to split Vegito.

>>531255841
>I bet Salagir did that to Vegito because he's still seething with rage at the fact Vegito no selled an OP magic ability.
If Salagir wrote this part
>Vegetto gets turned into a candy ball
>Cannot do anything
>Gets eaten and absrbed
>The supreme kais from inside majin Buu defuse him
>Bejita temporarily breaks free, gains a massive powerboost from the fusion (he just does... OKAY) goes full ruthless and blows himself up saving everyone inside except Goku who gets blown up because he was right besides Bejita
>Bejita is regarded as a hero instead of mr Satan while gokek is forgotten

>>531256173
Because Moro is a trillion times stronger than DBM Vegetto, and he didn't need to eat a small moon's worth of Senzu to restore his power. Salagir is just glazing.

>>531256925
Goku and Vegeta might just kill themselves given the absolute borefest Vegito turned the universe into.

>>531257403
It's surprisingly self-aware that Beerus was utterly bored and uninterested by the tournament when he cameo'd in DBM.

>>531256506
>Being smart or having common sense is purely reserved for shitty OP OCs and reddit 'I fucking love science' / 'Rational Man' moments.
Like the Namekian OC, or the Za Warudo OC, or the villain OC...

>That's a great way to sum up Vegito's condition.
Thanks!

While silly, I don't think it's a big issue for a single senzu to have some limits and be incapable of restoring someone too powerful to full power (That does make them less magical however), but Vegetto being so dependent on them to exist is pathetic...

>>531256680
>Is he bipolar?
Yes, and it's Goku's fault I bet.

>Why does even still care about the tournament? He's not even in it anymore.
Same reason the tournament was still running after so many rampages...

>>531257269
>Bejita temporarily breaks free, gains a massive powerboost from the fusion (he just does... OKAY) goes full ruthless and blows himself up saving everyone inside except Goku who gets blown up because he was right besides Bejita
Somehow everyone except Goku surviving despite them being within explosion range doesn't feel bad enough for DBM...

>>531258042
>doesn't feel bad enough for DBM...
Videl was pregnant with Pan and miscarried, there's your edge.
Also Pan was probably Vegeta's daughter somehow.

>>531258042
>the Za Warudo OC,
That OC wasn't even smart, he just had an unexplained OP ability that's a JoJo reference without actually working like Dio's move.
>While silly, I don't think it's a big issue for a single senzu to have some limits and be incapable of restoring someone too powerful to full power
That's not the problem there though. The dumb part is that Vegito need them so much, them essentially being his ONLY real food source AND somehow not being able to just recuperate ANY strength on his own.

>>531258042
>Same reason the tournament was still running after so many rampages...
Now that I think about it, why didn't they cancel the whole thing after the first rampage? The bird guys were just doing that for fun, they have no reason to keep it going after realizing it was legitimately dangerous.

remember when vegito killed kid buu with vegeta's technique™? amazing how even in vegito's own backstory chapter he settled things in the most lame way possible

>>531258716
>remember when vegito killed kid buu with vegeta's technique™?
AKA the worst possible technique to do it.

So UI omen DBM Goku loses to time stop? SSB KK Goku and Jiren broke through that.

>>531258798
>So UI omen DBM Goku loses to time stop?
It's closer to "Mystic Goku but he fights like UI Omen for some reason' but yes.
> SSB KK Goku and Jiren broke through that.
DBM Goku would legit lose to Cell Saga Goku from the original manga, dude is still weaker than Freeza in base.

>>531258716
isn't that a special technique Vegetto uses to disintegrate Buu's cells so he can't regenerate? cause he's not throwing ki blasts, it looks like he's just punching holes through him.

>>531259071
>isn't that a special technique Vegetto uses to disintegrate Buu's cells so he can't regenerate?
What a retarded special technique to create when Ki already does it if you hit hard enough.
Also the obvious loophole of being canceled by just regenerating away from the hole the technique made.

>>531255678
>Salagir really likes inventing limitation on ki, power and strength while putting none of it on magic for some ungodly reason.
The only limit he put to magic are healing ones. Namekian magic can't heal Vegetto or Gast (Ignoring Gohan is around Gast's level, and Dende healed him no issues... And Gast can heal himself somehow), and senzu being weaker than ever as Vegetto and Bra need to eat multiple ones to fully heal.

>>531258163
The surviving characters should all become ruthless to honor Vegeta too!

>>531258379
>That OC wasn't even smart, he just had an unexplained OP ability that's a JoJo reference without actually working like Dio's move.
True! He considers XXI to be the most dangerous one there and didn't kill him first.

>That's not the problem there though. The dumb part is that Vegito need them so much, them essentially being his ONLY real food source AND somehow not being able to just recuperate ANY strength on his own.
Yes, I pointed that out! DBM Vegetto is too high maintenance.

>>531258563
>Broly
>Buu
>Babidi
>Buu again
>Za Warudo
There's no reason to continue it, the Kaioshins even agree that traveling between universes is too dangerous, yet they keep this tournament going, for no reason as it doesn't benefit them at all.

>>531259071
if that was a thing, it was mentioned after the fact in a novelization somewhere because the comic itself just presents it as him blasting buu to death

>>531259437
The left to right reading order makes me want to puke

>>531259404
>for no reason as it doesn't benefit them at all.
It really benefits nobody in the end, the reader least of all.
>Yes, I pointed that out! DBM Vegetto is too high maintenance.
I know, I was just clarifying what I was complaining about.

>>531258950
Thats weird since EoZ Goku and GT Base Goku should be equal to Kid Buu and Super base Goku is far beyond Buuhan.

>Detective piccolo image

>>531259787
Fuck, I keep forgetting DBM Goku is supposed to be a Post-EoZ Goku. Dude feels so weak, you'd think he was Cell Saga Goku or Goku when he trained on Yardrat.

>>531260057
I haven't read multiverse but if you showed me that Goku without any prior knowledge I'd think he was a post Buu Goku. EoZ Goku is supposed to be a legendary giga untouchable fighter. He had a lot of what the kids call "aura".
He's supposed to be a master of martial arts that retires into a master Roshi position.

>>531260057
Not gonna lie, everything in DBM feels weak to me, I don't know why.

>Ribrianne one-shots DBM
>Cabba one-shots DBM
>GT Goten one-shots DBM
>Pan one-shots DBM

>>531259437
it's from Chapter 11, when Zen Buu followed Broly into deep space in an attempt to absorb him, but was instead confronted by Vegetto.

>>531260558
Probably because they still treat Super Saiyan 3 like the pinnacle of power, and it hasn't been a Top 5 form for a decade. Also cause they just keep batting around the same DBZ and movie villains, instead of anything from DBS or GT.

>>531261445
>Buu can still just spread-regen
Still think that technique is pointless.

>>531261346
Base DBS Goten one shot's DBM kek. I'd argue because of the downscaling they give everyone canon Z Goten could one shot them.

>>531261732
I like Goten's outfit in that movie. Less cool than Gohan's white one but still cool.
>>531261575
>Probably because they still treat Super Saiyan 3 like the pinnacle of power,
I don't think that's the issue because the Buu saga still feel pretty powerful when I rewatch it while DBM just doesn't.
The 'batting around the same Z and Movie villains' feels closer to the truth tho.

>>531261346
I feel like even Kuu would overpower most of the cast.
He'd definitely ACTUALLY outsmart most of the "smart" characters.

Daima Goku was also after the Buu saga and he trained really hard, while DBM Goku seems to be the weakest of all.

>>531262152
>Daima Goku was also after the Buu saga and he trained really hard,
Honestly they did a good job making Daima Goku feel powerful. Toriyama really nailed it when he said 'Small but Powerful'.
> while DBM Goku seems to be the weakest of all.
DBM Goku is more than a post-Buu Goku, he's a post EoZ Goku.

Haven't read DBM. Does Goten my hero do anything cool? He's in a lot of the recent pages for some reason. It looks like they downgraded his EoZ hairstyle. Does he get SS2?

>>531262020
Well yeah, in the Buu Saga niggas were screaming and tearing apart the fabric of reality. lol

>>531262318
>he's a post EoZ Goku.
Which is all the more jarring because he doesn't feel all that stronger or even all that more skilled. "Super Saiyan Zero" for as much as it got hyped up ended up a wet fart when it actually mattered. It didn't come off as the villain being anything intimidating, strong, or all that clever when it jobbed, just that it was a sidegrade that barely mattered.

>>531262613
>Does Goten my hero do anything cool?
Nope.
>It looks like they downgraded his EoZ hairstyle.
They kinda did.
>Does he get SS2?
Nope.

>>531262872
>Which is all the more jarring because he doesn't feel all that stronger or even all that more skilled
Because he isn't. He still can't beat Namek Freeza without SSJ.
>It didn't come off as the villain being anything intimidating, strong, or all that clever when it jobbed, just that it was a sidegrade that barely mattered.
Pretty much what it was really, it only stood out because it fought kinda like UI Omen in the ONE good fight Goku had in that entire fanmanga.
>>531262613
Lol no, he's fusion fodder for Gotenks and get one shotted by Bra.

>>531262613
>Does Goten my hero do anything cool?
He has two cool moments
>Coming back from a bathroom break where he sees everyone surrounded by Cell Jrs, attacks them, gets slapped for it but that gives Gohan a chance to kill them
>Pic related

Otherwise he's fusion fodder... He's not even Trunks' sidekick in it since Trunks does even less here.

>>531263524
>Uub hesitating
>When he essentially curbstomped Goku
Bruh.

>>531263208
>Because he isn't. He still can't beat Namek Freeza without SSJ.
BoG does suggest Goku still isn't capable of doing that, and Goku doesn't disagree when Beerus points that out.

Though that was post-Buu still, EoZ Goku (Even without DBS stuff), could be strong enough to defeat Freeza in base. It's not confirmed or anything but you can get that vibe from it.

>>531263702
He's doing the reverse jobber thumb. Show a lack of confidence and you'll win. XXI did the same when he was talking like Goku was the perfect warrior and he may not win the fight.

>>531264075
>He's doing the reverse jobber thumb. Show a lack of confidence and you'll win.
Oh god, it's the Kengan jobber hex technique! Uub really mastered some dark magic.
Good thing Goten hit him with a double thumb pose so Goku could still win.
>XXI did the same when he was talking like Goku was the perfect warrior and he may not win the fight.
Fuck, XXI hit Goku with a 'too strong to win' hex.

GT Base Goku is equal to Kid Buu
GT Goku using only basic Super Saiyan was able to kill someone stronger than Kid Buu.

Also GT SS Goten fought pretty well against Baby who is Buu tier too.

>>531264075
>BoG does suggest Goku still isn't capable of doing that
It doesn't, Beerus just say Goku doesn't look like he could beat Freeza at all, because he just saw a goofy dude with a smile on Whis's staff.
>and Goku doesn't disagree when Beerus points that out.
Goku wasn't even in the room when Beerus said that and he also said 'You sure you want me to transform? You'll get hurt', they were just shit talking.

please no. not the power level debates again...

>>531264524
Nobody brought up power levels but you.

>>531263524
>>531263208
>>531263083
Just another work that abandons Goten.

>>531261346
Nooooo my epic Super Saiyan Zero mogs though be it!!!

>>531264524
What about power level diabetes?

>>531266116
Enough about DBM Vegito.

>>531264252
>Oh god, it's the Kengan jobber hex technique! Uub really mastered some dark magic.
Salagir was really showing Uub's magical talent for him to do this unintentionally.

>Good thing Goten hit him with a double thumb pose so Goku could still win.
So that's why Uub's Hex failed... He still hadn't perfected it, while Goten has mastered the jobber arts.

>Fuck, XXI hit Goku with a 'too strong to win' hex.
Someone has been hitting Vegetto with that offscreen. Meanwhile Bra is immune to it.

>>531264446
>Goku wasn't even in the room when Beerus said that
Beerus said that directly to Goku after poking him for a bit.

It is possible Beerus was wrong in his assumption about Goku's base power, but Beerus having that line at all can indicate Goku hasn't gotten that strong yet, which isn't far fetched, if post-Buu Goku is as strong in base as when he used 20x Kaioken, he still wouldn't be stronger than Freeza.

>>531267259
>which isn't far fetched,
It is actually far fetched, make no sense and is utterly retarded.
>It is possible Beerus was wrong in his assumption about Goku's base power
It's not possible, it's a fact.
>but Beerus having that line at all can indicate
If you're absolutely braindead and don't pay any attention logic or context, maybe. Just like Freeza telling SSJ Goku he's inferior to him can indicate Freeza could actually one shot SSJ Goku if you're a moron.

>>531267259
>Bro, Post-Buu Saga Goku would just get one shotted by Base Goten, it totally make sense, bro.
Please tell me you're just trolling.

People really forget how massive powerjumps in DB are. SSJ Trunks's sword literally broke on impact when it touched 18's skin despite slicing through a stronger Freeza like it was air.
Like we got materials 10 times more resistant than steel and even they wouldn't just insta break something that easily cut through steel.
Yet by the end of the arc, everyone can one shot her and it's not even because they got bigger multipliers.

>>531269838
The only multiplier jump in that entire saga was Gohan's SSJ2 so all the gains in it are base form gains, no?

>>531270576
I'm very confused

I think Goku would be pretty good at Yu-Gi-Oh.

>>531268797
>If you're absolutely braindead and don't pay any attention logic or context, maybe. Just like Freeza telling SSJ Goku he's inferior to him can indicate Freeza could actually one shot SSJ Goku if you're a moron.
Freeza is making a biased point about Goku still being weaker than him, and the fight itself shows he's wrong. Beerus doesn't really care about Freeza or Goku, and just had his doubts that Goku was strong enough in base to beat Freeza before seeing Goku's transformation.

>>531269027
I don't see how base Goten is too much for even Freeza too...

I can go either way about Goku or Goten being above Freeza in base or not, so whatever, my entire point is that Beerus' line can indicate that.

>>531269838
Power levels are just weird, Vegeta with a 24k power level casually overwhelmed Cui who was sitting at 18k, this isn't even a 1.5x difference, but it's enough for Cui to get the jobber treatment, and later Dodoria as well, who probably was at around 20k.

>>531272401
>I don't see how base Goten is too much for even Freeza too...
He was capable of fighting somewhat evenly with 18 while in base AND handicapped by essentially being a kid on top of another kid in a trench coat.

>>531272401
>Power levels are just weird,
There's no power level in the Android Saga and it just means power level are exponential, not linear.
Same reason 18K can blow up a planet when the normal human power level is 5 and it take a lot more than 4K humans to output enough power to destroy the earth.

>>531272401
>Beerus doesn't really care about Freeza or Goku
Beerus worked with Freeza and clearly thought of him as a competent underling to some extent, meanwhile Goku just looks like a goofy bumpkin and get underestimated, it's the whole point.

>>531271969
What deck would he play?

>>531273656
He'd play Vampire, coming back to fight more would fit his mindset..

>>531271969
I don't think Goku would have the patience for its rules and strategies.

If he did though, I wonder what kind of deck he would use.

>>531272951
18 notes Mighty Mask is strong but she had the edge and wasn't fighting seriously while Trunks was panicking (Granted, he kept saying he couldn't move well), nor was she worried about his strength even while noting he's strong, she was only worried after Trunks turned super saiyan and shot that ki blast.

Base form or as super saiyans, honestly nuts Trunks and Goten are stronger than the androids... Goten kept telling Trunks to not go full power with his ki blast and it still scared the crap out of 18.

>>531273454
Never thought of it that way.

>>531274559
>I don't think Goku would have the patience for its rules and strategies.
I'm mostly talking about how the game is played in the anime, I honestly can't tell what the fuck is happening in a modern yu gi oh turn in a real life.
In the anime, it's a game you play with your heart first and foremost.
Just look at Jonouchi after all.
>If he did though, I wonder what kind of deck he would use.
I imagine something battle phase focused but with a good backrow of traps (they are a good equivalent to counters). I imagine he'd be a bit light on spells tho.
I'd say War Rock if they weren't such a weak archetype.

>>531274559
>>531275324
He could play Tenpai but it'd be almost purely for the Shenron reference I guess.

>>531275324
>In the anime, it's a game you play with your heart first and foremost.
In the anime you're considered skilled if you pull the card you need right? I guess Goku would train by doing that.

I wonder if Goku would be someone who tries to conserve life points, since he likes saving his stamina if possible when fighting.

>>531275824
>In the anime you're considered skilled if you pull the card you need right?
More like drawing the right cards is considered a skill you can train, with a character even specializing at that in GX.
Still your heart is generally the safest bet to have stuff turn in your favor.
>since he likes saving his stamina if possible when fighting.
Stamina here would be more akin to your deck / card pile than your HP IMO and the best way to do that is using your graveyard as a second hand, which a lot of archetypes can do nowadays.

>>531275824
>In the anime you're considered skilled if you pull the card you need right?
You would be surprised how much of the Yu-Gi-Oh anime is just two niggas trying to out-cheat each other. There's a nigga in Zexal whose power is literally being able to draw whatever card he wants at any point in the duel–and he doesn't even have a Millenium item. lol
And he gets smoked by the protagonist's 7D chess play that pushes one of his monsters up to like 70,000 ATK points. lmao

>>531276528
>There's a nigga in Zexal whose power is literally being able to draw whatever card he wants at any point in the duel
It was more than that, that fucker could CREATE any card he wanted to draw. Dude didn't even need to actually have it in the deck.
>You would be surprised how much of the Yu-Gi-Oh anime is just two niggas trying to out-cheat each other.
The entire first part of Yami vs Yami Bakura was basically both of them cheating super hard before having both agreeing 'We're way too good at cheating so we'll be here forever doing that so let's just play legit'.

Spoilers for the Superman movie but
Find it funny how in DB Minus, Goku was retconned into being a straight up copy of Superman's story where he was sent to Earth to live and survive. And now I'm the new movie Superman was retconned into being a copy of Goku's story where he was sent to Earth to take over
It's like poetry

I wish there was a game with flashy, cinematic attacks like DBL, but with more waifus. What franchise would even be good for that? Pretty Cure? I saw a clip where like 70 Pretty Cure beat the dog shit out of a gigantic, shadowy, fiend woman. Apparently they get shit shaking in that anime. lol

>>531278445
Isn't that the same thing that new Superman cartoon is doing? I was into that shit till they made Kara bootleg Anissa from Invincible and had her bouncing on Jimmy Olsen's negro dick.

>>531278659
I dunno I wasn't interested in the cartoon outside of Lois's design

>>531278659
>Kara
That Kara kinda looks like 18 when she's in her civve clothes.

>>531271113
squats and oats and one gallon of milk per day

>>531279037
That shit was also SUPER ass. Straight creatively bankrupt, copying Invincible and DBZ with the same character.

>>531278659
>and had her bouncing on Jimmy Olsen's negro dick.
They made Jimmy black again?

>>531281571
Yeah. And Slade Willson is a pretty boy. And Lex Luther is a nerd with hair.

>>531278445
Is it really a "retcon" when like three different Elseworlds stories have tried the same thing?

>>531281571
Yeah. I was trying to be a good sport about it, till they had Kara swooning over him. Then I got tilted. lol

>>531282001
I don't mind Slade being a pretty boy, cause I think it gives him a high pedestal to fall from when he becomes full-blown Deathstroke, and that could be a neat twist on his character.

>>531256506
>reddit 'I fucking love science' / 'Rational Man' moments
This is the core of the issue with DBM and a lot of fanfic writers, as well as this part of the French fanbase. They think they're smarter and better for applying basic common sense and Reddit science to Dragon Ball, but they're dumber than the kid watching Dragon Ball for burly men fighting each other and screaming. It's the midwit meme.

For fuck sake he had Buu show his """big brain""" by discussing wave particles duality. And then they spout some retarded shit about DARK DIMENSION MATTER or whatever.

>>531258716
>>531259437
>>531261445
This is another retarded headcanon by Salagir. He thinks pic related is "a unique Vegeto technique that can destroy Buu, which Goku and Vegeta took 20 years to learn btw" and not just... a random Kiai.

>>531259787
>>531260558
They made it very clear that Gohan is stronger than Goku and Vegeta will ever get lmao

>>531262613
>Does he get SS2?
No, they make it very clear he sucks....

>>531292194
On the other hand, he DOES get one or two heroic moments showing his guts. This part is fine I guess.

He jobs to women Bojack warriors in the Bra special because le strong independent females

Post-DBZ style Toriyama art is so terrible.

i need them to add Duu to Sparking, and i need his Ultimate to be this scene plus they both throw Super Kamehameha's at the opponent, and i need Duu's Super Kamehameha to be green.

>>531292853
Lol the last dlc with shallot was just reused animations and you think they'll make something like that, especially for a dead game nobody plays?

>>531293001
i have to hope... but in a way, maybe you're right. maybe that's more of a Dragon Ball Legends Legendary Finish or SDBH team-up ultra sort of concept.

>>531291304
>It's the midwit meme
really is, trying to staple "cerebral" concepts to something that's never had them is peak 90iq behavior. the dumber would never think to attempt something like it and the smarter would know that even if he did want to make a fanfic with that concept in mind it could never supersede the core character interactions and fight choreography.

I honestly can't believe how badly they bungled Sparking Zero, FighterZ lasted for at least 4 years Sparking Zero couldn't even last 1.

why didn't freeza just use death slicer better. was he retarded?

>>531295643
>was he retarded?
at that particular moment? yes
he was so utterly booty blasted by super saiyan goku outclassing him that he completely tunnel visioned

>>531292853
I don't like team ultimates (when they aren't tied to actual team composition), I want him to have an attack of his own.

>>531295427
Spike played the Nostalgia Card and people fell for it, without realizing it's not the same Spike anymore and they're the same devs who made Jump F*rc*

fusions 2

>>531292853
I want that form for majins in xenoverse 2.
just call it majin super saiyan.

>>531312980
that would be cool. i'm surprised nobody made that after the episode dropped.

>>531145514
One thing I don't like about the idea of all the Namekians fusing into a super strong Namekian warrior is that it means they're such shitters they need to literally combine their entire species' strength just to stand a chance against some guy who achieved the same level of power naturally, and then there are guys stronger than all of them combined. That's less cool abd more insulting in my eyes.

>>531187690
But /dbs/ told me Heroes was peak Dragon Ball...

>>531291304
I think this is fun. Fanfiction is allowed to deviate from source material and go in different directions. Kais are a thing that exists in-universe. You can focus a little on how they perceive the world and what they think, and that will inevitably involve mentions of some sci-fi shit because of their status as overseers of the universe. Why not, it's fanfiction. Like, when I read DBM I thought one of the worst things was the uninspired rehashing of some of the movies and arcs but from what I gather anons ITT probably thought that was the best part and the worst parts were whenever the comic was doing something actually creative because you associate it with some imaginary rationalist reddit atheists you're fighting in your head or whatever.

Like, there's literally nothing egregiously wrong with this page. It's annoying how a lot of times the default reaction to a piece of media trying something creative is this insecurity of "oh you think you're better than us huh??? well you're not!!" I will never knock a work for trying out a creative idea (unless they're barely even trying like when GT insisted Goku is in any way to blame for whatever the Shadow Dragons chose to do with no elaboration)

>>531323739
It's not bad because of reddit atheists or whatever. It's bad on its own. It's trying to build an idea that the writer cannot handle because he's an amateur. This translates into shitty dialogues that feel written by a teenager who just read about quantum physics for the first time.
It also doesn't fit Dragon Ball in the first place. You can do new things that still fit Dragon Ball. It's also part of the main plot, which aims to be a Dragon Ball sequel, not one of these special chapters that are different in style and writing.

The omnipotent, nihilistic god Buu is already at odds with Dragon Ball and the way it treats these subjects. Just look at Zeno-sama and Old Kaioshin. But it's even worse the moment you see the way they made that happen was by having them discuss babby's first schrodinger moment, atoms, and MUH WARS MUH FREE WILL. DBM isn't doing scifi, it's doing a knockoff budget version of it that nobody with critical thinking can take seriously. It doesn't get more fanfiction than this.

>>531324746
Not that anon, but in short i should keep it simple if i ever wrote Dragon Ball fanfiction?

>>531324949
I'm not advocating for hard rules that would apply 100% of the time. In fact I liked some of the more serious parts of DBM, especially the Gast special chapters. Pic related. It's basically just "Dragon Ball but Star Wars lmao" but it's easy to dissociate from the usual Dragon Ball setting the way it's written, and with the very different (but competent) art. This is a decent way to handle it, as long as you don't pretend too hard this fits the "regular" Dragon Ball universe (because it doesn't)

If you want to be more faithful to the way Dragon Ball is written then yes you should have some self-awareness as a writer and avoid being overindulgent. You can get serious, like Toriyama did on Namek by showing dark things, but you need to keep the tone and pacing right so that it doesn't become melodrama and a different kind of work. Dragon Ball can get serious and tragic but it has its own way to do it, it's very different from what the fanfictions do.

Basically I'm saying you don't have to write Zeno-samas and make everything a joke like modern Toriyama did, but at the very least if you're trying to be in line with Dragon Ball then pay attention to the tone the manga had over the years and don't deviate too much from it.

The Yamcha isekai did it really well, NTR chapter excluded maybe.

>>531270357
All of the grades are multiplier jumps. Base forms did get a lot higher too.

>>531292289
>My HERO is unafraid of massive power differences
Yup YUP

>>531269838
Anon comparing a body's resistance based on fictional spiritual energy with irl materials is retarded
Also in DB a reaaaaaaally small numerical difference makes a massive difference, early Namek Vegeta was only 1,3 times stronger than Cui and was virtually invincible for him

>>531324746
I still don't see anything wrong with it. It's name-dropping these concepts rather than delving into them exactly because it's Dragon Ball and it's not meant to delve into them deeper than that. You're treating it like simply including those things at all puts some obligation on the author to write a thesis paper on them, which is just silly. It shows a different part of the setting that we normally don't get to see, and if you put thought into it those things would inevitably pop up in conversation in that part of the setting in one way or another. It's not trying to make any statement, it's there to make the world feel real rather than a backdrop for the action. And the free will thing is a classic philosophical dillema, it's fitting for this context. Then again, from your tone I guess you think this subject matter is inherently pseud and not worth discussing because you have a simple clear-cut answer for it or something.

>>531330103
>some obligation on the author to write a thesis paper on them, which is just silly
No. I'm criticizing the author for namedropping concepts taken from all over the place, from the most entry level, superficial scifi shit, and putting them in a universe where they don't belong. It doesn't make the world feel more real, it's the exact opposite: it makes it feel like a fanfiction. Free will is a decent subject to discuss, just not with a writer like Salagir and probably not in a Dragon Ball story.

After playing Naruto Storm 4, I realized Kakarot’s models aren’t really that bad. I mean they’re pretty rough and some can be hard to look at, especially during those non cinematic cutscenes, but Naruto’s look really rough too. Only the demon slayer games have actually good models.


CC2 isn’t really known for its model quality though. What makes them good are visual effects and their animation skills. I think Kakarot had some pretty lame explosions, but other than that the VFX and animations were 100% solid.

>>531330525
But it's not even trying to be particularly smart, it's just giving examples of the things these characters could talk about. I still don't see an issue with that, and this is a really insignificant thing to criticize in the grand scale of the comic.

>>531331306
The comic is utterly OBSESSED with the idea of rationalizing all of the simple/magic stuff anon that's the issue and this is just part of it. It fucking LOVES its aliens and super tech. It's not just a huge issue because Buu mindrapes Kaioshin with bad scifi, but because it encompasses everything about the way Salagir writes. Pic related is a first example

>>531331790
Pic related makes it very obvious, if you don't see the issue at that point I can't make it much clearer for you. Meanwhile Toriyama would put rabbits on the moon and have Roshi destroy it to save Manwolf because it's funny

>>531332057
>Roshi destroy it to save Manwolf
First, that's not how it happened.
Second, these are bad comparisons because these things existed in the story at a certain point and would not be appropriate when the story got more serious, which is why they got quietly phased out. In fact, we have a canonical example of Toriyama trying to bring whimsical gags like this back into the story at a late point with Gotenks vs Super Buu, which is widely regarded as a tonal whiplash among all the serious stakes and drama. There's a time and a place for everything.

>>531332057
I think this fits the "it's stupid but it's cool" part of dragon ball.
>>531291806
I thought that was a ki blast that moved so fast you couldn't see it instead of a kiai.

>two of these are called Super Saiyan 4, but no it's not the pair with black hair
>two of these are achieved in a similar fashion as SSG, but no it's not the pair with red hair
What a mess

>>531332992
>First, that's not how it happened.
Yes actually it was Roshi hypnotizing Manwolf to see a moon in Krillin's head

>Second, these are bad comparisons because these things existed in the story at a certain point and would not be appropriate when the story got more serious
Gags aside, you'd NEVER see Toriyama write trash like pic related. It's not about gags, it's about retarded infodumps that don't mean anything and weren't ever supposed to make sense. The furthest Toriyama will go is have Cell claim he can destroy the solar system in order to make the Kamehameha scene feel more dramatic and scary. He wouldn't start explaining the mechanics behind it.

>>531333167
The worst part is that it looks like a progression
>monkey man with red fur and normal hair
>monkey man with red fur and red highlights
>monkey man with red fur and red mane
>monkey man with red fur, red mane, red eyes and monkey arms
But no there are just two SS4s and one of them has two superior versions that look incomplete compared to the other one. Say what you want about god forms but I'm pretty sure any normie gets "okay so after yellow, Goku goes red and then blue"

>>531331790
Is that Bejita SS3? At least they're using the raging blast design. Imagine if they made their own shit design like Daima did.

Salagir's favourite song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RECuQaaGGfA

>>531333349
>The furthest Toriyama will go is have Cell claim he can destroy the solar system in order to make the Kamehameha scene feel more dramatic and scary.
NTA but Toriyama had that moment in saiyan saga were Vegeta explains in science fiction ways why a saiyan transforms into an Oozaru when in full moon... And while it was an odd moment, it was there just to explain why Vegeta can transform without the moon.

>>531335812
SS3 Vegeta from Raging Blast looks so much better, it's not even funny.

>>531335957
Next page he thanks Goku for listening to him, this was stalling.
Besides, just compare these things. Vegeta is just describing something meant to be cool, not to be scientific. Salagir actually thinks about LE SCIENCE and density and thinks he's clever for it, Toriyama only cared about having a nice scene.

>>531335957
That moment gave good tonal whiplash. It made you as the viewer realize "whoa these guys really do know a lot more about their race than Goku does". There's a time and a place for it.

>>531331790
>Pic related is a first example
The explanation on the very next page "Only beings from out universe can use universal travel and we don't know why". And Multiversefags talk like this is a well written fanfic.

>>531336456
its because they are the Prime timeline, acording to Salagir DB is not the real timeline, HIS is

>>531336456
This is an even better example

They just NEED to remind the reader about SCALING and RELATIVE SPEEDS and TIERS all the fucking time

HEY GUYS NAPPA WOULD GET ONESHOTTED BY GOHAN

>>531336456
>Me when the obvious plot required retardation contains plot required retardation

>>531291304
>It's the midwit meme.
You put it perfectly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq9WJM-LiWo
Has this ever played in an episode of Dragon Ball? It was in every 90s anime.

>>531291806
>He thinks pic related is "a unique Vegeto technique that can destroy Buu, which Goku and Vegeta took 20 years to learn btw" and not just... a random Kiai.
God, what a retard. It's so frustrating to know he probably thinks he's a genius for missing basic reading comprehension
>>531278659
>>531281571
Not gonna lie, that part pissed me off

>>531336196
>>531336310
Oh yes, I wasn't saying Toriyama and Salagir are remotely comparable in that regard. Toriyama made up the "17 million zenos" thing simply for Vegeta to be capable of transforming without the moon, even though Piccolo tried to prevent that, it was purely to raise the stakes, and show how little Goku knows of saiyans, like another anon said.

>>531336456
Then it's not meant to be scientific either, it's just a different flavor of plot device.

>>531336684
Nice Prime Timeline Salagir.

>>531337914
(Forgot pic related)

>HON HON HON I know my writing is stupid so you can't mock me for it!!! :^)

>>531338114
>This is in a Dragon Ball fancomic someone SWEARS is more truthful to the source material than Super and GT
Grimdark darky darkmax
Fucking dialogue made me cringe what the fuck is this?

>>531338114
>>531338335
I fucking hate this "self-aware" "smart" writing

WOOOOOOW GOOD JOB FRENCH RETARD YOU KNOW ABOUT COINCIDENCES I'M GLAD YOU CAN HIGHLIGHT THEM AND CALL YOUR OWN STORY STUPID

>>531338114
This is meant to be a joke about them being wrong so you can't even get offended at this from the perspective of muh religious outrage though

This is why Americans are superior to Fr*nch

>>531338817
Americans are some of the worst Dragon Ball fans around the globe but even they beat the bad side of the French community

>>531339050
There are a lot of Indian fans now. Just IMAGINE what garbage they will produce.

>>531338114
I can tell how religious and stupid Salagir is just from this page, this is "I don't know how scientists behave or even talk" 101, only thing missing is one of them saying science is their religion

>>531339631
Well he's certainly not a scientist or even a webdev based on the shit websites he made.

>>531334938
God bless Tori for saving SS4 tho, look at that chad next to those four frauds

>>531338814
>>531339631
He's calling himself "god" as the writer, which is... well not the best way to put it.

>>531323739
>I think this is fun. Fanfiction is allowed to deviate from source material and go in different directions.
Not to that extend and not in that way.
>>531324949
Keep it Dragon Ball. If it start sounding like a redditor name dropping stuff to sound smart or a textbook instead of a character having a galaxy brain moment, you failed.
Compare Gohan explaining the Super Sayant to the page above and you'll get the difference. If Gohan is dropping Galaxy Brain science, he should sound cheerful, enthusiastic and didactic, like a dad being overjoyed to share his hobby with his daughter.
If Bulma is dropping Galaxy Brain science, she should sound like a vapid bimbo while doing it.
If Pilaf is dropping Galaxy Brain science, he should sound like a petty brat while doing it.
None of that 'My good sir, take my upvote' smirking bullshit like that DBM page.

>>531339631
>Salagir is a devout christian
And I'm supposed to hate him?

>>531330103
>It's name-dropping these concepts rather than delving into them exactly because it's Dragon Ball and it's not meant to delve into them deeper than that.
That's not DB at all to just namedrop shit to show off, DB always only introduce stuff to use it with a brief, simple and easily understandable explaination.
It never goes 'yes yes, random bullshit...Yes, yes, irrelevant textbook term, I'm so smart'.

>>531340230
NTA but I'll add another thing that really summarizes my point about "science" in Dragon Ball...

1/2

>>531340230
>people are not allowed to just civilly discuss galaxy brain science with each other because reddit boogeyman

>>531340446
2/2

Notice how Bulma never elaborated on dumb useless science terms, no BLACK HOLE ENGINE, no bullshit, just... Kaio reading "hey, the coordinates are ABC123" from his goofy little book (funny!), Bulma being scared, then stating the trip would take too long. It's that simple

>>531329851
>Anon comparing a body's resistance based on fictional spiritual energy with irl materials is retarded
It's not, it's an exemple of how they are supposed to be way stronger to a stupid extend.
>Also in DB a reaaaaaaally small numerical difference makes a massive difference,
No, it doesn't, a small difference in POWER LEVEL make a big difference, from busting a car to destroying a moon, you only need to multiply your power level by 20, it doesn't mean it's only 20 times harder to destroy the moon, that's retarded.
Just like the Cui exemple doesn't mean that he's suddenly unable to see something 30% faster than him because Vegeta's actual speed gain is way higher.

>>531340261
No, poor guy already has his share of problems

>>531329851
>>531341160
There are no real rules about this because Toriyama never cared that much, Trunks still managed to kick Fat Buu because why not, Kaioshin tanked hits from Buu who was clearly more than 30% stronger than he was (fucking around or not) and so on

>>531337190
I think in GT and some filler

>>531339050
>but even they beat the bad side of the French community
The bad side of the french community are basically hood weebs. I call them marrakech weebs.

>>531340261
Yes
>>531339970
This

>>531343212
Marrakech weebs are better than the frogs I'm thinking of.

>>531340553
>Boring namedrop is muh galaxy brain
No.

>>531341664
Just from power levels alone, Goku became 15000 times stronger from his fight with Raditz to the Freeza, the idea he can't even become 10 times stronger from the Android Saga to End of Z is retarded. Especially since his growth rate is said to have went up since then, not down.

>>531344161
I don't think Toriyama cares too much about "1500" but from a story standpoint "10" is clearly attainable and he wouldn't shy away from such leaps, it's just that he wouldn't care about keeping it consistent and he would make another character catch up as needed if he wanted to

So yes, "10x stronger" is possible because it's the kind of stuff you expect from hot blooded shonen

>>531343501
Who are you thinking of then?

>>531344406
https://www.dragon-ball-z.eu/index.en.php

Just look at this stuff for instance https://www.dragon-ball-z.eu/these/Delires-Cosmiques.en.php

It's a very special kind of autism

>>531344670
>Toriyama was wrong about the moon
Toriyama literally dropped the exact IRL distance between the moon and earth to answer a fan's question.

>>531344161
The other way around, his growth went down, the 7th Daizenshuu literally says Goku and co growth relied (mostly) on transformations after Namek, in Super there are a few comments about how Goku and Vegeta are pretty much on their natural limits and they depend on learning to use their power better (and obviously transformations also help) and the lack of zenkais after Namek also makes logical Goku didn't get that stupidly stronger in base after Namek, you don't get absurd power ups like Goku becoming 30 times stronger in 6 days of training by abusing zenkais, at best he doubles his power in the RoSaT on top of learning to use a form better (or unlocks a new form), but those massive leaps in power are never seen again.
Toriyama himself made Beerus remark how base Goku is STILL weaker than Freeza 4 years after Buu unless he transforms into SS.

>>531345023
>The other way around, his growth went down,
Same Daizenshuu literally said Goku's power level has grown so exponentially fast since that his power is incalculable and that's why they didn't have more power levels after SSJ1 Goku on Namek.
You picked the worst source for that argument.

>>531345023
>Toriyama himself made Beerus remark how base Goku is STILL weaker than Freeza 4 years after Buu
Not what happened. He had Beerus underestimate Goku from seeing on Whis's staff, just like every single opponent Goku has faced, nothing else.

>>531345343
Yes, has grown with the use of transformations, not so much with his base form's improvement.

>>531345529
Yeah too bad that's not what happened, Beerus meet Goku in Kaio's planet and declared he couldn't beat Freeza, then when Goku transformed Beerus realized Goku was, in fact, strong enough to beat the lizard
You can cope all you want, but Toriyama wrote that BoG Goku needs SS to beat Namek Freeza, and that's normal considering the lack of zenkais in the manga after Namek

>>531346074
>Yes, has grown with the use of transformations
Make no sense because transformations are very much calculable and are included in the Daizenshuu so your interpretation of what was clearly written is just objectively false.

>>531346074
None of that means anything and will get retconned by any cool-sounding line Daizenshuus or writers find at the moment

>>531346074
>Yeah, too bad it contradict my headcanon, like every single piece of the Dragon Ball franchise
It's actually quite fortunate that your headcanon is wrong since it's an absolutely terrible idea.
Now fuck off Salagir.

>>531346367
>your interpretation
Except it's not my interpretation, it literally says Goku's significant power ups after Namek are his new forms, sorry you don't like it.

>>531346459
>will get retconned
How would it get retconned since it means nothing?

>>531346770
You're right, let me be more accurate.
>contradicted

>>531346732
>Except it's not my interpretation
Yeah, it was more like a complete failure to read but I wanted to be nice.
>sorry you don't like my faulty reading of a page that directly say word for word that I'm wrong
It's okay, you can just take online classes so you can learn to read like the rest of us.

>>531346862
I don't know how they'd contradict Beerus underestimating Goku the first time he saw him.

>>531346585
>B: I heard from Whis that you defeated Freeza.
>G: Freeza? Y-Yes that was definitely me.
>B: Seeing you as you are now I doubt you'd be able to. But it seems you power up by becoming a Super Saiyan.
>Kaio: That is correct. You are well informed.
Calling others Salagir because you forgot what Toriyama wrote isn't nice, anon. Projecting is also pretty nasty, nothing in the original manga suggests base Goku (Buu arc) is 50 times stronger than base Goku (Freeza arc), so base Goku being stronger than Freeza is, factually, indisputably headcanon. A headcanon Toriyama himself destroyed with BoG

>>531347684
>You forgot my complete inability to understand a scene
Nah, you've quite handily demonstrated it since the start of this discussion.

>>531347684
Buu arc has Vegeta say he's still stronger than everyone else in the tournament in base form including 18 and Piccolo.

It's not consistent. If you think there is a hard rule about these things you're a simpleton

>>531347684
>Factually
>Facts disprove it
>Indisputably
>Is disputed by everyone in the thread, everyone in the fanbase, everything in the manga, everything in the anime and everything in the video game
Fuck off, Salagir.

>>531348315
Might be the same guy defending awful DBM sciencedumps

>>531348313
>It's not consistent.
It's very consistent, he's just wrong and being willfully retarded about what the scene is saying.
He'd probably tell you Goku had to hold back SSJ3 and that's why he didn't hurt Beerus because he told Beerus he might get hurt if he goes SSJ3, instead of the obvious that Goku is underestimating Beerus just like Beerus underestimated him.

>>531346918
>haha you read that wrong no I mean you couldn't read I mean...
Ahem
>"Though the power-ups received after having wounds healed became small, Goku and co. began using transformations and fusions to increase their battle powers, to the point where they could no longer be measured numerically"
The zenkais that made Goku become 30 times stronger between fighting Vegeta and reaching Namek? Gone, no massive leaps like that anymore. Transformations and fusions? The only thing that matters after Namek.
Cope and seethe.

>>531348536
>It's very consistent
It's not
Toriyama never gave a shit about powerlevels
They let Piccolo go on Namek after like 2 weeks at Kaio's place for fuck sake

>>531348521
I think it's just a retard who's convinced he's only 'pretending to be retarded' and think that's what trolling is.

>>531348076
>>531348313
>>531348315
>not a single one of these sad cucks is able to prove Toriyama wrong (unsurprisingly)
I rest my case. Not like I didn't know you guys couldn't win, given you are trying to prove the author wrong.

>>531348808
You have less reading comprehension than a 10 years old

>>531348591
> A-ahem 'Zenkai became smaller but Goku became so much stronger that it can't be calculated'
So you were wrong, case closed.
>Please please please ignore Goku's training gains in the same saga or in previous sagas
So still massive leaps
>The only thing that matters are the very calculable forms that the Daizenshuu itself calculated because I said so
Sorry the Daizenshuu disagree with you.
>Stop making me cry
After you just got bullied into shooting your own argument dead? Lol, no.

>>531220937
Anime games have gotten better but st the same time not quite. They cel shade the models now, yeah, but VFX are still mostly ps3 tier, environments look like unreal slop tech demos, and the characters on a lot of these games are still not as expressive and vibrant as they are in their respective anime outside of pre-rendered opening cutscenes.

Bandai hires the same handful of studios and I think this comes from said studios not really requiring their developers to be experienced with this and FighterZ brought about a new era of fans that want the same level of visual quality that no team can match up to.

>>531348808
Is Toriyama what you call the voices in your head? Because Toriyama always said the exact opposite of your retardation.
>>531348630
It is consistent, Piccolo's giant jump is consistent with every other giant jump.
Consistency doesn't mean 'How strong any given character should be in my subjective opinion'. Consistency means 'does this work with what was shown and established before?'

>>531348808
>I give up and shut the fuck up, not like I didn't expect to get lynched.
Good and stay gone with your shitty fanmanga.

>>531349109
>Goku became so much stronger
... thanks to transformations and fusions. See what happens when you can't read, dog? Hell why the fuck should I even read your shitpost if you can't even read a guide?
>ignore gains that aren't massive unless you follow my headcanon
Sorry, your headcanon never mattered.
>Daizenshuu calculated transformations *and* fusions
Oh really? Show me 7th Daizenshu's exact calculations for fusion and potara. No, not the super exciting guide's, the Daizenshu's. I'm waiting.

>>531349347
>It is consistent, Piccolo's giant jump is consistent with every other giant jump.
No it's not, it's a random *100 in 2 weeks, this shit never happened before or after that, not even Goku on his way to Namek did that.

NONE of this shit is consistent, characters get killed by 1.3x their powerlevel but then can resist a little against people 10 times stronger. IT'S NOT A FUCKING HARD SCI-FI MANGA, it operates on rule of cool, whatever fits the plot will do, Toriyama will literally pull hyperbolic time chamber out of his ass and you're thinking this follows some sort of mathematical law as to how powerlevels evolve? You goddamn idiot

>>531344670
TLDR on that? I skimmed through and it just sound like 'Powerscaling for a sub 50 IQ' 101.

>>531349721
That's exactly what you described. It's a midwit trying to crunch the DBZ numbers and pretend any of this makes sense or means anything instead of understanding the author never tried to do things this way.

>>531349567
>It became incalculable thanks to two things calculated in the Daizenshuu itself, please don't point out that's not what the page said
That's just said.
>See what happens when you can't read
You're indeed providing a great exemple of illiterary
>Hell, why should I keep being humiliated like this?!
Because you're retarded and don't know when to give up after being proven wrong.
>No u, you're the true headcanon
Even more pathetic
>Trying to weasel his way by only mentioning fusion
Glad you know you're wrong on transformations. Fusion is the fusee's powers added and multiplied dozens of times. Potara is the fusee's strength multiplied by each others.
>No, not that source proving me wrong, another proving me wrong!
Lol. Lmao.

>>531349615
>No it's not, it's a random
Damn so that Piccolo could have one shotted Super Perfect Cell?
>it's a random *100 in 2 weeks
It's not random, we already established that the Z fighters get better gains than Goku while following his footsteps and Piccolo fused with Nail.
>NONE of this shit is consistent
It is very consistent.
> characters get killed by 1.3x their powerlevel but then can resist a little against people 10 times stronger.
You forgot the part where the 10 times stronger were fucking around and specifically torturing them.
>Whatever fits the plot
That's called consistency.
>You're an idiot because only hard sci fi has consistency and muh maths, me not understanding what consistency is is your fault.
You're retarded.

I just know one of you retards linked the thread on the DBM discord server and that's why we had to deal with Salagir just now.

>>531350752
>Damn so that Piccolo could have one shotted Super Perfect Cell?
If Toriyama wrote a plot surrounding this, yes, he would have
If Toriyama feels like Piccolo is now SSJ3 level after Buu, it would happen too
>It's not random, we already established that the Z fighters get better gains than Goku while following his footsteps and Piccolo fused with Nail.
There's nothing "established". It follows "what Toriyama needs/feels like". That's it.
>You forgot the part where the 10 times stronger were fucking around and specifically torturing them.
Not really.
Goku survived this and a lot more beating. Freeza has literally no idea that Goku can or cannot multiply his power by 20. At bare minimum he should have been KO'd or gravely injured by any of these hits, unless Freeza started fluctuating between 50%, 25%, 5%.....
Right now, Goku should be at 1/20th of the power that made him as strong as Freeza. Is Freeza hitting him with only 3% of his power to make this possible? Even though he was fighting at 25 or 50% before? Lol, this is retarded and so are you for thinking any of this makes sense with these multipliers.

Similarly, Saiyans that aren't in Super Saiyan should die on the spot to their 50x faster opponents. Super Buu should have DECAPITATED Trunks when he punched him, fucking around or not.

>That's called consistency.
And there's none because this is a shonen manga for little kids meant to be hot-blooded and hype, full of hyperbole and big fights. You are dumber than the 8 year old kids reading this.

>>531351341
>If Toriyama wrote a plot surrounding this, yes, he would have
Stopped reading there, you're officially braindead.

>>531351442
You are retarded. We've had Freeza powering up to "1.3 millions!" to catch up not just with Super Saiyan 3 Goku but Super Saiyan BLUE Goku. He multiplied his power by millions in a few months and you think there is any meaning to these arbitrary stupid ass numbers. Toriyama never cared and you are the most braindead nigger to ever post in these threads for thinking he did.

>>531351629
>You are retarded
That would mean something if it didn't come from someone who just said Namek Piccolo would have just one shotted Super Perfect Cell because 'there's no consistency'.

>>531351341
2005 called, they want their shitty anituber take back.

>>531351629
>Things I don't like that doesn't fit my braindead arbitrary standards happened so there's no consistency and Toriyama doesn't care about his own work despite very much staying true to each of those events and consistent with them
Kill yourself

>>531351341
>>531351629
You genuinely don't know what the words you use mean, holy shit.

>>531350402
>two things calculated in the...
Nope. Your lies have no value, just like your life, dog. The 7th Daizenshuu never calculated fusions. Stop shitposting like a sad bitch and give me the calculations you keep talking about.
>Fusion is the fusee's powers added and multiplied dozens of times. Potara is the fusee's strength multiplied by each others.
See? See you absolute joke of a subhuman being? That's the Superexciting guide's calculations, pic related, not the 7th Daizenshu.
I was being merciful I trying to spare you from being humilliated like this, but since you are genuinely illiterate you couldn't understand my warning and actually posted a Superexciting guide calculation and tried to pass it as Daizeshuu thing. You just confirmed to me that, without a doubt, the only reason you think Goku's strength with transformations and fusions could be calculated with information from the 7th Daizenshuu is because you are either too stupid, too incompetent or too disingenuous of a person to follow the subject you are trying to use as argument, congratulations.

>>531351254
Which one was Salagir?

>>531351764
What I said was that Toriyama would have given Piccolo the gains he'd need to beat whatever opponent he'd write on the spot.
Hell, he did EXACTLY that with Namek Piccolo. He gave him exactly enough gains to make him consider going on Namek because he wanted to have Piccolo on Namek regardless of how much sense it made powerlevel wise. Because powerlevels were never serious.

>>531351821
I accept your concession.

>>531351924
He literally forgot characters and hair colors you mongoloid. He wrote Golden Freeza, not me. If you think Dragon Ball has consistent powerlevels or was ever meant to have them, you are dumber than a middle schooler.

Buu arc Vegeta (base) is stronger than Buu arc Piccolo.

>>531351341
Im going against the thread circlejerk and saying you are correct. This is the least midwit take here.

>>531352008
>It's a lie! Stop being right!
Not happening, sorry you should have kept your retardation to yourself.
>See? SEE what you did to my cope and how you slaughtered it after I said you weren't allowed to
Almost like you have no authority here.
So the Daizenshuu 7 directly said you were wrong, as shown on the page we bullied you into posting with tears in your eyes AND the superexciting guide also did it.
>Random edgelord mindbroken rant
Cool so once again, Goku became incalculably stronger and you were wrong according to your own source

>>531352308
I mean this should be obvious. Dragon Ball was always about these crazy "strongest of the strongest! hyper warrior fights the mightiest foe!!!" shit. It was subdued and far more reasonable in the manga but if you think the point was to craft some kind of reasonable and well thought power system as opposed to Toriyama drawing the coolest shit he could think of (which is very much what Dragon Ball is at its core) then you're clearly lacking in reading comprehension. Again, the midwit meme.

>>531351341
I'm going with the thread being right and saying you are wrong. That's the most retarded take here.

>>531351254
"Salagir" is "subverting" our threads once "again".

>>531352524
>Again, the midwit meme.
Applies perfectly to you honestly. Never seen someone mindbroken because they legitimately don't understand the concept of consistency.

>>531352061
>What I said is that Toriyama would have actually made it consistent because he isn't a moron like me
So you were wrong.
>How much it made sense
It made perfect sense, that's how power levels and power gains have always worked in that story, there's no inconsistencies there.
>Muh power levels are bullshit!!!
Of course it's the TFS fan being retarded. Kill yourself.

>>531352061
I accept that you're on your knees and begging for mercy, which I deny.
Give your shitty take back to the random death note youtuber you got it from.

>>531352020
That's him >>531352008
>>531352061

>>531352447
>he's genuinely not even reading anymore
I will ask just once to determine if you are genuinely stupid or not. You noticed the calculations for the fusions you posted are from the Superexciting guide, not from 7th Daizenshu like you claim, right, retard?

>>531352590
He can't keep getting away with it!
>>531352008
This is some next level retardation. Truly fitting of the man who came up with 'Diabetic Vegito' for his fanmanga.

>>531352730
The midwit meme applies to you so perfectly you mongoloid.
I perfectly understand consistency, internal consistency, suspension of disbelief and whatever shit you want to discuss on fiction.
I REJECT the claim that Dragon Ball is internally consistent when it comes to mechanics and powerlevels. Or even that it attempted to be. I have many examples posted above that you ignored because they were going against your point.

You are free to believe in wildly fluctuating powerlevels (by orders of magnitudes of tens, hundreds...) that somehow never lead to the demonstrated "rule" of 1.3x = oneshot because we're so lucky that every single time the fighters perfectly controlled themselves to hit exactly right despite being emotional and showing no real restraint.
I reject this claim because it is retarded, and so are you.

Why did they kill Heroes again? Did it have anything to do with the rights war?

>>531353234
>You noticed you broke my back with something I hadn't allowed
I don't need to ask to determine that you're genuinely retarded despite being convinced you're just pretending.

>>531352524
This is mostly true. This was Toriyama's intention. I think along the way due to Toriyama's genius he had a sense of consistency but if it needed to be discarded for cool moments (EG, the humans getting way stronger from 1 year of Kami training than 3 years of Goku's Kami training. Piccolo in 5 days on King Kai's planet going from 2k - 100/200k) then it was discarded.
Torishima takes it too far but he has the right idea. This series is about cool people doing cool things and fighting against the odds. There is other stuff but it can and will be discarded if it gets in the way.

>>531352020
Just like with the /dbs/fag, the first shitposter who starts calling others that is the culprit. Never fails. Not even once.

>>531353251
>Words words words words
Enraged midwit moment.
Yes, you reject the truth because you don't understand what consistency is and you think your retarded VS debate standards have any value or relevance here. You're a midwit.

This seems like a perfect time to post my new art

>>531353443
>This was Toriyama's intention.
No, Toriyama's stated intention with power levels was to make it clear easily and quickly exactly how strong a character was at any given time, he's been extremely clear on that topic.

>>531353426
Okay so you are an insane shitposting rat, imagine my shock
Pro tip: Learn to tell guides apart next time you even try to talk about them, if it wasn't for that I wouldn't have noticed you are just a pitiful thread derailer

>>531353593
Very cute
>>531353476
So you're the /dbs/ reject? Since you're the first one who brought it up.

>>531353727
I never denied that?

>>531353809
>It is insane to prove me wrong
>Correcting me about Dragon Ball on a Dragon Ball thread where everyone else also corrected me is derailing
Cope.

>>531353823
I didn't call anyone in particular /dbs/fag, I just mentioned him, so if anything you would be him just joking, I know you aren't either

>>531353872
If there's no consistency, the power levels mean nothing and don't make anything clear to the reader.

>>531343582
You used that term first, not me.

>>531353564
I accept your concession, midwit

>>531354012
>just joking, I know you aren't either
Jokes on you, it was indeed me, DIO!

>>531354147
>Failing to use the meme
Midwit moment.

>>531353362
Theories I've seen

>Wipe the slate clean for the story as it escalated too much
>Some cards are way too powerful and balancing the game around them was a pain in the ass
I've also seen theories about them killing Heroes because of Daima's take on the demon realm, but I'm not so sure, since Xenoverse's demon realm is similar to Heroes, yet they just ignore Daima stuff, while adding Daima characters, similar to how Heroes kept using Z Broly in its story while still having Super Broly.

>>531352730
>other anon points out Dragon Ball has no internal consistency on these matters and will just take the path of least resistance
>midwit pretends it's an issue of knowing what consistency is
Lol, funny.

We're definitely being raided by DBMtards.

>>531353362
>>531354380
Rather than escalation, I think Heroes had been progressively fumbling trying to incorporate new DBS lore into it's story that was honestly very incompatible with it, to the point that by the end you basically had two different concurrently running stories following two different sets of alternates of Goku and co, with Xeno Goku and CC Goku's plots quickly not even really intersecting anymore.
So they just decided to restart from scratch to make the Time Patrol and Xeno stuff fit with the Super stuff better while also not having to deal with years upon years of frankly shaky arcade lore. The new Daima lore touching upon the demon realm was also probably seen as a perfect opportunity to start again with more solid foundations.

>>531354603
>Anon says something retarded
>Get dogpiled and has his own cope applied to him
>Totally laughing, guys
That's just sad.
>Consistently taking the path of least resistance isn't consistency! The path of least resistance itself isn't consistency!...Because I said so!
Legitimate mental illness.

>>531354793
They've been raiding /dbs/ to get people talking about it, it was only a matter of time.

>>531355104
You should go back

>mentions /CHADBS/ once
>IMMEDIATE SEETHE
KWAB!

>>531355493
Keep your board drama to yourself, man.

>>531354874
>Rather than escalation, I think Heroes had been progressively fumbling trying to incorporate new DBS lore into it's story that was honestly very incompatible with it, to the point that by the end you basically had two different concurrently running stories following two different sets of alternates of Goku and co, with Xeno Goku and CC Goku's plots quickly not even really intersecting anymore.
They gave up around Big Bang Mission IIRC, where CC characters overtook the story.

>So they just decided to restart from scratch to make the Time Patrol and Xeno stuff fit with the Super stuff better while also not having to deal with years upon years of frankly shaky arcade lore. The new Daima lore touching upon the demon realm was also probably seen as a perfect opportunity to start again with more solid foundations.
I feel they also wanted to play it safe when it comes to new cards and characters, early Super Divers cards are really basic, though that may have changed by now... And I think Super Divers still doesn't have a story.

>>531355679
>And I think Super Divers still doesn't have a story.
I heard they were redoing the Saiyan Saga? Which is just mind boggling.
>They gave up around Big Bang Mission IIRC, where CC characters overtook the story.
I didn't know that, the Xeno crew still seemed to be around whenever I checked on the state of Heroes.

>>531353823
Thanks

>>531353593
Nice art. Took me a second to notice the light going in and out.

>>531350402
>'exemple of illiterary'

>>531353593
What is this?

>>531356403
>Couldn't use the 'minor spelling mistake' meme
I win.

>>531350402
You won.
>>531352008
You lost

>>531356536
>'exemple of illiterary'
>minor

>>531356689
>Can't cope with missing his one shot at victory
Too bad for you.

>>531356403
>>531356689
>Still mad an hour later
Just let it go.

>exemple of illiteracy
Holy shit that's some giant irony.

>>531356826
Calm down Salagir my french is worse than your english, no shame in your exemple of illiterary

They should replace Vegeta with Freeza.

>>531355893
>I heard they were redoing the Saiyan Saga? Which is just mind boggling.
They were redoing Z arcs while adding extra fights (IIRC Beerus was an opponent in either Saiyan or Namek sagas), don't think the extra fights affected the retellings.

I've heard they finished a Buu saga retelling, so maybe they'll come up with a plot now?

>I didn't know that, the Xeno crew still seemed to be around whenever I checked on the state of Heroes.
They were around, but they were doing less over time. During Big Bang mission, Goku was stranded in that copy universe, eventually teaming up with Hearts and fighting Crimson Masked Warrior alongside Vegeta, that took most of the plot with Xeno characters not participating (Aside from Bardock, but he was setting up Aeos). And while both Gokus teamed up to fight Fu, it was CC Goku who got the Universal Tree's power and finished him off.

In Super Space Time Tournament, CC Goku is the one who fights Bardock, Aeos, and did the family Kamehameha to kill Demigra, while Xeno Goku was relegated to fusing with Vegeta and killing Omega, and during Meteor Mission, CC Goku kills Ozotto while Xeno Goku doesn't even help (Although in the manga version he did help).

Maybe I'm forgetting something, but CC characters, Goku particularly, were carrying the plot at some point, while Xeno characters were dragged along. I think Meteor Mission toned it down but it was still CC Goku who ended the whole thing.

>>531356501
There's a small beach on a floating rock in Conton City, where we used to hang out
I pose a hypothethical that since the sky goes dark whenever someone summons Shenron, and there are canonically multiple sets of dragon balls for the Conton wishes, that there could times where consecutive wishes would disturb beachgoers

>>531357187
>No comma
I win.

>>531357345
>There's a small beach on a floating rock in Conton City, where we used to hang out
Weird how they literally never did anything with it or Kame House.

>>531357280
I guess that explains why they set up CC Goku as stronger, they kinda decided to make him the new 'main' Goku.

>>531357607
There's a lot of parts of the city that serve no purpose, arguably most of them, but it's nice flavor
Kame House was meant to have some purpose for groups, but I never understood it

>>531357909
They should center XV3 on the time patroler academy IMO.
It'd be perfect to have a solid narrative where we get stronger and learn new moves in a way that make more sense while also getting a more solid and consistent supporting cast.
> but I never understood it
Same.

>>531357471

I miss el cabròn hijueputa

>>531358717
That arc was shit, just not as bad as Granolah.

>>531357217
Hit and jiren work too.

>>531357726
I feel they made Xeno Goku into CC Goku's rival, like Vegeta, but they didn't want him to job like Vegeta, so he's this powerful rival who's fighting other villains but isn't contributing much to the plot.

It was a conscious decision to do this. After Prison Planet, Xeno characters disappear, but they get their own plot where they deal with Mechikabura one last time, while CC characters are dealing with Hearts, and before the copy universe was created in Big Bang Mission, Xeno characters were still contributing, but I guess the writers got sick of juggling between two sets of the same characters and decided to stick with the most recent/popular ones.

>>531359014
True but honestly they feel like they'd step into Piccolo's role instead personality wise.
Goku definitely need a second in command who isn't just an inferior version of himself like Vegeta is so an uber tank like Jiren or a guy with esoteric moves like Hit are good choices.

>>531359069
I think that with stuff like the Keysword, the Xeno casts had their move set a bit too specialized against demons too so that also probably played a role in the decision.

>>531357280
>>531359069
I still can't believe they genuinely saw Heroes and said "yeah this new expansion will be the continuation of the Super anime" like how the fuck do you even come to the conclusion that's a good idea?
Imagine if Goku left with Shenron in GT finale and a few months later decided the cardass DB videogame of the time would be GT's sequel

>>531359913
Did they ever explain where the fuck Xeno Goku came from? Sometime it feels like he was created by a wish or something like the XV1 protag.

>>531360095
No, the deal with the Xeno characters is that they come from undeterminated timelines, Goku Xeno is just Goku from some timeline, Vegeta Xeno is just Vegeta from some timeline, Gohan Xeno is just Gohan from some timeline, etc, etc. You can have stuff like the manga saying Chronoa summons Goku Xeno from Trunks' idea of the strongest Goku but iirc the only Xeno whose origin is confirmed is Pan Xeno, who is just from a GT timeline where the demon realm fags caused trouble and when the time patrol saved the day they accidentaly took Pan with them.
Goku Xeno is just some Goku, don't think about it

>>531360095
>He hasn't read the DBH Manga
He comes from Chronoa who manifested the "strongest warrior" from Trunks' mind

>>531360631
>>531360739
What a weird concept.
>There's a random GT timeline where the Z fighters just lost Pan and have no clue what happened to her
Lowkey fucked up

>>531360952
>>There's a random GT timeline where the Z fighters just lost [THE WEAKEST AND MOST INCONSEQUENTIAL PERSON]
Nothing changes

>>531361104
I don't think Gohan cares that his daughter is weak.

>>531360095
He doesn't come from anywhere specifically, but he did go through GT (As he recognizes shadow dragons). In the manga Chronoa vaguely summoned the strongest warrior from Trunks' memories (Nevermind that the strongest one would've been Gohan)...

>>531361747
Did she summon the strongest guy Trunks knew or did she created the strongest guy from what existed in Trunks's mind?

>>531360952
>>531361104
It was during the final battle, with Gogeta and all that shit, so effectively GT plot doesn't change at the end but yeah, Gohan and Videl really lost their daughter although I guess you could say Chronoa will just send her home once she's done with the time patrol stuff

>>531361747
i wanna marry Chronoa

>>531362024
>although I guess you could say Chronoa will just send her home once she's done with the time patrol stuff
Genuinely how the fuck does the time patrol work? How do you get recruited? What happens once you're done or retire? Can you even retire? If the demons are defeated for good, what the fuck does the time patrol even do? Stay on standby? Do they even age? What happens if two patrolers have kids? Where does the Patroler Academy come in all this? Where the fuck does the XV1 Patroler comes from?

>>531360952
>There's a random GT timeline where the Z fighters just lost Pan and have no clue what happened to her
In the manga (And maybe the game too) it's even worse. The timeline Pan is from got erased, and she doesn't care.

>>531361984
She can't create warriors out of thin air, she just scanned that Trunks thinks Goku is number one, so she summoned a Goku from another timeline

>>531362352
>The timeline Pan is from got erased, and she doesn't care.
Honestly make sense for DB.
Also technically, it wasn't erased, it just merged back with normal history with everything kinda snapping back in place retroactively.
Also that's how it seems to work given Chronoa's explanation, they were never super clear about it.

>>531362346
>retire

>>531362409
I guess that make more sense. At least that means Xeno Goku is an actual Goku / character.
What make less sense is that it means a timeline just kinda lost it's Goku out of nowhere.

>>531358193
Reminds me of this meme

>>531362346
>How do you get recruited?
In Xenoverse there are candidates, but where they're from is another matter... Specially since there are no Chronoa counterparts (Or at least, she has less, since DBH Chronoa and Xenoverse Chronoa are clearly not the same ones, on top of anime/manga/game DBH Chronoa being different), so there is a single time patrolling squad, but shouldn't there be as many Towas as there are timelines?

>What happens once you're done or retire?
I'd assume you're sent back. In the manga Trunks talks about crystals that can teleport the characters back to their timeline. In Xenoverse we have characters just hanging out in Toki Toki city from different points of timelines and they're probably sent back at some point.

>If the demons are defeated for good, what the fuck does the time patrol even do?
Disband I'd assume, the creation of time patrollers seems to be relatively recent, as in both Heroes and Xenoverse it was only created after Trunks dealt with the androids. IIRC Chronoa talked like she dealt with time travelers before but she could do it on her own?

>Do they even age?
I don't see why they wouldn't...

>What happens if two patrolers have kids?
I never thought of this... I guess the kid has to remain in Toki Toki City? But I think Chronoa wouldn't call anyone if it interfered with a timeline (Just pretend the mentors don't exist...), so maybe the parents get to choose where the kid is going to live?

>Where does the Patroler Academy come in all this?
What do you mean? It just seems to be a way to expand time patrolling.

>Where the fuck does the XV1 Patroler comes from?
Given the race choices, they're from some version of universe 7, but from where or when, it's intentionally vague because he/she is a blank slate. I always headcanon'd XV1 patroller from the distant future given the obvious DBO influences.

>>531365225
>What do you mean?
Like how does having a school system works within the time patrol? XV2 honestly make the Time Patrol feel more like some kind of small civilization of time overseers that are just dealing with something naturally occurring, with the demons being an added urgent issue, rather than the special task force it's portrayed as in Heroes.

>Xeno Trunks
Future Trunks recruited by Chronoa.
>inb4 what about Super?
Shut up.

>Xeno Goku
Some Goku that apparently experienced the events of GT and BoG.

>Xeno Vegeta
Some Vegeta kidnapped by the demon realm and recruited by Chronoa. At least he knows about the blutz wave generator.

>Xeno Gohan
No confirmed origin but he needs to get the elder Kaioshin ritual at same time as Xeno Goten, take that as you wish

>Xeno Goten
A variation of GT Goten and yes he got Ultimate, too.

>Xeno Pan
GT Pan after her timeline was left in ruins by the demon realm folks.

>Xeno Bardock
Bardock from Episode Bardock kidnapped by the demon realm and temporarily recruited by Chronoa (then by Aeos)

And the Xeno villains are either more people kidnapped by the demon realm (like Paragus) or villains who used a dark dragon ball as anal bead, taking from their respective arcs. Exception is Xeno Dabura which is apparently just from his own undetermined timeline and not from the Buu arc.

>>531365225
>I don't see why they wouldn't...
They're outside of time for the most part, at least those that live in Conton City, that make any question related to aging iffy.

>>531365962
For the record Xeno Goku experiencing GT is just taken from him knowing about the dragons and getting SS4 but since he also did the SSG ritual who the fuck knows, could be he experienced BoG and then the shadow dragons appeared or something like that, or maybe he just experienced BoG and meet the dragons in some time patrol adventure?
Xeno Vegeta can't really be from GT despite knowing about the blutz wave generator since he's younger than GT Vegeta, but he also knows about the generator so..?

>>531365225
>shouldn't there be as many Towas as there are timelines?
I too ponder this. Towa is merely Dabura's sister, Dabura existed in every world.
Given there are infinite timelines I suspect the time patrol's job never ends.

>>531367184
>I too ponder this. Towa is merely Dabura's sister, Dabura existed in every world.
They tried to explain that by saying the Demon Realm was outsided of time and got sealed / destroyed so there should be only 1 Towa.
But it doesn't explain why there's multiple Daburas.

>>531365965
Right, there is that weird bit of lore that Gotenks can exist without time limit
Couple that with not having a day/night cycle and you could easily lose track of time (hehe) that has been passing
But at the same time it's also established that XV1 takes place in age 850, and XV2 in 852

If two time patrollers have a kid that kid is forced to remain with Chronoa forever even if the parents return to their limelines.

>>531365782
I assume it's for overall training before they get to time traveling business.

>>531365962
>inb4 what about Super?
>Shut up
Heroes had Xeno Trunks not have lived through Super's events. Xenoverse is the one being weird and claiming its Trunks went through Super.

>Some Goku that apparently experienced the events of GT and BoG.
I think that's in only in one of the 3DS ports of DBH. In the arcade itself he didn't seem to be aware of SSG when Chronoa talks about the ritual.

>A variation of GT Goten and yes he got Ultimate, too.
Xeno Goten got Ultimate during Demigra's Assault, that's after Prison Planet, I think that was also the case for Gohan? Though in Gohan's case he would be re-obtaining it...

>>531366758
For that Goku in particular, he could've gone through BoG but nothing else from Super, as GT could mostly happen still, the only real issue is Pilaff's gang.

>Xeno Vegeta can't really be from GT despite knowing about the blutz wave generator since he's younger than GT Vegeta, but he also knows about the generator so..?
It's real weird... The idea of Xeno Goku and Vegeta seems to be just having Z designs who went through GT's events, sort of like Budokai 3 having Z Goku transform to SS4 and fighting Omega as an adult.

>>531365965
What, so Conton City is confirmed to stop aging?

>>531367184
Yeah. Between DBO, Xenoverse, and Heroes' 3 versions, Towa is causing a mess semi consistently... But on the other hand, Xenoverse also uses both Z Broly and Super Broly as part of its stories (IIRC, Future Saga used Z Broly in chapter 1, and Super Broly in chapter 2), so it's possible Towa, like Broly, doesn't always exist even in those timelines. It's possible she doesn't always get the means of causing timeline troubles, but even then it's still weird there's only one Towa doing so in each of those.

DBO makes it a little weirder since I don't think she was Dabura's sister there...

>>531367307
>They tried to explain that by saying the Demon Realm was outsided of time and got sealed / destroyed so there should be only 1 Towa.
>But it doesn't explain why there's multiple Daburas.
Xenoverse trying to explain something and that only raises further questions...

>>531369282
>Right, there is that weird bit of lore that Gotenks can exist without time limit
There's lore reasons for that? I assumed that was just fanservice for mentoring.

>But at the same time it's also established that XV1 takes place in age 850, and XV2 in 852
Time travel is a headache even when no actual time travel is going on...

>>531369727
Boss, you stole w child...?

>>531369779
You know the manga is different from the game right?

>Xeno Trunks got SSG.
>Xeno Goten got Potential Unleashed.
>Xeno Gotenks hasn’t appeared since.
They’re scared of his power.

>Xenoverse, DBH Anime, DBH Manga, and the DBH games all have an entirely different interpretation of the Time Patrol, Chronoa, and Towa
At this point fanfiction is just as relevant of an interpretation as official confusing contradictory media.

>>531370334
Nah they could have used him and they would just ignore the transformations like they did with Gohanks Xeno, a fusion of Gohan Xeno (who has Ultimate AND SS4) and Trunks Xeno (SSG)

>>531370571
The DBH arcade game is the original and XV is an alternate take, the anime and manga are adaptations so no reason to look at them.
But yeah it's weird, which is another reason to kill Heroes and just have Superdivers

>>531370086
>Xenoverse trying to explain something and that only raises further questions...
Xenoverse didn't do that, Heroes did. Xenoverse doesn't give a shit about the demon realm.
Xenoverse's explaination is that there's only one 'real' timeline and everything you deal is just putting the timeline back in place or close enough that it doesn't create a new time scroll and collapse the time vault.
So there's not an infinite amount of Towa because there's technically not an infinite amount of timelines as far as time and thus time travel is concerned.

>>531144320
we don't know what a saiyan's natural unmolested lifespan is, it's never been said. the only 'old' saiyans we've seen are Paragus (no stated age) and GT Pan (who is only a quadroon and also noncanon)

>>531369779
>What, so Conton City is confirmed to stop aging?
It's not confirmed to stop aging but it's confirmed to be outside of time so who knows what effect that has on age.
>Yeah. Between DBO, Xenoverse, and Heroes' 3 versions, Towa is causing a mess semi consistently...
The thing with DBO is that the Towa causing issue stole a time passport and that's how she can time travel and create messes so it doesn't matter how many Towas there are since only 1 has a time passport.
DBO didn't have infinite timelines either.

>>531370980
It has been said by Toriyama, retard. Saiyans live about the same as humans (slightly longer), but they keep a young look until their 80s, that's when they rapidly degrade, start looking their age and in some years die like any human would do.

>>531370980
>we don't know what a saiyan's natural unmolested lifespan is, it's never been said.
Toriyama said it's somewhat longer than a human's.

>>531144936
Suno. her name is a pun on the word Snow, so it's easy to remember

>>531371447
If you know it's a pun on snow why do you call her Suno when it's clearly meant to be Sno?

>>531370571
Don't forget DBO too.
>Trunks' boss is called a Kaio of Time, not Kaioshin
>Towa is talked like she met Mira at some point rather than creating him

>>531370784
I think XV itself is the "original", while Heroes came first, it didn't have a plot initially, and when it sort of got a plot, it was retelling GT events (Shadow Dragons only I think?), Xeno Trunks was added at some point, but IIRC that was a Xenoverse crossover. Looking at Chronoa's original designs, they were attributed to Xenoverse rather than Heroes.

So if I'm not wrong, DBO had these ideas, Xenoverse recycled them, Heroes recycled the the recycling at some point while also throwing extra forms and characters.

>>531203508
>every saga ends in Piccolo buggering Goku

>>531371112
>The thing with DBO is that the Towa causing issue stole a time passport and that's how she can time travel and create messes so it doesn't matter how many Towas there are since only 1 has a time passport.
A passport? That reminds me of Daima's pin number...

>>531372372
>A passport? That reminds me of Daima's pin number...
Toriyama always had vague concepts that got adapted under different forms by supplementary material after the end of the manga and with DB's return, he probably took the opportunity to finally use those concepts himself.

>>531370840
How is there a one true timeline in Xenoverse, when both Super and GT exist there as alternate timelines for extended period of time, and Tokitoki also lays an egg which is going to create a brand new timeline

>>531372372
>>531372586
It's also important to remember that Toriyama was always fond of Towa and Mira, which is why they keep coming back and the guys he designed for Jump Force were basically Towa and Mira Lite.
It wouldn't be surprising if he remembered the passport backstory for Towa and came up with the pin number plotpoint from it.

Fun fact, there's an official silver great ape but pretty much nobody knows he existed, and those who know don't really care anyway

>>531372634
>How is there a one true timeline in Xenoverse, when both Super and GT exist there as alternate timelines for extended period of time
Guess they stretched the 'close enough timeline' concept to make it fit.
> and Tokitoki also lays an egg which is going to create a brand new timeline
When it hatches and a new bird of time is born, that's not a current thing. It would probably replace Toki Toki rather than create a new independent thing tho.

>>531372969
That's just an old Oozaru.

>>531370840
>overse's explaination is that there's only one 'real' timeline and everything you deal is just putting the timeline back in place
This is so stupid. Literally what's the point of time travel if the extent of what ifs are
>Villain but stronger!
No Broly being sent to earth instead of GOku, no SS Namek/scouter Bejita. How stupid.

>>531373364
I mean they could do that but they just don't.
> no SS Namek/scouter Bejita
They did do that, it's a PQ. Vegeta tries to kill everyone after getting SSJ1 first so you beat his ass.

>>531271113
SS, or Starting Strength, is a meme fitness programme on /fit/ that puts too much emphasis on the lower body. If you actually follow it you'll get huge horse legs whilst everything else will be DYEL-tier.
The joke that pic is making is I guess suggesting that King Kai's training was similar to Starting Strength in that in reality it mostly would've just made Goku's legs super strong.

the Frost Demon women are getting more content! Cooler-inspired armor, a set of eyes with eyelashes, and a head with hair!

>>531374567
Ah okay, that make sense. Thanks for the info.

>>531278445
TL;DR: it was all jews

>>531374743
She's very cute.
Imagine the footjobs.

>>531331790
that's a consequence of westerners not 'getting' the wuxia elements of the story. I'd wager it's also why the Androids saga is more popular in the west than in Japan, because the SciFi elements translate better to western sensibilities.

>>531374743
>and a head with hair!
should've been hair shaped horns
or hair shaped whatever-that-crystal-ball-head-thing-frieza-race-have-is

>>531292756
Lot of people just don't get it right, even schmucks like Salvamakoto.

>>531261445
i'm very proud of myself for remembering this interaction and single line of dialogue from the first 20 chapters of a fan manga that started in 2008. lol

it probably helped that the Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto vs Broly moment that happened just before this was one of the coolest things to have happened at this point.

>>531337190
>every 90s
it still shows up. I heard it in Medalist which aired earlier this year.

That new Bulma ad that looked great? It was made by the Daima staff apparently.

>>531375875
Cool video on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g799-4rB0IM

>>531374743
I have never thought about Freeza race + hair

>>531370218
Amazing, mission complete

>>531370218
If Chronoa had a kid with a time patroller than she would probably groom that kid into being the next SKoT. They'd work as an assistant at first.

>>531362732
Xeno Goku is supposed to be the GT/Movie universe Goku, ain't he?

>>531371292
>>531371225
>somewhat
is vague. it could be 5 years, it could be 25.

>>531371546
because that's the official translation of her name. same as Bulma, Krillin, Flying Nimbus, and Master Roshi. only tryhards say anything else.

>>531377176
Sort of. He's the toeiverse Goku.
Toeiverse = Z Anime + All movies + GT (+ later BoG because Toei originally thought BoG was going to tie into GT before Super happened)
Actually in DB Heroes CC Goku recognizes Turles. They honestly don't care about canon. Toei = pure rule of cool.

>>531378589
>Toeiverse
Xeno Goku is from a video game, Toei has nothing to do with him.

>>531378589
>Actually in DB Heroes CC Goku recognizes Turles
https://youtu.be/_ajcKBmyHBY?si=lSwr9Klcd9T3XKg0&t=1010
I haven't seen many people mention this.
>>531378835
Can you read? I never said Toei made him all I said was be belongs from a derivative of their timeline.

>>531378589
>Canon
>The DBS Manga
Bait used to be believable.

>>531379017
>I never said Toei made him all I said was be belongs from a derivative of their timeline.
Which is dumb because he has no association with Toei at all.

>>531379017
Gohan at some point recognizes Z movie villains too.

>>531379204
Okay? Toeiverse is just a name. You can call it "Animemovieverse" and it means the same thing.

>>531378589
DBS follow Minus, not the Bardock specials.

>>531379328
When? Which Gohan?

>>531379650
Kai is and Super is connected to Kai.

I think it's easiest to say that the Xeno characters are simply "the characters who experienced everything not in the manga". The Heroes writers aren't creating some DC Earth 874-style big alt continuity timelines for a hundred different Gokus, Xeno Goku is just "the Goku who experienced everything the canon Goku didn't". basically an excuse to have Goku in Heroes without having to explain how Heroes fits into the main series.

>>531380772
He knows about Freeza, Cell, and Buu so it's clear he experienced Z. All of the movies connect with Z in some way before diverging.
>Cooler being Freeza's brother and Freeza being defeated by Goku
>He's connected with GT which for sure contained all the past villains (see Bejita's flashbacks in episode 55 of GT)
He's definitely a weird composite Goku. That makes him cool.

>>531380772
CC Goku also experienced a bunch of stuff from outside the manga.

>>531381307
I didn't say he didn't experience Z. just that he experienced the other stuff too.

>>531381893
The way you worded it made it seem like you meant he experienced only the movies or smth.

>>531378589
>super manga
>canon

>>531382186
>>531379043
Problem?

>>531382050
I meant that he "experienced whatever the Heroes writers needed him to experience to make their story work". or as you put it, he's a composit Goku. a 'Goku: Greatest Hits', as it were. He has no single specific timeline he came from, definitely nobody thought out a specific backstory for him.

>>531382516
It's not canon to that specific timeline, you idiot. By word of god, might I add.

>>531382849
You're saying Jaco - DB Manga - DBS manga (plus the associated movies) isn't a coherent timeline?
>By word of god
When?
Tbh this is downloaded from somewhere else. I should probably change the text from "canon timeline" to "toyo timeline.

>>531382516
>Problem?
Yes, your delusion is a problem. That manga adaptation of the DBS anime isn't canon.
>Muh chosen successor
Who didn't inherit anything and is now in One Shot Serialization Begging Hell because he's just an employee and you fell for a marketing tagline.

>>531383238
got back to your containment thread

>>531383238
>DBS manga (plus the associated movies) isn't a coherent timeline?
Given that Toyotaro wrote his own manga adaptation of the ROF arc, it doesn't really make sense.

>>531383238
>When?
NTA But Toriyama said DBS Broly follow the anime while the manga would be doing its own thing.

>>531383716
Toyo says the Movie (or an not shown alternate version of it) is canon to his timeline. It's his timeline so what he says is fact. The broly movie may or may not be made with the anime in mind but it's a fact Toyo said it's canon to his timeline.

>>531384397
Toyotaro saying that doesn't make the manga canon to the movie tho

>>531330592
They really put their effort on oc furry/wuxia/otaku projects

>>531385537
Imagine you made a fanfiction. Then imagine saying "Dragon Ball Tree of Might is canon to my fanfiction". Then that becomes true. the Turles movie happened in your fanfiction purely because you said so and you are the author so your word is law. The Turles movie wasn't made with your fanfiction in mind but it's canon to your fanfic.
That's what Toyo did with the Broly movie.

>>531334938
So the Super version of SS4 is gonna check all these boxes right?

>>531385916
Yeah so the manga isn't canon to the movie.

>>531386251
The manga isn't canon to the movie
The movie is canon to the manga.
Therefore the Broly movie belongs in a timeline with the Manga because the events of it happen in Toyo's timeline.

>>531386652
Having 'THE canon timeline' have a movie which itself doesn't consider one of the part canon to itself is needlessly complicated

>>531386753
It's not complicated. The Super manga simply doesn't belong in the Toriyama timeline.

>>531385972
>Super
Anon that shit is DONE. Let it go.

>>531387309
That's like telling someone that Z is done. Technically true but it's obvious we'll get more DB story stuff.

>>531385916
tree of might is canon and true to canon

>>531386753
Welcome to modern dragon ball. As of current day "canon" is whatever you what it to be!
>>531387303
Nothing belongs in Toriyama's timeline besides the original 519 chapters of his manga that finished in 1995.

>>531388075
>As of current day "canon" is whatever you what it to be!
No, it's not. You were just wrong.
>Nothing belongs in Toriyama's timeline besides the original 519 chapters
Toriyama himself said otherwise so you're wrong again.

>>531352008
>See you absolute joke of a subhuman being?
what is it with retarded autists and their inability to use regular insults? Like, he can't just call someone a shithead or fuckface or anything that would maybe let you believe he's a normal human being, his ego is such that he simply must use some abominable combination of words that in reality loses all meaning.

>>531388410
As you said, he's an autist. To him it's intimidating instead of laughable.

>>531351341
>Goku survived this and a lot more beating. Freeza has literally no idea that Goku can or cannot multiply his power by 20. At bare minimum he should have been KO'd or gravely injured by any of these hits, unless Freeza started fluctuating between 50%, 25%, 5%.....
>Right now, Goku should be at 1/20th of the power that made him as strong as Freeza. Is Freeza hitting him with only 3% of his power to make this possible? Even though he was fighting at 25 or 50% before? Lol, this is retarded and so are you for thinking any of this makes sense with these multipliers.
or maybe you're just fucking stupid
speed blitz doesn't exist in DB, you don't get instantly murdered by anyone even if they're massively stronger than you. You have to be incomprehensibly stronger than your opponent, and they have to be very weak to begin with, for that kind of shit to work.
>there is no consistency in DB
and you're officially retarded

>>531379680
CC Gohan. During Super Space Time Tournament's second round. I'm sure he recognized Bojack during Big Bang Mission too.

>>531389386
>Bejita vs cui doesn't exist

>>531387753
Fucking this, in fact we might get a new Z movie at this rate.

Are people seriously trying to argue canon for fucking Heroes

Who's the Joe Adok of Dragon Ball?

>>531390261
The only thing canon is Aeos' headcanon.

>>531379680
>>531389430
CC Goku and Vegeta recognize Turles and Bojack, Krillin later on recognizes Wheelo. So CC characters went through the movies' events.

>>531389386
>you don't get instantly murdered by anyone even if they're massively stronger than you
Bejita vs Cui
Bejita vs Dodoria
Krillin vs Saibaimen and friends
You are a complete retard. At least the other guy tried ignoring my points instead of making up blatantly making stupid ones. We've seen in Dragon Ball that higher powerlevel gets you really far, one 20 000 guy will destroy two at 10 000, possible even two at 12-15 000.

This isn't even to criticize Toriyama, Dragon Ball is better because it didn't try to care too much for shitty rules.

>>531389792
Cui was a pussy, vegeta had gotten tremendously stronger than him which is why he didn't run into any trouble until transformed zarbon

>>531390261
You're right, let's shit on DBM as we've been doing for the last weeks.

>>531390902
Based

>>531390702
>cui
Pussed out like a bitch against a vegeta who had gotten more than massively stronger than him even before he had learned how to manipulate his ki like an earthling.
>dodoria
Similarly pussed out and was tossed around prior. Putting up zero defense against a concentrated energy beam isn't the same as
>HE SHOULD BE DECAPITATED
>Krillin vs Saibaimen
A plant thing grown in seconds and designed to suicide bomb is your crowning example?

>>531390261
It's fun because this is rarely talked about and you can get reasonably far.

>>531391687
Vegeta was about to murder Dodoria in seconds before that.
Krillin killed 6 Saibaimen and he was around 1500 on Namek. They were 1200.
Cui got literally killed by a fucking kiai.

You can't just go "weeeell the oneshot happened because that was a bitch over there". Ginyu thought Goku was at 60 000 top and Jeece believe him, implying 60 000 was enough to oneshot everyone in the Ginyu force, and they were all >30 000.

You can absolutely oneshot your opponents with twice the powerlevel, probably less.

>>531389430
>>531390569
i like this, but are we sure its because CC characters experienced the movies, and not because these guys keep showing up to jump them every arc? lol

>>531391889
By the way, my point is "there's no hard rule and you'll get oneshotted if the story deems a fight unnecessary, otherwise you'll hang in there for a decent while and nobody cares about these rules other than autistic fans"

>>531392027
This is entirely true and you have to be a special kind of autist to deny it.

what's the most viable way to put super saiyan 4 in as an awokening for CACs in xenvoerse 2?

it really seems like the tail and fur make it impossible to do so to such an extent you can pop it like any other awokening and they already half ass that shit on them by not having unique hair spiking for the forms, the proper eye change, facial change and of course physical change. SS4 be it GT or Daima or even the heroes version is such a dramatic change I don't see it ever happening on custom characters until they give official word that the fur is on the leges, they've been giving others leggings to not have to answer that question ever

>>531391889
>dodoria
No, vegeta was going to keep tossing him around because he's an asshole but then Dodoria tried to run away like a bitch to mommy frieza and got vaporized.
>saibamen
pod people grown in seconds and designed to suicide bomb
>Cui got literally killed by a fucking kiai
Are you retarded? Are you actually trying to pretend an upper cut into dirty fireworks is a kiai?
>ginyu thought
well if ginyu thinks it then it must be true. Certainly no way the fighter explicitly styled around dynamically raising and lowering his powerlevel could spike higher than that for knockout blows (which are not the same as killing blows because fight fiction is not the same as real life)
>>531392027
>there's no hard rule and you'll get oneshotted if the story deems a fight unnecessary
Except one shotting means getting knocked out, not getting murdered instantly.
>the story deems it
And there is the crux of the problem, toriyama actually understand what makes a story (and fight scene) good as well as what people want to see instead of retarded decisions like the most built up to fight for more than a decade being solved in 2 pages.
Toriyama didn't build up to cui so he didn't matter. Toriyama did build up to frieza so he ate up dozens of chapters on his own.