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7/3/2025, 3:14:31 PM
>>17811336
Fair point. Catholic theology says they stem from the Fall: original sin warped creation itself (Romans 8:20-22, creation groans in bondage). God permits it to draw us to Him. Suffering purifies, as Job shows, or points to the need for redemption. Paganism offers no such framework; its gods are too weak to explain or redeem it.
>>17811351
>divinity is a state and not a role
That’s a romantic spin, but it falls apart under scrutiny. Germanic paganism’s “message” is vague, pieced together from fragmented sagas and Christian-filtered sources like Snorri. Your idea of humans becoming gods through deeds sounds badass, but it’s cherry-picked and inconsistent. Odin and Thor aren’t just “great deed” heroes; they’re cosmic archetypes tied to chaotic, cyclical myths with no moral anchor. Where’s the unified doctrine? It’s a patchwork of local cults, not a system.
>opposite of Christianity, where in Christianity you are nothing
Wrong. Catholicism holds man as 'imago Dei': created with inherent dignity, capable of reason and virtue, but fallen and in need of grace. Salvation isn’t “earned” through grit; it’s a cooperation with God’s grace, which demands active faith and works (James 2:17). Paganism’s “earn your godhood” shtick lacks grounding. By what standard? Who judges? It’s just self-aggrandizement with no objective measure. Christianity’s got a clear telos: union with God, backed by revelation and reason. Paganism’s just chasing glory for glory’s sake, which is why it collapsed under pressure from a more coherent faith.
Fair point. Catholic theology says they stem from the Fall: original sin warped creation itself (Romans 8:20-22, creation groans in bondage). God permits it to draw us to Him. Suffering purifies, as Job shows, or points to the need for redemption. Paganism offers no such framework; its gods are too weak to explain or redeem it.
>>17811351
>divinity is a state and not a role
That’s a romantic spin, but it falls apart under scrutiny. Germanic paganism’s “message” is vague, pieced together from fragmented sagas and Christian-filtered sources like Snorri. Your idea of humans becoming gods through deeds sounds badass, but it’s cherry-picked and inconsistent. Odin and Thor aren’t just “great deed” heroes; they’re cosmic archetypes tied to chaotic, cyclical myths with no moral anchor. Where’s the unified doctrine? It’s a patchwork of local cults, not a system.
>opposite of Christianity, where in Christianity you are nothing
Wrong. Catholicism holds man as 'imago Dei': created with inherent dignity, capable of reason and virtue, but fallen and in need of grace. Salvation isn’t “earned” through grit; it’s a cooperation with God’s grace, which demands active faith and works (James 2:17). Paganism’s “earn your godhood” shtick lacks grounding. By what standard? Who judges? It’s just self-aggrandizement with no objective measure. Christianity’s got a clear telos: union with God, backed by revelation and reason. Paganism’s just chasing glory for glory’s sake, which is why it collapsed under pressure from a more coherent faith.
6/24/2025, 4:33:39 PM
>okay so the trinity is a nothingburger?
Not quite. The Trinity isn’t just God playing dress-up, nor is it three gods chilling in a divine flatshare. It’s one divine essence, fully possessed by three persons (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) who are really distinct, not by substance, but by relation.
>sounds like polytheism
Only if you assume "person" must mean "separate being" the way creatures are. But God’s nature isn’t like created nature. In creatures, three persons means three 'separate substances'. In God, three persons share the same singular divine substance eternally.
>this sounds weird
It should. If God were totally graspable, He’d be a mere human construct. The doctrine of the Trinity is a revealed truth, not a man-made rational system. Its coherence doesn’t lie in easy analogies, but in its faithfulness to Scripture and the lived worship of the early Church.
>unlike hindus the god has the same will and intellect
And unlike Muslims, that will isn’t frozen in pure will-to-power. Christianity’s God is logos, not brute force. The Son is Reason, the Spirit is Love, and the Father is the eternal Source. Not exactly a nothingburger if you ask me.
Not quite. The Trinity isn’t just God playing dress-up, nor is it three gods chilling in a divine flatshare. It’s one divine essence, fully possessed by three persons (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) who are really distinct, not by substance, but by relation.
>sounds like polytheism
Only if you assume "person" must mean "separate being" the way creatures are. But God’s nature isn’t like created nature. In creatures, three persons means three 'separate substances'. In God, three persons share the same singular divine substance eternally.
>this sounds weird
It should. If God were totally graspable, He’d be a mere human construct. The doctrine of the Trinity is a revealed truth, not a man-made rational system. Its coherence doesn’t lie in easy analogies, but in its faithfulness to Scripture and the lived worship of the early Church.
>unlike hindus the god has the same will and intellect
And unlike Muslims, that will isn’t frozen in pure will-to-power. Christianity’s God is logos, not brute force. The Son is Reason, the Spirit is Love, and the Father is the eternal Source. Not exactly a nothingburger if you ask me.
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