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>>2084082
>>2084058
Henry V was actually the first Plantagenet monarch who pushed for English to be the court language. Can't see him trying to Anglify the French nobility had he lived long enough to rule over France, however.
>>2084193
>had England won the HYW
The issue is portraying the HYW as England vs France. That's a modern way of thinking that presupposes the existence of nation-States.
The HYW wasn't England vs France, it was the house of Plantagenet vs the house of Valois (plus the other houses allied to each one). The Plantagenets were undisputed kings of England, but the whole point of the war was that the Valois were NOT undisputed kings of France. Throughout the whole war, the Plantagenets styled themselves as rightful kings of France too.
>>2084171
>>2084112
The HYW should be divided into many phases. For the vast majority of it the Plantagenets were the clear underdogs.
If anything, the HYW is itself a phase of the larger conflict between the Plantagenets and the Capetians, after the Battle of Bouvines when John "lackland" lost the Plantagenet holdings in France.
The Plantagenets did many invasions of France prior to the HYW to try to recover their lands there but always got BTFO by the Capetians (pic related).
The string of early victories of Edward III at Sluys (where the LARGER French fleet was defeated) and Crécy was an oddity. Afterwards the English were still largely unable to fund long-term campaigns in France and had to resort mostly to chevauchées (raids). The first one under the Black Prince was VERY successful with the capture of the French king at the battle of Poitiers, however later chevauchées were far less significant. Meanwhile under Charles V the French reorganized and took back their lost territory while England was rule by the ineffective Richard II. All the progress of the great early victories was lost.
Henry V had to start basically from scratch and his campaign was a disaster until the miracle of Agincourt.
>>2084058
Henry V was actually the first Plantagenet monarch who pushed for English to be the court language. Can't see him trying to Anglify the French nobility had he lived long enough to rule over France, however.
>>2084193
>had England won the HYW
The issue is portraying the HYW as England vs France. That's a modern way of thinking that presupposes the existence of nation-States.
The HYW wasn't England vs France, it was the house of Plantagenet vs the house of Valois (plus the other houses allied to each one). The Plantagenets were undisputed kings of England, but the whole point of the war was that the Valois were NOT undisputed kings of France. Throughout the whole war, the Plantagenets styled themselves as rightful kings of France too.
>>2084171
>>2084112
The HYW should be divided into many phases. For the vast majority of it the Plantagenets were the clear underdogs.
If anything, the HYW is itself a phase of the larger conflict between the Plantagenets and the Capetians, after the Battle of Bouvines when John "lackland" lost the Plantagenet holdings in France.
The Plantagenets did many invasions of France prior to the HYW to try to recover their lands there but always got BTFO by the Capetians (pic related).
The string of early victories of Edward III at Sluys (where the LARGER French fleet was defeated) and Crécy was an oddity. Afterwards the English were still largely unable to fund long-term campaigns in France and had to resort mostly to chevauchées (raids). The first one under the Black Prince was VERY successful with the capture of the French king at the battle of Poitiers, however later chevauchées were far less significant. Meanwhile under Charles V the French reorganized and took back their lost territory while England was rule by the ineffective Richard II. All the progress of the great early victories was lost.
Henry V had to start basically from scratch and his campaign was a disaster until the miracle of Agincourt.
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