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7/7/2025, 3:34:16 AM
Reposting because op was lightning on this bread.
>>63949796
>4800
And reddit was drumming the 4800 as REV. J ESAPI standalone. 3x M2AP or 3x M995. This is why you don't get armor advice from /r/tacticalgear. The new 4801 is around 5.5lb. Major downgrade. Could be SiC with that weight.
>Combat Systems
EU-based outfit, we've discussed them before. No certs, business address is sketchy, their RF2 all-PE is inferior to a Hesco 3810B in virtually every way and costs too much for its advantages. Nice effort but it's not impressive unless positive buoyancy is a must-have and shot spacing limit needs to be tight.
>28855
Two reasons I think.
1. Armor companies rarely make plates bespoke. Models share components with other models. Hesco 3810 is the 3800 with an Alumina strike face added. The L211 is the 4403 with a lot of backer removed. RMA XRT is a Level IV with backer reduced. This simplifies production and saves money.
Accordingly, the LTC 28855, using a new form of PE, is probably just a backer-only, sans-strike-face companion to some badass boron carbide plate - probably gunning for one of the GEN-6B SOCOM contracts. Backer is stronger and can now contend with easy steel cores on its own, so we can thin the strike face a little. PE is lighter than B4C. No ceramics are presently available lighter than B4C.
2. It's a proof of concept for future all-PE plates, and this technology will eventually get us under the weight floor (3.5lb) of ceramic-PE M855 III+. Ceramics aren't moving, so alternate routes have to be taken.
>>63949796
>4800
And reddit was drumming the 4800 as REV. J ESAPI standalone. 3x M2AP or 3x M995. This is why you don't get armor advice from /r/tacticalgear. The new 4801 is around 5.5lb. Major downgrade. Could be SiC with that weight.
>Combat Systems
EU-based outfit, we've discussed them before. No certs, business address is sketchy, their RF2 all-PE is inferior to a Hesco 3810B in virtually every way and costs too much for its advantages. Nice effort but it's not impressive unless positive buoyancy is a must-have and shot spacing limit needs to be tight.
>28855
Two reasons I think.
1. Armor companies rarely make plates bespoke. Models share components with other models. Hesco 3810 is the 3800 with an Alumina strike face added. The L211 is the 4403 with a lot of backer removed. RMA XRT is a Level IV with backer reduced. This simplifies production and saves money.
Accordingly, the LTC 28855, using a new form of PE, is probably just a backer-only, sans-strike-face companion to some badass boron carbide plate - probably gunning for one of the GEN-6B SOCOM contracts. Backer is stronger and can now contend with easy steel cores on its own, so we can thin the strike face a little. PE is lighter than B4C. No ceramics are presently available lighter than B4C.
2. It's a proof of concept for future all-PE plates, and this technology will eventually get us under the weight floor (3.5lb) of ceramic-PE M855 III+. Ceramics aren't moving, so alternate routes have to be taken.
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