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7/14/2025, 8:21:23 PM
>>63981207
They're not really wrong that Americans are not revolutionary enough? Well leftists are very political about it, but war is an extension of politics. But I think you're right that the overall knowledge of tactics and equipment is a lot lower on the left. The right might neglect politics while putting too much emphasis on the strictly military side of things. Usually where I see the left go wrong is they assume the American people are not revolutionary enough because they're somehow being brainwashed by capitalist propaganda, or that the workers really are revolutionary except the socialists are being prevented from communicating to the workers... somehow. There may be elements of truth in some sense with these theories, but I think the fact of the matter is that socialism (or revolutionary socialism) or even basic socialist principles are decidely not popular with a very large majority of Americans. A lot of Americans like the kind of Bernie Sanders-style tax-da-billionaires stuff but that's not the same thing as armed Amazon employees seizing control of warehouses and declaring themselves to be the new government as a civil war breaks out.
>>63982847
>>63982885
I'd say this is both an accurate take but also that it wasn't a crazy idea because having the revolution originating from industrial workers means manpower and control over military production sites. The working class plays a role in modern society that at least enables it to be revolutionary because of its relationship to production. Also unions have an organizational structure, so theoretically it can be a political-military command structure in embryo. (Plot twist: Israel was actually founded like this, basically. The pre-Israeli government in the Yishuv was a Jewish trade union confederation and the Haganah, which became the core of the IDF, was basically their armed wing, and a lot of them were socialists back then.)
They're not really wrong that Americans are not revolutionary enough? Well leftists are very political about it, but war is an extension of politics. But I think you're right that the overall knowledge of tactics and equipment is a lot lower on the left. The right might neglect politics while putting too much emphasis on the strictly military side of things. Usually where I see the left go wrong is they assume the American people are not revolutionary enough because they're somehow being brainwashed by capitalist propaganda, or that the workers really are revolutionary except the socialists are being prevented from communicating to the workers... somehow. There may be elements of truth in some sense with these theories, but I think the fact of the matter is that socialism (or revolutionary socialism) or even basic socialist principles are decidely not popular with a very large majority of Americans. A lot of Americans like the kind of Bernie Sanders-style tax-da-billionaires stuff but that's not the same thing as armed Amazon employees seizing control of warehouses and declaring themselves to be the new government as a civil war breaks out.
>>63982847
>>63982885
I'd say this is both an accurate take but also that it wasn't a crazy idea because having the revolution originating from industrial workers means manpower and control over military production sites. The working class plays a role in modern society that at least enables it to be revolutionary because of its relationship to production. Also unions have an organizational structure, so theoretically it can be a political-military command structure in embryo. (Plot twist: Israel was actually founded like this, basically. The pre-Israeli government in the Yishuv was a Jewish trade union confederation and the Haganah, which became the core of the IDF, was basically their armed wing, and a lot of them were socialists back then.)
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