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6/14/2025, 2:16:35 AM
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>Vegeta scold Nappa for him not to end everything now
He didn't do that, in fact Vegeta was the one who pushed for waiting.
>Ugh sure, whatever the legend, not enough for me man
That's basically the entire arc's push. It's not just the transformation or the legend, it's the difference between Goku and Vegeta. Vegeta wanted it, Goku didn't. Goku was raised by others and found great external influences and teachers, he was nurture over nature. That's why becoming a heartless Saiyan once more turned him into the legend.
>I still think Zenkai is absolutely an asspull, as is the grand elder's powerups, namekian fusion, the constant transformations
Zenkai is, as it contradicts some earlier parts.
Grand elder isn't, some newly introduced characters having powers is perfectly fine. It was a subplot, actually.
Namekian fusion comes out a little out of nowhere but is used in the story, so it's fine.
Not saying you're entirely wrong, but you're seeing this from an almost mathematical perspective, looking for powerlevels and shortcuts and shit rather than what they truly represent within the story and whether or not they fit.
>Frieza
Agree to disagree, I think he has lots of small dialogues and interactions where he gets to show bits of personality. Well, Saiyan Vegeta is also a favorite of mine, but Freeza does shine for me.
>I mean, the fact that death and the times where it's supposed to exist keep getting erased
They get a way to undo second deaths but it's not that weird. For the first time, death is what shapes an entire arc and the wingoal.
>I really like 16 because he's the one fucking DB character that stays fucking dead
Fair enough. I like the family/fatherhood angle of the finale personally, I think it's pretty cathartic.
>Vegeta scold Nappa for him not to end everything now
He didn't do that, in fact Vegeta was the one who pushed for waiting.
>Ugh sure, whatever the legend, not enough for me man
That's basically the entire arc's push. It's not just the transformation or the legend, it's the difference between Goku and Vegeta. Vegeta wanted it, Goku didn't. Goku was raised by others and found great external influences and teachers, he was nurture over nature. That's why becoming a heartless Saiyan once more turned him into the legend.
>I still think Zenkai is absolutely an asspull, as is the grand elder's powerups, namekian fusion, the constant transformations
Zenkai is, as it contradicts some earlier parts.
Grand elder isn't, some newly introduced characters having powers is perfectly fine. It was a subplot, actually.
Namekian fusion comes out a little out of nowhere but is used in the story, so it's fine.
Not saying you're entirely wrong, but you're seeing this from an almost mathematical perspective, looking for powerlevels and shortcuts and shit rather than what they truly represent within the story and whether or not they fit.
>Frieza
Agree to disagree, I think he has lots of small dialogues and interactions where he gets to show bits of personality. Well, Saiyan Vegeta is also a favorite of mine, but Freeza does shine for me.
>I mean, the fact that death and the times where it's supposed to exist keep getting erased
They get a way to undo second deaths but it's not that weird. For the first time, death is what shapes an entire arc and the wingoal.
>I really like 16 because he's the one fucking DB character that stays fucking dead
Fair enough. I like the family/fatherhood angle of the finale personally, I think it's pretty cathartic.
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