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7/2/2025, 9:07:07 PM
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>>24514916
Bit like asking an evolutionary biologist for a photo of the original mammal. I can show you this reconstruction of Pre-Hellenic traditions.
>Zero correlation with my point.
Myths survive because they're politically useful to the societies that tell them. Not because it reveals eternal human truths. I'd say that does correlate back to your argument. The core premise of why myths exist. Try to situate the myth within its historical and ritual context. An immense amount of work still has to be done before the great confused corpus of Greek myth can be properly classified. Political myths must be distinguished from ritual or calendar myths - and often they are closely interwoven (e.g. the Argonauts and the Odyssey).
You keep saying Homer and Sophocles as if they're primordial. Homer is 8th century BC. We have Hittite and Mesopotamian parallels going back to 1400 BCE that show these were political succession stories, not family psychology.
>300 are the years between Homer and Sophocles
The Homer who wrote the Odyssey probably lived much close to Sophocles. About three and a half centuries separates it from the Iliad.
By the Classical era and Plato, the Greeks had gone wrong. They tried to decry myth. They tried to put in its place what we would now call scientific concepts. They tried to give it a literal explanation. Socrates jokes about myths, and Horace makes fun of them. When put to it, Socrates could clarify a myth in a way that deprived it of all sense. They simply had no use for poetic thought.
>>24514916
Bit like asking an evolutionary biologist for a photo of the original mammal. I can show you this reconstruction of Pre-Hellenic traditions.
>Zero correlation with my point.
Myths survive because they're politically useful to the societies that tell them. Not because it reveals eternal human truths. I'd say that does correlate back to your argument. The core premise of why myths exist. Try to situate the myth within its historical and ritual context. An immense amount of work still has to be done before the great confused corpus of Greek myth can be properly classified. Political myths must be distinguished from ritual or calendar myths - and often they are closely interwoven (e.g. the Argonauts and the Odyssey).
You keep saying Homer and Sophocles as if they're primordial. Homer is 8th century BC. We have Hittite and Mesopotamian parallels going back to 1400 BCE that show these were political succession stories, not family psychology.
>300 are the years between Homer and Sophocles
The Homer who wrote the Odyssey probably lived much close to Sophocles. About three and a half centuries separates it from the Iliad.
By the Classical era and Plato, the Greeks had gone wrong. They tried to decry myth. They tried to put in its place what we would now call scientific concepts. They tried to give it a literal explanation. Socrates jokes about myths, and Horace makes fun of them. When put to it, Socrates could clarify a myth in a way that deprived it of all sense. They simply had no use for poetic thought.
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