>>530081751
those older traction trebuchets pale in comparison to proper European counterweight trebuchets
so much so when the Mongols launched their conquest of Song China in the 1260s they brought along European(most likely from the Crusader States vassalised by the Ilkhagnate) siege engineers to build what they called "Frankish Mangonels", European style counterweight trebuchets that severely outraged Chinese artillery and could batter down Chinese fortifications previously impregnable to Mongol assaults