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6/14/2025, 6:18:50 PM
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>Ned comes to court and announces Joff is a bastard
>Joffrey asks Ned if he's willing to back up his claims with evidence at a formal court hearing
>Ned agrees and tells the court of Jon Arryn's last words, that being "the seed is strong". Ned claims it refers to the Baratheon's bloodline.
>Ned brings up all the other examples of Baratheon black winning out against the Lannister blonde, then points to Joffrey and siblings' hair colours.
>He tells the court about Cersei admitting to him that she and Jamie are lovers. His evidences end here.
>Joffrey points out that Lord Arryn's last words could refer to anything and Ned has no evidence that points to it actually referring to Robert.
>He asks Grand Maester Pycelle whether there were any known cases of children inheriting after their mother yet still being legitimate
>Pycelle brings up Baelor Breakspear, Prince Matarys, Daeron son of Maekar, Duncan son of Aegon, Rhaenys daughter of Rhaegar and Alyssa Targaryen. He adds that even among house Blackfyre, there were two, Daemon and Calla, who both inherited from their mother instead of their father. All of these examples, yet all of them were legitimate and not rumored to be bastards.
>IF RLJ is true, then Ned here likely also thinks of Jon having Lyanna's features rather than Rhaegar's, which would make him doubt his own claim.
>He also asks Ned whether he thinks his 4 children with Tully features are also all illegitimate too. Perhaps the children of Catelyn and Edmure? Or maybe Ned's seed is not strong? Either way Ned answers he is either a hypocrite or shames himself and/or his wife in front of everyone.
>Lastly Joffrey asks Cersei if he said such a thing to Lord Stark (that she and Jamie are lovers)
>Cersei denies telling that to Lord Stark
>Joffrey asks if Ned has any witnesses to that conversation
>Ned replies that Varys or Littlefinger must have had spies there who heard.
>Joffrey asks Varys and Littlefinger if they had heard of this conversation from their spies
>They both deny it
>Ned's claim has been DESTROYED with FACTS and LOGIC.
>Ned is given a chance to plead for mercy
>If he does he is given a pardon and made to swear an oath of loyalty to King Joffrey and his family. After that he is allowed to go home, but Sansa and Arya are to remain as hostages. Ned keeps to this oath for the rest of his life, since he is honourable and also doesn't want anything to happen to Sansa and Arya.
>If he denies, he gets imprisoned. When Robb raises his banners, he is given the ultimatum to stand down and swear loyalty and have his father and sisters returned, or have all three of them be executed. Robb likely stands down. If he doesn't, let things play out and red wedding him.
it's as shrimple as that
>Ned comes to court and announces Joff is a bastard
>Joffrey asks Ned if he's willing to back up his claims with evidence at a formal court hearing
>Ned agrees and tells the court of Jon Arryn's last words, that being "the seed is strong". Ned claims it refers to the Baratheon's bloodline.
>Ned brings up all the other examples of Baratheon black winning out against the Lannister blonde, then points to Joffrey and siblings' hair colours.
>He tells the court about Cersei admitting to him that she and Jamie are lovers. His evidences end here.
>Joffrey points out that Lord Arryn's last words could refer to anything and Ned has no evidence that points to it actually referring to Robert.
>He asks Grand Maester Pycelle whether there were any known cases of children inheriting after their mother yet still being legitimate
>Pycelle brings up Baelor Breakspear, Prince Matarys, Daeron son of Maekar, Duncan son of Aegon, Rhaenys daughter of Rhaegar and Alyssa Targaryen. He adds that even among house Blackfyre, there were two, Daemon and Calla, who both inherited from their mother instead of their father. All of these examples, yet all of them were legitimate and not rumored to be bastards.
>IF RLJ is true, then Ned here likely also thinks of Jon having Lyanna's features rather than Rhaegar's, which would make him doubt his own claim.
>He also asks Ned whether he thinks his 4 children with Tully features are also all illegitimate too. Perhaps the children of Catelyn and Edmure? Or maybe Ned's seed is not strong? Either way Ned answers he is either a hypocrite or shames himself and/or his wife in front of everyone.
>Lastly Joffrey asks Cersei if he said such a thing to Lord Stark (that she and Jamie are lovers)
>Cersei denies telling that to Lord Stark
>Joffrey asks if Ned has any witnesses to that conversation
>Ned replies that Varys or Littlefinger must have had spies there who heard.
>Joffrey asks Varys and Littlefinger if they had heard of this conversation from their spies
>They both deny it
>Ned's claim has been DESTROYED with FACTS and LOGIC.
>Ned is given a chance to plead for mercy
>If he does he is given a pardon and made to swear an oath of loyalty to King Joffrey and his family. After that he is allowed to go home, but Sansa and Arya are to remain as hostages. Ned keeps to this oath for the rest of his life, since he is honourable and also doesn't want anything to happen to Sansa and Arya.
>If he denies, he gets imprisoned. When Robb raises his banners, he is given the ultimatum to stand down and swear loyalty and have his father and sisters returned, or have all three of them be executed. Robb likely stands down. If he doesn't, let things play out and red wedding him.
it's as shrimple as that
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