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7/15/2025, 5:42:29 PM
>>96090535
Pax Ren is great, but you're reliant on the card row. You're not choking anyone out if you all you've got is apostasy, trade shifts, and 1 agent card regime change cards.
>>96090754
The goal posts have seemed to shifted. I'm not saying there aren't more hardcore games than Ark Nova. I've played a lot of the games you've listed, and enjoy them. I was mostly calling out the previous anon for calling it multiplayer solitaire and listed several mechanics beyond the normal racing for objectives or a card in the market you see in every euro that people consider "interaction". I've got around 400 games of Ark Nova under my belt, mostly 2p and about 30-40 at higher player counts and it's one of those games that opens up the more plays you have. You don't realize how much opportunity there is to deny the opponent their actions, tempo, and resources until you play people who are actually good at the game. You definitely can't judge it in 1 play like previous anon alluded to.
>>96094195
Depends on what you like, but I've played Gugong and Stroganov and consider them mostly unremarkable compared to Hansa T. Gugong has this weird card bidding system that didn't quite work for me and a track that requires you to reach to the top to even be considered to win which I find uninteresting. Stroganov kind of refined the Parks style side-scroller movement with some other point salad mechanics tossed on top, but the stuff surrounding that movement mechanic is boring shit in every other euro like set collection and progressive logarithmic victory point bonuses. Stroganov is the better game of the two, but there's no reason to play it more than 2-3 times sadly.
Pax Ren is great, but you're reliant on the card row. You're not choking anyone out if you all you've got is apostasy, trade shifts, and 1 agent card regime change cards.
>>96090754
The goal posts have seemed to shifted. I'm not saying there aren't more hardcore games than Ark Nova. I've played a lot of the games you've listed, and enjoy them. I was mostly calling out the previous anon for calling it multiplayer solitaire and listed several mechanics beyond the normal racing for objectives or a card in the market you see in every euro that people consider "interaction". I've got around 400 games of Ark Nova under my belt, mostly 2p and about 30-40 at higher player counts and it's one of those games that opens up the more plays you have. You don't realize how much opportunity there is to deny the opponent their actions, tempo, and resources until you play people who are actually good at the game. You definitely can't judge it in 1 play like previous anon alluded to.
>>96094195
Depends on what you like, but I've played Gugong and Stroganov and consider them mostly unremarkable compared to Hansa T. Gugong has this weird card bidding system that didn't quite work for me and a track that requires you to reach to the top to even be considered to win which I find uninteresting. Stroganov kind of refined the Parks style side-scroller movement with some other point salad mechanics tossed on top, but the stuff surrounding that movement mechanic is boring shit in every other euro like set collection and progressive logarithmic victory point bonuses. Stroganov is the better game of the two, but there's no reason to play it more than 2-3 times sadly.
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