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7/2/2025, 12:25:55 AM
>>24510148
>This means that Fukuyama is the one that actually has the last laugh of course -- even liberalism's critics are just boring liberals.
This reminded me of something. I was watching an old interview of Henry Kissinger by William F. Buckley from, like, 1975. It was pretty boring and nothing to really write about, but they were down bad because Saigon had just fallen to the communists. And Buckley was talking about whether Spengler had anything to say about this moment, and Kissinger more on the side of "Spengler pointed to some tendencies and we need to cope with this but it's not predestined that the West will fall" and it turned out that Kissinger was right.
I think it's kind of the nature of conservatism to sigh. It's always "sigh..." and then a treatise about losing something.
>>24510258
>Really? I don't think china or the saudis want to be like america
Sort of? Look at this:
https://youtu.be/C_BZQkU5Cds
It's not a liberal system of government. But Chinese are really imitative in reality, and the Saudis have for a long time now been rather bipolar about this. Out in public, it was all Wahhabism and the Mutaween (religious police), but inside people were living totally Americanized consumer lifestyles in which everything that we have here was available there. But the days of the religious police and well and truly dead. The thing is, MBS needs to do this to develop the economy, and to build a more complex economy than just relying on oil exports.
>>24510281
>Did the saudis stop beheading fags/dissidents recently or something?
It's more cultural / social liberalization that is fairly radical for Saudi Arabia combined with an intensifying repression of anybody who says shit about the government, so if you say anything on Twitter they'll arrest you or kill / disappear you. This also goes for the jihadi / Muslim Brotherhood / whatever types.
>This means that Fukuyama is the one that actually has the last laugh of course -- even liberalism's critics are just boring liberals.
This reminded me of something. I was watching an old interview of Henry Kissinger by William F. Buckley from, like, 1975. It was pretty boring and nothing to really write about, but they were down bad because Saigon had just fallen to the communists. And Buckley was talking about whether Spengler had anything to say about this moment, and Kissinger more on the side of "Spengler pointed to some tendencies and we need to cope with this but it's not predestined that the West will fall" and it turned out that Kissinger was right.
I think it's kind of the nature of conservatism to sigh. It's always "sigh..." and then a treatise about losing something.
>>24510258
>Really? I don't think china or the saudis want to be like america
Sort of? Look at this:
https://youtu.be/C_BZQkU5Cds
It's not a liberal system of government. But Chinese are really imitative in reality, and the Saudis have for a long time now been rather bipolar about this. Out in public, it was all Wahhabism and the Mutaween (religious police), but inside people were living totally Americanized consumer lifestyles in which everything that we have here was available there. But the days of the religious police and well and truly dead. The thing is, MBS needs to do this to develop the economy, and to build a more complex economy than just relying on oil exports.
>>24510281
>Did the saudis stop beheading fags/dissidents recently or something?
It's more cultural / social liberalization that is fairly radical for Saudi Arabia combined with an intensifying repression of anybody who says shit about the government, so if you say anything on Twitter they'll arrest you or kill / disappear you. This also goes for the jihadi / Muslim Brotherhood / whatever types.
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