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7/20/2025, 11:34:56 PM
>>17858126
>Various results and studies I've seen, most recently this one: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ajpa.70037
I'm the one who posted that study on /his/.
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17790416/#q17792183
Central-Western Bulgarians (from around Kyustendil, Sofia, Tran, Osogovo, Blagoevgrad, etc...) are the "med"-shifted ones. These are the Bulgarians with the greatest linguistic affinity to the Struma Valley (SW Bulgaria) and the Macedonia region. It corroborates the pie chart indicating Macedonian Pomaks have smaller amounts of Slavic ancestry, no? There are also proto-Albanian toponyms in CW Bulgaria so again, linguists are in line with geneticists. SE (Thracian Valley) Bulgarians cluster closest to their Rhodope and Central (Balkan Mountain) counterparts, which makes sense considering that Rhodope and Balkan dialects extend into the Thracian Plain + Strandzha-Sakar range. In fact, SE Bulgarians plot closer to NW Bulgarians than even CW Bulgarians do.
https://ibl.bas.bg/interaktivna-dialektna-karta-na-balgarskiya-ezik/
Also, you're vastly underestimating how endogamous Bulgarian communities in Thrace were to assume they have recent Greek ancestry. The Thracian hinterland was a depopulated wasteland during the late Middle Ages, most Bulgarians are late arrivals from the 15th to 17th centuries who hardly encountered a native population to assimilate. Today, the area is a patchwork of different dialects reflecting the migrants' places of origin because they rarely intermarried even with fellow Slavic-speakers. On that topic, a small area of SE Bulgaria (the western part of Strandzha) was settled by migrants from Kyustendil during the 1500's, which could explain "med"-shifted outliers. I could dig up my sources for most of this info but it would be a gigantic waste of my time to do that on the shittiest least serious board on all of 4chan. This is already much more of an effortpost than this place deserves.
>Various results and studies I've seen, most recently this one: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ajpa.70037
I'm the one who posted that study on /his/.
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17790416/#q17792183
Central-Western Bulgarians (from around Kyustendil, Sofia, Tran, Osogovo, Blagoevgrad, etc...) are the "med"-shifted ones. These are the Bulgarians with the greatest linguistic affinity to the Struma Valley (SW Bulgaria) and the Macedonia region. It corroborates the pie chart indicating Macedonian Pomaks have smaller amounts of Slavic ancestry, no? There are also proto-Albanian toponyms in CW Bulgaria so again, linguists are in line with geneticists. SE (Thracian Valley) Bulgarians cluster closest to their Rhodope and Central (Balkan Mountain) counterparts, which makes sense considering that Rhodope and Balkan dialects extend into the Thracian Plain + Strandzha-Sakar range. In fact, SE Bulgarians plot closer to NW Bulgarians than even CW Bulgarians do.
https://ibl.bas.bg/interaktivna-dialektna-karta-na-balgarskiya-ezik/
Also, you're vastly underestimating how endogamous Bulgarian communities in Thrace were to assume they have recent Greek ancestry. The Thracian hinterland was a depopulated wasteland during the late Middle Ages, most Bulgarians are late arrivals from the 15th to 17th centuries who hardly encountered a native population to assimilate. Today, the area is a patchwork of different dialects reflecting the migrants' places of origin because they rarely intermarried even with fellow Slavic-speakers. On that topic, a small area of SE Bulgaria (the western part of Strandzha) was settled by migrants from Kyustendil during the 1500's, which could explain "med"-shifted outliers. I could dig up my sources for most of this info but it would be a gigantic waste of my time to do that on the shittiest least serious board on all of 4chan. This is already much more of an effortpost than this place deserves.
7/20/2025, 11:30:48 PM
>>17858126
>Various results and studies I've seen, most recently this one: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ajpa.70037
I'm the one who posted that study on /his/.
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17790416/#q17792183
Central-Western Bulgarians (from around Kyustendil, Sofia, Tran, Osogovo, Blagoevgrad, etc...) are the "med"-shifted ones. These are the Bulgarians with the greatest linguistic affinity to the Struma Valley (SW Bulgaria) and the Macedonia region. It corroborates the pie chart indicating Macedonian Pomaks have smaller amounts of Slavic ancestry, no? There are also proto-Albanian toponyms in SC Bulgaria so again, linguists are in line with geneticists. SE (Thracian Valley) Bulgarians cluster closest to their Rhodope and Central (Balkan Mountain) counterparts, which makes sense considering that Rhodope and Balkan dialects extend into the Thracian Plain + Strandzha-Sakar range (SE Bulgaria). In fact, SE Bulgarians plot closer to NW Bulgarians than even SC Bulgarians do.
https://ibl.bas.bg/interaktivna-dialektna-karta-na-balgarskiya-ezik/
Also, you're vastly underestimating how endogamous Bulgarian communities in Thrace were to assume they have recent Greek ancestry. The Thracian hinterland was a depopulated wasteland during the late Middle Ages, most Bulgarians are late arrivals from the 15th to 17th centuries who hardly encountered a native population to assimilate. Today, the area is a patchwork of different dialects reflecting the migrants' places of origin because they rarely intermarried even with fellow Slavic-speakers. On that topic, a small area of SE Bulgaria (the western area of Strandzha) was settled by migrants from Kyustendil during the 1500's, which could explain "med"-shifted outliers. I could dig up my sources for most of this info but it would be a gigantic waste of my time to do that on the shittiest least serious board on all of 4chan. This is already much more of an effortpost than this place deserves.
>Various results and studies I've seen, most recently this one: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ajpa.70037
I'm the one who posted that study on /his/.
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17790416/#q17792183
Central-Western Bulgarians (from around Kyustendil, Sofia, Tran, Osogovo, Blagoevgrad, etc...) are the "med"-shifted ones. These are the Bulgarians with the greatest linguistic affinity to the Struma Valley (SW Bulgaria) and the Macedonia region. It corroborates the pie chart indicating Macedonian Pomaks have smaller amounts of Slavic ancestry, no? There are also proto-Albanian toponyms in SC Bulgaria so again, linguists are in line with geneticists. SE (Thracian Valley) Bulgarians cluster closest to their Rhodope and Central (Balkan Mountain) counterparts, which makes sense considering that Rhodope and Balkan dialects extend into the Thracian Plain + Strandzha-Sakar range (SE Bulgaria). In fact, SE Bulgarians plot closer to NW Bulgarians than even SC Bulgarians do.
https://ibl.bas.bg/interaktivna-dialektna-karta-na-balgarskiya-ezik/
Also, you're vastly underestimating how endogamous Bulgarian communities in Thrace were to assume they have recent Greek ancestry. The Thracian hinterland was a depopulated wasteland during the late Middle Ages, most Bulgarians are late arrivals from the 15th to 17th centuries who hardly encountered a native population to assimilate. Today, the area is a patchwork of different dialects reflecting the migrants' places of origin because they rarely intermarried even with fellow Slavic-speakers. On that topic, a small area of SE Bulgaria (the western area of Strandzha) was settled by migrants from Kyustendil during the 1500's, which could explain "med"-shifted outliers. I could dig up my sources for most of this info but it would be a gigantic waste of my time to do that on the shittiest least serious board on all of 4chan. This is already much more of an effortpost than this place deserves.
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