Definitively wonky and needs more work, but i doodled it in 10 mins the bigger face. i finally know what i'm missing, it's a chunk of the cheek, i was aligning hte cheek bone with it being right below the eyes and curving down, now i added a 'chunk' to the farther cheek sde and it looks much better. The little one is one of many that look similar with an odd looking face, because it lacks that side of the face. Finally i think this is what has been plaguing me regarding drawing faces