Thread 7608229

Please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
DO NOT REPLY to crabs, nodraws, talent debates or howies and instead focus on posted works and sketches!

>STICKY:
Completed: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vm4IJpq0Mbvb-Krl5_mJ_m6TsC_qjsaN/view
New collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
w/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/
Hardcore: https://hackmd.io/7k0XRnIQR6SValR77TDfZw?view

>WHERE to get study materials
annas-archive.org
>>>/ic/artbook
>>>/ic/video

>Want to practice figures?
quickposes.com
sketchdaily.net
characterdesigns.com
lovelifedrawing.com
posemy.art
line-of-action.com

>PYW and give your feedback
What can be improved?
Are there any resources videos or books you'd recommend to them?
Maybe a redline or a technique, be specific.
Try to reply to someone as you post your own work.

>Cool teachers
Glenn Vilppu
Michael Hampton
Steve Huston
Brent Eviston
Marco Bucci
Andrew Loomis
George Bridgman
Hikaru Hayashi

>Cool books
Keys To Drawing
Drawing With the Right Side of the Brain
How To Draw Comics the Marvel Way
The Art and Science of Drawing
Framed Perspective
Figure Drawing For All It's Worth
The Complete Guide to Drawing From Life

Last thread: >>7606568

Can someone explain how the fuck this works? I'm trying to do the Loomis ball and plane method but everything looks too complicated for me. I don't know what I'm doing.

Thread challenge: No veiny penises posted this thread
Reward upon completion: Pizza party next Wednesday. ints get 1 slice. Begs get half a slice(you have to fight over who gets the bigger end.)

>>7608257
we eating good

>>7608257
my impressionistic impression of a veiny penis

I have no idea what I'm doing. I'm trying the ball and plane method.

"fun"

recently started to color things. any tipps?

I want to be good like favelachad instead of being yet another hopeless beg.

big guy

All my life I've wanted to write, make stories, and draw comics, but the motivation to actually go through with it has never really been there for me. I've never completed a multichapter in my entire life and I've never been able to draw a single comic let alone draw much of anything for my whole life. I want to be an artist and do something, but I can't ever seem to make anything.

What should I do?

>>7608300
find a nice AI pic with a similar pose and then just copy the rendering and colors exactly
trust me it's what all the pros do

"fun"

>>7608305
hes really hot

my waif is almost ready

>>7608308
....copy it? how? also I think I stick to coloring without AI if possible. have to make her hair a little red.

>>7608305
doodle

I spent 10 mins rendering a bean just now

posting in the beg thread cuz this is definitely a beg piece of work

Definitively wonky and needs more work, but i doodled it in 10 mins the bigger face. i finally know what i'm missing, it's a chunk of the cheek, i was aligning hte cheek bone with it being right below the eyes and curving down, now i added a 'chunk' to the farther cheek sde and it looks much better. The little one is one of many that look similar with an odd looking face, because it lacks that side of the face. Finally i think this is what has been plaguing me regarding drawing faces

>>7608336
Kind of amusing that it was this post that got me to realize what i had been messing up, besides the amusing text, i stared at the faces and realized they all had an extra 'chunk' there which i never took in consideration

Waiting for paint to dry to do more night layers, then add a little to the trees and speckle some stars in. Probably going to hit all the grass with blue paint to mellow out the streaking

>>7608336
you're on the right track, anon. keep going!!

>>7608343
Do you really believe that bullshit?
Others have gone from prebeg to med in that timeframe and you think he is doing good?
Fucking grifter.

wonky

>>7608345
I'm personally really happy, finally that side clicked, now i can go back to doodling, or even doing more full illustrations. No wonder the couple of art pieces that i drew best were front sides as i didn't have to worry about the cheeks

>>7608345
tongue my fat, stinky anus you goblin

can't do my usual shitty doodle spam bc I have comms

another try with colors

>>7608378
nice, very good!

>>7608379
Thanks! I started using Krita and a draw pad a few months ago but coloring...maybe a week or something. Krita is awesome

Some gatos
>>7608340
>>7608342
These are awesome

>>7608385
I like #2. Just watch out because the whiskers and snouts on some of these are looking more rat-like than cat.

Any tips for consistent ear positioning?

>>7608391
Bottom of the nose, top of the ear. Ear is one third of head’s length

>>7608390
Thanks. Yeah, still try to figure out faces. I've had a few cats turn into bears or rats already lmao. The hardest part is figuring out what lines are better off omitted for a more stylized or attractive presentation

Today’s doodle, using blind contour for organics and environments is a nice trick. Definitely going to use it more often.

>>7608234
>I don't know what I'm doing.
It’s ok, What nobody tells you about Loomis is that you need a good understanding of form to use it effectively. If you keep going without that, you’ll only get discouraged. Instead, copy simple drawings you like, learn how to draw a box, pyramid and sphere, and do the exercises from Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain. You’ll progress much faster that way.

keep drawing

>>7608313
I don't like the baby teeth.


>>7608322
too much values looks muddy, cut the range start with 2 value statement and progress from there.

>>7608336
cute keep going

>>7608342
this one is awesome

Oh forgot to post this guy

>>7608422
>>7608287
>>7608305
alright guys we'll try again next week

>>7608424
uh can i still get some pizza... i'm hungary

Shaak ti

>>7608430
Ahsoka next

>>7608418
>blind contour
Can you explain what that is?

figure practice

>>7608385
Did you studied Vilppu? Those looks great!

>>7608438
I've studied Vilppu a little bit but still need to get through Drawing Manual front to back. Haven't really drawn humans yet. Great pic btw, I see you felt the form

>>7608229 (OP)
Recent life sketches

>>7608447
>>7608448
>>7608449
>>7608450
Kino

>>7608450
>>7608449
>>7608448
>>7608447
so much peak

waist looks kinda fucked up, could someone tell me how I could fix it?

>>7608385
i like this a lot

>>7608453
>>7608454
Thank you anons :)

Poses from imagination, any tips would be appreciated.

warmup with a cat
>>7608310
so glad we agree

>>7608320
THANK YOU SO MUCH, I wonder if him and the deer would get along

>>7608418
I think I should use this to draw organic stuff more often, so thank you in advance for giving me this idea!

>>7608424
I do what I want

>>7608450
clean as hell, amazing work man

>>7608437
It’s a common beginner exercise where you draw the contour of things in a single stroke without looking at the drawing. I never used it beyond that, but today I was watching a lecture on tree sketching where they mentioned that blind contour is the quickest way to sketch this type of environment. It adds imperfections easily, which is great for organics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1eiEsZ2Lig

>>7608438
Your lineart is really good, but there are a few odd choices. The boob being inscribed inside the arm looks weird, same with the left glute.

beside that, you drew the left shoulder beautifully

>>7608455
The waist isn’t well pronounced as a consequence of the pelvic bone not being wide enough.

>>7608461
i think they'd get a long I should draw them together...
very pretty cat!!

>>7608461
Thanks! Love the cat, those calves are very expressive.

>>7608464
that makes sense, thx. was there anything else that stood out to you as needing fixing?

>>7608350
How come right is way better than your usual work? Is it the power of coom?

>>7608472
Doodles are doodles, i do them to practice shapes and general body twists and whatever positions. From there the actual body and rendering and everything else is more so a matter of putting time than anything else. The full illustrations are good as a general check up to see my actual level and progress, but simpler doodles help to practice things more efficiently like learning new ways to color the eyes, or render stockings or such. Doing a full illustration would be too bothersome and i saw how it didn't provided that many insights besides the small focus they have. Like in this case it was just the golden bikini, i'd likely have learned the same amount from a quick doodle with only the bikini colored and rendered.
Plus some waifu blindness as i have said, her design is complex and i overthink it, plus i don't want to draw her naked for anyone to see but myself, so her clothes are kind of an issue, the naked body is much easier than the clothed one
So just more time spent into it, i've been trying to practice being quicker, hence the doodles

>>7608479
KINO KINO KINO SOUL kino composition I love the big cow!

>>7608471
I think that you should just practice general construction of the body in general because as of now it’s pretty flat. What you’re drawing seems fairly challenging though. Is this from ref or imagination?

>>7608462
Those odd choices are just my confusion with what i see on ref. I'm trying to be accurate with drawing body to get better with those anatomical nuances
usually i would just bullshit it to look good haha. Thanks for pointing out.

>>7608480
:) thank you, you made my night

>>7608482
it was from a ref yea, i wanted to try something that was more challenging for me

mostly been doing quick sketches today, heres some environment practice

>>7608465
beefy match made in beefy heaven, also thank you!

>>7608467
I mean talk about expressive holy shit, you're very good at portraying life even when it's still. like that dog drawing doesn't look stiff at all

head practice + some doodles
I almost finished the whole sheet but I'm going to take a break because of back pain
>>7608479
the thumbnail looks really good

>>7608489
Frenchie please draw Lip for the love of God I am begging you I want to see you draw truly fucking monstruous cowtits.

>>7608487
Do you mind sharing the ref? It’ll make critique easier

>>7608488
Thanks anon! Nice drawing, where was this?

>>7608491
I'll make a doodle of her on the next sheet

>>7608489
may your back get better ('-')7

>>7608494
Thanks a lot Frenchie I love you and please take care of your back.

Here's an old sonic art i made.
What do you think?

>>7608499
color him yellow

>>7608499
i like the shapes you gave him, also, color him yellow.

How to draw massive fucking cocks? Any artist recc?

>>7608459
you are going to think that I'm fucking with you, but recently, I have been studying the 8 headed figure and it's been an extreme blessing and revelation for me personally. I had no idea how bad I was at proportions until I specifically started drilling this loomis diagram. The first chapter in Loomis' fdfaiw is actually fucking incredible, I recommend everyone drill all the diagrams in this book

Watch this video and practice on Loomis: https://youtu.be/RXb-Y_kz2aU

Draw the same ref in this way at least 10-20x before moving on, so you can give yourself a lot of iterations to drill the same image into your brain. Proportions are KING. The red lines in pic related are literally my "breakdown" stage that Ethan Becker talked about

Proportion, proportion, proportion. Drill those fundamentals baby

>>7608500
>>7608501
AH AH AH, i know what you're trying to make me do, lmao!

Anyway I guess working with a mouse on MSpaint is pretty good

>>7608484
I see, yeah that tit bothers me, good job anon I like the hair colors.

>>7608229 (OP)

>>7608507
Pretty difficult ref honestly

>>7608510
you can do good stuff with almost any material, to be honest. However i will never draw with a mouse since it requires a certain type of autism to get good at

>>7608489
those top view looking up angles are tricky stuff, keep in mind that sience you look from above everything below gonna appear smaller and this apply to your messures also.

>>7608479
Good composition

>>7608257
At least i tried. Still struggling with my brushes though.

>>7608489
Yeah, i guess that means the shapes are good, but i need to add details :_;
>>7608523
thank you, sadly i think the drawing looks a bit flat however i cant pinpoint the reason why

>>7608521
I love you nigger.

>>7608505
Thanks anon I'll work on my proportions.

I love bull shitting perspective

>>7608521
I appreciate the feedback

>>7608489
This is a bit nitpicky but I think that you’re drawing the same facial expression too often, which is limiting your ability to work with different facial expressions and understand how it influences the shape of the head

>>7607312
Page 23 done. Okay, I managed to fit in one page all of that conversation, so I don't have to do two pages of that. The ending is nearer.
>>7607439
Thank you so much, Tremor. These next pages are going to be painful, well not yet, since I want to add the Eusebia moment with the bouquet. But after that, I'm gonna get so drunk after this shit.
>>7608320
Goofy Egil? that's interesting, he needs a hat now
>>7608378
Beautiful beyond words
>>7608450
This one is really cool
>>7608505
Such a pleasing line style as always
>>7608489
I still can't believe how good you are, saved!
>>7608488
This is nice, I don't know exactly way, is relaxing
>>7608317
Did you draw this? This is excellent! Best in thread probably

>>7608539
>i got a (you) from the master
my life is complete

>>7608257
Naked woman challenge.
I made legs go too straight and otherwise they look flat but it is what it is

>>7608229 (OP)
Babies are hard to draw

I I start drawing seriously now, how many chances do I have that I will become a popular and super skilled social media artist like Eigaka, Krekkov, etc. and the likes by the time the 2030s roll in?

>>7608555
Favelachad already made it so pretty doable if you got some talent in you or just trace AI.

I like portraits

>>7608562
You gotta start charging rent soon. Dude has been living in your head rent-free for weeks now

>>7608514
hmmmm, anything more complex or more to tell of my work?

Aiza :)

>>7608479
That's nice big cow

>>7608525
I feel that shadow between shoulder and head is little too dark but otherwise it's good

>>7608569
There are few like him here, without talent nothing will come of it, neither on Twitter nor on 4chan you will get attention, even for help, you will simply be ignored

Besides, quantitative attempts won't lead to qualitative improvement if all you do is crap.

>>7608589
Haven't I seen this smug aiza begore

sum quick after a hiatus need to get muscle memory back
also need to practice how to draw genitals

>>7608608
his dick is tucked between his legs btw
also where tf is the nightly marielx post?

>>7608605
Ihave made smug Aiza before yeah so i assume you mean that. I just wanted to draw one again :>

hello, which is better for beg, drawing on paper or on tablet? i have an ipad pro and thought i could use it for drawing

>>7608610
Does aiza have some sort of story?

What is this style emulating, actually? Inks on oil?

>>7608615
Technically no, mostly just that she is outwardly sweet and graceful, with underlying obsessive side, and that she spends time around this group of girls. Just silly slice of life anime idea

>>7608617
>emulating
it's acrylic over ink

>>7608635
the piece is digital, is it not?

>>7608257
>No veiny penises
why not

>>7608317
>>7608539
Thnak you. Yes I did draw this. happy that somebody likes it!

how can i make the cock look better

>>7608677
would worry more about the face. the cock is fine.

>>7608680
the face is my favourite part though

>>7608229 (OP)
Any crits needed

>>7608617
WHAT DOES A HERO TRULY NEED?

>POV you are getting stendahl'd for 2 billion damage
Is there anything significantly wrong with the figgie? I feel like she looks aged up, but I'm not sure how to fix it.

>>7608701
By she I mean Maelle from E33 I am a retard expecting everyone to know who I am drawing

>>7608677
By making it so that female doesnt have one and instead draw male

>>7608701
Nice ! isnt she 15? got confused in this game with her age. Maybe I try to draw her later. also another colored one from me. dont know how to shade things with Krita tools.

>>7608705
anon you could improve a lot if you just managed to switch into a different mindset while figure drawing

have you ever done gesture drawing? how long have you been drawing? how long did this sketch take you?
do you know what is meant by "line of action"?

>>7608714
Yeah, she is 16. It's just a rough figure construction, I'll draw her clothes if that's why you are asking lol

>>7608489
I rested a bit and finished the last figure

>>7608719
>have you ever done gesture drawing?
Nope
>how long have you been drawing
Since the end of February, but I take a lot of breaks
>how long did this sketch take you
Around 20 minutes, I guess
>do you know what is meant by "line of action"?
Nope

>>7608723
her tits lost a bit of their volume-feel now that the lines are clean (and the ability to see through is gone)
maybe the tiniest amount of form-following hatching to indicate the form where the breasts "leave" the ribcage could fit in with your style
(you are indicating the collarbone too after all, even if it too is not a contour)

still admiring your clean drawing!

>>7608229 (OP)
Started drawing and painting like 4 weeks ago.
Wanna make more expressive and abstract art and stuff but i feel kinda lost
My current regiment is to find a piece on pinterest by a established artist, then study it from color, composition, value perspective and try to make my own version, is this a good regimen? I read a lot of theory.

>>7608724
today is your lucky day! you attracted the attention of the local gesture schizo :^)

20 minutes for that is not good. not only is it wasted time, but it should not take you that long for a figure with that amount of detail. i would recommend you try sketching quicker, focusing only on what is just outside your current skill.

see pic related. in 3d modeling there is a concept of "level of detail" "LOD" - when a model is displayed at a distance where the individual features become less important, the game renders the model in less and less detail to preserve computing power. you would benefit from drawing at a lower "level of detail" - namely something closer to gesture drawing.

you made many very fundamental mistakes in that figure, and each mistake makes it more likely that the features that depend on it become wrong too! you should aim to make the first lines of your drawing as good as possible!

but... "good" in this context does not mean perfect or accurate! if you fall into this trap, you get stuck and frustrated trying to draw details accurately (and failing) like the face of your drawing.
"good" in this context means a good basis for all the lines you are going to draw afterwards.

can you visualize the figure (the thread challenge) as a stick figure? try drawing it just as a stick figure, it shouldnt take you more than a couple of seconds

>>7608727
I'm going to take a nap and I'll test the hatching when I look at it again with fresh eyes.

I feel really bad for my beg buddy. I hope they realize that I am going to kill myself, and in my will they'll receive all my box studies.

>>7608699
pretty good. next time get some masking tape and center you drawing. Also try blurring part of the car to make it look faster like the background.

>>7608747

it is still terrible - but you just got the same amount of practice as your 20m drawing i would say. try to draw it again, making your lines less strict, direct, precise etc.
your lines only need to make your subsequent lines better (and better can be anything you wish, more accurate, more expressive, etc)

your stick figure drawing omits all the unnecessary bits (unnecessary for YOU at your CURRENT skill level) and allows you to practice just seeing correctly and placing good lines. see pic related, i tried to artificially make up what your attempts might look like.

note i am too starting out with a terrible stick figure, but with each attempt i try to make it better
after a while i start using softer lines which allow one to subtly correct lines by drawing over them with ease

note too that your lines do not have to strictly follow the anatomy! obviously, in the long run, you are going to make anatomically correct figures, but right now, and especially for this gesture practice, you can make lines that "feel" nice instead of following each body part precisely, and terminating at each joint etc

try redrawing that same figure and making your stick figure a bit better. it does not matter if you leave out details or draw inaccurately, just try to make a figure at this low "level of detail" as good as you can! keep trying over and over. remember, you took 20 minutes to create an abortion. you can now create 10 2minute abortions and you are guaranteed to learn and improve in the process!

>>7608720
I am not asking because of that. I was just for real confused about her age. Cool work! I try to draw hairy parts at the moment. I like the way you sketched the hair on Maelle

>>7608257
nice ref, here's my attempt.
struggled with the face, gotta study those properly sometime. lazy with the fingers and toes. exaggerated her hips too much and made her legs too skinny.

>>7608763
>added pubic hair
disgusting :(
not gonna make it

>>7608764
a pedophile wrote this post

>>7608747
>>7608753

after a while you will find that using just thin lines might work for the arms and legs, but is unsatisfactory for the torso

at that point you might start pushing your "level of detail" a bit further by approximating the chest and/or hips with a big lumpy form. or perhaps even the whole torso as one giant squishy potato

all the while keeping in mind, that the level of detail, the quality, your current understanding, etc of the foundation of a drawing determines how well you can build further details on top of that

if you find yourself struggling with placing small features, or agonizing about what the exact shape of a muscle is... chances are you are attempting to draw at a "level of detail" above your current skill

the more you practice like this, the better you become at seeing (and measuring with your eyes automatically) and gauging proportions, and sooner or later you will begin to draw more nuanced and more accurate forms because the foundation of your drawing is good enough to make the next steps easier

it is like building a house. if your basement concrete foundation is poor, your walls will be uneven, and this will make your roof leak and collapse

>>7608747
>>7608753
>>7608769

Permabeg trash. I'm retarded.

>>7608378
Blog bitte

>>7608778
its funny you post this, i am also currently drawing a chimera ant
love the design

>>7608774
Hi Cystic, you've already posted this image at least 5 times.

>>7608776
Blog? Wie meinst du das?
EN: Blog? What do you mean?

>>7608513
what game did they play?

>>7608701
I understood your reference :) I too obsessivley draw video game characters

>>7608809
er will deine social media junge

>>7608677
Thicke.

>>7608835
Hab ich halt noch nicht...aber könnt ich erstellen. Wär vielleicht sinnvoll. Junge Junge. Ich trau mich noch nich all zu lang sachen irgendwo hochzuladen.

Blunt colored somehow greek woman.

>>7608855
Nice. this looks straight out of a wikihow.article.

>>7608822
I think it was madden

>>7608867
dont know if thats bad or not

>>7608878
If you're good enough to have your work published by a website that means you're good enough to get paid. Congratulations.

>>7608855
make nipples more 3d, in particular the one turning away from us could use a nice bump from the rest of the boob
add pube stubble(important)
nice hands
i could spank my monkey
jork my meat
crank my hog
to this scooby-doocore milf

>>7608776
>>7608378
reactivated my old deviantart account. And uploaded the first image. Name on Deviant art is "Wolfenfirst"

>>7608758
>>7608900
3D nipples are Kinda hard (lol) but I will add pubic hair for sure like on skinny tess...thanks for advice!

>>7608257
No thanks, Ugly Casca lookalike with big meaty clit. I did my own ref tho,

>>7608539
very peak peril, i love how you're drawing the autarch! and his dialogue
his smug little face lol
enjoying this tangent a lot

>>7608918
Lovely work
Unironically like this one more than the random whore, godspeed anon, good job

guys can we stop being sexist

>>7608942
Theirs no such thing as sexism or racism, only pattern recognition

>>7608942
hm? what you talking about?

>>7608945
posing nude doesnt make you a whore

>>7608942
no can you be quiet?

>>7608942
Im sexist

>>7608946
erm.. yeah it does?

>>7608942
>>7608944
>>7608945
>>7608946
>>7608948
>>7608960
kill yourself
reported
hidden

>>7608942
That's a good one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGJEOHWKft0

>>7608257
nice ref, single light source. mistakes were made but pleased with the results.

>>7608728
>is this a good regimen?
for 4 weeks I don't think so, you are lacking something really important, how the painting you are copying was made, and it shows you don't know. I would suggest starting with the book how-to-see-color-and-paint-it by arthur stern.

>>7608699
I can feel the weight and force, the environment feels smaller than the car, feels cramped.

>>7608461
post your organics dude! draw 2011 cheetara with those legs

>>7608753
Here are my attempts, and that's only a small amount. I will try more tomorrow

>>7608699
>has a deco 01 (v2?)
>peak drawing technology to price ratio
>draws traditionally
unironically, unequivocally, ngmi

>>7608950
>"screenshot.png"
>is clearly a photo
ngmi

>>7608918
>drawing anything but nude anime girls
ngmi

>>7608904
>using deviantart in current year
ngmi

>>7608809
>>7608855
jokes aside, why would you draw something so hideous if you are clearly capable of drawing cute and sexy girls...?

>>7608763
>not varying hard and soft form shadow transitions
>not reducing the subject to a handful of discrete value ranges to help you discern the planes of the body easier
>not making smaller and more deliberate simplified reflections
ngmi im afraid

>>7608989
>not trying more TODAY
ngmi
(good job anon, im rooting for you<3)

Some stuff this morning.
I think if I'm going to use conte I need a much larger canvas so I can work with details easier. I really love its rich pigment

I suck at color, should stick to monochrome desu. It's fun to play around with though.

>>7608994
>good job anon, im rooting for you<3)
Thank you :)

>>7608994
Not in this list, IGMI YAY!

>>7609021
darkest spots in the rock / environment are brighter than the darkest spots on the character
lit spots on the character are rich, full, saturated while environment suggests heavily orange lighting
color choices overall clash

your character and environment are basically two separate (decent) pictures photoshopped into a single image

make the characters colors muted (brighter darks and more reddish tone overall) and they will fit better

>>7609025
>not worthy of my joking ngmi posts
anon... i have bad news for you im afraid :(

>>7609031
Hmm ill give it a shot, I have no idea how to match the colors with the bg, it's been an issue the whole time I was making the background desu.

>>7609034
i could try and give you a shitty explanation of my own limited experience with color... but you might be better off simply doing some research on your own

literally all i could say would boil down to
>just set a multiply layer with orange over your character
it would *technically* be a good approximation of what happens in real life with colors under a strongly tinted light, but it would produce an awful painting. (you could try it and fiddle with it though to see how it ends up looking)

also, like everything painting related you cant go wrong binging every video of "marco bucci" on youtube!

one piece of advice i am confident on though, is doing small rough paintings from photo reference. just a close up of a womans tits in a white bikini
>in shadow
>in sunshine
>in studio lighting
>etc
will give you a good insight into how the lighting affects the local colors (white bikini fabric in this case)

>>7609038
>better than me at figure drawing
ngmi
>:(

>>7609044
I did some stuff with gradient maps and lowered the overall brightness on the rocks in the front. I'm not sure if it looks much better though but at least the character fits in more with the background. Might need to add some orange rim lights.

I am using a real-life photo of a person as a reference for the pose/lighting, made up the background myself obviously but it's kinda hard to get the details of the lighting right

>>7608994
Hideous? why? Or its just about age and a petite body? here something thats not done jet.

>>7608257
..wip perhaps?

>>7608699
Continuing with an example. I don’t think conventional blurring helps give a crisp sense of speed. like >>7608744 suggested, blurring by hatching feels like the best approach. My example uses a pixel sort effect on the contours, applied only along the x-axis.

The real challenge is figuring out how to apply something like this in traditional media in a reliable way. I’m thinking of using a piece of torn cardboard with dry ink and conventional hatching.

>>7609061
>>7608699
Look at initial D manga for inspiration

thread challenge

>>7609017
Some more messing around with conte crayons.
>>7608553
Your life drawings are so goated. I hope one day I can capture this much detail from a moving subject. How do you fill in the hair like the afro btw? Looks like it would be time-consuming unless you're quickly filling it in with a brush pen; do you usually fill that in after drawing everything else?

>>7609075
Looks nice

>>7609061
The trees are all the same size which kind of takes away from the randomness/blurriness of the drawing since they appear too uniform. Looks good otherwise though

>>7609078
Thanks anon! I love your cats as well. To answer your question, I just fill in the Afro shape with the pen I’m using (0.7 sharpie). It’s pretty time consuming but it feels more satisfying than going over it with a brush pen because I can ensure that I won’t draw outside of the shape. And yea I usually fill in hair last/once I leave, getting the clothes/faces/body in is generally more important and difficult to capture

>>7609080
thank you!
>>7609078
best cat so far

everything is about numbers, i hate it

>>7608942
no

>>7609097
I like him

>>7608257
I like her pussy

>>7609100
thank you, he is very cute

rainy day
father's day tomorrow
had an migraine
drew something with a hand that was challenging

>>7609048
you'll want to select the character and the pillar, go to color balance, and crank up the red and yellow on midtones and highlights

>>7609071
ahh yeah the eurobeat cartoon, can you use screentones with watercolor paper? that would be cool

>>7609084
this was just an experiment to give ideas to the anon who drew the image, you can split the image in layers and apply different parameters to each to get more aggressive effect on the background.

>>7608257
this one is too hard, gave up

>>7609138
>can you use screentones with watercolor paper? that would be cool
not sure to be honest, just pay attention to the hatching they're doing. the screentones dont matter that much for what you're trying to achieve.

>>7609128
Thanks for the tips, I tried a little more got this now and giving up for now. Took 3 hours total already it's too long
On to the next turd to polish

>>7609142
i think your drawing is genuinely cuter than the real model
if her breasts and legs were a little better - your sketch would be more fappable than the ref in every regard

and another one

>>7609151
also, instead of crushing all darks into a similar blackness, you could unify character + bg by bringing the darks of the character up. similar effect but it would allow you to make the overall feel of the pic brighter

>>7609151
did you find the sliders? shit's still green like a goblin

>>7609152
thanks king, I think I'm gonna draw some more today then

>>7609161
wait.. no.. i dont want you to improve further beyond me :( no... NOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>7609157
>>7609158
He is supposed to be green goblin kek.
Tried to use the sliders. Here's the result

Composition is hard

>>7608257

>>7609092
Cute. I like how the tits are happy. I'd be happy too if I was a breast

How much stabilization do you use for lineart?

>>7609175
26
sometimes 0

>>7609175
100

>>7609175
1000

rendering a little

goblin progress. what to draw next?

>>7609202
Aiza looks like THAT?!?

>>7609216
Goblin slayer

>>7609216
>5 toes
ngmi goblin
sorry but you're gonna have to draw a proper one before you can move on to the next assignment

>>7609216
that same goblin girl, close up, looking at the viewer with a happy and slightly smug expression, holding up what looks like a pregnancy test and pointing towards the little results window
but if the viewer looks closer, it is a foot-fungus test kit. meaning the viewer did not impregnate her, but gave her athlete's foot. but her, being a filthy little gobling, sees this as a romantic bond akin to being impregnated. because its gross and she is a gobling. its funny! do you get it? do you get the joke?

>>7609233
hhahhahaha
this guy is high

>>7609216
>>7609233

>>7609173
oh lol then it's fine, the lighting setup is kinda hard as it's so unclear. here i just made the values a bit more agreeable to my eye but it's not especially good, like what is the guy being lit up by anyway? i'd at least make the right hand smaller and make pillar shadow not green if nothing else

>>7609239
No idea what he's lit up by. Was originally gonna put him at a little riverbed but can't render water lol. So it turned into this last minute.
I wasn't even supposed to color it, I never color at all I render excusively with hatching and screentones mostly. But decided to color anyway.
I did learn a few things so thanks for the help! Gonna have to retire the thing now tho already started on a new sketch kek

I wanted to take a break today since I've been drawing all week but I feel the urge

>>7608615
I think she is a yandere type. That cute drawing is just to hide Aiza's criminal background. She used to smuggle expensive paintings across the border to make a living. One day, she came across this anons' thread and since then, investors use these portraits of her/coded artwork as signals to buy or sell.

>>7608551
Aiza anons purity hangs in balance thanks to these thread challenges

Fuck it I'll go tradmaxx for a while

not fully sure where im going with this yet

>>7609264
i love this wtf

>>7609264
okay. this goes hard

>>7609264
that's awesome

Face construction is too hard maybe I should just kill myselfi instead

>>7609233
not exactly but kinda ....fun

>>7609271
>killing yourself
literally not gonna make it
like
>literally
:(

post work! im not good at faces myself, but i would try to help <3

How do I actually force myself to draw? I've been wanting to draw for nearly 2 years now and have barely made any progress towards that goal. I've only done one Loomis face like 2 years ago and haven't done any exercises or line work since then. I've been trying to get myself to draw, but all of it looks too complicated and exhausting for me. I've tried multiple different strategies, but they never seem to work. I've tried forcing myself to draw, but can only make myself draw circles for barely 30 seconds before stopping and looking at my phone again.

I've got a couple of drawing books and a drawing tablet for my PC and barely touched them.

My shaky hands fuck up every drawing I make, and I can barely do lines without fucking them up. I can't use my shoulder, I only feel good using the motions of my fingers.

>>7609264
Jealous of the vibe from this. Time to get some tendies then off to bed

Figure drawing from class; faces are starting to make some more sense.

>>7609278
sounds like you dont want to draw desu

>>7609283
Yeah, I've heard that same thing said for every hobby I've ever tried.

>>7609278
If you actually wanted to learn, you wouldn't have to force yourself. If it's been that long, you should find something else that actually interests you.

>>7609287
>>7609283
I literally just did this not too long ago.
People have told me this exact same thing for every single hobby I've ever tried doing. Even for non creative hobbies or just anything in general. I've never been able to commit myself to any serious hobby ever.
I want to make stories in a visual medium. All of the stories that I want to make would require a visual medium more than a literary one. It's impossible for me to actually write about any of the ideas I want to write about since they'd all fit something visual. I also want to draw things that I happen to be hyper fixating on. Robots, aliens, mecha, just anything.
I've been trying to learn construction in order to do this. Nothing else matters to me right now.
>B-but commission
No
>B-but ai
No
>B-but make visual novels
No
>b-but make novelization of visual works
No

I hate everything.

anyone else here dont use proper references, but look at art books/guides as you draw your art?

>>7609290
Oh it's you. Maybe try drawing something you actually like and not some mountains

>>7609290
In that case, my advice would be every time you have one of your ideas, force yourself to quickly sketch it even if it looks like complete shit. Just drawing at all is enough.

>>7609295
I look at frozem frames sometimes.

>>7609283
>>7609287
>>7609296
>>7609297
STOP FEEDING THE HOWIE!!!!!!

>>7609290
>>7609286
>>7609278
Do not respond to this person, this is a malignant howie schizo who will derail the thread. Trying to help them will only lead to frustration, anger and wasted time.

I can draw cubes with relatively consistent accuracy now but I can still barely draw a circle. They always end up leaning to one side..

>>7609296
I'm having trouble doing the ball and plane method. Everything looks too fucking complicated for me. The Loomis guide looked too hard. So did Keys to Drawing and basically every other guide I've tried before.

So guys, how often do you change your tablet pen nibs? I bought my tablet when it released in 2015 and I haven't changed my nib in 8 years.

>>7609290
I struggle with this a lot too
and like feeling the pressure to draw can make me so anxious it feels like a chore even though I want to be able to draw
what I started out doing was like copying art I liked, and then doing a mix of references from real life and manga or other stuff, and some stuff from imagination
trying to tie what I'm drawing to whatever I'm interested in at any given point, so like mecha or a certain style of boys love or monster hunter
it's tough sometimes but it does get a bit easier

>>7609297
>>7609296
>>7609320
I'm having trouble doing the ball and plane method. Everything looks too fucking complicated for me. The Loomis guide looked too hard. So did Keys to Drawing and basically every other guide I've tried before.

>>7609316
I change it whenever it feels scratchy but I think that might be psychological. My nibs used to get worn down on my old bamboo but if it happens now its minimal enough that I can't see it. I imagine it depends on how heavy handed you are and if you use something like a screen protector.

>>7609316
If it isn't affecting your consistency when drawing, you don't need to change it.

>>7609316
I don't think I ever changed my old tablet pen's nib in the decade-ish I had it. But I did recently switch my new tablet's nib after only a few months. Entirely my fault- I dropped it and warped the nib.

>>7609152
I polished it a little, how fappable is it now?

also, taking this opportunity to share a learning roadblock I have, for the nth time. so, right now I'm limiting myself to a single brush when drawing figgies. and the thing I struggle most with is figuring out which lines should represent the shapes I'm drawing.

like, there are contour lines, which I understand. you've got a shape, and you draw the outline of it. but when it comes to grooves and bulges, creases and stretches, that sorta stuff, I get lost.

take the figure I've drawn as an example. are the lines I've put on top of the larger shapes, like her torso, correct? I don't know. was it the right choice to put those three lines to represent the outline of her ribcage? should I have omitted the line tracing her hip bone? the squiggle I've drawn as her navel, should I have chosen a different symbol? this is the autism I'm dealing with.

not that I'm expecting an answer, or a definitive guideline, it's probably gonna be 'experiment' or 'copy what others do' but these options won't make me 'understand' the logic behind lines I'm putting down.

>>7609316
>>7609327
wacom is famous for having soft pen nibs that wear down very quickly (they want you to buy replacements)
every other off-brand chinese tablet has nibs that last years
i have had huion and xp-pen tablets, with both i only changed the nib once during their entire life span... and not because it was worn down. i was simply bored fidgeting with the pen and swapped a single nib just to have something to do
with my old wacom bamboo on the other hand i changed the nibs once or twice per year because they got worn down at the angle i usually hold my pen at, causing the tip to "roll" into that stable position every time i pressed on the tablet, giving annoying "tactile feedback" every now and then

wacom is the apple of drawing tablets. if you value your money, stay away from them

>>7609335
How the fuck are this good? What the hell

>>7609335
This is great, but I think you've drawn her feet flipped.

For our anime style artists here, do you always use loomis for your heads or do you use any "simpler" methods?

>>7609335
here's something that tackles my issue. this is the shape of a nose, here are the lines you can describe it with, and this is why.

I think I've seen this topic touched upon briefly in 'fun with a pencil', but I've yet to find comprehensible learning material

>>7609341
lmao yes, but oh well I'm not gonna post the same drawing for the third time

>>7609337
I appreciate the feedback but I still use a wacom now and haven't noticed any significant wear on the nib. The only difference is my new one has a screen so the surface has a very different texture.

>>7609350
Oh nooo moldy Goblin girl is pregnant...

>>7609350
What brush do you use

>>7609343
Everything here is anime *sad*

I think I have managed to avoid the trio of Loomis, Peck, and Hamm. There are plenty of new books from this decade alone.

>>7609343
Idk.

>>7609357
>>7609350
>>7609274
pregnant Goblin is not from me, Moldy is. Basic 5 size and Sable Red 10 from comics.bundle

>>7609268
Drawing on black backgrounds is considerably easier, I don't know if it's because people imagine the details themselves or because historically only the best painters did this shit so they associate it with quality but it works.

>>7608971
Thanks for the book recommendation im doing the exercises right now! I already see what you mean with not understanding how it was made

i just jerked off to this

>>7609341
>>7609348
I lied, I'm gonna post it again, but this time she's sprouted a veiny penis

>>7609373
She was scared of the surrounding perspective pbly

>>7609373
Least gay anon

>>7609293
>>7609345
source?

>>7609389
this
>>7609345
is 'The best of everything! Master the MANGA Drawing Techniques' by KawaiiSensei

I don't recommend it btw

>be stressed and anxious
>lose appetite
>barely eat
>have to put "eat a meal" on daily to-do list
>still fail to eat for 3 out of last 4 days
>dont have the energy to cook today aswell
>tired, just want to go to bed
somebody tell me its going to be all okay (and mean it, if possible)
otherwise i might...
i might *coughs*
i might
>not gonna make it
ha...
get it? do you get the joke?
*dies*

>>7609394
The best I can do is tell you it'll be ok but not actually mean it.

>>7609394
Mogs me.

>>7609389
Moe Character no Kakikata

>>7609392
>>7609408
Thanks

>>7609400
>>7609407
thanks <3

>>7609327
I never had a screen protector and it feels like it still works as well as day one.
>>7609328
Here's the thing, I don't think I do, but maybe after all these years I've just gotten used to it not working? I got a wacom too, as the anon above pointed out those should be worn out at some point anyway.

>>7609335
>take the figure I've drawn as an example. are the lines I've put on top of the larger shapes, like her torso, correct?

That comes with anatomy knowledge and stylization. Anatomy helps you understand where things overlap and what sits on top of what. Stylization helps you decide what to omit or emphasize. In your example, you did a good job on the hip tilt and the ribcage, but the right breast reads flat because of that harsh U shape. In the reference, you can see how the boob and the pectoral merge into a single shadow shape. this anon can give you better insights he is really good at this. >>7608539


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG6nOQdQDnI

>>7609366
It’s a great book. Use the color spotter, and if you’re doing the assignments digitally, don’t use the color picker. Use the RGB sliders it gives you a more intuitive sense for getting the color right (whether it looks a bit more blueish, reddish, or greenish). For lightness, use the value/lightness slider.

>>7608317
agree with the other anon, this is really really good. because of the filename thought it wasn't original work.

gay

>>7608855
Disgusting language

ignore the hands, crit please? Symmetry tool was necessary for the commission

>>7609424
I've never used one either but I've heard they wear down nibs.

>>7609434
The thumbnail looks really good. The only thing popping up close would be the arm's muscles being too pronounced. Taken the thumbnail as guide, the figure looks correct and harmoniums

>>7608776
How did you know he was a germanoid

>>7609442
thanks, I'm gonna clean it up more and I'll fix the arms then.

>>7609426
Oh it just means screencaption in german.

I'm having trouble doing the ball and plane method. Everything looks too fucking complicated for me. The Loomis guide looked too hard. So did Keys to Drawing and basically every other guide I've tried before.
https://youtu.be/2DVbargQCaY?si=OZaGba7br7EHibqb

Even this fucking thing looks to difficult for me. What do I do?

>>7609451
deerfag core lines

>>7609434
Crotch is way too high on the front view and the hips are lacking a bit of definition. I'm not sure what the marks on her upper thighs are supposed to be either.

>>7609456
tysm! especially the right one really helps, was struggling. the marks on her thighs are marking placeholders for when I finish painting. I knew it looked wrong but was schizoing out about how to fix it

Am I doing this correctly? I have no idea what I'm doing.

ignoring him has started to work - now he is posting images to increase the chances of luring somebody in

remember
do not engage the schizo
just report+hide his posts

>>7609462
I'm genuinely trying

>>7609459
Happy to help. If you're hitting a wall on a time crunch even just taking a 15 minute break where you don't look at your drawing can help you pin down mistakes quicker. Panic drawing usually just results in work you'll have to erase once you've calmed down anyway.

>>7608257
My process is highly inefficient. I take way too long for a stylized copy of reference. Pretty exactly 2 hours this one.

>>7609456
Thanks for doing so many redlines here recently! I don't have much that I'd need help on now, but one day I hope I can get a small crit too.

hm color is a little bright but better than just the lines I think

>>7609462
nta. I'm posting my work but getting ignored as well xd

>>7609468
thanks, it's my first big commission so I am definitely overwhelmed trying to get shit done, I have another smaller one after this which will hopefully be easier, your guidelines are helping a lot

>>7609447
Wanna draw a manga together during Urlaub? Where are you at?

>>7609479
Mainhatten. what do you draw?

any tips for actually drawing facial features from angles? I can visualise the perspective just fine but can never seem to get the placements/shapes right in practice.

>>7609394
good joke.
I'm the opposite. i overeat when stressed. Used to be the skeleton-man, but life has been rough as evident when I check the mirror. Shame that i enjoy cooking so much, too.
Depressions got me started with art. Thought to myself before it's over i might as well get serious about the (conditioned, meaningless) dreams and DRAW. And git good.
You of course will make it, I can tell from your outstanding work.

not fond of fat male genocide

>>7609485
No one else uses basic geometry?

>>7609474
I haven't posted in a couple of threads so I think you might be getting me mixed up with someone else, wouldn't want to take credit for their good work lol.

>>7609316
about every 2-2.5 months. I don't time it, but I feel when its worn down.
Would probably do it more often if I wasn't so stingy.

>>7609306
thanks

bweeeeeeeh
i don't wanna make commissions but it need moni
i wanna draw what i wanna draw

>>7609476
at the risk of hurting your feelings... but are your pics vibing schizo? or perhaps giving the impression that you spend less time drawing them than the time it would take for somebody to solve the captcha when replying to you? are you perhaps sharting a pic into the thread with the entire post being "i suck!"? or maybe your subject matter is too far removed from everybody's interests (lewd or cute figures)?

try replying to a couple of other anons with your post, even if it is just a short praise or crit, people like receiving (You)s and will engage with you in return!

>>7609486
>You of course will make it, I can tell from your outstanding work.
that is very kind of you =( thanks
but you are mistaken, i will prove you wrong :^)

for me, i started drawing shortly before i realized that i had mental issues, and depression slowly whittled away the passion for it
i used to be overweight but low self esteem made me radically starve myself down to an acceptable weight during my teens
and cooking, just like most activities, takes too much time in my opinion. i do cook somewhat healthy meals, but i wish those ready-made onions meal replacement powders were cheaper. i would replace most of my meals with that slop
funny how different people are and deal with the same problems in different ways
thank you for replying to me <3

>>7609496
i know how you feel. im sorry it is tough for you <3
is there a possibility for you to "soften" the burden of doing commissions? maybe offer a discount with the catch being: the customer offers his waifu and a theme/fetish but *you* decide on the pose?
maybe you can involve your customers more and "breed" a customer base that commissions you for stuff that is closer to what you are passionate about...
hang in there anon

>>7609174
do you use some workbook of sorts?

>>7609499
>but i wish those ready-made onions meal replacement powders were cheaper.
>onions
it fucking word filtered perhaps the first post in 4chan history that unironically used the word
>s
>o
>y

lmao

>>7609462
howard has same lighting and paper color as aiza anon. Not like this...

>>7609508
to be honest, I prefer when they choose the pose they don’t really mind if you just trace the reference. what’s really annoying are the 2 character comms, and I’ve been getting a lot of those lately.

>>7608533
master, I kneel.

Any book recommendations?

>>7609505
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZknWKTpc90
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcCJ2CU-bFw

>>7609518
what is it about 2 character commissions that you dislike? is it that they are more difficult (you are stressed to meet expectations) or time consuming (you feel like your pay per effort is bad) or something else?

>>7608439
Finished this for da most part because rendering/coloring takes too long. thanks for the critique. Now gotta spend 5 days getting the motivation to draw again lmao

>>7609523
both, more difficult and more time consuming, i could probably charge more btw yeah

>>7609482
>Mainhatten
kek
close enough to it (1 hour).
But on second thought I realize that I haven't practiced anime/manga and wouldn't be on your level. So there's no incentive to collaborate with me.

But I like your work and will 9improve alongside you. Maybe one day we could do a quick one-shot.

>>7609533
Sure! I reactivated my deviantart account. I know I know its outdated. Name there is Wolfenfirst maybe I fill it with drawings from time to time.but not just anime. And even with that name there is no furry content

How do I get commissions if I draw sfw?

>>7609499
I only post sfw and spend between 1 and 3 hours on a single pic. I added a smiley to my prev comment, because it's some of us are just really unlucky with the critiques. I have given up receiving any feedback on Cara or in these threads.
I have never had an issue with perspective, or drawing boxes; since we all learned how to do that at some point in life.
I have read most of my downloaded figure drawing books, and will only have to reread them in the future. I can memorize most visual things without rote learning. What I need right now is to put all of this into practice, because I would get an F grade on my exercises.

>>7609540
Win the lottery, then draw sfw comissions for peanuts.

>>7609264
I can't make out what's happening whatsoever but i like it

I bought a lyre easel

is having a weird art style really that bad? people always ask me what I'm doing or if I have any role models and the answer is no I just want to draw like me but better. kms permabeg tier
I don't have role models, no goals, no one I'm particularly inspired by stylistically, I just. Want to draw like me but good. I like my style and hate my lack of technical skill lol

>>7609547
So keep your style and work on your technical skill. Sounds like you have it figured out

>>7609545
if you are drawing bigger don't forget to change your pencil grip and draw with you shoulder

>>7609540
prudecucks keep losing

>>7609549
yeah but so many people fucking hate my style it's wild but I have no desire to change it whatsoever, idek what to do. I guess it's just prioritizing myself and putting the work into fundamentals but I have zero motivation I just get demoralized about studying

>>7609553
I think your drawings have an appeal that will attract a genuine audience, however big or small that may be. Personally I don't view art as a career so it's just for fun for me, but if you're focused on monetizing your art then I guess that's a different story
>>7609550
I didn't change my grip (I use overhand grip for everything except with pens) but I did end up engaging my shoulder much more and I can definitely feel it.

>>7609560
yeeaah I don't want an audience it just hurts a little knowing people think my stuff is ugly sometimes lol

>>7608257
'Doodle'

Does anyone have some challens of skilled artists drawing real time?
>>7609574
Where are the hands anon

>>7609574
You should try being just a little bit more ambitious with your art style

after thinking, I've realized my true goal is overly ambitious, and it's not that I'm inspired by no one, it's that I'm inspired by everyone and want to be able to draw in every style, no matter how formally different from my own, which is an impossible goal

>>7608257
Spent more time on the face today, turned out a bit better than usual. Would also look better if I could do softer edges but I hate all the blending brushes I've tried.

Scribbles to end the day

Should I learn face structures from a head-on angle and be able to draw them from memory before trying to learn how to draw them from angles or is it better to learn it all at once?

>>7608257
I know the faces look like gremlins but is this rendering good? I stumbled on a new method and I think my painting suddenly looks FAR better than anything I've done before. I'm really excited for tomorrow bros

>>7609577
I had to leave to get dinner and in the time i made the hands i feared it'd get too dark outside

>>7609578
I'm not sure what you mean by style? I'm more concerned about trying to convey the general body shape and to make the head look readable. I don't think i have experimented at all with getting any style past generic anime girls

>>7609589
No you will be too susceptible to symbol drawing with head on. If you want structure/forms use 3/4.

>>7609600
I just meant you should try having some more detail. Don't worry about it.

Can I get critique? Looking to improve.

>>7609609
The skin has the same hue as the clothing, thats a no no, I would make the skin more reddish and warmer. but I like the concept, I think you should be able to see the underside of the hat behind her.

And the biggest advice is to avoid black characters black-americans are a very loud and problematic audience truly disgusting.

>>7609617
thats a very good tip about the skin, thanks, ill definately keep that in mind
also it was tricky to color something literally black, but thats how the character is really, she is literally charcoal colored.

are super-beginners allowed to post ITT? it's my first day of drawing as an adult after having not picked up a pencil in many years so I may unironically be too /beg/ for /beg/
this is all I have to post for now, my attempt at the first two exercises in Drawing for the Absolute and Utter Beginner
I'll try a basic still life study tonight and post it if I manage to draw something

>>7609623
first two iterations of the cognitive drawing method using a random reaction image as a reference
I'm going to keep practicing with imitating flat 2D sketches until I can accurately map out where each line/object/feature is in relation to all the others, that seems to be my biggest issue and I imagine it's fixed through rote practice rather than understanding any techniques or shortcuts
when it comes to practicing basic mechanical skills like drawing straight lines, encompassing axes with circles and ellipses etc, is it most effective to just mindlessly fill a page with them with the aim of getting my muscles familiar with the motion of accurately drawing geometric shapes? or are there specific exercises/assessment criteria I should be doing when I practice these?

>>7609623
no. you are not welcome here, the same goes for your art. please remain at your current location, a SWAT team is being dispatched to execute you and call your drawings bad.

>>7609623
>>7609624
for a beginner that is a *very* good start!

>the cognitive drawing method
never heard of it. elaborate please!

>I'm going to keep practicing with imitating flat 2D sketches until I can accurately map out where each line/object/feature is in relation to all the others, that seems to be my biggest issue and I imagine it's fixed through rote practice rather than understanding any techniques or shortcuts
it is indeed mostly experience and practice, but do not discount a couple of "shortcuts" that can come in handy when stuck. i never measure with my pen and outstretched arm... until i am stuck and just need to get that one measurement right to get going again...

you say it is your biggest weakness... as opposed to what? assuming these are literally your first three pages of drawing, you have not even drawn enough to know what your weaknesses are :^)

it looks like you can already copy flat 2d features pretty well. sure it is not a perfect carbon copy, but you will grow to understand that being able to copy something perfectly is not that valuable of a skill in drawing compared to other fundamentals

>when it comes to practicing basic mechanical skills like drawing straight lines, encompassing axes with circles and ellipses etc, is it most effective to just mindlessly fill a page with them with the aim of getting my muscles familiar with the motion of accurately drawing geometric shapes? or are there specific exercises/assessment criteria I should be doing when I practice these?
no, filling pages with that stuff is as good of a practice as you are going to get. however, the usefulness of this skill itself is questionable (if you want to draw figures as i assume)
i did exactly that when i started, and after a couple of days of 1 page of straight lines + 1 page of ovals, my hand-eye coordination was as good as it was going to get and i stopped. i think it will be not much more useful / impactful for you

[cont]

>>7609593
>dumping all ur skillpoints into rendering already
time to respec

>>7609623
This is the beg and int general. Youre looking for the permabeg and prebeg general, few threads down.

>>7609622
if you want to go super dark I would study south sudan or any country in the middle of africa, you will notice that photos with too much light the skin looks bluish on shade it will look warmer like a deep dark red; it will also look ashy.

>>7609623
>>7609624
good job anon, don't change anything just keep going as you are keep posting your work

>>7609634
yea this is the one, head on over pal

>>7609623
>>7609624
>>7609631

above all else i would recommend to you
practice what you want to be doing

if you want to draw cute anime girls, start drawing cute anime girls right now and keep it up in parallel to your practice.
sure, isolated and focused practice on individual topics or techniques is very efficient in terms of improvement / time (especially during beginner stages) - but - you would be doing yourself a terrible disservice by falling into a mindset that fucked many beginners over

>once i am skilled enough, THEN i will draw what i want

do your exercises and practice, but draw what it is that you actually want to draw too!

quick shape practice before bed, I'll go over this stuff more slowly tomorrow
>>7609523
thanks

>>7609521
Those drawings are by Joel Jurion, that anon might be him but I doubt it.

>>7609593
The high effort rendering combined with this busted drawing feels like a fever dream and not in a good way.

>>7609635
I'm pretty sure he's going for drow black not african black.

Sketched today

>>7609623
You can post here but brace yourself for our resident schizo to lose his shit if you improve too quick.

>>7609631
>never heard of it. elaborate please!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8e2DcN5kAo this was featured in the google docs sticky, seemed like a good way to introduce some degree of imaginative drawing, drawings on the left are with no reference, drawings on the right are with reference
>you say it is your biggest weakness... as opposed to what?
I meant that was the biggest issue I was having with these exercises, here's how they're described the page after
>It’s difficult to identify an upside–down drawing in words, especially a distorted cartoon. This method leads you to give priority to visual elements—shapes and lines—in order to try to make sense of what you see. The result was that you were able to replicate what you saw with relative ease.
only, I didn't do so with relative ease, I found it really challenging to get things in proportion lol, even when I made that my explicit goal - for example, the moustache looks fairly similar to the original in terms of shape, but I only noticed how much larger it was once I got to the ear
I'm going to try drawing a socket wrench, but I'm thinking my issue of poor perspective from the basic symbol exercise will crop up here and I won't be able to join the shapes of the object together
>being able to copy something perfectly is not that valuable of a skill in drawing compared to other fundamentals
really? I had the impression that was the number 1 most important thing, when I move onto imaginative drawing I think I want to sketch mundane scenes from my imagination with lots of detail, like intricate cuirasses or brickwork buildings with lots of short linework, so copying minute details was high in my list of priorities
>i did exactly that when i started, and after a couple of days of 1 page of straight lines + 1 page of ovals, my hand-eye coordination was as good as it was going to get and i stopped. i think it will be not much more useful / impactful for you
this is helpful for me to keep in mind, thanks

>>7609639
>but draw what it is that you actually want to draw too!
I think that the things I want to draw are far, far, far beyond my reach atm, I'm happy to practice mundane fundamentals in other hobbies I try before delving into whatever my goal was before I started, it's not like I have much better things to be doing kek
but thank you for the warning, I'll try to enjoy myself and not treat it as a chore

>>7609664
CUTE

>>7609664
Great head but you elongated torso a bit with her dress.

work in progress, changed the face

>>7609664
Now draw her nude.

>>7609624
>>7609623
Mogs me.

>>7609684
Shut yo goofy ass up

monke

project 1d with new sketching brushes, better than i expected

>>7609456
started doing the edits, now that I've changed the proportions ill soften the hips and angles to fix them tomorrow like you did. thank you

1 hr study, I dove in and started colouring in values like an easily-excitable retard without boxing shapes or anything so none of the contours or surfaces are defined well
I've also learned that studies on small objects should probably be drawn way larger than life so that I'm not constantly battling with the tip of the pencil or the blunt edge of an eraser to add tiny highlights/shadow
much to learn much to consider

>>7609426
>Anatomy helps you understand where things overlap and what sits on top of what. Stylization helps you decide what to omit or emphasize
yeah, that I understand, but you didn't take into consideration that I'm a retarded howie, and it's not exactly what I'm struggling with. the body consists of overlapping shapes you can stretch and pull to sylize. which 'kinds' of lines do you use, where do you omit them?

here, this anon drew a nice torso
>>7609475
I understand the solid contour, but those little scratchy lines inside that suggest soft edges, bumps and grooves, I wouldn't be able to replicate them. is that what hatching is? perhaps I should look into that?

I want to make the arms right so much.

Another doodle. I had no idea how to convey the cross legs with that kind of skirt

>>7609511
I used https://www.muddycolors.com/2021/04/15-types-of-composition/ , which itself uses the classifications from "Composition of Outdoor Painting" by Edgar Payne. Haven't read the book yet though

>>7609786
4 years for this?

>want to draw
>no ideas
am i an imaginationlet

>>7609811
i used to be like you. That type of stuff can be trained and you know it

>>7609696
kinda comfy pic. try filling in the white spots around the monkey
>>7609704
those seem like they act like charcoal brushes
>>7609722
what a high class crack pipe, mind if i take a hit?

Dango or lollipop, which looks better?

>>7609814
fax
>>7609811
here are some tips:
>think about things you like to watch
>draw something from a show you like
>character interactions
>redraw a scene you like
>what if scenarios
>draw something inspired by something you like

>draw what makes your dick hard

for anything you draw. you should make it so the viewer can imagine what led up to said event or you can imply something that is going to happen in the the picture

>>7609816
lollipop

>>7609734
i like the one on the right's hair
kinda reminds me of solty rei
>>7609434
>>7609681
i like ya rendering G *slap*
what kinda brush u using? is it for csp or krita?
>>7609816
my vote for dango! that lollipop looks childish

yo anybody got tips for how to draw coochies? i know i can just draw a bump and a line under her pelvis but i want mroe detail
also any books guides to assist drawing poses from imagination?

>>7609819
>>7609820
That makes it 1 to 1
Who will cast the deciding vote

>>7609823
lollipop looks better in general

>>7609835
WRONG
DANGO IS CUTER FOR THE SEXY GUY

>>7609816
dango is an easy way to have a semi phallic object in his mouth if you want to go for eropoints

>>7609835
>>7609836
Lmao this does not help in making a final decision

>>7609837
An interesting point... However the tongue in the lollipop one also gives eropoints. Perhaps a popsicle.. I will need to try that

Popsicle version.. I feel like he'd be holding it weird if it was a popsicle and I cba to redraw the hand

>>7609839
in terms of tongue for ero points that shit needs to be more focused on the tongue, and you need to exaggerate the drool too

>>7609843
is that illumi in the back? what are these guys looking at off to the right?
is hisoka rocking a 2010s bape jacket?

>>7609846
Yes it is lol
Not sure where they're looking yet, might change it to looking at the camera.
Yeah he's wearing one of those shark hoodies under an army parka. Just what the guy in my ref was wearing so I kept it

>>7609443
>Bildschirmfoto

>>7609849
i bet he has Js too and imma step on them

>>7609851
He'll kill you if you do tho

>>7609855
no he wont, i got the ultimate assassin defending me

>>7609856
Whos that

>>7609609
wish I was good at drawing, I've wanted to draw this vanta black queen ever since nightreign came out

>>7609482
>Mainhattan
Is it really as bad as everyone says?

>>7608257
Terrible reference. Way too pixelated. Looks like it was taken on a digital camera from 1998

>2hr55min for this
gonna take forever.still not as long as my yaoi pages tho.
time for a break, see you fags tomorrow

>>7609875
mostly.....yes. Anyone got some Idea what to draw? wont draw men

Flower I painted for my mom. Yes the frame is too small.

>>7609394
Why should you complain? You did it, you draw normally, people respond to your drawings, you're just looking for pity for yourself as a cover for hypocritical bragging

>>7609593
What's the method?! Do you have recordings?

this goon seems fun to draw if anyone wants a bonus challenge

>>7609941
Pass

>>7609941
*takes clothes for women, wearing cilices, shows off his big belly, reusing hand-made bunny stickies for the bag*
Fool me once, have never got reply to the artworks for this extrs challenges.

how to get more pastel like colors....somehow it always went bright....

>>7609952
play around with tone curve and color balance

>>7609953
are there color packs or something? or can I grap colorprofiles from other pictures and convert them into a palette?

>>7609952
Pastel look comes from high brightness low saturation.
Just load an image you like into your program, color pick and see what you get

>>7609957
like colorpick with pimpette ? not much experience with Krita/digital art in genereal... but learning

>>7609960
Yep. Just don't use these colors directly, that's boring

i always feel like my colors look better when I add filters

>>7609671
>>7609672
>>7609722

i should have phrased it better... yes, measuring and placing things correctly *is* important, but only for the large features. composition, proportion etc.

it is copying of details that is mostly useless. with experience you will be *able* to copy even smallest details easily and realize how much less important that is
you are already very good at accurately copying - the fact that it takes you a lot of effort still does not negate that fact.

take a look at this video. ignore the content (color, light, painting) since that is not your concern at the moment, but look at how he moves his brush. he does not care how the bristles fold and move for each brush stroke, he does not even attempt to copy details precisely, but the overall placement of shapes is important. and that extends to other parts of art too: for example he pays great attention to the relations between colors (warm vs cool, bright vs dark) but when he actually *mixes* his colors he does not care to match them perfectly (in fact he happily distorts and exaggerates!)
same thing, accuracy in details is less important, but accuracy in the underlying fundamental "stuff" is very important.

this wrench you sketched shows it too: your ability to accurately copy the small stuff is already quite good, it is - as you accurately noticed yourself - the underlying structure, perspective, orientation, that demands more attention. (not trying to give you critique, you seem to be on a very good path of learning on your own already, your sketch just happens to show these points)

>I think that the things I want to draw are far, far, far beyond my reach atm, I'm happy to practice mundane fundamentals
if you are having fun doing exercises, in that case keep going <3

attempting some blind mannequin doodles

>>7609974
great drawings, unfortunate that you're partronizing that anon with fake affirmation

>>7609894
>some Idea what to draw?
"Slave Leia" please
You're the best in the whole board btw

210 years ago Napoleon got defeated in Waterloo . Let s celebrate !

me and lil sis painted first time today
this is way harder than i expected

>>7609963
is what it is noonie

>>7609985
cute, you should have sex with her now.

>>7609880
You owe me sex, foid.

>>7609982
I dont think so but thanks. Yeah why not the princess, even if im not much into Star Wars. I give her a try

>>7609988
it is what it is
also i realized from a proko tiktok the reason why I'm perspective retarded is because I used teacher favoritism and being friends with my teacher to not learn geometry so I don't have understanding of basic geometry because he would give me a b when I did nothing
Sigh
Now I have to learn math to do art
Just found out about x y and z axis
Thanks proko

>>7609984
Based right side of history bro

I wish my art goals weren't so unstable I want to draw fat deer men but I also desperately need to learn to draw spaceships and cool shit like that
Ia Scott Robertson the only path or is there anyone else

>>7610009
>Just found out about x y and z axis
are you a two dimensional being ripped from its universe and thrown without warning into this three dimensional world? what the fuck do you mean "just learned about x y z axis"? they are just names for a concept you should know intuitively since childhood
how the fuck do you extend your arm to grab something without understanding the space which you inhabit?

>Now I have to learn math to do art
if you call drawing straight lines that converge to their respective vanishing points "math" just because your tutorial uses terms found in elementary school math classes, you are cooked

besides, you do not need to "learn geometry" to do art. 99% of all artists do NOT construct boxes in perspective for drawing the human figure

sorry for being so autistically triggered but what the actual fuck

>>7610022
You are talking to a person with actual functional brain damage. When I was using blender to make models I couldn't understand x y and z so I had to rotate my models to figure out where the symmetry tool is working
It is a miracle I can draw at all as ok as I can unironically I am like 80iq

>>7609722
>>7609974
>i forgot to include the video
fuck me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nR6cM-DhmA

did this extremely quick study from one of the old blurry cgi warbird models
So far, I've noticed
Need stabilization rulers and line tool to do this shit, a single hard lines brush will not work because without straight lines it looks too fleshy and organic

>>7609996
anon..

How is it going?

>>7610000
No thanks

doing this shit from imagination is suifuel

Should I better leave out any shading and just call it finished with only the lineart? I feel like with such low amounts of shading the page overall just looks worse.

>>7609984
I decided to draw something inspired by that :>

>>7610055
Yes or use screentones instead

>>7610052
anon, do not draw every little detail, start big and work towards small
draw a giant box in perspective, start carving out shapes and adding shapes on top
of course it is frustrating if you try to draw it like a printer develops a picture pixel by pixel

New thread?

any advice to progress?

playing with the face and body on this

>>7610060
I need to practice doing this a few times to really understand I really wish I wasn't so stupid, thank you for the diagram
I hate being perspective retarded

>>7610067
It's still page 5 with less that 500 posts

>>7610057
love it

>>7610070
be more deliberate
if everything is hatched, nothing is
if every piece of clothing is hatched, it all looks like the same color
if everything is hatched with the same line thickness, it feels like everything is made of the same material (skin, leather, cloth)
make deliberate clothing folds, and make deliberate spots of smooth clothing
connect the figure to the ground with an indication of shadow
practice faces
dont hide hands
compress your image files before uploading >2.2mb
your anatomy is wonky... it might be solid for all i know, but your approach in clothing (everything is rounded and blobby) makes it look like the figure is a poorly sculpted clay statue rather than an actual human

>>7610021
Here's some videos Sinix did a while ago. Not about spaceships in particular, but he's known for that kind of design. Personally, I think, that "genre" is more related to graphic design, and how to successfully make any simple shape appealing, by aligning lines and colors in harmony. A perfect square could be a cool ship with the right strip of color and details, like some number or a few lights or a clever simple shadow. That helps too when you need to use foreshortening and perspective. "Creative" weird designs sometimes do not help when you have to foreshorten the thing in a weird angle, no matter how you do it. A clean and clear design can help you with future perspective issues as well.

>Design Theory: Composition:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aovyWGBj-nc
>Design Theory: Economy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMt7fab1uJc
>Design Theory: Shape Appeal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6yJO9gKSAI
>Design Theory: Conceptual Contrast:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDK-PGgvWC0
>Design Lab [flying vehicle] - 1/2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELg4jyNmrLc
>Design Lab [flying vehicle] - 2/2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvzY3jIfYmk

>>7610078
Thank you very much for your feedback.

for my next drawing I will:

hatch less and more accuretely
draw a shadow line
a better face
showing hands
compress the picture

Do you think I should use different ink pen ? How many would you recommend ?

>>7610077
Thanks^^

>>7610073
That's really nice

>>7609941
I'm digging the outfit but not the pose. Are there more photos of this set?

>>7610093
thank you!
>>7610091
great! ..i recognize those lines, is that you? I didn't know you drew ships or anything like that, haha
thank you so much for the resources! I will be sure to try to go through them, this is extremely helpful!
I usually am inspired by Star Trek and Babylon 5 and farscape ship design
immensely helpful stuff! good for figuring out where to start when you're functionally retarded lol

>>7610092
i dont know about ink pens... i almost never draw traditionally
and when i do traditional drawing, i only ever use one pen for the entire sketch. of course since you are making whole, finished, pieces it might make sense to use multiple tools... idk though =D

and i dont think your hatching is "not accurate" - it is certainly better than what i could do - it is just that you use it everywhere which makes the whole pic look dull and uninteresting (although since your hatching follows the form, and does so everywhere, it has a certain three dimensional feel to it! you can be proud of that <3)

maybe drawing bigger might benefit you... even if you cannot fit a full figure on a page, if the lines of your hatching were smaller relative the size of the features you are hatching, it might improve the look

keep up the good work anon <3

where did all the schizos go?

>>7609982
just sketch dont know if I finish it.

>>7610109
i hope banned, i keep reporting every single post of his