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6/28/2025, 8:07:35 PM
>>508971082
I didn't say that what the Spanish Empire did was okay, I don't like empires in general. However, now that you mention it, the Spanish Empire brought almost no Africans to America, we had a pseudo slavery system with natives. And given that an empire is undertaken (which is already a morally questionable premise, but let's assume it) and some oppression to other peoples is needed to sustain the empire, I deem better to racemix with the natives so that they are more prone to integrate to european individual values rather than embarking hundreds of thousands of blacks, not racemixing with them and having them unadapted to european culture 300 years after. It's not like Hispanic America is the pinnacle of european culture but at least they somewhat understand european culture and can integrate, I'd rather have latinos in my country than north africans.
I didn't say that what the Spanish Empire did was okay, I don't like empires in general. However, now that you mention it, the Spanish Empire brought almost no Africans to America, we had a pseudo slavery system with natives. And given that an empire is undertaken (which is already a morally questionable premise, but let's assume it) and some oppression to other peoples is needed to sustain the empire, I deem better to racemix with the natives so that they are more prone to integrate to european individual values rather than embarking hundreds of thousands of blacks, not racemixing with them and having them unadapted to european culture 300 years after. It's not like Hispanic America is the pinnacle of european culture but at least they somewhat understand european culture and can integrate, I'd rather have latinos in my country than north africans.
6/27/2025, 12:24:34 AM
>>508823363
>>508822163
We were morally superior. We didn't genocide natives like you did, we didn't embarked slaves from Africa, we mixed with natives. Though there were similar things to slavery in Spanish America (mita, encomienda), they were not ouright slavery with a natural justification, and that helped to progressively stop forced labour, with abolition cases as early as in 1542 in Santo Domingo. The same can't be said about Britain or, especially, the United States.
>At the court of the emperor Charles V in Valladolid there were already discussions about the legality of the conquest, whether slavery should be abolished or not, the existence of races, etc., three centuries before Great Britain and North America.
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junta_de_Valladolid
>The ordinances arrived late, and the newly coined "pacification" often turned out to be little more than a euphemism for the old "conquest." Nevertheless, both the convening of the Valladolid debate and the legislation that followed stand as a testament to the Crown’s commitment to ensuring "justice" for its indigenous subject populations—an effort for which it is difficult to find parallels, in terms of its consistency and vigor, in the history of other colonial empires.
>>508822163
We were morally superior. We didn't genocide natives like you did, we didn't embarked slaves from Africa, we mixed with natives. Though there were similar things to slavery in Spanish America (mita, encomienda), they were not ouright slavery with a natural justification, and that helped to progressively stop forced labour, with abolition cases as early as in 1542 in Santo Domingo. The same can't be said about Britain or, especially, the United States.
>At the court of the emperor Charles V in Valladolid there were already discussions about the legality of the conquest, whether slavery should be abolished or not, the existence of races, etc., three centuries before Great Britain and North America.
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junta_de_Valladolid
>The ordinances arrived late, and the newly coined "pacification" often turned out to be little more than a euphemism for the old "conquest." Nevertheless, both the convening of the Valladolid debate and the legislation that followed stand as a testament to the Crown’s commitment to ensuring "justice" for its indigenous subject populations—an effort for which it is difficult to find parallels, in terms of its consistency and vigor, in the history of other colonial empires.
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