>>537833582
>Dabra = Perfect Cell
I don't buy Goku's claim. SS1 Gohan was weaker than Dabura, but the difference didn't seem that big. Cell meanwhile was stronger than Gohan even while not using his full power.

>which isn't really supported with his Majin Scaling (being that only when Bejita becomes Majin is he stronger than Cell Gohan Full Power).
Yeah, it's probably a "stronger than I expected" situation. But it's still odd... When Gohan goes SS2, Shin says Gohan is stronger than he expected but was still stoic about it. Meanwhile he's completely baffled at Vegeta casually killing... Pui Pui. In base form.

>Android 18 > Krillin > Yamcha > Freeza
I don't think Krillin or Yamcha surpassed Freeza. In fillers sure, but in the manga's Androids saga, only Piccolo seemed to surpass him, even before fusing with Kami. Afterwards Krillin and Yamcha stopped training, so even more unlikely they surpassed Freeza.

>This arc has very obscure and hard to grasp scaling but I think I got it.
Yeah there's a lot of vague comments. We have Goku and Vegeta agreeing that Super Buu briefly became stronger after having Fat Buu removed from him. So was the burly Kaioshin that strong? Is it an Ultra Trunks situation?

Goku also changed his mind a lot about whether or not he could have beaten Fat Buu ("I can't", "I don't think I could have", "I totally could've won") for no reason.

>BTW we are exclusively talking manga.
Anime has wild moments like Goku fighting a fake Ultimate Gohan in base (That is explicitly as strong as the original), and the claim that Kid Buu is stronger than every Buu before it, so it's better to use the manga first.

>>537834119
>They're weaker than Gohan was a younger age despite being bigger potential monsters.
Saiyan hybrids are like that... Only really Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo and Tien like to train.