>>7706747
>esp when obscured with so much shadows. maybe using too thick of lines & losing detail
>i should prob do eye studies
You're missing the forest for the trees here. Focus on the big light and shadow shapes. Maybe not best to try and draw what you can't see and don't know.

>i think the eyes went wrong.
>I think
You need to know whether they are wrong. Why do you think they went wrong? You need to be able to assess why you think they're wrong with an objective statement. Are they too big/small. too tall/wide? Are they placed correctly relative to the shape of the head/face? Then you check to see if your assessment is correct after the fact when you overlay it over the reference. I know this might seem like a silly question to ask, but how do you know if a circle is wrong or in the right spot?

>so specifically, im not even doing that. on the one i did it was just based on eyeballing proportions (which proko did in a demo, saying thats the ultimate goal)
Not sure if you watched the video or not, after he goes over sight size he goes into just using your eyes. Eyeballing is still measuring, your just using eyes with no tools. You'll still be making judgments and more importantly, you're still thinking and making observations. You're just doing it without the measuring implement/tool. I don't need a plumb line to tell when another point is on top of the other unless they're really close. But you're going to need to know eventually when you're wrong. I don't think you're at a level where you shouldn't be checking. I think you should make the observation with an objective statement (i. e. The width of the eye is the smaller than the width of the nose by 1/5 more or less.) using your eyes, make the mark on the page and then verify whether the observation is true. If false, change the mark on the page. This way you still retain the eyeballing portion of the exercise, but you can know whether it's true or not.