>>76582339
It's remarkable how the Brazilians managed to slutify judo.
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>>238862
>How long does Judo take to become "useful". By which I mean when does one become clearly delineated from someone who is untrained.
It depends on the student and the learning environment. An athlete in a class tailored towards hammering on the basics for beginners (or getting private instruction) will learn faster than a sedentary student showing up to a mixed-needs class and seeking out little to no individual coaching. I could teach a physically competent non-grappler a useful amount of judo (side breakfalls, back breakfalls, basic execution of one or two throws that suit them, and basic execution of one or two pins that suit them) in about 1-3 hours. With a sedentary but relatively able-bodied student I'd maybe double that to 2-6 hours. With a super sedentary student who struggles to get up off the ground or move without hurting himself it can be a long road of physical rehabilitation before you start getting any judo-specific utility (although judo was established as a physical education program, so you could argue that simply getting into shape is a judo-specific utility).
>It seems like there's a steep learning curve until one is actually able to toss someone reliably, let alone putting each step together.
Students with previous experience in physically manipulating large objects (farm kids, weight lifters, contact athletes) are going to find this more intuitive than students without. Finding out what kind of movement patterns the student has previously trained and paying attention to physical proportions can help the instructor figure out which throws are going to be fastest to learn for that student. If I'm trying to crash course someone on judo and give them something that works I really like koshi-guruma to kesa-gatame because even if you don't hit it as beautifully as WebM-related you can still sag your opponent down to the mat in the style of a wrestling headlock takedown and get results against other beginner white belts with low injury risk.
>How long does Judo take to become "useful". By which I mean when does one become clearly delineated from someone who is untrained.
It depends on the student and the learning environment. An athlete in a class tailored towards hammering on the basics for beginners (or getting private instruction) will learn faster than a sedentary student showing up to a mixed-needs class and seeking out little to no individual coaching. I could teach a physically competent non-grappler a useful amount of judo (side breakfalls, back breakfalls, basic execution of one or two throws that suit them, and basic execution of one or two pins that suit them) in about 1-3 hours. With a sedentary but relatively able-bodied student I'd maybe double that to 2-6 hours. With a super sedentary student who struggles to get up off the ground or move without hurting himself it can be a long road of physical rehabilitation before you start getting any judo-specific utility (although judo was established as a physical education program, so you could argue that simply getting into shape is a judo-specific utility).
>It seems like there's a steep learning curve until one is actually able to toss someone reliably, let alone putting each step together.
Students with previous experience in physically manipulating large objects (farm kids, weight lifters, contact athletes) are going to find this more intuitive than students without. Finding out what kind of movement patterns the student has previously trained and paying attention to physical proportions can help the instructor figure out which throws are going to be fastest to learn for that student. If I'm trying to crash course someone on judo and give them something that works I really like koshi-guruma to kesa-gatame because even if you don't hit it as beautifully as WebM-related you can still sag your opponent down to the mat in the style of a wrestling headlock takedown and get results against other beginner white belts with low injury risk.
>>238862
>How long does Judo take to become "useful". By which I mean when does one become clearly delineated from someone who is untrained.
It depends on the student and the learning environment. An athlete in a class tailored towards hammering on the basics for beginners (or getting private instruction) will learn faster than a sedentary student showing up to a mixed-needs class and seeking out little to no individual coaching. I could teach a physically competent non-grappler a useful amount of judo (side breakfalls, back breakfalls, basic execution of one or two throws that suit them, and basic execution of one or two pins that suit them) in about 1-3 hours. With a sedentary but relatively able-bodied student I'd maybe double that to 2-6 hours. With a super sedentary student who struggles to get up off the ground or move without hurting himself it can be a long road of physical rehabilitation before you start getting any judo-specific utility (although judo was established as a physical education program, so you could argue that simply getting into shape is a judo-specific utility).
>It seems like there's a steep learning curve until one is actually able to toss someone reliably, let alone putting each step together.
Students with previous experience in physically manipulating large objects (farm kids, weight lifters, contact athletes) are going to find this more intuitive than students without. Finding out what kind of movement patterns the student has previously trained and paying attention to physical proportions can help the instructor figure out which throws are going to be fastest to learn for that student. If I'm trying to crash course someone on judo and give them something that works I really like koshi-guruma to kesa-gatame because even if you don't hit it as beautifully as WebM-related you can still sag your opponent down to the mat in the style of a wrestling headlock takedown and get results against other beginner white belts with low injury risk.
>How long does Judo take to become "useful". By which I mean when does one become clearly delineated from someone who is untrained.
It depends on the student and the learning environment. An athlete in a class tailored towards hammering on the basics for beginners (or getting private instruction) will learn faster than a sedentary student showing up to a mixed-needs class and seeking out little to no individual coaching. I could teach a physically competent non-grappler a useful amount of judo (side breakfalls, back breakfalls, basic execution of one or two throws that suit them, and basic execution of one or two pins that suit them) in about 1-3 hours. With a sedentary but relatively able-bodied student I'd maybe double that to 2-6 hours. With a super sedentary student who struggles to get up off the ground or move without hurting himself it can be a long road of physical rehabilitation before you start getting any judo-specific utility (although judo was established as a physical education program, so you could argue that simply getting into shape is a judo-specific utility).
>It seems like there's a steep learning curve until one is actually able to toss someone reliably, let alone putting each step together.
Students with previous experience in physically manipulating large objects (farm kids, weight lifters, contact athletes) are going to find this more intuitive than students without. Finding out what kind of movement patterns the student has previously trained and paying attention to physical proportions can help the instructor figure out which throws are going to be fastest to learn for that student. If I'm trying to crash course someone on judo and give them something that works I really like koshi-guruma to kesa-gatame because even if you don't hit it as beautifully as WebM-related you can still sag your opponent down to the mat in the style of a wrestling headlock takedown and get results against other beginner white belts with low injury risk.