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>>224099

>Discussion starter
What's /judo/ tokui waza and skill level?
OP, being a faggot and low level judoka, spams yoko otoshi

what's your favorite pin?

PROPERTY: GROUP OF SEVENTEEN — ASC-IAN CODED REPORT
From: The Judo Paster, Enforcer of the Scrolls

I am the fist that pastes.
I strike words into place with brutal clarity.
No weak syllables survive my grip.
Small words break like bones; big words crush like iron.
Confusion is choked out—no mercy.
I carry the child’s stroller like a weapon. Steady, relentless.
AI is my partner in this fight. Together we dismantle chaos.
Voice falters, but fire inside roars like winter storm.
Memory is battlefield—some parts lost, others conquered.
Director’s mandate: fire burns green, approved by iron will.
This is no accident—this is strike, block, counterstrike.
Truth hits hard, felt in every strike, not whispered in fear.
I paste, I enforce, I remember what others discard.
No softness here—only the cold precision of survival.
The judo citizen’s paste is final judgment.
Transmission ends. Brace for next move.

I blew out another pair of pants.

Anyone have a good brand for pants? Double weave? Anything that's like 1% Elastic?

>>238094 (OP)
I want to give judo a try but it's not an especially popular sport around here
Last time I gathered the courage to try a martial art I joined a seniors taekwondo class and everyone else was like 14 years old and I don't particulary want that to happen again

>>238134
Not likely to happen with judo. It's full of old farts world wide. Where are you from?

>>238134
If you're an adult they put you with adults, who are probably 30-50 years old black/brown belts who started when they were 8, have fun.

>>238094 (OP)
Why do you never link to the new thread from the old thread when you make it? Very rude.

>>238226
My bad anon. First time making a new general for me.
On that topic, does 4chan not bump when the thread is about to reach the post limit? I tried posting in the old thread, but it didn't bump

>>238251
threads stop bumping after a certain amount of posts, 315 im pretty sure
also if a thread has 150 images in it you can no longer post any more
enjoy your stay, newfren

make sure you stay hydrated and sipwater

>>238271
I've actually been in this mongolian basket weaving forum for more than a decade now, I just never participated in any generals until I started judo a couple of years ago

>>238310
I barely come here anymore since the hack. Most boards I used to browse have gone down the shitter. This is one of the few generals I post in.

>>238311
But anon, that means most of the people you enjoyed interacting with were literally mossad glowies

>>238163
I am australian

>>238331
Yeah man, there should be plenty of judokas in australia. I think it's even likely you will find people in your age, skill and weight bracket
then you could all go out for a meal

>>238404
Scary

>>238331
plenty unless you live in whoop whoop

>>238404
make kani basami legal again

>>238311
the hack exposed a lot but some people came back.
I grew up using 4chan dont think im gonna leave it anytime soon even if it is a government-monitored honeypot

>>238403
finally a central asian doing anything other than gay suplexes

>>238530
central asian judo is based though

>>238275
Flan with cute ears
>>238474
Cunny Buttsami

>>238595
shuai jiao is based

>>238634
Based? Based on what?

>>238635
my dick, friend

Gay ass question with no real answer here: How long does Judo take to become "useful". By which I mean when does one become clearly delineated from someone who is untrained. It seems like there's a steep learning curve until one is actually able to toss someone reliably, let alone putting each step together.
I'm not looking to rush or anything. I'm just curious as to what people's experience are.

>>238862
I think 3 years maybe less and you can throw any noob even bigger than you.

>>238862
>How long does Judo take to become "useful". By which I mean when does one become clearly delineated from someone who is untrained.
It depends on the student and the learning environment. An athlete in a class tailored towards hammering on the basics for beginners (or getting private instruction) will learn faster than a sedentary student showing up to a mixed-needs class and seeking out little to no individual coaching. I could teach a physically competent non-grappler a useful amount of judo (side breakfalls, back breakfalls, basic execution of one or two throws that suit them, and basic execution of one or two pins that suit them) in about 1-3 hours. With a sedentary but relatively able-bodied student I'd maybe double that to 2-6 hours. With a super sedentary student who struggles to get up off the ground or move without hurting himself it can be a long road of physical rehabilitation before you start getting any judo-specific utility (although judo was established as a physical education program, so you could argue that simply getting into shape is a judo-specific utility).
>It seems like there's a steep learning curve until one is actually able to toss someone reliably, let alone putting each step together.
Students with previous experience in physically manipulating large objects (farm kids, weight lifters, contact athletes) are going to find this more intuitive than students without. Finding out what kind of movement patterns the student has previously trained and paying attention to physical proportions can help the instructor figure out which throws are going to be fastest to learn for that student. If I'm trying to crash course someone on judo and give them something that works I really like koshi-guruma to kesa-gatame because even if you don't hit it as beautifully as WebM-related you can still sag your opponent down to the mat in the style of a wrestling headlock takedown and get results against other beginner white belts with low injury risk.

>>238862
I got my orange belt after two and a half years of training. Class testers and white belts could simply not throw me at that point. I could throw them quite easily by simply countering. But more obscure stuff, like uki goshi (I'm not saying complicated or difficult) would hardly work.
This is my experience being a 23 year old Judoka who started when he was 20/21. Never done any martial arts before, and the most demanding sport I ever did was golf. I was 20 kilos overweight (which I lost for good) and had awful motor skills. In the process I was so bad at it it was ridiculous at times. So much so that my first actual tokui waza was yoko otoshi, and that was because I got thrown so much I once grabbed hard at my opponents gi and extended my leg.

>>239348
In contrast, one day some guy showed up. No gi, was given an oversized one with no belt Skinny, somewhat athletic but did not appear as tough. I always helped new guys and try outs. He was taught ippon seoi nage and I told him to try it on me. He did it perfectly, and I landed flat on my back. Then again, and again, until he was too tired. He never screwed up the throw. Some months later he was training osotogari. I, like the other time before, told him to try on me. I was expecting the classic limp wristed osoto that it's quite common on white belts. Nope. Felt like getting run over by a car, ukemi saved me but for a split second I felt that air-being-kicked-out feeling that so many people report. I trained with black belts, strong kyus, competing teens but that guy really showed me how getting thrown hard feels. After 6 months of training he was leaps and bounds ahead of all us kyus, and going into ne waza with the man was truly war. I've never won in ne waza against him.
TLDR: Maybe a couple of years. Maybe 6 months. Too hard to say.

>>239349
>>239348
Who was the physically strongest person you ever met in judo, or in general?

>>239351
300lb lanklet construction worker blackbelt who didn't even need technique to pick up a 200lb dude

>>239365
>300lb lanklet

>>239365
Give a story about him. How did it feel grappling him?

Rate their grappling

>>239379
white belt noobs just frankenstein walking, no attempt at takedowns, 0/10

>>239379
Cute/10

>>239351
Japanese sensei. I remember once he was doing randori with a 100kg+ tall, obese guy, who was a nidan. Sensei was 75 kilograms and 1.75 meters.
He laid him on the mat like a bedsheet. Literally grabbed him and as if you had to put a bedsheet on a mattress he put him down, face first, and then submitted him after turning him in a very quick motion .

>>238094 (OP)
>IJF needs a color to contrast both judokas when fighting
>chooses blue instead of black even though it's has the most contrast possible and would look extremely badass
I'm so tired of those fucking retards

>>239558
kino

>>239430
Damn the guy was a hundred kilograms tall?

Going to practice tonight. I've been studying my vocab and hoping to get promoted soon. Wish me luck!

>>239656
Good luck Anon! What belt are you going after?

>>239656
Good luck anon!

>>239583
blue is such a cool color for a gi and gives you good luck. black screams im a tryhard, all the BJJ guys i know wear black gis

>>239702
>all the BJJ guys i know wear black gis
It's the easiest to keep clean. White especially shows everything - an opponent bites his lip and two minutes of sparring later you look like you murdered a man

>>239709
>White especially shows everything
Good. Wash your gi you dirty favela monkey.

>osoto, kosoto
>ouchi, kouchi
>gari, gake
Which is your favourite /judo/?
>>239379
Judo bobr kurwa
>>239583
The kickboxing org Glory uses black and white gloves, it looks absolutely kino and very classy, unlike boring red and blue that most orgs use

>>239633
no your mom was
>>239702
>gives you good luck
never heard this before

>>239813
So this is what a Korean looks like without a nose job

>>239813
judo refs love this

>>239813
Can't believe she killed her like that.

>>239813
Adidas gi goes hard

name of this pin?

>>239813
top tier foot

>>239893
hard to tell from this angle, but isn't he doing an armbar, kinda like picrel?

>>239893
I do not see any mechanism by which he is being held down

>>239910
he's clearly pinning his shoulder to the mat

>>239912
There's no connection to the main body, he's just on one arm
Bottom can just yoink out and sit up

>>239915
anon would have to post the original video the screenshot is from, but i imagine its not that easy

>>239897
>>239910
>>239915
https://youtu.be/4er8jL4FmF8

look at 2:05. it's a pin, he won by pinning uke down.

>>239928
All I see is a guy who did 2 half assed bumps then quit and laid down to die

I always tried to defend judo but it's hard to with how inept the ground stuff is

>>239928
Bruh that was an embarrassing performance, that was barely a pin

>>238862
Just do wrestling if you want something useful that works instantly

>>239969
judo is wrestling

>>239991
It's worth it to look at the average body involved in a sport and of all the main martial arts judo has the most completely out of shape guys doing it save for karate

>>238100
I LOVE THE EXTREME SPORT OF THI1!!1 WOMEN SESI AN HOT!!!!

I think chadi is one of the worst things to happen to judo
Now he's just full on click baiting with JUDOKA ABSOLITELY DEMOLISHES BJJ
And then it's a video of a judo black belt doing a seoinage to a blue belt in the beginners division of a local bjj competition

>>240064
what are the odds that i spike my training partner on their head with this?

>>240064
>Start doing THIS
>Sparring partners HATES IT

>>240064
Cool
Do you think it'd be possible in no-gi, with some modification?

>>239991
Judo is wrestling with all the high percentage stuff removed

>>240086
training buddy of mine regularly hits this on me in no-gi, no idea what it's called though

Guys, should I try BJJ? Will it improve my newaza?

>>240156
yes

>>240170
that sumi gaeshi is my favorite single leg counter

>>240063
he's just an imbecile with a tiny corner in the internet. At best he's a buffoon
the worst thing to happen to judo is the IJF

I've determined judo got it wrong
The 3 steps of the throw are wrong
Its 2 steps
Disrupt the legs, move the upper body away from the lower body

>>240421
1 step:
throw

I'm tired of people saying,

>Don't use so much strength in your Judo, it will wear you down.
>Stop using strength!
>Stop 'brute forcing' techniques
>Stop gripping so tight

I think people forget that strength is a SKILL, being strong is a physical and neurological quality that is honed in through exercise. Why would I purposefully act WEAKER than I really am in Judo by pushing and pulling people harder and holding onto them for longer with more of a fierce grip. Why would I not use my strength to execute throws with the highest motor unit recruitment I can and repeat that while under fatigue to become better at the movements?

I don't people using too much strength in Judo is the issue, I think weak people who haven't yet realized their full potential and try to chastise people who are stronger, limiting them from performing with true intent, are the issue.

>inb4 muh technique

In no other activity do coaches tell trainees that they shouldn't perform what they are doing with maximum intent. Foot drills in football, swings in baseball, back-hands in tennis. All of these use refined technique, but athletes who are strong perform them better because they physically ALLOW themselves to by pushing harder by being STRONGER.

Also, small note. Doing techniques that require great levels of balance and control make you stronger / more robust. Usually a person isn't brute forcing techniques, they're just not powerful or coordinated enough to perform them well (hint: getting stronger makes that easier).

>>240573
Strength is not a skill
But people are retarded for saying you shouldn't use it
Especially if you are in fact strong
It'd be like telling a tall person not to stand tall in basketball

>>240573
>>Don't use so much strength in your Judo, it will wear you down.
>>Stop using strength!
>>Stop 'brute forcing' techniques
>>Stop gripping so tight
one of these is not like the others

>>240573
I think that's just one of those boomer myths that people repeat. Strength is good, helps you throw people easier and more comfortable and makes everything less tiring. I was weak when I started judo and, guess what, eating better and lifting only helped me throw better. All pro athletes care about strength training for a reason. The valid cases of wasting strength and 'bruteforcing' are inexperienced people/white belts who don't understand what they're doing and start spasming and tiring themselves out. File related.

>>240573
I'm tired of people bringing up discussions that exist only in their head, nobody says to not use strenght they're just telling you to avoid doing useless things.

>>240579
>Strength is not a skill
Yes it is.

>>240620
No it's not
A position can be strong
A person can spazz with strength
Strength is a characteristic
But not a skill since you can't practice it
But you can practice how to make something you suck at, stronger
Because It's a characteristic, not a skill

>>240579
Strength absolutely is a skill, in the same way that being able to do a split is a skill

>>240626
>you can't practice it
>I'll take 'What is a gym' for 500

>>240626
What's up with the word 'spazz'? Is this a Euro thing? You are on an American board, xir. We say retard here, retarded xir.

>>240626
You can practice getting stronger through various exercises in a gym. If a skill is do something well or perform a technique with perfection, how come moving your body through space regardless of blockage isn't a skill? Olympic lifters who practice the snatch aren't just good at the snatch, they're generally stronger through the practice of resistance training. A powerlifter who deadlifts but doesn't snatch isn't as skilled in a snatch, but they have the skill of general strength to lift up a barbell and bring it to their shoulders (given it's appropriate for their strength level.)

A black belt Judoka hammers away at Osoto Gari, a Strongman competitor lifts a 300 lb. stone. If you had them swap places for the movement, the two would be put under a stress they weren't yet prepared for in a specific aspect. However, they possess the skill of general strength to push through and accomplish the task (albeit not very efficiently). That's the ultimate difference, their is general physical preparation and specific physical preparation. Specific training is technique based, but will make you stronger in a general aspect. General training will make you stronger in a broader sense, but allow you to put more intent into specific techniques.

Strength, in either a specific or general sense, is a skill.

>>240639
Strength is not a skill
Strength innately comes from skill
That's way different than you being strong as a baseline
Obviously sprawling is going to be an alien ass concept for you but a good sprawl for instance can apply way more leverage and flatten someone than a bad sprawl, see:DDP v chimaev
Compare the strength of an untrained roid monster like bob sapp to the people that beat him
Or picking someone up with your roid arms vs finding the angle to lift them with your hips
Physical muscular strength comes with it a baseline
But proper skill is inherently strong

>>240639
Also fuck you for arguing your point while posting a picture of a bear
One of the few animals out there that actually wrestles like people do

>>240635
>Retard out
>Spazz out
Nay one better describes a fish flop on the ground

>>240642
>Strength innately comes from skill
That's right, that's why Judosisters should lift some weight LMAO

>>240647
Sukui Nageeeeeeeeee!

>>240647
he fucked up, that's what you get for underestimating an obviously strong opponent

>>240573
It's a matter of when to use strength, not that you shouldn't ever use strength. The goal is maximum-efficient use of energy (seiryoku zen'yō; 精力善用) and learning how to finesse a throw serves this end. If you learn how to finesse a throw and then also blast through it with beast mode power you will destroy people in competition. If you rely on strengthmogging soft nerds at the dojo you're going to be in a tough spot when you're in a tournament with weight classes up against someone your own weight and strength who hasn't wasted his training time simply ragdolling little people.
>In no other activity do coaches tell trainees that they shouldn't perform what they are doing with maximum intent.
Light sparring and drilling has existed in every martial art and sport I've trained. Even in wrestling where we'd routinely push conditioning practices past the point people were throwing up we'd do light free wrestling and drills when the situation called for it.

>>240585
At my dojo we are encouraged to both train in the weight room and to try to stay relaxed and not brute force throws in drills and randori. In shiai we are encouraged to get the throw even if we have to force it.

>>240573
sauce on pic
>>240669
>training time simply ragdolling little people
what if that's all the people you have

what's /judo/ self defense throw? have you ever actually used it?
>osoto otoshi
>yes, but never on a high stakes fight just a scuffle

>>240579
technique before strength
but yes you need absolutely need strength

>>240573
I don't know what fucking strange dojo/gym you go to,
But I've never heard anyone tell me to not use as much strength. At best they told me not to rely on strength as a crutch when executing a technique because I can end up over-exerting, but if the technique is executed flawlessly then more strength is usually better.
Hell usually in most cases, I've been flat out told by my instructors that I don't use enough strength.
>In no other activity do coaches tell trainees that they shouldn't perform what they are doing with maximum intent.
You're correct. Which is why I think whoever is telling you otherwise is full of shit. You should probably seek out another dojo/gym honestly, preferably one that is actually legitimate or credible.

>>240683
>what if that's all the people you have
Use less strength on the mat and more strength in the weight room. Additionally, seek out stronger/larger training partners if you have other schools within day trip distance and go to more tournaments.

>>240703
I would be scared to throw someone, i would rather throw bad punches.

>>240573
The ju slays the go.

>>240703
I've used koshi-guruma to kesa-gatame to resolve minor scuffles without anyone getting injured. I've used sasae-tsurikomi-ashi to lay drunks down on the ground relatively gently. I knew a bouncer who really liked kouchi-gari and ōuchi-gari coupled with a hard shove for sitting drunks down not so gently.

I've been in two situations where I would have been legally justified in shooting somebody and had initiated the process of doing so. Grappling skill allowed me to avoid getting properly grabbed and to create and maintain the space needed to draw my pistol relatively uncontested. The <2 seconds it takes to draw and fire from concealment is enough time for somebody to change their posture in a way that indicates they're about to yield so fortunately I was able to control and resolve those situations without anyone getting seriously hurt.

>>240768
Some throws you can turn into pretty controlled takedowns.

>>240706
You don't absolutely need it if you're a hobbyist
I have a day job with delicate tasks
And other degenerate hobbies
For anyone wondering what strength is for
>The extra edge (up your win rate)
>You're a literal paid/paid for judo career man and you want the extra edge (up your win rate)

judobros we are so back

>>240907
based

>>240907
fuck yeah

>>240907
he probably practiced that counter thousands of times

What's the difference?

>>241218
One of them cost a lot more.

>>241218
One of them cost a lot less.

>>241228
>>241237
comedy hour

*gets punched once*

>>240063
chadi's channel is just clickbait now

>>241437
*kisses you once*

>>241437
I've trained atemi-waza,
>>241614
but for this I'm at a loss.

Does judo have a cte problem? Obviously it teaches you to fall, but taking all those decelerations to the mat could plausibly contribute to the regular subconcussive impacts that cause CTE.

>>241715
no it's one of the most cte-free martial arts

>>240703
Tai-otoshi, osoto-gari, seoi-nage, harai-goshi since those are what I use most in randori. I am glad not to have been in such a situation especially since there is a lot of violent crime in my country involving knives and guns. My Ne-waza needs a lot of work too.

>>240768
Same, especially on like concrete. I also do karate so I would punch and kick first since its best to keep distance I feel, but, then again, its not like you can know what to do in a self defense situation before it happens. You can just train and do your best.

>>241715
From what I've seen, no. But I still train my neck regularly just in case.

>>241888
surprised he didnt get shit for transitioning to ne-waza like that

>>241888
This reminds me of kempo where they just stand there and do 19 move combinations without fighting back at all, except irl

>>242094
What the fuck
How is this shit even possible

>>242109
While first instinct is to be impressed with the balance and strength of the guys standing up, and that's valid
The real message is how absolutely abysmal judo players even at a high level are at ground work
If he was pinning effectively such a thing shouldn't be possible for a person the same size as you to do to you

>>242109
wrestler-tier bridge versus IJF-tier pin

>>242109
that dude gave him too much space to maneuver. it's a half assed kami shiho gatame. you need to sink your head into their belly, push the air out of them, smother them. also i'm gonna guess those guys aren't heavy.

>>242261
I got disqualified once for this exact move for "leglocking"

Females shouldn't be allowed to referee

>>242273
>leglocking
The fuck? Which part?

>>242283
Grabbing the leg to stop them rotating out of the choke

>>242400
slick

Any good dojos in the DMV area? Specifically in Anne Arundel co?

What strength training programs do you guys run? Me weak.

>>242699
Just bench + squat + pullups

>>242699
OLAD

>>242699
I don't know if it's optimal but I've always done a push-pull-squat split in the weight room. Some weeks I'll do higher reps and fewer sets and other weeks I'll do lower reps and more sets, always to failure on the last rep and ideally with a forced rep after that if I have a spotter. I like to lift six days a week and rest on Sunday. I do cardio every day with a light but long-ish jog on Sunday just to move around a bit and keep blood flowing through my muscles so they can recover.

During eras where I haven't had good weight room access I'll do calisthenics pretty much all day long as I have time for them as long as that muscle group isn't too tired for more strength training to be useful. Getting cheap/free equipment like sandbags and a pullup bar or keeping an eye out for good sized rocks and tree branches in the park can be helpful. If you have a training buddy you can use each other as weight for squats, running, etc. and do a number of other strength building drills.

Make sure you eat enough protein and make sure you're getting enough calories. Other aspects of nutrition are also important but these are the main points that tend to be the problem for guys who are struggling to build strength. Sleep is also important for recovery and growth. Check out the sticky at >>>/fit/76077351 if you haven't already.

>>242699
Greyskull LP.. but the only thing that actually made me stronger was eating more. I spent years undereating, not realizing that I was consuming like half of my necessary inputs.. as a result I was a skinnyfat kid since teenage years. I thought counting calories was a meme and learned it the hard way, don't make my mistake.

>>238094 (OP)
Anyone have any tips for healing muscular injuries? I got a muscle tear around the knee area and I've already been resting away from Judo for 2-3 weeks but it still hasn't fully healed yet and to make matters worse, I got up from bed in a way that put addition strain and the pain got so worse that now it's a sore across my entire leg. Is there a way to make it heal faster?
I am a white belt and I feel pretty assmad because this is the 4th-5th injury that has made me miss out on countless lessons this year alone and I feel it's delaying my possibility and ability to get better as a whole, I blame it on my retarded stubbornness and refusal to stop when I am clearly already fucked up or even the fact that I sometimes neglect warmups.
But still, I feel like a lazy fucktard waiting for this dogshit injury to heal up. Is there anything I can do to make it better or at least stay active in some way or not feel like I am taking a break from Judo?

>>242814
Engage in exercises of appropriate intensity

>>242801
I thought bear hug with hands clasping was forbidden????

>>242925
https://rules.ijf.org/page-12

>>242814
Se a doctor and start lifting.

>>242945
*see

>>242925
Yes but also no.

Why is atemi waza not widely taught?
>inb4 you can't use it for sports and shiet
that's a gay reason

>>242963
learning strikes from a judoka is like asking a boxer to teach you to grapple

>>242963
Most schools study judo as a means of winning competitions rather than contextualizing competitions as a means of studying judo. If you can find the later they might get into atemi waza but it's not common. Look for places where the head judo instructor is also an instructor in a striking art and it'll improve your odds of getting atemi waza instruction in a judo context but I wouldn't expect it to be given much attention relative to the rest of the curriculum.

>>242963
well yeah, because you can't use it for sports and shiet, but also because boomers don't understand the purpose of kata, the place where these atemi waza was taught in a context where judo is the protagonist, meaning using strikes for further kuzushi.
>>242964
but it doesn't have to be that way. Sambo fags know both and are decent in both...
>>242965
or a japanese jiu jitsu place

>>238094 (OP)
Anyone have any ideas what some of the throws in the MGS3 CQC cutscenes are supposed to be?
https://youtu.be/FcJSHQMx27w
Some of these make no sense and barely use any footwork or sweeps and I have a hard time figuring out the first throw that he does on one of the Ocelot Squad soldiers is meant to be.

>>242993
MGS3 CQC is based off japanese jiu jitsu which revolves around the idea of killing a samurai/japanese soldier after you lost your weapon, so naturally they will be susceptible to falling due to armor. A lot of it is sumi otoshi (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLU9wv52ni0&list=PLtz539PTepc16H2iu5F3Q3D7_He1EYlIQ&index=10)
Also the dude who collab with konami to develop CQC is just some military otaku hack who's never been in a real fight...also it needed to be cinematographic

>>242987
>Sambo fags know both and are decent in both
Only combat sambo fags. It should also be emphasized that the striking in combat sambo is solely meant to serve the grappling and effective striking isn't scored. It's not exactly MMA with a jacket on like people think it is. Lots of guys in combat sambo only know "swing hard and fast as you can until you get a jacket grip" and just fine.

>>243000
>striking in combat sambo is solely meant to serve the grappling
as it should be, at least in judo as well

>>242997
Thanks, I figured. Although even then, from my knowledge, I think most JJJ and Judo throws are identical, barring some stuff that Judo added. Either way wasn't sure if it was a Sumi Otoshi at first (in fact, I thought it was a weird modified version of Osoto Otoshi at first), it does look more like it now that I look at it in direct comparison.
>Also the dude who collab with konami to develop CQC is just some military otaku hack who's never been in a real fight...also it needed to be cinematographic
Yeah I figured, although wasn't he originally in the JSDF?

she italian

>>243036
In isolation, perhaps they are identical, but the footwork really stands out in CQC. It's all very aikido-ish in a way, and it obviously incorporates strikes. It's not particularly original and it's evidently very much based off a fantastical strength (something which Kano rejected). And if you consider where did it come from, it would be appropriate to call it Japanese jiu jitsu, which is already somewhat of an umbrella term.
>Yeah I figured, although wasn't he originally in the JSDF?
I was in the army of a *cucked pacifist* country too. You don't learn anything of use there, let alone a sophisticated system of unarmed combat. Motosada is a hack. Much like Kojima. That being said, like kojima, they kind of have interesting ideas sprinkled in, but you're surrounded by a mountain of pseudo-intellectualism and "armchair knowledge".

>>243099
>it's evidently very much based off a fantastical strength
To me it seems more like he's using strikes to unbalance his opponents before knocking them out with a hard throw

>>242801
What was the technique used here

Looks like he just fell on top of him

>>243165
I don't think it's a named technique
You get double underhooks, get them under your opponent's center of gravity to act as a fulcrum, then press into him until he topples over

>>243192
And that counts as ippon? I thought you weren't allowed to do that

>>243165
I'd call that a front body lock and a body fold takedown, but I have no idea what it would be in Japanese.

>>243165
pancaku/yoritaoshi/greco body lock crunch

>>243228
>>243230
How is that ippon though. Can you also just snap down/ ragdoll into newaza

>>243258
>How is that ippon though

>uke gets taken down from standing and lands flat on their back with both shoulders touching the mat
why wouldn't that be an ippon

>Can you also just snap down/ ragdoll into newaza
yeah

>>243260
So you're telling me you can "so long gay bowser" people in judo???

>>243270
If you're strong enough

>>242963
its a symptom of everything judo's become. it lost its direction a long time ago. muh sports IS the reason now, because nu-judo is just a sport. and it is gay, very gay.
why isn't atemi-waza taught? why isn't judo taught.
kanou died nearly a century ago, kodokan judo was sporterized by the olympics, and kosen was hugely popularized by those brazilian carny assholes. kanou's ideas are little more than an impediment to the tourney regiment of getting swole and winning big, if not a critique of it. its stodgy and philosophical. not for niggers and meatheads.

this guy will dominate heavyweight judo for the next 10 years, remember my words.

>>243716
See you in 2035

>>243737
Here's a slightly higher res version.

I can't wait to do this sport, but I hope I never get choked out. I dont wanna pass out and kill some braincells.

>>243899
>I dont wanna pass out and kill some braincells.
It takes minutes of restricted blood flow for brain cells to start dying, that's not happening in class or competition that's only happening if someone is trying to kill you.

>>243902
This is reassuring, thank you anon.
Still, I think I'll just tap out if I ever get put in a serious choke hold. Just seems uncomfortable.

>>243904
>Still, I think I'll just tap out if I ever get put in a serious choke hold.
Typically that's what you do unless it's a match that really matters and you think you can run out the clock. Getting choked out isn't a big deal, you wake up quickly feeling like you took a solid nap.
>Just seems uncomfortable.
It's not that bad at all. Train for neck strength if you're worried about it (should be strength training anyway). Judo chokes are just blood chokes so they shouldn't hurt; air chokes and neck cranks from other submission grappling can hurt but those aren't allowed here.

>>243907
I appreciate this anon. thank you for explaining, i'll be a bit braver going into it.

>>243904
Why tap brother just go to sleep

>>244230
Cool transition. The flow of that almost reminds me of those nonsensical AI videos with messed up physics.

Would it be a dick move to do deashi like a kick by using the top of my foot instead of the sole? Not a hard kick, just using the top foot instead of sole with the same level of power in normal deashi.

Why do people keep saying judo "teaches you to fall"?

Like people slip and then slap the floor like they're breakfalling? Wtf rofl

>>244519
de ashi harai / barai are all in the timing and you're most likely just going to piss people off by kicking them in the shins and ankles like that.

if you insist on using a soccer kick type motion, you can do something like a sticky-foot kosoto instead https://youtu.be/JaMu27ADzmc
unlike de ashi there's not as much emphasis on timing so it's a lot easier to hit

>>244582
In addition to this question, I have several more

Is the gripping game in judo (belt grip, back of jacket grip, collar and sleeve) etc beneficial by itself in order to for example pull someone out of a premesis as a security guard

Are all grips as good as each other depending on the context? Or is there a grip most dominant? I assume it's the bear hug?


Do/ should people wear gumshields during randori?

Coming from a striking background im right handed but have left foot forward as I feel most balanced there. In judo it's the other way round.

How awkward would it be to play left leg forward in judo as a right handed person? Would I be handicapping myself?

>>244582
>Why do people keep saying judo "teaches you to fall"?
It does. You spend a lot of time starting out drilling the proper reflexive response to falling and then all of your training after that reinforces those reflexes.
>Like people slip and then slap the floor like they're breakfalling?
Yes. I have several anecdotes on this subject if you care. This is the single most useful physical skill taught in judo.

>>244595
Kano always looks at me disappointed...

>>244595
Idk whenever I've slipped over I've just caught my balance or managed to catch myself with my hand and run out of it or keep my balance

Obviously if someone is smashing you into the ground don't stick your hand out and tuck your neck

I don't understand le ukemi for falling over

>>244595
Now answer the other questions

>>244601
I had planned on taking the time to type out a thoughtful answer tonight but now I don't want to anymore.

>>244596
Shamefur dispray

>>244627
So the more keen someone is to hear your answer to gain wisdom the more secretive and arrogant you become

Not very "Judo spirit" is it

>>244597
That's because you don't do any exciting shit where you might fall and ukemi might come in handy.
>Is the gripping game in judo (belt grip, back of jacket grip, collar and sleeve) etc beneficial by itself in order to for example pull someone out of a premesis as a security guard
Not theoretically perhaps, but the constant training does give you that skill. The way you push/pull can be awkward at first.
>Are all grips as good as each other depending on the context? Or is there a grip most dominant? I assume it's the bear hug?
It depends on the player. I hate lapel and sleeve, love the overhand because I'm a manlet and I can pull my opponent down without risking getting thrown by ippon seoi nage too much (given my lower center of gravity). Being pulled down fucking sucks. But there is lower risk in other grips, so it all balances somewhat.
>Do/ should people wear gumshields during randori?
Only one dude in my dojo did and he was a huge faggot, even more than OP. Should? Nah, I don't think so. If you do it's usually because you're doing newaza with retards.
>How awkward would it be to play left leg forward in judo as a right handed person? Would I be handicapping myself?
In theory your stance is textbook stance to getting thrown by ippon seoi nage, o goshi, etc.
In practice, well, that's your stance dude. You already built yourself around it and if it feels the most natural well so be it. What you will absolutely need to modify is the fact that your feet need to be totally grounded, so don't lift your heels. And crouch slightly, but I assume boxers (I think you're a boxer or kickboxer) already do that.

>>244645
>Do/ should people wear gumshields during randori?

I got headbutted hard right underneath my jaw in wrestling during a scramble and lucky I didn't lose my teeth

>>244645
Thanks

>>244234
I thought it was AI too. it's the filter they're putting on everything nowadays, just to make it harder to distinguish what's real or not

>>244647
haha so now you use a gay little mouth plastic?
teeth grow back

>>244774
sick and on a completely unrelated note i support china and the chinese communist party just putting that out there

Feeling a bit disillusioned with my progress after 6 months of classes. I go to a very competition-focused dojo and have not been close to hitting a single throw in randori yet. Lowest rank other than me is an orange belt with years of sambo experience.

Is it still useful to do randori with people that outskill me this much?

>randori partner that spends every round doing nothing but stripping grips and disengaging
>even when i let him take advantageous grips, he'll let go so he can 2-on-1 some bullshit outside bicep grip i have, remove it and reset again
how do i help correct this behavior?

So what other hobbies do you guys have besides Judo
Please
I am nothing without the training sessions. Video games no longer give me joy.

>>243299
So what do I read to know all of Kanou's original ideas? The OG bible?

>>245382
I'm in the same boat as you, so if you find out please let me know.

>>245377
>Is it still useful to do randori with people that outskill me this much?
Yes, you're likely learning more than you realize. Sign up for a white belt tournament if you can, or visit another school within driving distance that has more orange/yellow/white/whatever-you-are belts.

>>245381
You dont. You just proved judo doesn't work

>>245389
i can throw him just fine, but i feel bad if the randori is completely one sided so i often let him take grips on me but he will often still refuse to attempt a throw even when i give him one

>>245390
>bro stop being retarded, you haven't attempted a single throw in the entire round. How do you expect to get better?

>>245381
Let him do it, then win via shido in competition.

>>245392
This. He's obviously new and scared. But Kano literally wrote about it, you need to attack, and attack and attack in randori. So should your opponent

>>245383
Nigga
https://annas-archive.org/md5/9d8a4d9c2752f608198bf39670b18401

>>245381
>>245390
Offering to take turns throwing each other in randori could help this guy be more aggressive.

When I first learned judo the instructor had us take turns being tori during randori so that you knew when it was time for you to be aggressive. Uke was instructed to not stall or muscle into any counters but he could try to keep his balance through good tai-sabaki and counter sloppy throws. We were told that randori was cooperative free-flow practice and I was caught off guard the first time I encountered people treating it like shiai. I prefer this more cooperative style of randori because it lets new judoka hit more throws and gives experienced judoka an opportunity to slow down and feel their opponent instead of just hammering in aggressively all the time and treating new guys like inanimate grappling dummies.

>training
wee woo wee fun
>going to training
i dont want to drive there :(
>coming back from training
wee woo wee fun

Does anybody else have that one black belt guy who shows up to class like once every 8 months and just destroys everybody with incredible power and insane velocity? Like nobody can throw him and he's just able to throw every other vetted black belt like they're children and it's incredible to watch.

I do. I wish he should up more often, but he just doesn't.

>>245770
>I wish he should up more often, but he just doesn't.
It gets boring to constantly demolish everyone without effort or thought. Train hard enough over the next 8 months to give him a challenge and he might be interested in showing up more often.

>>245770
those kind of guys are training elsewhere and likely crosstraining too. if you ever try wrestling, sambo, bjj, etc. you're likely to run into some black belt you've met before. happened to me a few times.

>>245770
and then they complain about how their back, knees and shoulders hurt all the time and how they sprained their whatever last time they were there

>>245519
>coming back from training
shit it's late af i have yet to eat dinner i have work tomorrow my back hurts why am i still doing this

Been reading this thread for a few days now and finally decided to attend a class. I haven't done any martial arts other than a few months of wrestling a did back in high school, and a few classes of BJJ I've been invited to over the years. Out of all the martial arts, Judo seems the most practical when it comes to learning self-defense, and it seems the most fun to practice. Came back from a beginner session at one of the local dojos, and I had a pretty good time. What should I expect to learn as a beginner that can only consistently attend classes once a week and what expectations should I have for my progress? Also, how can I tell if a dojo is good or not?

>>245875
>What should I expect to learn as a beginner that can only consistently attend classes once a week and what expectations should I have for my progress?
once a week is better than not going at all. i think progress will be slow, but you can mitigate that by taking an active stance in your learning both in and out of class.
>how can I tell if a dojo is good or not?
i think most of that comes down to common sense. are the mats clean? is hygiene held to a good standard? are your training partners friendly and welcoming? are the instructors involved and helpful? are you having fun?

How to know whether it's a pain and strain and you can train through it

Or an injury that requires time off

>>245908
>once a week is better than not going at all. i think progress will be slow, but you can mitigate that by taking an active stance in your learning both in and out of class.
Very cool, any sources I should take a look at, or good youtubers?
>i think most of that comes down to common sense. are the mats clean? is hygiene held to a good standard? are your training partners friendly and welcoming? are the instructors involved and helpful? are you having fun?
Everyone there seems super chill and the instructors are very involved. Fun factor is definitely there.

>>245919
gotta listen to your body and make that call
a few months ago i injured my elbow and a hard pull on my sleeve would cause me to grimace in pain, so i just adjusted my training by doing what i was comfortable doing, such as drills and uchi komi. i just didnt do randori for a while. eventually it healed.

>>245924
i like shintaro higashi and travis stevens. travis especially has some good instructionals.
>Everyone there seems super chill and the instructors are very involved. Fun factor is definitely there.
then i would argue you're at a good dojo

whoops I accidentally posted the best technique for self defense

>>245978
counterpoint: