>>18145654
>Were people back in the early days of Christianity able to understand the Bible and the scriptures better than us?
I think the decisive factor is whether or not a person is saved and has the Holy Spirit to guide them into understanding or not.
"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you."
(John 16:13-14)
"For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual."
(1 Corinthians 2:11-13)
"But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."
(1 John 2:27)
Obviously, if you have help from the Lord God of the Bible to understand the scripture inspired by the same God, you will be able to understand since God will give you the insight.
Otherwise, without God, I don't think even the most intellectually skilled person who lived at the time, who knew all the original languages and who already knew the cultural context in which the Bible was written, would be able to understand it.
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>>18144176
The solution is to avoid them, as they are already a lost cause (the Bible says sodomites are reprobate), and let God deal with them.
The solution is to avoid them, as they are already a lost cause (the Bible says sodomites are reprobate), and let God deal with them.
>>18132112
>The bible does not say that the charismatic gifts of the Holy Spirit would ever cease.
If by charismatic you mean given by God's grace, then yes, that includes gifts other than the sign gifts mentioned in Mark 16:17-18.
>know that not one member of his body is lamed or inactive.
Yes because the original apostles are still alive today in Christ. And we still have their uncorrupted word today.
>All of the works of the Holy Spirit mentioned in 1 Corinthians are still in effect today.
In 1 Corinthians 13:8, Paul mentions that the gift of tongues shall cease. This is one of the sign gifts earlier mentioned. It means those gifts were given for a particular time and place to "confirm the word" (see Mark 16:20) spoken by the apostles, among which are those who wrote the New Testament. Paul's prophecy here points to a time when these gifts will no longer be occurring in earthly churches, as indeed they are not today. Babbling incoherently is not the gift of tongues either. God is not the author of confusion, as Scripture tells us in 1 Corinthians 14:33.
I would still say the sign gifts are "in effect" insofar as we read about them in Scripture today, and they are as real for us as they are for those who witnessed them in person. When I read about the sign gifts happening in New Testament times, it's far more real for me than some wicked unbeliever who mocks God by writhing on the floor like someone who is demon possessed, and blasphemously calls that a gift from God, all while ignoring what God's word clearly says.
>In fact, we see the appellation of apostle applied to others who were not originally among the 12
Outside of the Bible, people have said lots of things. But you don't find it in the Bible.
>The bible does not say that the charismatic gifts of the Holy Spirit would ever cease.
If by charismatic you mean given by God's grace, then yes, that includes gifts other than the sign gifts mentioned in Mark 16:17-18.
>know that not one member of his body is lamed or inactive.
Yes because the original apostles are still alive today in Christ. And we still have their uncorrupted word today.
>All of the works of the Holy Spirit mentioned in 1 Corinthians are still in effect today.
In 1 Corinthians 13:8, Paul mentions that the gift of tongues shall cease. This is one of the sign gifts earlier mentioned. It means those gifts were given for a particular time and place to "confirm the word" (see Mark 16:20) spoken by the apostles, among which are those who wrote the New Testament. Paul's prophecy here points to a time when these gifts will no longer be occurring in earthly churches, as indeed they are not today. Babbling incoherently is not the gift of tongues either. God is not the author of confusion, as Scripture tells us in 1 Corinthians 14:33.
I would still say the sign gifts are "in effect" insofar as we read about them in Scripture today, and they are as real for us as they are for those who witnessed them in person. When I read about the sign gifts happening in New Testament times, it's far more real for me than some wicked unbeliever who mocks God by writhing on the floor like someone who is demon possessed, and blasphemously calls that a gift from God, all while ignoring what God's word clearly says.
>In fact, we see the appellation of apostle applied to others who were not originally among the 12
Outside of the Bible, people have said lots of things. But you don't find it in the Bible.
>>18101703
>If modern Jews aren't related to Biblical Jews.
They have no connection in any way, ideologically or otherwise. The biblical term "synagogue of satan" describes them, i.e., those who say they are Jews and are not, but do lie.
"Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."
- Revelation 3:9
This is talking about what you're referring to.
By the way, why do you dislike the idea of me questioning who these people are?
>If modern Jews aren't related to Biblical Jews.
They have no connection in any way, ideologically or otherwise. The biblical term "synagogue of satan" describes them, i.e., those who say they are Jews and are not, but do lie.
"Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."
- Revelation 3:9
This is talking about what you're referring to.
By the way, why do you dislike the idea of me questioning who these people are?
>>18070982
>I think you people should leave this to the debate of the learned men and priests in all honesty,
See the following:
"Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, and hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen."
(Revelation 1:5-6)
>and honestly you guys are kiiiinda engaging in heterodoxy with some of the takes you're coming out with....
If you are admitting here you don't know the truth yourself, then by your own admission, you've just admitted you're not really qualified to judge this matter either.
For all you know (and for all I know as well, since you don't seem to be able or willing to explain yourself) you're disagreeing with someone who is right.
>I think you people should leave this to the debate of the learned men and priests in all honesty,
See the following:
"Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, and hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen."
(Revelation 1:5-6)
>and honestly you guys are kiiiinda engaging in heterodoxy with some of the takes you're coming out with....
If you are admitting here you don't know the truth yourself, then by your own admission, you've just admitted you're not really qualified to judge this matter either.
For all you know (and for all I know as well, since you don't seem to be able or willing to explain yourself) you're disagreeing with someone who is right.
>>17862455
>We should have clear guidance from the church which is "the pillar and foundation of the truth".
And if it is a Christian church, then the people will all have the truth itself, which is God's word.
>We should have clear guidance from the church which is "the pillar and foundation of the truth".
And if it is a Christian church, then the people will all have the truth itself, which is God's word.
>>17805052
It's not my fault you cannot or will not read. And you can never say that you weren't warned when it is finally time for judgement.
Even if you chose not to read that warning and chose not to think again.
It's not my fault you cannot or will not read. And you can never say that you weren't warned when it is finally time for judgement.
Even if you chose not to read that warning and chose not to think again.
>>17772208
>Apostle Paul would be very upset that you ended slavery.
I don't see how this relates to anything in my post. Also it's wrong.
>He told slaves to obey their masters as they would obey Christ, and was all for slavery
Actually, if you take the time to read the Bible, being under sin is considered the true slavery.
"Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed."
- John 8:34-36
"Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness."
- Romans 6:16-18
>and called himself Jesus's #1 slave.
See Romans 6:22
"But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life."
(Romans 6:22)
>Apostle Paul would be very upset that you ended slavery.
I don't see how this relates to anything in my post. Also it's wrong.
>He told slaves to obey their masters as they would obey Christ, and was all for slavery
Actually, if you take the time to read the Bible, being under sin is considered the true slavery.
"Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed."
- John 8:34-36
"Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness."
- Romans 6:16-18
>and called himself Jesus's #1 slave.
See Romans 6:22
"But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life."
(Romans 6:22)
>>17767518
>The KJV translates all of these words as "hell" which is pretty interesting in itself, and is just another layer of confusion.
Except it's really not when you actually study it.
The New Testament in Acts 2:27 has a translation of the Hebrew "sheol" as the Greek word "hades," proving that those two are connected.
Also, if you compare what it says in Mark and Luke, it's very clear that both Greek words also refer to hell as well. In the first of these references, the Greek "gehenna" is used, and in the second "hades" is used. This collectively shows that, biblically, all three words refer to hell.
"And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."
(Mark 9:43-44)
"And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame."
(Luke 16:22-24)
I am not sure how many more times I am going to encounter people making up false theories about the Biblical doctrine of hell, or how many more times I am going to need to post these references, but I will continue to post these Scriptures again and again each time I run into this for the rest of my life as long as I live.
>The KJV translates all of these words as "hell" which is pretty interesting in itself, and is just another layer of confusion.
Except it's really not when you actually study it.
The New Testament in Acts 2:27 has a translation of the Hebrew "sheol" as the Greek word "hades," proving that those two are connected.
Also, if you compare what it says in Mark and Luke, it's very clear that both Greek words also refer to hell as well. In the first of these references, the Greek "gehenna" is used, and in the second "hades" is used. This collectively shows that, biblically, all three words refer to hell.
"And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."
(Mark 9:43-44)
"And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame."
(Luke 16:22-24)
I am not sure how many more times I am going to encounter people making up false theories about the Biblical doctrine of hell, or how many more times I am going to need to post these references, but I will continue to post these Scriptures again and again each time I run into this for the rest of my life as long as I live.