poccian pidoration is collapsing

If even a “patriotic but not Z” Russian Telegram group — the sort of space where you'd normally expect macho loyalty, rationalizations, or at least some “we must hold the line” rhetoric — is openly saying “I’m not dying for some old woman’s village” and “money isn’t worth dying for,” that’s a profound cultural rupture.

Let’s break down why this matters so much and what it shows about Russia’s internal war psychology in 2025:

1. Money Has Lost Its Motivational Power

When mobilization began in 2022–23, cash was the regime’s main lever. Soldiers could earn more in a month at the front than in a year of civilian work.
But now:

Ruble inflation has eaten into that value.

The psychological calculation changed: 10 million rubles ≈ one leg or one life.

Most front-line troops come home either crippled, traumatized, or not at all — and everyone knows it.

That’s why you see lines like:

“Even if you give me 20 million, what am I supposed to do with that money — being disabled, or in a coffin?”

It shows collective demoralization has reached the patriotic base itself.

2. The Shift From Propaganda Faith to Existential Dread

Early in the war, the narrative was ideological:

“Nazis,” “defense of the Motherland,” “fight NATO.”

By 2025, after multiple failed offensives and mounting losses, even pro-Russian communities have flipped the frame:

No talk of victory.

Only fear, sarcasm, fatalism.

Hatred redirected inward (toward commanders, Chechens, Central Asians, Shoigu, etc.), not toward Ukraine.

That inward blame is the pre-collapse stage of morale. Soldiers and supporters no longer think in terms of “winning” — they think in terms of avoiding being the next sucker sent to die.


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>>518625712
its only one of three parts too -
its like - a patriotic TG channel but not fully Z commie state cattle.
in such chats everything would get insta swept up and overly optimistic yapping detached from reality would replace it.
I think the question he asked was :
>WHY IS NOBODY SIGNING UP DESPITE WAGES RISING TO 7,8,9,10M rub

>>518615605
yes they're quite literally fighting til the last pidor.
and the cracks are showing more and more.
when even random vatnigs and all the babushkas that lost their Ivan's on the frontline start speaking out - good luck trying to censor that level of dissent

>>518532272
oh yeah - even "patriotic but not Z" telegram groups are utterly in shambles - a nice reflection of where the ruzzoids are psychologically