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Symbiote is decent enough (I don't have any though), you're not going to find anything comparable at that price (maybe reesee and whatever the other chink one is called if you can get those, I think they use a very similar pattern). As for being slimmer, the issue with Symbiote is that they all tend to have weird reductions in body shape. They also frequently get updated to allegedly address those issues but from what I can tell it remains a bit luck of the draw in terms of QC. It's definitely not 4DE quality which is one reason I don't have any (the other being shipping) but at least you don't have to wait half a year for these.

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>I've used that line of thinking to accept the higher cost, voting with my wallet for once.
Same, I also have a Fairphone for this reason.
>I would still get a cheap older (T480s?) ThinkPad if that was the case for me
Even if not a main PC I'd want it to have decent CPU performance since I might want to compile some shit, so a Ryzen would be really nice. But admittedly most of it is "but I might need it" autism, and I'd prefer to get into an ecosystem that might have a future as opposed to an increasingly ageing one, though who knows if that actually pans out. Maybe I should look at used Ryzen Thinkpads.
>FW16 seems more inviting to such mods, some progress there but stalled
wait you need an actual PCB mod and can't just plug some cables in? lame, that's definitely far beyond me lol. I guess that explains why noone has done it yet, not even just a trackpoint mod.
Anyways looks like there'll be some announcement in a week, maybe there'll be something for the 16.