Alright, this looks like a fun thread. Pic related is test data collected from test reports and Buffman's test videos of both XSAPI (revision A / B) plates and the Adept Colossus VPAM PM-12 plate, which is moderately stronger.
To defeat an XSAPI, you need to take .30-06 M2AP, the Level IV threat, and reload it into a cartridge fast enough to go well over 3,200ft/s. To defeat the Colossus without using exotic tungsten-core ammo above M993 / Swiss P AP, like 7.92x57mm SmKH or 7.62x54R 7N37, you'll need to drive M2AP well above 3,300ft/s. This can be done using a .300 Weatherby or equivalent, but this isn't something you can CQB with. If you can get M2AP to 3,500ft/s you have a decent window.
The only plate above the Colossus in this area that is actively in CONUS is the Protech 2230, which is rated to defeat .30-06 M2AP at 3,500ft/s - a stiff requirement that you can probably guess as to why it exists. It's a heavy fucker at 7.5lb and was discontinued many years ago. They were surplused out from LE a few years ago on the cheap. Possible there's something better out there (Protech 2240?).
The better answer is to train for pelvis / femoral shots to go around the plate. Better yet, explosives. The first option will be difficult if they have Level IV or above shields. Known extremity armor has yet to exceed NIJ Level IV. Helmets have yet to exceed M855 / 7.62x51mm M80 protection aside from vaporware like the Diamond Age Bastion (M855A1) and extremely heavy Level IV overhelmet appliques from Tencate.
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>other two glowing questions
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>>64217841
There's been like four APAnons. There was one guy in like 2018, the korean in 2020-2022, then two more afterwards. They've either skipped town or gotten vanned. Basically anyone that gets far enough along making DIY AP ammunition that can seriously challenge ceramic armor is going to get feds at the door unless your OPSEC is watertight. In other words, don't post shit about it on the internet. Keep it word of mouth.
Anyways if you want to actually pierce Level IV ceramics just buy a 26" .300 Weatherby or equivalent and reload M2AP to about 3,400ft/s. This gives you 250ft/s over the REV. J ESAPI's v50 requirement and 150ft/s over the Adept Colossus' v25. XSAPI v50 going off of the Buffman test is about 3,250ft/s. Keep in mind that he tested the XSAPI wrong and used mystery meat no-label soft armor. It needs milspec soft behind it, so to be safe assume v50 on XSAPI REV. A / REV. B to be 3,300ft/s. REV. C is same protection but drops 0.5lb, there is an alleged REV. D that ups protection but it's never surfaced. I think it never really got anywhere and they went straight to VTP.
The only known Level IV plate that can eat this upfront, v0, 0% chance is the Protech 2230 - which was tested to defeat M2AP at over 3,500ft/s with no penetrations.
There's been like four APAnons. There was one guy in like 2018, the korean in 2020-2022, then two more afterwards. They've either skipped town or gotten vanned. Basically anyone that gets far enough along making DIY AP ammunition that can seriously challenge ceramic armor is going to get feds at the door unless your OPSEC is watertight. In other words, don't post shit about it on the internet. Keep it word of mouth.
Anyways if you want to actually pierce Level IV ceramics just buy a 26" .300 Weatherby or equivalent and reload M2AP to about 3,400ft/s. This gives you 250ft/s over the REV. J ESAPI's v50 requirement and 150ft/s over the Adept Colossus' v25. XSAPI v50 going off of the Buffman test is about 3,250ft/s. Keep in mind that he tested the XSAPI wrong and used mystery meat no-label soft armor. It needs milspec soft behind it, so to be safe assume v50 on XSAPI REV. A / REV. B to be 3,300ft/s. REV. C is same protection but drops 0.5lb, there is an alleged REV. D that ups protection but it's never surfaced. I think it never really got anywhere and they went straight to VTP.
The only known Level IV plate that can eat this upfront, v0, 0% chance is the Protech 2230 - which was tested to defeat M2AP at over 3,500ft/s with no penetrations.
>>63990961
>I saw that too
Buffman does write the actual measurements on the plates, not the nominal going off the XRT and Aliex PE tests, so a typo on the table indeed. Regardless, the plates are around 5.6oz (0.35lb) overweight. This isn't a massive discrepancy but it's worth noting. The plate is also 1.13" and not advertised 1.18", so there are some other variances.
>All in all performance seemed exactly in-line with the previous one.
Well, yes, except that this one did lose to fair hit M2AP at 3,280 (pretty sure 3,180ft/s was also a typo going off chrono #2).
>Mogs M993 as usual, stopping it at 3500 fps
I'm seeing 3,430ft/s at the most for either test going off pic rel. Point stands. Notably, it seems to have a somewhat harder time with hot steel-core M2AP. Backer might be giving out before the strike face does.
>Beats Swiss P again, which penned XSAPI
Yes, but Buffman wrenched the XSAPI test and used generic white label soft instead of milspec backers. XSAPIs are an ICW plate, not standalone, so it is a stop if the round beats the plate but is caught by the backer. In that case, plate #2 stopped Swiss P AP (once) even with mystery meat soft armor.
>M948 performance is like 4200fps V50
Cannot calculate v50 off of two shots, one sample. Coin flip.
>Also stops 6.5mm tungsten-core at >3100 fps!
Certainly, but he only fired one shot, so is that v0 or v50?
>This makes me wonder about XM1158
Swiss P AP and M993 are both very dated, the former is from 1998. I would wager M1158 is still out of bounds.
>so I wonder how a "clean" plate...
Because Buff abides by fair hit rule when he can and the Colossus is PM-12, this is a multi-hit plate and should be able to crack-arrest / localize backer deformation accordingly.
So while this test is good, there's the weight. Also, referring to the 2024 and 2022 test reports, same round similar velocity and the BFD went up a lot in 24. These tests are still no substitute for NIJ cert, which all of Adept's plates lack.
>I saw that too
Buffman does write the actual measurements on the plates, not the nominal going off the XRT and Aliex PE tests, so a typo on the table indeed. Regardless, the plates are around 5.6oz (0.35lb) overweight. This isn't a massive discrepancy but it's worth noting. The plate is also 1.13" and not advertised 1.18", so there are some other variances.
>All in all performance seemed exactly in-line with the previous one.
Well, yes, except that this one did lose to fair hit M2AP at 3,280 (pretty sure 3,180ft/s was also a typo going off chrono #2).
>Mogs M993 as usual, stopping it at 3500 fps
I'm seeing 3,430ft/s at the most for either test going off pic rel. Point stands. Notably, it seems to have a somewhat harder time with hot steel-core M2AP. Backer might be giving out before the strike face does.
>Beats Swiss P again, which penned XSAPI
Yes, but Buffman wrenched the XSAPI test and used generic white label soft instead of milspec backers. XSAPIs are an ICW plate, not standalone, so it is a stop if the round beats the plate but is caught by the backer. In that case, plate #2 stopped Swiss P AP (once) even with mystery meat soft armor.
>M948 performance is like 4200fps V50
Cannot calculate v50 off of two shots, one sample. Coin flip.
>Also stops 6.5mm tungsten-core at >3100 fps!
Certainly, but he only fired one shot, so is that v0 or v50?
>This makes me wonder about XM1158
Swiss P AP and M993 are both very dated, the former is from 1998. I would wager M1158 is still out of bounds.
>so I wonder how a "clean" plate...
Because Buff abides by fair hit rule when he can and the Colossus is PM-12, this is a multi-hit plate and should be able to crack-arrest / localize backer deformation accordingly.
So while this test is good, there's the weight. Also, referring to the 2024 and 2022 test reports, same round similar velocity and the BFD went up a lot in 24. These tests are still no substitute for NIJ cert, which all of Adept's plates lack.