I made a thread but ill ask here too, does anyone know a good casual all black derby shoe like picrel? Everything online looks way too dressy to me. Is this just a dressy derby thats been worn in? Or is there a shape or type of leather that makes a derby shoe look casual like this? Any recommendations?

Where do you find casual black leather shoes like this?
>inb4 derby shoe
ok but they are all glossy and pointy and dressy looking. Do you just get one of those and you have to wear it in a ton before it can be casual like picrel? Is there a certain brand or style that has this everyday casual look? A certain kind of leather or sole or shape? What am I missing