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>The practice was deeply problematic and had this reputation even within Greece
It was widely accepted, practiced, and considered positive in most cases. The fact that there were discussions surrounding the context in which it was acceptable does not mean it was problematic. This is like claiming that prohibitions regarding prostitution, marriage, incest, prostitution, adultery, age of consent, etc. are all proof that heterosexuality is problematic.

>Laws
Where Plato rants about his personal opinion on an ideal society, which he admits is contrary to public opinion. He wants to outlaw homosexuality... because it's a legal, widespread practice. Plato's Laws, and his other writings which mention pederasty are actually evidence of widespread pederasty, not widespread condemnation of the practice.

>Aeschines who prosecuted a case against a man who prostituted himself as a boy
Which has nothing to do with criminalizing pederasty for reasons already explained.

> "The major obstacle ... is the state of the available evidence"
And he concludes that sexual relations between men and boys were most likely present in Sparta from the available evidence.

>but by no means is the text supportive of your sweeping claims about the entire Greek peninsula
I didn't present it as evidence in favour of that claim, moron. I presented it specifically in relation to Spartan pederasty.

>if sex ever occurred it was fundamentally rape
Cool opinion, but it's wrong, and you've been proven wrong re. this plenty of times on this board already, which people are free to read the archives to see.

>it is habit for you to produce evidence which you claim to be "proof" for your claims and in doing so betray that you have bothered to engage very little with the text at hand
Nice description of yourself.

>you have just done it now with the Cartledge
You are hallucinating arguments which I haven't even presented, and then refuting them. Congratulations.