>>107077416
because GDP is a retarded metric
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>>520278847
>Are you sure this graph says what you think it says? Pumping more money supply doesn't directly spawn GDP out of ether (if the GDP is inflation adjusted)
Heh. You believe "inflation adjustment" is a thing.
Heh. You believe "inflation adjustment" CAN BE a thing.
Heh. You don't realise that actual prosperity deflates the GeeDeePee because it means people don't need to spend as much money to fulfil their needs and wants as well as before because stuff is cheaper because there's more stuff to spend money on. So people can afford to park money out of circulation as savings. In the process reducing the circulating supply of legal tender and thereby exerting further deflationary pressure on prices and costs.
Heh. You don't realise that people who have what they want and/or need don't spend money to get what they want or need and lack.
Heh. You don't realise that people who own their own home, their own car, their own electronics devices and home appliances don't need to spend a monthly rent for these. So they have more money available to not spend and park out of circulation as savings.
>Are you sure this graph says what you think it says? Pumping more money supply doesn't directly spawn GDP out of ether (if the GDP is inflation adjusted)
Heh. You believe "inflation adjustment" is a thing.
Heh. You believe "inflation adjustment" CAN BE a thing.
Heh. You don't realise that actual prosperity deflates the GeeDeePee because it means people don't need to spend as much money to fulfil their needs and wants as well as before because stuff is cheaper because there's more stuff to spend money on. So people can afford to park money out of circulation as savings. In the process reducing the circulating supply of legal tender and thereby exerting further deflationary pressure on prices and costs.
Heh. You don't realise that people who have what they want and/or need don't spend money to get what they want or need and lack.
Heh. You don't realise that people who own their own home, their own car, their own electronics devices and home appliances don't need to spend a monthly rent for these. So they have more money available to not spend and park out of circulation as savings.
>>520275645
>My guy, you went from zero being currently built and not having anything built in decades to AI dorking for specific answers as is formulated to the answer to your prompt.
Nigger, I'm not paid to do research to teach you for free on the internet. I do enough charity work by shitting on capitalism for free and explaining how the scam that it is works.
>My assertion of the fact that US Navy drains a lot of funds on research
I never disputed that a lot of (mostly fictional) monetary units get spent in and by the US on vaporware and overpriced and overrated garbage. Same as the jew-roped-peon jewnion.
>and that ship building is an important part of MIC that keeps a cogwheel in the US economy turning
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency units moving around is what an economy is.
Heh. It's amazing how powerful and deadly accurate my mocking sarcastic pastas are.
>is cute and valid while you move goalpoasts by the mile.
My only statement was that the US builds and makes fucking squat shit nothing and that includes military vessels. Which still holds true if you subtract imports or don't disingenuously pretend that anything above zero tons invalidates my statement. Heh.
>My guy, you went from zero being currently built and not having anything built in decades to AI dorking for specific answers as is formulated to the answer to your prompt.
Nigger, I'm not paid to do research to teach you for free on the internet. I do enough charity work by shitting on capitalism for free and explaining how the scam that it is works.
>My assertion of the fact that US Navy drains a lot of funds on research
I never disputed that a lot of (mostly fictional) monetary units get spent in and by the US on vaporware and overpriced and overrated garbage. Same as the jew-roped-peon jewnion.
>and that ship building is an important part of MIC that keeps a cogwheel in the US economy turning
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency units moving around is what an economy is.
Heh. It's amazing how powerful and deadly accurate my mocking sarcastic pastas are.
>is cute and valid while you move goalpoasts by the mile.
My only statement was that the US builds and makes fucking squat shit nothing and that includes military vessels. Which still holds true if you subtract imports or don't disingenuously pretend that anything above zero tons invalidates my statement. Heh.
Capitalism (same thing as judaism, globalism, satanism) wins again. The real economy stays losing. Whites stay losing because they refuse to free themselves from the plantation of the mind. They refuse to relinquish their jewish firmware.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBHVQIQST1s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBHVQIQST1s
>>520254701
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency is finite.
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency is scarce.
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency doesn't grow in availability faster and faster over time.
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency is real.
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency is wealth.
Muh inflation is wealth creation.
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency units moving around is what an economy is.
Paying more for things means I'm richer and more prosperous.
The more I pay, the more I get.
We must create new (mostly fictional) fiat currency and introduce it into circulation as loans to replace the old (mostly fictional) fiat currency parked out of circulation as savings or we will go poor.
When you spend (mostly fictional) fiat currency units, they immediately disappear out of existence. Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency is one time use only.
As long as I have (mostly fictional) fiat currency, it doesn't matter if there's nothing to spend it on.
Public debt and the inflation caused by borrowing the money to pay for public deficits into existence is of the devil and inflationary but private debt and the inflation caused by borrowing the money to pay for private deficits into existence is from God the Father and absolutely not inflationary.
Banking isn't inherently fraudulent. Only central banks are bad. Any other bank is perfectly fine, good, wholesome and proper.
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency is finite.
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency is scarce.
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency doesn't grow in availability faster and faster over time.
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency is real.
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency is wealth.
Muh inflation is wealth creation.
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency units moving around is what an economy is.
Paying more for things means I'm richer and more prosperous.
The more I pay, the more I get.
We must create new (mostly fictional) fiat currency and introduce it into circulation as loans to replace the old (mostly fictional) fiat currency parked out of circulation as savings or we will go poor.
When you spend (mostly fictional) fiat currency units, they immediately disappear out of existence. Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency is one time use only.
As long as I have (mostly fictional) fiat currency, it doesn't matter if there's nothing to spend it on.
Public debt and the inflation caused by borrowing the money to pay for public deficits into existence is of the devil and inflationary but private debt and the inflation caused by borrowing the money to pay for private deficits into existence is from God the Father and absolutely not inflationary.
Banking isn't inherently fraudulent. Only central banks are bad. Any other bank is perfectly fine, good, wholesome and proper.
>>520196758
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency is finite.
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency is scarce.
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency doesn't grow in availability faster and faster over time.
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency is real.
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency is wealth.
Muh inflation is wealth creation.
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency units moving around is what an economy is.
Paying more for things means I'm richer and more prosperous.
The more I pay, the more I get.
We must create new (mostly fictional) fiat currency and introduce it into circulation as loans to replace the old (mostly fictional) fiat currency parked out of circulation as savings or we will go poor.
As long as I have (mostly fictional) fiat currency, it doesn't matter if there's nothing to spend it on.
Public debt and the inflation caused by borrowing the money to pay for public deficits into existence is of the devil and inflationary but private debt and the inflation caused by borrowing the money to pay for private deficits into existence is from God the Father and absolutely not inflationary.
Banking isn't inherently fraudulent. Only central banks are bad. Any other bank is perfectly fine, good, wholesome and proper.
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency is finite.
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency is scarce.
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency doesn't grow in availability faster and faster over time.
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency is real.
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency is wealth.
Muh inflation is wealth creation.
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency units moving around is what an economy is.
Paying more for things means I'm richer and more prosperous.
The more I pay, the more I get.
We must create new (mostly fictional) fiat currency and introduce it into circulation as loans to replace the old (mostly fictional) fiat currency parked out of circulation as savings or we will go poor.
As long as I have (mostly fictional) fiat currency, it doesn't matter if there's nothing to spend it on.
Public debt and the inflation caused by borrowing the money to pay for public deficits into existence is of the devil and inflationary but private debt and the inflation caused by borrowing the money to pay for private deficits into existence is from God the Father and absolutely not inflationary.
Banking isn't inherently fraudulent. Only central banks are bad. Any other bank is perfectly fine, good, wholesome and proper.
>>520185166
>all they care about is selling more missiles and lavs which will never be delivered
GeeDeePee maxing.
>all they care about is selling more missiles and lavs which will never be delivered
GeeDeePee maxing.
>>519812670
What is real GeeDeePee supposed to be? Imagine thinking you can make GeeDeePee into an actual real metric or real indicator when it's inflated by inflation, poverty and want/lack of ownership and deflated by abundance, real prosperity and ownership. Owners don't need to spend money to rent. Prosperous people who own instead of renting can afford to save money, thereby parking it out of circulation and reducing circulating supply. Abundance/widespread availability of goods and commodities means that people don't need to bid against each other as much and prices can go down. Scarcity and poverty means high prices means more spending and less saving (parking money out of circulation). Everything about GeeDeePee is garbage and there is no way to make it into an actual real economic metric or indicator. So I'm curious what this faggotry of placing the "real" modifier/adjective before it is supposed to do or to mean. They pretend they accounted for the average general level of price increases? They pretend they account for the M3 supply growth? How is the "real" GeeDeePee supposed to differ from the whatever the normal or regular GeeDeePee is called?
What is real GeeDeePee supposed to be? Imagine thinking you can make GeeDeePee into an actual real metric or real indicator when it's inflated by inflation, poverty and want/lack of ownership and deflated by abundance, real prosperity and ownership. Owners don't need to spend money to rent. Prosperous people who own instead of renting can afford to save money, thereby parking it out of circulation and reducing circulating supply. Abundance/widespread availability of goods and commodities means that people don't need to bid against each other as much and prices can go down. Scarcity and poverty means high prices means more spending and less saving (parking money out of circulation). Everything about GeeDeePee is garbage and there is no way to make it into an actual real economic metric or indicator. So I'm curious what this faggotry of placing the "real" modifier/adjective before it is supposed to do or to mean. They pretend they accounted for the average general level of price increases? They pretend they account for the M3 supply growth? How is the "real" GeeDeePee supposed to differ from the whatever the normal or regular GeeDeePee is called?
>>519770657
>resource management mentality of a woman...grandiose projects that make no economic sense are the hallmarks of a civilization that has entered the feminine (decadent) phase
Hilarious take from a cargo cultist. There is no such thing as economic sense in capitalism. Everything that happens in capitalism, certainly at the macroeconomic level, is at least in part arbitrary. If the money supply's growth slows below geometric in capitalism most if not almost all businesses become unprofitable. Financial profit does not exist. It is a jewish lie which is made to seem possible through perpetual and ever accelerating creation of (mostly fictional yet spendable) fiat currency. (((They))) who control the (mostly fictional yet spendable) fiat currency creating institutions (the banks) control how much new (mostly fictional yet spendable) gets created and what it is used to fund or what it is allocated to build, make or do. So they also decide what is financially profitable and what is not financially profitable to make or do domestically. While also making it forever cheaper and cheaper to import instead of making, doing or producing domestically, because of the debasement of the domestic fiat currency caused by the perpetual geometric expansion of the supply of (mostly fictional yet spendable) domestic fiat currency within the cunt-tree's borders.
You could talk about economic sense if the economy ran on energy and not on money.
Economics is a fake, non-science. It's deceitful and dishonest propaganda and indoctrination pretending to be science. Pic related.
>resource management mentality of a woman...grandiose projects that make no economic sense are the hallmarks of a civilization that has entered the feminine (decadent) phase
Hilarious take from a cargo cultist. There is no such thing as economic sense in capitalism. Everything that happens in capitalism, certainly at the macroeconomic level, is at least in part arbitrary. If the money supply's growth slows below geometric in capitalism most if not almost all businesses become unprofitable. Financial profit does not exist. It is a jewish lie which is made to seem possible through perpetual and ever accelerating creation of (mostly fictional yet spendable) fiat currency. (((They))) who control the (mostly fictional yet spendable) fiat currency creating institutions (the banks) control how much new (mostly fictional yet spendable) gets created and what it is used to fund or what it is allocated to build, make or do. So they also decide what is financially profitable and what is not financially profitable to make or do domestically. While also making it forever cheaper and cheaper to import instead of making, doing or producing domestically, because of the debasement of the domestic fiat currency caused by the perpetual geometric expansion of the supply of (mostly fictional yet spendable) domestic fiat currency within the cunt-tree's borders.
You could talk about economic sense if the economy ran on energy and not on money.
Economics is a fake, non-science. It's deceitful and dishonest propaganda and indoctrination pretending to be science. Pic related.
>>519751324
>taught wrong about economics
You cannot teach economics right. It's a fake science used as plantation of the mind and to perpetuate money, banks and capitalism. Everything about it is fake because money itself is a (deliberately) fakeable proof of work and (deliberately) fakeable rationing system.
Imagine if units of measurement of length contracted continuously, asymptotically approaching 0 nm length. And trying to, with a straight face, argue that physics and engineering built on top of and using those units of measurement are science or scientific. Heh.
It's just propaganda, indoctrination and mind control pretending to be science.
>taught wrong about economics
You cannot teach economics right. It's a fake science used as plantation of the mind and to perpetuate money, banks and capitalism. Everything about it is fake because money itself is a (deliberately) fakeable proof of work and (deliberately) fakeable rationing system.
Imagine if units of measurement of length contracted continuously, asymptotically approaching 0 nm length. And trying to, with a straight face, argue that physics and engineering built on top of and using those units of measurement are science or scientific. Heh.
It's just propaganda, indoctrination and mind control pretending to be science.
GeeDeePee mentioned.
>>519647920
>>519648747
>>519638482
Let me explain it like you're 12 yo.
We produce rockets and shells that are destroyed in a month. NOT SOLD. Destroyed. WOHOOO GDP TO THE MOON!!!!!!!!!!!!
At least if you build infrastructure, you can use it later.
Hitler built the autobahn, for example
>>519648747
>>519638482
Let me explain it like you're 12 yo.
We produce rockets and shells that are destroyed in a month. NOT SOLD. Destroyed. WOHOOO GDP TO THE MOON!!!!!!!!!!!!
At least if you build infrastructure, you can use it later.
Hitler built the autobahn, for example
>>519491670
>communism has nothing to do foreign trade.
Yes it does. You simply haven't thought about it enough.
If a communist country allows foreigners to come in and buy stuff (real estate, means of production, goods & commodities) without ownership restrictions or output quotas for the domestic market, you'll see foreigners become owners of domestic means of production or simply price out the natives from buying the fruits of their own labour (Irish potato famine). Or they can cause domestic industries to wither on the vine if the communist country can simply import superior and/or cheaper products than what it can make itself, at least presently (think Soviet computer industry).
If you allow international trade, you allow foreigners to outbid your own population for what they produce. Or you can cause domestic production of certain goods or commodities to collapse if they're not able to compete with imports. If your communist country's fiat currency is weaker than the fiat currencies of capitalist countries you invite capitalists to come over and outbid your population for the fruits of their own labour or real estate or means of production. If your communist country's fiat currency is stronger than that of other countries, your communist country might be inclined to import things rather than learn and strive to become able to produce competitive alternatives domestically/internally. So might deindustrialize or never industrialize. If you borrow from capitalists, they might demand your factories or land or real estate as loan guarrantees.
>It's about workers owning the means of production, the fact that capitalist countries block trade with them should tell you enough.
Simplistic point of view.
>The economic elites are extremely scared of communism
No. They have the minds of the masses on lockdown with their cradle to grave propaganda and indoctrination system and most people are, as I said, nearly animals in their cognition and cogitation. Maybe sentience too.
>communism has nothing to do foreign trade.
Yes it does. You simply haven't thought about it enough.
If a communist country allows foreigners to come in and buy stuff (real estate, means of production, goods & commodities) without ownership restrictions or output quotas for the domestic market, you'll see foreigners become owners of domestic means of production or simply price out the natives from buying the fruits of their own labour (Irish potato famine). Or they can cause domestic industries to wither on the vine if the communist country can simply import superior and/or cheaper products than what it can make itself, at least presently (think Soviet computer industry).
If you allow international trade, you allow foreigners to outbid your own population for what they produce. Or you can cause domestic production of certain goods or commodities to collapse if they're not able to compete with imports. If your communist country's fiat currency is weaker than the fiat currencies of capitalist countries you invite capitalists to come over and outbid your population for the fruits of their own labour or real estate or means of production. If your communist country's fiat currency is stronger than that of other countries, your communist country might be inclined to import things rather than learn and strive to become able to produce competitive alternatives domestically/internally. So might deindustrialize or never industrialize. If you borrow from capitalists, they might demand your factories or land or real estate as loan guarrantees.
>It's about workers owning the means of production, the fact that capitalist countries block trade with them should tell you enough.
Simplistic point of view.
>The economic elites are extremely scared of communism
No. They have the minds of the masses on lockdown with their cradle to grave propaganda and indoctrination system and most people are, as I said, nearly animals in their cognition and cogitation. Maybe sentience too.
>>519484655
Non-rich people don't support communism because it is necessarily autarchic and/or requires the nation to be capable of and willing to be/remain or at least strive to become autarchic. Which means that communist countries, if they are to last in their communism, need to live within their means. Unlike capitalist countries which can simply import that which they can't or don't want to make themselves or no longer can or want to make themselves
This requirement, both at the national and at the individual level that the entire population of a communist country live within their means, their actual real means of real production of real tangible things in the real world, is why people hate communism. Because most people are stupid and lazy and don't want to live within their means. They all dream of easy passive/unearned income. They all want to "have their money work for them" or want to borrow money from a bank to buy or build a residential building to then rent and live off of the rent stream. Capitalism is very seductive because, at least in the short to medium term, it allows individuals, and even nations, to live beyond or far beyond their means, at least for a while. And people, most of whom are greedy, lazy, stupid and shortsighted almost animals, naturally find this very enticing and alluring. Capitalism is necessarily globalist and becomes globalist. Capitalism is globalism.
Imagine if, for some hypothetical unimportant reason, the jewnited kikedom, for example, could no longer import GPUs or CPU from Taiwan. They'd have to design and build their own CPUs and GPUs internally. Which means that they'd need to build their own chip foundries. Which means they'd need to import their lithography machines and various other equipment a chip foundry needs. What if they could no longer import those either? You see how quickly and far living standards can fall when individuals and nations are forced to earn their standard of living and live within their means?
Non-rich people don't support communism because it is necessarily autarchic and/or requires the nation to be capable of and willing to be/remain or at least strive to become autarchic. Which means that communist countries, if they are to last in their communism, need to live within their means. Unlike capitalist countries which can simply import that which they can't or don't want to make themselves or no longer can or want to make themselves
This requirement, both at the national and at the individual level that the entire population of a communist country live within their means, their actual real means of real production of real tangible things in the real world, is why people hate communism. Because most people are stupid and lazy and don't want to live within their means. They all dream of easy passive/unearned income. They all want to "have their money work for them" or want to borrow money from a bank to buy or build a residential building to then rent and live off of the rent stream. Capitalism is very seductive because, at least in the short to medium term, it allows individuals, and even nations, to live beyond or far beyond their means, at least for a while. And people, most of whom are greedy, lazy, stupid and shortsighted almost animals, naturally find this very enticing and alluring. Capitalism is necessarily globalist and becomes globalist. Capitalism is globalism.
Imagine if, for some hypothetical unimportant reason, the jewnited kikedom, for example, could no longer import GPUs or CPU from Taiwan. They'd have to design and build their own CPUs and GPUs internally. Which means that they'd need to build their own chip foundries. Which means they'd need to import their lithography machines and various other equipment a chip foundry needs. What if they could no longer import those either? You see how quickly and far living standards can fall when individuals and nations are forced to earn their standard of living and live within their means?
>>519372805
>Also piggers largest remaining coal mine is near pokrovsk, if they take pokrovsk the mine is lost, and so is theri steel production.
Yeah but
>Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency units moving around is what an economy is.
so they don't really need it and might actually be holding their economy back.
>Also piggers largest remaining coal mine is near pokrovsk, if they take pokrovsk the mine is lost, and so is theri steel production.
Yeah but
>Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency units moving around is what an economy is.
so they don't really need it and might actually be holding their economy back.
>>519357825
>You understand that this isn't due to capitalism, right? It's not as if feudal lords 800 years ago didn't do the same
Heh. There's one of you seething simpletons in every bred.
>You understand that this isn't due to capitalism, right? It's not as if feudal lords 800 years ago didn't do the same
Heh. There's one of you seething simpletons in every bred.
>>519090313
>>519090618
Streaming isn't a job.
>>519094112
GUYS THE GDP IS GOING UP :OOOOOO
WAITERS ARE GIVING A STREAMER THEIR MONEY THEN HE BUYS FOOD AND BUYS A XQC SUB HOLY SHIT WE ARE ALL GONNA BE RICH!!!!11!!
>>519090618
Streaming isn't a job.
>>519094112
GUYS THE GDP IS GOING UP :OOOOOO
WAITERS ARE GIVING A STREAMER THEIR MONEY THEN HE BUYS FOOD AND BUYS A XQC SUB HOLY SHIT WE ARE ALL GONNA BE RICH!!!!11!!
>>518949787
They're completely deluded. They have no idea how capitalism works or what it's about. They think capitalism is about making or doing real things, kek.
They're completely deluded. They have no idea how capitalism works or what it's about. They think capitalism is about making or doing real things, kek.
>>518856418
>maan capitalism is really the snake that devours itself.
What do you mean? Do you have something against GDP growth? Are you some gommie or something?
>maan capitalism is really the snake that devours itself.
What do you mean? Do you have something against GDP growth? Are you some gommie or something?
>>518620026
>To respond to your point overall,
>I'd say that total reindustrialisation and reshoring is a pipe dream.
Under capitalism, I agree.
>rebuilding not just the hardware but also the education and practice of steel and machine tools, dies, forges, moulds from tip to toe so that at least the machines that make machines that make stuff can be made in the US instead of the shameful reality today.
Would require massive, sustained national effort and moving past capitalism
>The basic stuff is cheaper to import as well. That's the problem. Almost everything is cheaper to import. Including the stuff needed to make the cheap stuff or continue making it once the currently available means of production or means of transportation or means of communication need maintenance which requires spare parts or replacement of entire subassemblies or the entire means of production or transportation.
Moreover, means of production or means of transportation made by US corporations are intentionally and deliberately made impossible to repair cheaply or by independent repair shops.
>To that end, sure, it doesn't matter from a real sense if there's corruption in claiming tax credits (source subsidies) or corruption in claiming consumer rebates (destination subsidies) - I concede that point.
Not sure what you're talking about or referring to here.
>brute force the renovationof US steel and the rebuilding of tooling in theUS.
It can't be done under capitalism and they don't have political will to move beyond capitalism.
>its not going to be easy but that's where a sane leader of a country would start.
No, they'll try anything and everything else before they give up capitalism.
>the US has Trump who is trying to cowboy his way through the kind of renewal that needs a savant 30 years younger and a country far less divided.
>Becoming self-sufficient in food
Can't be self sufficient in just one thing.
>ridiculous wasteful shit that the US spends so much money on
Fiat currency isn't wealth
>To respond to your point overall,
>I'd say that total reindustrialisation and reshoring is a pipe dream.
Under capitalism, I agree.
>rebuilding not just the hardware but also the education and practice of steel and machine tools, dies, forges, moulds from tip to toe so that at least the machines that make machines that make stuff can be made in the US instead of the shameful reality today.
Would require massive, sustained national effort and moving past capitalism
>The basic stuff is cheaper to import as well. That's the problem. Almost everything is cheaper to import. Including the stuff needed to make the cheap stuff or continue making it once the currently available means of production or means of transportation or means of communication need maintenance which requires spare parts or replacement of entire subassemblies or the entire means of production or transportation.
Moreover, means of production or means of transportation made by US corporations are intentionally and deliberately made impossible to repair cheaply or by independent repair shops.
>To that end, sure, it doesn't matter from a real sense if there's corruption in claiming tax credits (source subsidies) or corruption in claiming consumer rebates (destination subsidies) - I concede that point.
Not sure what you're talking about or referring to here.
>brute force the renovationof US steel and the rebuilding of tooling in theUS.
It can't be done under capitalism and they don't have political will to move beyond capitalism.
>its not going to be easy but that's where a sane leader of a country would start.
No, they'll try anything and everything else before they give up capitalism.
>the US has Trump who is trying to cowboy his way through the kind of renewal that needs a savant 30 years younger and a country far less divided.
>Becoming self-sufficient in food
Can't be self sufficient in just one thing.
>ridiculous wasteful shit that the US spends so much money on
Fiat currency isn't wealth
>>518607745
>For starters, we're in the twilight zone for sure who even knows what's going to happen? Imo going to be a lot less demand for pool loungers and decorative panelling but there's a lot of stuff that has inflexible demand and the government could just *heh* subsidise those things as long as they are made in the US.
The problem is the logistical chains and the means of production base necessary to produce essential goods, energy, food.
If you want to produce beef, you don't just need cows. You need agricultural and farming equipment. You need slaughterhouse equipment. You need trucks. You need refrigerators. You need refrigerant. You need chemical fuels. You need electricity and internet. Sure, the US already has all of those things but they'll inevitably require replacement or replacement parts for maintenance. How will the US obtain those parts if not from imports? How much will those parts cost? Will beef even be affordable to the average Amerilard once all of the inputs involved in domestically produced beef have to be produced domestically (so will cost much more than before/without the tariffs) as well?
>They'll have to figure out how those aren't totally gamed but its possible even though inefficient.
Real production of real things in the real world is NEVER inefficient. Production is never inefficient or less or more efficient except with respect to the real inputs required. Less efficient if it requires more energy, more raw material, has a higher failure rate. But forget money. Inefficiency in terms of price/cost in (mostly fictional) fiat currency is just a jewish lie to justify capitalism and the deindustrialisation it causes.
>the US drawing a line and declaring that food would and should always be cheap. If the US can turn its back on free trade, I don't think it's impossible to see unabashed public subsidy for necessities.
You cannot print the things to spend fiat currency on like you can fiat currency. Or the industry to make those things.
>For starters, we're in the twilight zone for sure who even knows what's going to happen? Imo going to be a lot less demand for pool loungers and decorative panelling but there's a lot of stuff that has inflexible demand and the government could just *heh* subsidise those things as long as they are made in the US.
The problem is the logistical chains and the means of production base necessary to produce essential goods, energy, food.
If you want to produce beef, you don't just need cows. You need agricultural and farming equipment. You need slaughterhouse equipment. You need trucks. You need refrigerators. You need refrigerant. You need chemical fuels. You need electricity and internet. Sure, the US already has all of those things but they'll inevitably require replacement or replacement parts for maintenance. How will the US obtain those parts if not from imports? How much will those parts cost? Will beef even be affordable to the average Amerilard once all of the inputs involved in domestically produced beef have to be produced domestically (so will cost much more than before/without the tariffs) as well?
>They'll have to figure out how those aren't totally gamed but its possible even though inefficient.
Real production of real things in the real world is NEVER inefficient. Production is never inefficient or less or more efficient except with respect to the real inputs required. Less efficient if it requires more energy, more raw material, has a higher failure rate. But forget money. Inefficiency in terms of price/cost in (mostly fictional) fiat currency is just a jewish lie to justify capitalism and the deindustrialisation it causes.
>the US drawing a line and declaring that food would and should always be cheap. If the US can turn its back on free trade, I don't think it's impossible to see unabashed public subsidy for necessities.
You cannot print the things to spend fiat currency on like you can fiat currency. Or the industry to make those things.
>>516662326
They will do an will try or attempt anything and everything before the give up gapidalism.
jewish psyops are a helluva drug.
They will do an will try or attempt anything and everything before the give up gapidalism.
jewish psyops are a helluva drug.
>Why did Dennis Ritchie invent the C programming language? Why did Richard Stallman make the GNU utilities? Why did Linus Torvalds make Linux?
>so underwhelming egirls can monetize attention so they can sleep around with no personal responsibility
Wow computers, very cool! This is a very sustainable economic model. At least the GDP went up!
>so underwhelming egirls can monetize attention so they can sleep around with no personal responsibility
Wow computers, very cool! This is a very sustainable economic model. At least the GDP went up!
>>514863968
>The only really remarkable thing about this system is that it's allowed to continue.
The only way for it not to continue would be for money, banks and capitalism (for financial profit operated economy) to be abolished.
>The only really remarkable thing about this system is that it's allowed to continue.
The only way for it not to continue would be for money, banks and capitalism (for financial profit operated economy) to be abolished.
>>513743259
GDP = amount of money transacted in a year.
If things cost more this year than 5 years ago, GDP grows. Even if you only get as much or even less real stuff despite spending more.
Scarcity, poverty, inflation help grow GDP.
The jews managed to brainwash everyone in society that GDP = economic activity by pretending that how much you pay for something is how much you get or that inflation isn't a thing or never mentioning inflation or pretending that the GDP is inflation adjust (isn't really) or that official inflation figure is real (isn't really, inflation is much worse) or even that inflation is wealth creation or value addition (situationally, they pretend price is value if expedient in the moment for their current lying propaganda point). Middlemen add value and create value according to (((economists))). KaeK.
Pic related but unironically.
GDP = amount of money transacted in a year.
If things cost more this year than 5 years ago, GDP grows. Even if you only get as much or even less real stuff despite spending more.
Scarcity, poverty, inflation help grow GDP.
The jews managed to brainwash everyone in society that GDP = economic activity by pretending that how much you pay for something is how much you get or that inflation isn't a thing or never mentioning inflation or pretending that the GDP is inflation adjust (isn't really) or that official inflation figure is real (isn't really, inflation is much worse) or even that inflation is wealth creation or value addition (situationally, they pretend price is value if expedient in the moment for their current lying propaganda point). Middlemen add value and create value according to (((economists))). KaeK.
Pic related but unironically.
>>513227847
>Surplus value is central and concrete. The concept of surplus value isn't abstract; it's the core mechanism of capitalist exploitation. It's the difference between the value workers create and their wages (e.g., a $500 widget vs. $50 wage).
It seems you think of value as money or as price or as quantifiable in money.
Wrong. Value is all of the possibly desirable uses of something. Not just the currently known desirable uses or those uses desirable to someone or someone else.
>The profit motive and money system drive destruction.
Yes. This we agree on.
>The profit motive and the money system are inseparable destructive forces under capitalism.
Yes. The monetary system exist to enable for financial-profit operation of the economy.
>The profit motive fuels short-term extraction (e.g., closing factories for quarterly gains), while money functioning as capital
The "capital" weasel word again.
Money is:
1. A rationing system.
2. A control system.
3. A fakeable proof-of-work system.
>demands perpetual growth
Of the money supply. Not the actual real economy.
>This creates a "cargo cult" economy prioritizing symbolic wealth (stocks, derivatives) over real production, resulting in decades of de-industrialisation that cripples tangible capacity (e.g., war production).
Yes.
>the state can directly mobilize resources for production needs, avoiding the profit-driven blockages and shortages seen in Western capitalism (e.g., Lockheed Martin's constraints).
The state does this by borrowing money from private banks, accelerating money creation and inflation.
>Systemic change is necessary.
Yes. Moving past money altogether.
>The path forward requires dismantling the capitalist profit-money system itself to create a society where production serves human needs.
That requires moving past money.
>Surplus value is central and concrete. The concept of surplus value isn't abstract; it's the core mechanism of capitalist exploitation. It's the difference between the value workers create and their wages (e.g., a $500 widget vs. $50 wage).
It seems you think of value as money or as price or as quantifiable in money.
Wrong. Value is all of the possibly desirable uses of something. Not just the currently known desirable uses or those uses desirable to someone or someone else.
>The profit motive and money system drive destruction.
Yes. This we agree on.
>The profit motive and the money system are inseparable destructive forces under capitalism.
Yes. The monetary system exist to enable for financial-profit operation of the economy.
>The profit motive fuels short-term extraction (e.g., closing factories for quarterly gains), while money functioning as capital
The "capital" weasel word again.
Money is:
1. A rationing system.
2. A control system.
3. A fakeable proof-of-work system.
>demands perpetual growth
Of the money supply. Not the actual real economy.
>This creates a "cargo cult" economy prioritizing symbolic wealth (stocks, derivatives) over real production, resulting in decades of de-industrialisation that cripples tangible capacity (e.g., war production).
Yes.
>the state can directly mobilize resources for production needs, avoiding the profit-driven blockages and shortages seen in Western capitalism (e.g., Lockheed Martin's constraints).
The state does this by borrowing money from private banks, accelerating money creation and inflation.
>Systemic change is necessary.
Yes. Moving past money altogether.
>The path forward requires dismantling the capitalist profit-money system itself to create a society where production serves human needs.
That requires moving past money.
>>513226143
>Thus, from a realist Marxist perspective, the West’s failure to sustain a meaningful intervention in Ukraine is rooted in capitalist decline:
Yes, capitalism destroys the real economy. The economy of making real things, doing real things, in the real world, inside one's borders.
>shrinking surplus value,
Again with the weasel words and unnecessary abstraction.
>an over‑reliance on corporate profit motives,
Now we're talking. The profit motive is the scourge of capitalism but is not its only systemic problem. The requirement for money to perform real economic activity is another massive problem. Probably bigger than the requirement for financial profitability, or at least the requirement for the reasonable expectation of financial profitability.
>and a weakening domestic base that cannot support a long‑term war.
The weak domestic industrial base has been shrinking/weakening for possibly 60 years at this point. Capitalism is a cargocult.
>Russia’s relative success is derived not from any inherent moral superiority but from a defence industry that is public‑owned, centrally planned, and divorced from the profit‑seeking imperative of capitalist capitalism.
Yes, to the extent that that is possible in a capitalist society such as today's Russia.
>This analysis reveals that the war is a manifestation of the contradictions inherent in capitalism
Yes, if the esteemed western partners weren't jewish cargocultists the war would have never happened. And neither would have the 60 to 70 years of deindustrialisation.
>where the pursuit of profit over people
Over anything, really. Even their own medium to long term interests.
>leads to a misalignment of interests, ultimately causing the West to miss the mark.
The only way for the West to heal from judaism is to move past money, banks and capitalism. Or go extinct at the hands of the jews. This is the choice before HumanityȘ Continue tonguing jew anus all the way to extinction or move past money, banks and capitalism.
>Thus, from a realist Marxist perspective, the West’s failure to sustain a meaningful intervention in Ukraine is rooted in capitalist decline:
Yes, capitalism destroys the real economy. The economy of making real things, doing real things, in the real world, inside one's borders.
>shrinking surplus value,
Again with the weasel words and unnecessary abstraction.
>an over‑reliance on corporate profit motives,
Now we're talking. The profit motive is the scourge of capitalism but is not its only systemic problem. The requirement for money to perform real economic activity is another massive problem. Probably bigger than the requirement for financial profitability, or at least the requirement for the reasonable expectation of financial profitability.
>and a weakening domestic base that cannot support a long‑term war.
The weak domestic industrial base has been shrinking/weakening for possibly 60 years at this point. Capitalism is a cargocult.
>Russia’s relative success is derived not from any inherent moral superiority but from a defence industry that is public‑owned, centrally planned, and divorced from the profit‑seeking imperative of capitalist capitalism.
Yes, to the extent that that is possible in a capitalist society such as today's Russia.
>This analysis reveals that the war is a manifestation of the contradictions inherent in capitalism
Yes, if the esteemed western partners weren't jewish cargocultists the war would have never happened. And neither would have the 60 to 70 years of deindustrialisation.
>where the pursuit of profit over people
Over anything, really. Even their own medium to long term interests.
>leads to a misalignment of interests, ultimately causing the West to miss the mark.
The only way for the West to heal from judaism is to move past money, banks and capitalism. Or go extinct at the hands of the jews. This is the choice before HumanityȘ Continue tonguing jew anus all the way to extinction or move past money, banks and capitalism.
>>512786128
GeeDeePee go BRRRRRRR!
GeeDeePee go BRRRRRRR!
>>512706220
Absolutely seething. Heh.
Absolutely seething. Heh.
>>512552495
>retard there's more to gdp than "muh fiction",
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency being moved around is what an economy is.
>look up the construction industry in the united states, faggot.
The more things cost me, the more I must be getting for the same money.
The more expensive things are for me, the more prosperous it must mean I am.
>Literally invariably wealth is used to create more wealth
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency is wealth.
Muh inflation/currency debasement is wealth creation.
>exactly like chickens and rabbits
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency is chickens and rabbits.
>which is why the suppy of wealth leades to inflation.
I literally could not make up such idiocy. LMFAO.
Now this is the entertainment I shitpost on /pol/ for.
>This has been recorded for millennia before kikes, and yes, inflation from fraudulent currency exists but to disregard the wealth creation that both China and the Industrial Revolution created is retarded.
Muh increase in supply of things on which to spend money increases prices.
That's how this moron thinks the law of supply and demand works.
LMFAO.
Too bad I have to go to work now. So much lulz could have been had.
Fucking bossman making me work on my day off.
>retard there's more to gdp than "muh fiction",
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency being moved around is what an economy is.
>look up the construction industry in the united states, faggot.
The more things cost me, the more I must be getting for the same money.
The more expensive things are for me, the more prosperous it must mean I am.
>Literally invariably wealth is used to create more wealth
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency is wealth.
Muh inflation/currency debasement is wealth creation.
>exactly like chickens and rabbits
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency is chickens and rabbits.
>which is why the suppy of wealth leades to inflation.
I literally could not make up such idiocy. LMFAO.
Now this is the entertainment I shitpost on /pol/ for.
>This has been recorded for millennia before kikes, and yes, inflation from fraudulent currency exists but to disregard the wealth creation that both China and the Industrial Revolution created is retarded.
Muh increase in supply of things on which to spend money increases prices.
That's how this moron thinks the law of supply and demand works.
LMFAO.
Too bad I have to go to work now. So much lulz could have been had.
Fucking bossman making me work on my day off.
>>512373944
Here you go.
Here you go.
>>512304343
>They actually think that (((banking))) is how you create value.
They're cargocultists. They believe the following:
1. (Mostly fictional) fiat currency is wealth.
2. Inflation is wealth creation.
3. (Mostly fictional) fiat currency transacted around is what an economy is.
4. Things costing more for them means they're more prosperious.
5. As long as you have (mostly fictional) fiat currency, it doesn't matter if you don't have anything to spend it on.
6. Negative trade balances are indefinitely sustainable.
7. Making or doing real things, in the real world, is le bad. Just swipe the card to import everything.
8. Deindustrialisation is le good.
Etc.
They are a cargocult.
>They actually think that (((banking))) is how you create value.
They're cargocultists. They believe the following:
1. (Mostly fictional) fiat currency is wealth.
2. Inflation is wealth creation.
3. (Mostly fictional) fiat currency transacted around is what an economy is.
4. Things costing more for them means they're more prosperious.
5. As long as you have (mostly fictional) fiat currency, it doesn't matter if you don't have anything to spend it on.
6. Negative trade balances are indefinitely sustainable.
7. Making or doing real things, in the real world, is le bad. Just swipe the card to import everything.
8. Deindustrialisation is le good.
Etc.
They are a cargocult.
>>511051497
>eventually people will start proposing solutions to our real problems,
Heh. Like a Resource Based Economy?
>and these solutions will captivate our minds
Doubt.
>>511051583
>if we stop or limit the collection of economic rents, and divert resources towards making life comfy and nice for all americans and building infrastructure to promote industry, we will see a huge recovery
>and we will
You cannot do that for financial profit or compete on financial profitability with business plans which don't actually produce real things or which don't produce anything of good value/affordable or of a good quality and performance per money ratio. Because that is not maximisation of financial profit. Which is the only thing that matters to capitalism.
>eventually people will start proposing solutions to our real problems,
Heh. Like a Resource Based Economy?
>and these solutions will captivate our minds
Doubt.
>>511051583
>if we stop or limit the collection of economic rents, and divert resources towards making life comfy and nice for all americans and building infrastructure to promote industry, we will see a huge recovery
>and we will
You cannot do that for financial profit or compete on financial profitability with business plans which don't actually produce real things or which don't produce anything of good value/affordable or of a good quality and performance per money ratio. Because that is not maximisation of financial profit. Which is the only thing that matters to capitalism.