Overall I think Nintendo was a bad influence on Platinum, because they seemed to encourage their weakest aspect (gimmicky bullshit) while discouraging their strength (deep fun combat mechanics). Bayo 2 and 3 went harder on the spectacle but both lack refined gameplay of Bayo 1. I know some people swear by Wonderful 101, but I couldnt stand it because there's a fucking MINIGAME every other step you take. Hearing the NG4 director talking about how he wanted the variety in the game to feel more "natural" with the base gameplay such as the light stealth or platforming gives me hope.