/CWC/ - Club World Cup General: Collage Edition 2 - /sp/ (#149318843) [Archived: 808 hours ago]

Anonymous Brazil
6/20/2025, 10:11:45 PM No.149318843
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cwc25collage
md5: 1bdc0a0f37fc6629bfd7696e2a6b8d2d๐Ÿ”
Next matches:
LAFC - Espรฉrance
Bayern - Boca

Images wanted
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Anonymous United States
6/20/2025, 10:14:07 PM No.149318934
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>>149318843 (OP)
Anonymous Mexico
6/20/2025, 10:16:29 PM No.149319002
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md5: b37e99e84c51cce9228f1c171ef0df89๐Ÿ”
Anonymous Poland
6/20/2025, 10:18:41 PM No.149319072
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>>149318843 (OP)
Any chance to make it bigger? Some text is already hardly readable. Looking good so far btw, keep at it
Replies: >>149319447 >>149379950
Anonymous Argentina
6/20/2025, 10:19:41 PM No.149319108
MOST OF THE SHIT IN YOUR COLLAGE IS IMPOSSIBLE TO READ NIGGER
MAKE THE SMALL TEXT BIGGER
Replies: >>149319447
Anonymous Portugal
6/20/2025, 10:21:48 PM No.149319180
>>149318843 (OP)
In memoriam corner for Auckland, pls.

It's the least we can do for a team that will finish the group stage with at least a -20 GD.
Anonymous United States
6/20/2025, 10:25:26 PM No.149319306
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Replies: >>149319940 >>149322320 >>149322517
Anonymous Canada
6/20/2025, 10:28:43 PM No.149319417
Hello. I missed the first two matches but I am excited for the two remaining. Had lots of fun watching the psg match last night, so I am going to follow this tournament more closely.

Sincerely,
Anon
Anonymous Brazil
6/20/2025, 10:29:26 PM No.149319447
>>149319072
>>149319108
i already had to rescale it twice
idk if i can salvage whats already on it, sad!
Anonymous Portugal
6/20/2025, 10:35:06 PM No.149319593
IMG_5804
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md5: d96c8d57df83278369ced1e325958409๐Ÿ”
you forgot this
Replies: >>149379950
Anonymous Mexico
6/20/2025, 10:44:28 PM No.149319833
miamigol
miamigol
md5: c883426b22ded3b7e2f9fd85e5b218d0๐Ÿ”
Anonymous Saudi Arabia
6/20/2025, 10:47:08 PM No.149319907
bono save
bono save
md5: 98f613582843cf2e55826be45cad543d๐Ÿ”
>>149318843 (OP)
Anonymous United States
6/20/2025, 10:48:00 PM No.149319925
So LA is fucked right?
Anonymous Italy
6/20/2025, 10:48:42 PM No.149319940
>>149319306
SOVL
Anonymous Ecuador
6/20/2025, 10:55:05 PM No.149320068
media_GtqNuOxWAAAhUwY
media_GtqNuOxWAAAhUwY
md5: a26525543a79b391355440b67ac0195e๐Ÿ”
>>149318843 (OP)
For your consideration OP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uZRyQBPw9c
Replies: >>149320087
Anonymous Ecuador
6/20/2025, 10:56:18 PM No.149320087
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>>149320068
Replies: >>149320114
Anonymous Ecuador
6/20/2025, 10:57:20 PM No.149320114
RacismEndsNow
RacismEndsNow
md5: b82a61461c2248f127affa7bf00e9fee๐Ÿ”
>>149320087
Replies: >>149320181
Anonymous Ecuador
6/20/2025, 10:59:59 PM No.149320181
ConmebolWon
ConmebolWon
md5: f08a980c5735230269daa1e75e4cf434๐Ÿ”
>>149320114
Anonymous Brazil
6/20/2025, 11:05:12 PM No.149320289
>>149318843 (OP)
kino keep it up
Anonymous Colombia
6/20/2025, 11:15:43 PM No.149320499
Who are the good guys
Replies: >>149320538 >>149321127
Anonymous Argentina
6/20/2025, 11:16:43 PM No.149320512
estou
estou
md5: 3732464e594a5b5459f93a1bdbf82bf2๐Ÿ”
>>149318843 (OP)
Anonymous Brazil
6/20/2025, 11:17:54 PM No.149320538
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GdqtYG-XMAA_6IQ
md5: 898b0fff3f584f16255d2a7c53eaad93๐Ÿ”
>>149320499
buetafuego
Anonymous Argentina
6/20/2025, 11:23:10 PM No.149320630
IMG_20250617_204936
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md5: bf0cfe48925c2a5061391ebf3a4981b2๐Ÿ”
Somebody make the edit
Anonymous United Kingdom
6/20/2025, 11:24:29 PM No.149320658
who is the good guy between LAFC and esperance
Replies: >>149320684 >>149320932 >>149321001 >>149321021 >>149321047
Anonymous Canada
6/20/2025, 11:25:44 PM No.149320684
>>149320658
esperance have soul, thats about it
Anonymous Canada
6/20/2025, 11:29:15 PM No.149320742
I'm excited to watch more soccer kino. I can never understand why I dont watch this sport more often.
Anonymous Canada
6/20/2025, 11:30:35 PM No.149320763
Nice of the Canadian Wood Council to put on a soccer tournament.
Anonymous United Kingdom
6/20/2025, 11:32:22 PM No.149320795
today i am canadian
Anonymous Mexico
6/20/2025, 11:40:41 PM No.149320932
LAFCGTB
LAFCGTB
md5: 7cdb7ddcde9ba3923756801c688534b7๐Ÿ”
>>149320658
who do you think?
Replies: >>149320981
Anonymous Canada
6/20/2025, 11:43:30 PM No.149320976
I think we can safely call time on this so-called "european experiment"
Anonymous United Kingdom
6/20/2025, 11:43:46 PM No.149320981
>>149320932
grim
Anonymous Brazil
6/20/2025, 11:45:22 PM No.149321001
>>149320658
Espรฉrance obviously.
https://youtu.be/Q7SycSDuJE4?feature=shared
Anonymous Tunisia
6/20/2025, 11:47:10 PM No.149321021
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6285471b4a8a8796c9ba52e1a6c67411
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>>149320658
Root for us niggers
Anonymous Tunisia
6/20/2025, 11:48:40 PM No.149321045
We are literally the best fans besides with the latinx
Replies: >>149321071 >>149321081
Anonymous Mexico
6/20/2025, 11:48:41 PM No.149321047
>>149320658
>chicanos vs nafris
Anonymous Brazil
6/20/2025, 11:49:53 PM No.149321062
w0l0c0
w0l0c0
md5: 03162071d07b4645fbb3a3aeb434636a๐Ÿ”
south america chads rise up, we're in this together
Replies: >>149321091
Anonymous Mexico
6/20/2025, 11:50:31 PM No.149321071
>>149321045
the japs mogged river
Replies: >>149321125 >>149321320
Anonymous Canada
6/20/2025, 11:51:11 PM No.149321081
>>149321045
Nice
Anonymous Argentina
6/20/2025, 11:51:46 PM No.149321091
>>149321062
boca is an european team in spirit that's why their flag has the colors of Sweden desu
Anonymous Tunisia
6/20/2025, 11:54:13 PM No.149321125
>>149321071
We mogged flamerda
Replies: >>149321194
Anonymous Colombia
6/20/2025, 11:54:15 PM No.149321127
>>149320499
The sundowns
Anonymous Argentina
6/20/2025, 11:56:14 PM No.149321164
>>149318843 (OP)
maybe im blind but no botafogo official account posting goku?
Replies: >>149321477
Anonymous Brazil
6/20/2025, 11:58:13 PM No.149321194
>>149321125
based, you have my respect
Anonymous Argentina
6/20/2025, 11:59:29 PM No.149321212
hq720
hq720
md5: 2a9d6319fabd9b3e489c51f9cd8b40d5๐Ÿ”
Tic Toc, real madrid
Replies: >>149321419
Anonymous Argentina
6/21/2025, 12:05:31 AM No.149321320
>>149321071
all coreographed
>source: trust me bro
Replies: >>149321419
Anonymous Mexico
6/21/2025, 12:11:44 AM No.149321419
hq720 (1)
hq720 (1)
md5: b93b01f9a5b6064ab3c2bf99fc76016a๐Ÿ”
>>149321212
The moment the referee blew the final whistle, it became the worst Pachuca since Santa Anna sold half of the territory

>>149321320
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/vZNcJG4vuoc
Anonymous Brazil
6/21/2025, 12:15:49 AM No.149321477
>>149321164
One of botafogo tweets yesterday also got 300k likes which i think was the biggest a brazilian club ever got
Anonymous Honduras
6/21/2025, 12:16:42 AM No.149321494
Hincha: ya estรก, el hincha de Boca te pide que te vayas, tomate el palo Riquelme...

Colorada: no nada que ver, nada que ver, no nada que ver, se gana y se pierde pero a Boca se lo alienta siempre, aguante Juan Roman Riquelme, acรก el problema son los hinchas que en vez de alentar...

Hincha #2: andate a la mierda Romรกn, andate a la mierda Negro De Mierda

Colorada: Negro?!!! ven, eso es, la gente que putea a Roman, es la que es capaz de decirle Negro De Mierda a alguien, aguante Boca hay que alentar a Boca siempre y a los que les parece que es un insulto decirle Negro a Roman les digo aguante Riquelme!!!
Anonymous United States
6/21/2025, 12:27:20 AM No.149321673
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md5: ae01e7495b4983a32be09f4ef5d56c89๐Ÿ”
Anonymous Germany
6/21/2025, 12:39:57 AM No.149321865
>>149318843 (OP)
how did my Auckland will pay for this make it xD
Anonymous United States
6/21/2025, 1:11:38 AM No.149322320
>>149319306
What game? Looks like Monterrey fans
Replies: >>149322494
Anonymous United States
6/21/2025, 1:22:02 AM No.149322494
>>149322320
psg vs botafogo
Anonymous Brazil
6/21/2025, 1:23:41 AM No.149322517
>>149319306
kwab
Anonymous Denmark
6/21/2025, 2:23:41 AM No.149323472
we do NOT care
Anonymous Switzerland
6/21/2025, 2:28:42 AM No.149323539
Yoooo my Ruben Neves basedjak made it there!
Anonymous Netherlands
6/21/2025, 2:31:35 AM No.149323578
1339795539596
1339795539596
md5: e54a68308c3225bb8394c18a6391e672๐Ÿ”
what about some quality memes though
Anonymous Brazil
6/21/2025, 5:08:08 AM No.149328307
bra
bra
md5: 724e6e49eb7fcf17075b56ab6fed34a5๐Ÿ”
> CWC may go from 32 to 48 clubs in 2029
> La Liga and others are begging FIFA to remove country limit
> Brazil wants to host 2029

There is a really high chance of us having 7 or 8 teams in the next CWC
Replies: >>149328349 >>149328498 >>149354539 >>149356215
Anonymous Brazil
6/21/2025, 5:08:49 AM No.149328330
cwc25collage
cwc25collage
md5: 93ccfc74ac7ae78a46a853f8328451de๐Ÿ”
>>149318843 (OP)
da update
Replies: >>149328411 >>149328423 >>149328589
Anonymous Brazil
6/21/2025, 5:09:50 AM No.149328349
>>149328307
Just invite g12 already
Replies: >>149328589
Anonymous Argentina
6/21/2025, 5:13:02 AM No.149328411
>>149328330
could you at least increase the size of the image before adding shit? Its blurry as SHIT
Replies: >>149328557 >>149328614
Anonymous United States
6/21/2025, 5:13:46 AM No.149328423
>>149328330
Serious lack of Bayern milkers
Anonymous United States
6/21/2025, 5:17:11 AM No.149328498
>>149328307
Every 4 years is way too long, they should make it every 2. Infantino has a golden opportunity, he better not fuck this up
Anonymous Brazil
6/21/2025, 5:20:03 AM No.149328557
>>149328411
i've increased the image size twice already
Anonymous Brazil
6/21/2025, 5:21:21 AM No.149328589
>>149328349
>G12
BBBasco and others don't deserve it. Remove them and add Fortaleza, Bahia, etc., for maximum kinography

>>149328330
No offense anon, thank you for your work, but the other anon is right, I can barely read some of this stuff
Replies: >>149328614
Anonymous Mexico
6/21/2025, 5:23:14 AM No.149328614
>>149328411
>>149328589
I opened it in another tab and it looks better
Replies: >>149328635
Anonymous Argentina
6/21/2025, 5:24:21 AM No.149328635
>>149328614
Even after opening it in another tab and zooming in, and then zooming again with the mouse wheel, it's still blurry as shit
Replies: >>149332974
Anonymous United States
6/21/2025, 5:37:19 AM No.149328800
You can't really host this tournament anyone else
You'd get 2k for most games and wouldn't have any 100k games to make up for it
Anonymous Brazil
6/21/2025, 5:43:50 AM No.149328880
What if the worst Boca in history played against the worst Porto in history?
Anonymous Switzerland
6/21/2025, 1:25:51 PM No.149332974
>>149328635
He has to simply increase the canvas size of the image and add images in higher res, keeping a low canvas size and instead resizing shit down will make it unreadable.
Anonymous Argentina
6/21/2025, 7:13:54 PM No.149337913
>>149318843 (OP)
Can someone post the picture and webms of the south african negra with giant boobas?
Replies: >>149340182
Anonymous Mexico
6/21/2025, 8:37:47 PM No.149340023
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Anonymous Mexico
6/21/2025, 8:44:31 PM No.149340182
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md5: 7f59e30bfd5bbc9b0af1372456d590d5๐Ÿ”
>>149337913
This one?
Anonymous Mexico
6/21/2025, 11:01:15 PM No.149344269
1750539411350408
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Anonymous Japan
6/21/2025, 11:30:50 PM No.149345165
>>149318843 (OP)
Can somebody explain the "vs Club America" "vs Flamengo" part?
Replies: >>149346466
Anonymous Brazil
6/21/2025, 11:32:50 PM No.149345231
CONMEBOL vs UEFA
CONMEBOL vs UEFA
md5: 26dd143e11d6ba7cd3e5a0ba22b139a3๐Ÿ”
Anonymous United States
6/21/2025, 11:47:51 PM No.149345660
>despite a variety of stadium sizes, zero matches have sold out
>some matches drew less than 1000 spectators even with ticket prices falling to $23
I love this
Replies: >>149349836 >>149350161 >>149354504
Anonymous Brazil
6/22/2025, 12:14:43 AM No.149346466
>>149345165
chelsea made a post where they put america instead of flamengo as one of their group matches
Replies: >>149354504
Anonymous Mexico
6/22/2025, 2:23:07 AM No.149349805
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Anonymous United States
6/22/2025, 2:24:33 AM No.149349836
>>149345660
Would it actually have been different anywhere else?
Anonymous Mexico
6/22/2025, 2:29:15 AM No.149349922
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Anonymous Brazil
6/22/2025, 2:42:05 AM No.149350161
>>149345660
The CWC pilot in Brazil in Y2K had good attendances. The other editions, in the old format, would normally only fill the stadiums in the finals. Euros say attendance would be better if they hosted it, but I doubt that. Maybe for local clubs and the final, but in general they don't care. Not to mention a 32 teams tournament is bound to have a good few games that don't attract many people.
Replies: >>149350284
Anonymous United States
6/22/2025, 2:48:45 AM No.149350284
>>149350161
More than half of the games involved a Brazilian team though
The rest had 12k, 3k, 5k
Replies: >>149350522
Anonymous Brazil
6/22/2025, 2:59:38 AM No.149350522
>>149350284
True. I checked the figures and they're worse than I remembered. Still attendances are way better than I expected for this year's tournament. Memes aside, Euros really don't care and tickets are absurdly expensive. Or at least were before Infantino panicked.
Anonymous Japan
6/22/2025, 6:58:25 AM No.149354504
>>149346466
kek
>>149345660
If they had sold the tickets at that price from the beginning they might have filled the stadiums pretty well. It's a bit ridiculous they didn't do airplane style pricing where the early buyers get cheaper tickets to find what a reasonable price would be.
I don't know if they overestimated burger interest, overseas fans' levels of disposable, or just decided to take the loss on tickets to begin with.
Anonymous Argentina
6/22/2025, 7:03:40 AM No.149354535
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Anonymous Brazil
6/22/2025, 7:04:24 AM No.149354539
>>149328307
With this many maybe Mirassol will make it in.
Replies: >>149355361
Anonymous Brazil
6/22/2025, 8:39:49 AM No.149355361
>>149354539
Not impossible kek
Anonymous Romania
6/22/2025, 10:36:06 AM No.149356192
>River drew
Objectively worst result possible for Inter, now they must win their next match.
Replies: >>149357464
Anonymous Romania
6/22/2025, 10:38:36 AM No.149356215
>>149328307
>La Liga and others are begging FIFA to remove country limit
Nah fuck this shit, this is one of the few good choices made by FIFA, not handing qualification on a platter to Barcelona. Win the Champions League next time faggots.
Replies: >>149357574
Anonymous Japan
6/22/2025, 12:49:40 PM No.149357464
>>149356192
The opposite actually. Because they drew 0-0, Inter goes through on any tie and River and Monterrey need specific results to get through.
The only way for Inter to be out is to lose as Monterrey wins on +2 goal difference with Urawa.
River on the other hand is out on a 0-0 if Monterrey wins.
Anonymous Japan
6/22/2025, 12:59:20 PM No.149357574
>>149356215
I know you have Barcelona but I have to give you the terrible news that there's basically no chance of Barcelona missing out on the next CWC, even without any changes.
The only reason they were left out this time was that they were in full crisis mode during these 4 years and missed playing UCL 2 times in that period. They've stabilized now, so there's almost no chance of Atleti outranking them again (meaning Atleti would be the one missing out going forward).
The only way to keep Barรงa out would be to remove all European slots or maximum per country slots, and hope that that manages to leave them out.
On the other hand, English teams like Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, ManCity etc. would all be competing for only 2 slots unless different clubs win the next 3 UCLs, so if any changes to qualification rules are made, it will be for them.
Replies: >>149357607 >>149360008
Anonymous Japan
6/22/2025, 1:03:00 PM No.149357607
>>149357574
>would be to remove all European slots or maximum per country slots
Sorry, I phrased this badly.
I meant "removing all extra slots", as in giving only 4 slots to European teams that win UCL (as is the case in most confederations); or alternatively reducing the 2-club per country cap to 1 club per country
Anonymous Mexico
6/22/2025, 4:26:49 PM No.149360008
>>149357574
The problem is not Barcelona being or not in the cup because we hate them, the problem is every popular team having an automatic access just for being them.
Replies: >>149366721
Anonymous United States
6/22/2025, 6:57:33 PM No.149361804
Is Mbappe playing today?
Anonymous Japan
6/22/2025, 10:43:47 PM No.149366721
>>149360008
No, no. I was replying to Twain. The problem for him was indeed Barcelona being there because he hates it.
Like I mentioned, Barcelona is going to be there just because it's bound to be one of the 12 best UEFA teams and 2 best Spanish teams in the near future. The problem for Infantino is finding out how to ensure that the popular teams elsewhere make it for sure (Liverpool, Arsenal, Tottenham, America, etc.). He definitely wants them in based on popularity but he'd like to keep it seeming fair rather than arbitrary like you mention.
Anonymous Brazil
6/23/2025, 3:27:09 AM No.149373580
Igor_Jesus
Igor_Jesus
md5: b07cac7f3094e9be25d603286e9f672f๐Ÿ”
Put this one.
Replies: >>149380531
Anonymous Brazil
6/23/2025, 5:47:18 AM No.149377137
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Anonymous Brazil
6/23/2025, 7:24:40 AM No.149378268
Igor - Jesus - 2025-06-22T213914.406
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Anonymous Brazil
6/23/2025, 12:23:43 PM No.149379950
>>149319072
>>149319593
Zamn
Anonymous Japan
6/23/2025, 1:46:59 PM No.149380531
Janitors accidentally (?) deleted a legitimate post when trying to delete spam >>149373580
Anonymous United States
6/23/2025, 1:58:06 PM No.149380605
IMG_3895
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md5: 488cb5aa91a16e1c5b2a16a2e322ed54๐Ÿ”
>>149318843 (OP)
Good morning lads, we're finally on the final week of the group stages! Thanks to the disgrace of Gijรณn we're forced to choose between what match to choose, so which one will you be watching? I'm personally going for Atlรฉti - Botafogo and Inter Miami - Palmeiras. Predictions?

>Seattle Sounders 0 - 4 PSG
>Atlรฉtico Madrid 2 - 3 Botafogo
>Porto 2 - 1 Al Ahly
>Inter Miami 1 - 3 Palmeiras
Replies: >>149381685
Anonymous Japan
6/23/2025, 4:38:04 PM No.149381685
>>149380605
I doubt there will be that many goals in the Botafogo match
Anonymous France
6/23/2025, 5:07:35 PM No.149381885
>>149318843 (OP)
Missing the ref finger wiggle at divitini
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Anonymous Brazil
6/23/2025, 5:39:04 PM No.149382172
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nips throwing trash in stadiums was pretty epic
Anonymous Brazil
6/23/2025, 7:51:37 PM No.149383524
>>149381885
a webm compilation of ref cams would be nice