>>149412865 (OP)I just realized a big reason why American teams have such generic names. They can't really narrow it down to a cool concept since they are representing the whole state or city.
>>149412865 (OP)>for no good reason>Red BullSponsorship is an excellent reason. Just ask Total Network Solutions FC.
Thank G-d I'm a union fan
>Paris, Arkansas
>Paris, Idaho
>Paris, Illinois
>Paris, Kentucky
>Paris, Maine
>Paris, Missouri
>Paris, New York
>Paris, Tennessee
>Paris, Texas
>Cabool, Missouri
>Algiers, Louisiana
>Algiers, Indiana
>Angola, Indiana
>Angola, New York
>Melbourne, Florida
>Melbourne, Kentucky
>Melbourne, Arkansas
>Vienna, Illinois
>Vienna, Indiana
>Vienna, Missouri
>Vienna, New York
>Vienna, Virginia
>Antwerp, New York
>Antwerp, Ohio
>Brazil, Indiana
>Toronto, Kansas
>Toronto, Ohio
>Shanghai, West Virginia
>Shanghai City, Illinois
>Copenhagen, New York
>Cairo, Illinois
>Cairo, West Virginia
>Cairo, Ohio
>Cairo, Georgia
>Cairo, New York
>Berlin, Connecticut
>Berlin, Georgia
>Berlin, New Hampshire
>Berlin, New York
>Berlin, Pennsylvania
>Berlin, Wisconsin
>Berlin, Vermont
>Bagdad, Arizona
>Bagdad, Florida
>Bagdad, Kentucky
they just love the copy&paste function
>>149413267Pennsylvania has a lot of German place names
>>149413025red bull should form a canadian club in red deer alberta
>>149412865 (OP)Pretty disgusting desu. Though it's completely insane to say that Red Bull is "copying European names for no good reason". Soulless corporate shit, fine.
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Atlético de Madrid is a shit.
Im now wondering about the etymology of other club names around the world. In rio, much like in london, the teams are usually named after neighbourhoods/boroughs (fluminense being an exception, regardless that name is a demonym for the people born in Rio anyway). Other states usually have their teams named after cities, then theres quirkier stuff like the big Alagoas teams all being three letter acronyms. Stuff like Corinthians is not the norm here at all
>>149412865 (OP)The United and City names are completely fine in my opinion. So are FC and SC. Sure, they aren't super creative, but they adhere to normal naming conventions of the English-speaking world and football in general. There's nothing wrong with them
And Red Bull hardly counts as "copied for no good reason", the reason is valid ... the system behind it is scummy as fuck
Sporting Kansas City is ... hmmm, bad already. So is Inter Miami. The only real travesty is Real Salt Lake.
The original names are pretty cool in my opinion. Union, Crew, Fire, even Revolution and Galaxy. Or NY Cosmos. The historic inheritance ones are also good. I am not quite sure about Dynamo being 100% original, it reminds me of various Eastern Bloc clubs. But they are all fine and unique and still feel less ... generic and corporate than most other franchise names. I get that they are tradition in the US, but I'm not sure whether "XY Bulldogs" or something completely works for football. These names feel a bit different to me, but maybe that's my bias speaking
It's good to have some national variety for sure. Blatant copies always suck. You likely won't find clubs named "Arminia", "Teutonia", "Germania", "Borussia", "Alemannia", "Eintracht" and so on outside of Germany and maybe our German neighbors. Not to mention our abbreviations like SpVgg, VfB, VfL, TuS, and so on. Every other country has similar features
>>149412865 (OP)>houston dynamo>originalwrong dynamo came from some eastern european team
>>149421676why call mls teams "united" if they're not formed by merging clubs from the same city?
>>149413267Wisconsin also has a Luxembourg, Wales, Denmark, and Norway.
>>149412865 (OP)US name their teams like Saturday morning cartoons which everyone laughed at for being a country of retarded manchildren so they tried to ape the European convention which just makes everyone laugh even more at these retarded full kit wanker tryhards. They just can’t win.
>>149412865 (OP)>for no good reason>RED BULLSounds like sponsorship which is a very good reason.
>>149412865 (OP)Dynamo is not original
Red Bull is not a copied European name, it's a tramp stamp
City is literally just city...
FC/SC are perfectly ok
United is dumb if you're not merging teams to create this "united" team
Real is absolutely stupid in a republic
Inter makes sense considering the club is specifically aimed at migrants and their descendants in Miami
>>149413267immigrants tended to name the towns they founded after the place they were from because it reminded them of home.
Euros have a hard time understanding that locals came up with their own town tames, because in the Old World the norm was for the king or local lord to name the town his peasants lived in and the peasants had no say.
>>149426150because it's cargo cult euroboo-ism.
>>149412865 (OP)Red Bull bought a team from the countryside of São Paulo from a town famous for making sausages.
They're second in the Brazilian Serie A now.
We have to stop Red Bull before it's too late.
>>149412865 (OP)I hate mls so fucking much
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>>149427815Old world cities were not random meaningless names that that sounded cool to the local noble, they're usually just named after some local geological feature or quite often "the fort", see pic and following:
>The Romans called Vienna Vindobona. This name comes from the Celtic word Vendunia and translates as forest stream. The Celts named Vienna after the river by which the first settlements were located.>The first part of the name (stock) means log in Swedish, although it may also be connected to an old German word (Stock) meaning fortification. The second part of the name (holm) means islet and is thought to refer to the islet Helgeandsholmen in central Stockholm.>from Danish København (“Copenhagen”), from Old Danish Køpmannæhafn (“Copenhagen”), literally meaning "merchants' port", from Old Norse Kaupmannahǫfn (“Copenhagen”), with the same meaning.You can see the same pattern in north america with english / european names
>Spring Field>Cedar Rapids>Clear Water>Bad Water>Detroit>Mont Réal (royal mount)>Bâton Rouge (red stick)And with amerindian names
>The most-accepted Chicago meaning is a word that comes from the Algonquin language: “shikaakwa,” meaning “striped skunk” or “onion.” According to early explorers, the lakes and streams around Chicago were full of wild onions, leeks, and ramps.>The name “Quebec” comes from the Algonquin word for “narrow passage” or “strait”. It was first used to describe the narrowing of the St. Lawrence River near what is now the City of Québec.
>>149412865 (OP)>Red Bull New York>No good reasonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m37G-06ibAU
No wonder Prince Harry moved to California, he probably thought it was in the UK.
>>149426150>>149427824That isn't even true for Manchester United.
European and South American teams copied names all the time, they just did it over 100 years ago. I don't here any seething over the Inter in Brazil.
Its kind of like how people make fun of Mormonism because its origin story is ridiculous when Islam's origin story is similar, Mormonism was just more recent.
>>149430420England fans sing a song about the idea that Jesus went on a vacation to Britain in his 20s but the idea that Jesus teleported to Rochester after his crucifixion is too wacky
>>149421016The name of french clubs can tell you when they were founded if you know the trick.
The oldest clubs are more often than not called "Football Club" with WW2 being the cutoff point.
Pre-war, football was not that popular and was kind of an elite sport (kind of like rugby in England). So not that many dedicated clubs were created for it, but a lot of more general clubs existed and eventually started their own football teams among other sports.
Hence the older, pre-war clubs being
>Le Havre Athletic Club (1894)>Racing Club de Lens (1906)>Angers Sporting Club de l'Ouest (1919)>Olympique de Marseille (1897)>Olympique Gymnaste Club de Nice (1908)>Association Sportive de Monaco (1924)>Stade Rennais (1901)There are some exceptions (FC Metz comes to mind) but you get the idea.
During WW2, the Vichy regime forced most sport club to stop their activities because the energy spent on competitive sports would be better spent on labour. That was the official rationale. It was also a way to attack certain workers unions that ran workers clubs too. The clubs that were maintained were the ones that were large and generalists, especially the ones that trained for olympic sports because dictators do like parading at the olympics.
After the war, a lot of clubs were gradually created and that's whe nyou start seeing more X Football Club names.
>Paris FC (1969)>Paris Saint Germain FC (1970)>Toulouse FC (1970)>Le Mans FC (1985)Because of that, you can find some football clubs (and some rugby clubs too) with some pretty wacky and seemingly unrelated names
>Voltigeurs Châteaubriant, football club named after "acrobats" because it used to be a gymnastics club>Aviron Bayonnais, rugby club named after rowing>Stade Athlétique Epinal, former track and field club>Association Sportive et Culturelle Biesheim, merget between a sport club and a cultural center because they needed each other's budget
>>149421676The City names are cringe but fine. The United names aren't, because none of them come from mergers between existing teams. The FC/SC names are also awful European copycat bullshit because none of those entities are clubs. If any of them were legitimate in their usage, they would be fine, but it's like calling your private equity firm "Public Works Charities." It's a lie designed to mask what they really are.
>>149431015>The FC/SC names are also awful European copycat bullshit because none of those entities are clubsYes, there are clubs. There is no definition for 'club' other than some kind of sports team. NFL calls teams clubs officially.
>it's like calling your private equity firm "Public Works Charities." It's a lie designed to mask what they really are.Are you under some kind of delusion that European soccer teams are all non-profit social clubs. I know Germany has the 50+1 rule, but that is the exception.
> The United names aren't, because none of them come from mergers between existing teamsNeither did Manchester United
>>149431088>Neither did Manchester UnitedThis is true. Newton Heath LYR simply rebranded, using the name of the more successful Sheffield United.
>>149431233Would /NHSG/-Newton Heath's Shit General do was well as /MUG/?
>>149431015Real Salt lake is the biggest shitpost I can think of
>>149431588its so cringe it loops back around to being based
>>149431588I don't get why people are offended
>Real Salt Lake>the Salt Lake is real
>>149431642It's offensive to the other salt lakes by implying they are fake
More seriously I bathed (dipped) in that thing and it's full of dead bird skeletons -I assume- because the salt prevents them from dissolving and there's no fish to eat them
>>149431679Just because this salt lake is real doesn't mean other salt lakes are fake.
Except the Dead Sea. The Dead Sea is trying too hard.
>>149431642how do they pronounce "Real"? english or spanish?
>>149422317It wasnt even the original name that Houston had, it was originally "1836" but spics got offended so they changed the name to Dynamo. From that point on I had no interest in following the team.
>>149432365They pronounce it like they're Mormons so it's "Reel"
>>149431532They should just do what the 49ers do and name themselves San Francisco even if they don't play there. The Earthquakes are just are just weakening their reach by naming themselves San Jose.
>>149430420Manchester United are so called United because there were four businessmen who united together to form the new club out of Newton Heath. They’re united in two ways
>>149412865 (OP)bro mlelsoy is so fucking sovlless, cant believe they did away with the cosmos and the wizards.
>>149434267I was about to object and say that naming a club 1836 when it is founded in 2000 or something is dumb, but we're not far away either. TSV 1860 München was founded in 1860, but they didn't play football until ~1900
>>149435491I learnt about Cosmos before hearing about any other American club, probably because I found it interesting that Beckenbauer ended his career there. I remember being very disappointed after finding out that Cosmos is not part of the MLS. NY Cosmos vs LA Galaxy could have been ... something
>>149421016Vasco is also an exception
The neighbourhood they're in was named after the team not the opposite
Also neighbourhood names were not at all settled when the teams were forming at the time. Although some names like Botafogo and Bangu did basically mean the limits of the current neighbourhood this isn't the case for every single one of them
Portuguesa-Rio also had the neighbourhood named after the club, curiously
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>>149435589I don't think the name 1836 was particularly good, but it was a lot better than just copying a European club. 1836 is when Texas gained independence from Mexico and the city of Houston was founded the same year.
>>149430420the Brazilian Inter has nothing to do with the European one. Internacional is just the Portuguese word for international. We even have an Inter that is older than Inter Milan.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associa%C3%A7%C3%A3o_Atl%C3%A9tica_Internacional_(Bebedouro)
>>149412865 (OP)ackshully dynamo is a popular team name in europe so houston dynamo belongs in the wrong column and i will never forgive the cuck that changed the columbus crew badge
>choices are this soulless shit, a league that plays in bingo halls with <1000 people, or watching another country's league
>>149412865 (OP)>Orlando City and St Louis City copied Manchester City because of the word city>Red Bull New York copied another Red Bull team ????Lmfao this image has to be bait
>>149435813Yes, now we understand that Inter Milan does not hold a monopoly on the term "international" and will stop seething about Miami using the name
>>149435690I wasnt sure about vasco desu, thanks
>>149430538Thats very interesting. The merger thing also happened a lot in Rio specifically, Botafogo and Flamengo being the biggest examples
>>149437212The weird thing about Inter Miami is that they chose to already begin with the clipped version of the name. It's an understandable choice but definitely something that feels a bit pretentious, even moreso given their official name isn't in the language of the country they're in.
>>149438323Flamengo isn't a merger at all. On the other hand, Vasco is, somehow. Their early history is a bit confusing.
>>149438398So Flamengo just added rowing to the name for funsies?
>>149412906Most states actually should have plenty of distinguishing attributes for a logo/name, owners and their marketing depts are just power tripping retards
>>149438433>>149438398Oh im regarded, regatas = leisure, not rowing keke
>>149412865 (OP)Yeah I agree, those knockoff European names are almost as outrageously gay as actual Europeans are. Like wtf is Real Salt Lake? Who is Fake Salt Lake?
>>149438464Real in Real Madrid's case means royal, that's why they have that crown. Not like that would make more sense for Real Salt Lake sonce the US is a republic tho
>>149438375>even moreso given their official name isn't in the language of the country they're in.Miami is majority spanish speaking
>>149438433>>149438455Flamengo was founded as a rowing club. Later a football department was created by players that left Fluminense after a dispute there. Some of these already rowed for Flamengo. But there was no merger here, as a separate Flamengo football club never existed
that said, curiously in 1906 apparently there was a Flamengo FC, but they would go extinct the same year and never be mentioned again.
That's different from Vasco and Botafogo. Botafogo were originally two clubs, the rowing club, established earlier, and the football club, established later. Making things more confusing, the rowing club actually played football in a friendly match even before the football club existed. Both clubs were closely connected for years and then merged in the 40s. Vasco was founded as a rowing club; I'm unsure if they created their football department before or after merging with a bunch of smaller football teams from the Portuguese diaspora.
>>149412865 (OP)do people call sporting instead of kansas city? isnt kansas city? all brazilian names have sport/sporting
>>149438637Think it's usually Sporting or Sporting KC
>>149438510The President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a prophet and a de-facto monarch
>>149412906It's usually generic because they want to be unoffensive as possible
>>149438666but does he CLAIM the title of king? did he grant a royal charter to Real Salt Lake?
>>149412865 (OP)Because americans bandwagon "european" clubs and think they're the shit. Our basketball league is also named something incredibly stupid just so it could have the acronym NBB to copy the NBA (brazilians bandwagon NBA teams), the team names are fine though.
> goalscorcer
> will move anywhere
> cheap (now)
> prem proven
why are no premier clubs in for Big Rom
>>149412865 (OP)Why is Houston Dynamo not a European Copycat name.
Hell George HW Bush who was from Houston and an American President got his start working with our secret police. Which itself is the origin of the Dynamo named clubs of Eastern Europe
>>149438885Dynamo is a popular team name in Eastern Europe teams (Dynamo Moscow, Dynamo Kyiv, Dynamo Dresden)
What triggers me is when they name themselves football clubs but are not clubs at all. I can go to Corinthians, São Paulo or Palmeiras, buy a membership and use their facilities. Can't do that with mls franchises.
>>149439257'Club' just means sports teams, NFL uses 'club' officially. So yes they are clubs
> I can go to Corinthians, São Paulo or Palmeiras, buy a membership and use their facilitiesWhat facilities exactly? Why is this so important that a distinction needs to be drawn based on it?
>>149441712No nigger. Club doesn't mean sports team.
Columbus Crew had such a kino crest
>>149413314We also have two Hanovers :)
>>149430420Both Islam’s and Mormonism’s origin stories are rightly mocked.
>>149441891It means a permanent sports teams with a formal organization that represents the organization itself, rather than a school/country.
This definition excludes national teams and university teams, but includes every pro European soccer team, every MLS team, every NFL team.
>>149447277You don't even know what words in your own language mean.
>>149448018Fall back, private Jimenez
>>149448117>hurr durr you're a soldier lmaoStop wasting your time and go learn your own fucking language
PSG is a shit........ Any team can beat the PSG.
BOTAFOGO > MANCHESTER CITY
GOAT IGOR JESUS FROM BOTAFOGO!
>>149430538RC Lens got its name from Racing Club de France, the most successful french football club at the time. RCF also inspired the name of Racing Club de Avellaneda in Argentina.
Le Mans FC got renamed that way fairly recently. It was named Le Mans Union Club before that (le MUC).
>>149439028Dynamo was the club of railroad workers in ex-URSS
You can find something similar in France with Gazélec: several clubs were funded by EDF-GDF workers like the Gazélec Ajaccio.
Gazélec => Gaz et Électricité de France aka the french energy company