How many pairs of underwear do you guys own? I have a weeks worth of boxer briefs but donโt feel like I have enough
Only 22 days until the Oilers have their new #1 goalie.
I am happy that the islanders did not hire Ken Holland after yesterday
>4.5M for 4 years of Cody Ceci
Why did Gary give up on tampa and go all in on the panthers?
>>149557956How big of a loser do you need to be to be able to post this at the beginning of every thread? Asking for a research paper.
>>149558105Have you ever considered that the Panthers front office is insanely good?
>>149558105brisbois is francophone
>>149558120thoughts on your victory over trb?
>>149558105Because Kucherov made a mockery of Gary's All-Star spectacle.
>>149558127at distributing peds?
yes i have consider that to be our reality
>>149558145>the P.E.D's are a reason why the Panthers are goodnew excuses for why the Leafs choked in round 2 up 2-0.
>>149558154>excuseroidbald was suspended with a slap on the wrist after winning one cup and the team received no punishment
this season there wont even be an investigation
>>149558169because its a non issue
>>149558181indeed, its a non-issue for gary to press upon his pet club
>>149558120Our beloved Samir had a rough life. Please go easy on him
>>149558105Your team is shit and run by a retard.
the raped bitch has arrived
>>149558105He saw all the comments on /hoc/ calling them asterisk cups so he changed course
>Samir mentioned. I'm in.
>>149558226Those are my Oilers
>>149558194his "pet club" spent two decades being one of the worst teams in the NHL, was actually cheated out of a playoff series going 7, have drafted the worst out of any NHL franchise, and they were a relocation candidate for decades. NOW they're his pet club?
>>149558271gary cant make it obvious
>>149558298he'll have to adjust his racism
How much money is this faggot about to make?
>cant make it obvious
>We can be discreet, Samir. C'mere, baby, there's no offseason for us.
reminder canadians never bitched about state taxes up until 2024. nobody gave a fuck about taxes for free agency until the Florida teams started to do well.
>>149558367Cope its Gary's fault my Oilers gave Nurse 9.25 millions AAV
>>149558367History revisionism
>>149558367that's not true at all though
>>149558379where were state taxes in the 2000's-2010's where the western conference ran through California?
>>149558386be very very honest here. were you paying attention to people saying this 25 years ago? or are you perhaps being a dumb faggot?
>>149558403please show me people complaining about state taxes 25 years ago. please.
Guys remember, pat brisson is not only smarter than all of you, but all the gms and agents as well
25 years ago it was expected a franchise turn a profit
then gary allowed the entire league to subsidize the coyotes
>>149558440If it wasn't for the coyotes we wouldn't have auston matthews
>>149558386Lower cap = lower wages = not as much of a need to be as greedy. There's also two more no-state tax teams in the league and almost every fucking player has trade protection now, which they use to get traded to no tax teams.
>>149558505Nobody in the 2000's/2010's were begging to play for the Florida Panthers or Tampa Bay. In fact, if you got sent to Florida it was the end of your career. But the leafs here think now they're suddenly THE team that gary loves, even though there's a team up north that just blatantly tampered with a free agent and probably will not get punished.
>>149558374Cope. Nurse and Boushart are aces.
>>149558105Bill Zito for president of Northern America.
>>149558525>Nobody in the 2000's/2010's were begging to play for the Florida Panthers or Tampa Bay.what?
rangers gave up their captain
I'm taking vacation tomorrow for an extra long weekend :)
>>149558547Based I hope you enjoy yourself :)
>>149558568Thanks, I'm going to visit my parents and go fishing with my dad :)
>>149558525I just told you you thick fuck. If the cap is 50M and your best players earns 5M it's not as necessary to save the peanuts you get for not paying income tax on the 41 home games you pay.
It's also narrative driven. When agents, players and hockey media started to talk about no tax teams more and more players wanted that. You can't fucking deny that players flock to Vegass, Dallass, Florida and Trashville.
edmongolia looks worse than last season right now, is there any team that can stop the kitties
>>149558627more players like organizations that won't throw them under the bus, but people keep going to vegas.
>>149558704Literally no one in the west, if they make another cup it's a threepeat.
>>149558704not unless gary cracks down on ped use
>>149558105They have the superior russian goalie
>>149558704Florida themselves
>>149558745This. They are the only team that can defeat themselves
>>149558740another elite player that willing went to florida with the intent to win
>>149558756>that willing wentSAAAAAAR
>>149558771you can willingly kill yourself
Anon everyone mocked the Panthers for signing Bobrovsky.
>>149558779Not in Canada I can't.
>>149558794youre not trying hard enough
>>1495587945% of all deaths in canada are MAID
>>149558792>retards are retardedwhoa!
doesnt change that florida attracted an elite tendie
>>149558792just like everyone mocked trb for your 1
hockey players shouldn't be paid millions of dollars. they should do it for the love of the game and the love of the fans.
>>149558830too bad we live in gary's world
>>149558816your mom must be so proud
>>149558846he truly is
thank you for noticing
>>149558704The New DNA Leafs
>>149558850https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_4jHqOvMYo
>>149558887hockey might not be for you
>>149558903Hockey is for everyone
>>149558919Except for you.
>>149558947If I buy a jersey, will it change your mind?
>>149558919Not if your parents are broke and you live in the hood
>>149558965Maybe two and I could reconsider.
>rags got a 1st round pick for Miller
Lmao
The fuck are the Canes doing
>>149558982Sure thing Gary. I'll even order 3!
>>149558988Hurricanes got rid of Morrow so it's a win-win
>>149559008I prefer the official NHL shop
the desert seems pretty cool
>>149559026deserts are normally hot actually
what makes jones that much better than similar players like miller, nurse or dumba?
>>149559046>similarHol' up.
>>149559093They're all defensemen
>>149559046Jones is american. Leaves just aren't good at hockey. Let's face facts here.
>>149559107defensepersons*
>>149559130k'andre is american, no?
>soilers lose all their depth and only bring in Mangiapane
>have less than 1 million in cap space left
Grim.
>>149559153We don't use that word here
>>149559158It's all Gary's fault.
It's all Gary's fault.
It's all Gary's fault.
It's all Gary's fault.
It's all Gary's fault.
It's all Gary's fault.
Damn I can't find a picture of Diddy wearing a Rangers jersey
if i was on the florida panthers i would only date dark brown cuban girls
>>149559046Nothing. Jones is at best a 2nd pair guy, just like Miller and Nurse. Dumba is cooked.
I wouldn't play for the Florida Panthers because I'm not very good at hockey
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>>149559185it's with a z it's a term of endearment
https://voca.ro/1ksQ8tMdd0Bz
Our S&Psies are still holding strong
>>149559395usa dollaridoos down 10 percent tho
a land entirely of poo and pee
>>149559158Signing Nurse to 9.5M is a choice
>>149559414Good. More exports. Fewer imports.
>>149559449wasnt canada day yesterday
>>149559463Based economics understander :)
>>149559480i'd give ningning the benis
does finland even have a day?
>>149559503I think it's in December
>>149559503Germany doesn't it's kinda weird
>>149559465canada day is every day in this house
>>149559527Getting shit faced for all of October is pretty based though.
>>149558105the panthers used to be a money laundering franchise but nu-/hoc/ zoomers aren't old enough to remember. I guess gary needed to legitimize them as a team before retiring.
>>149559552Canada fears Denmark
>>149559548Oktoberfest is in september
>>149559548I went Oktoberfest in Munich years ago and it was so much fun
do americans even have freedom anymore?
>>149559572we all have civil rights but they cost money
>>149559572no country does my fren
freedom is cringe
>i CaN dO wHaT i WaNt
okay, child
>>149559572No they're slaves to the little hat people
>>149557945 (OP)i say her at a local wrestling show in Calgary and she was very nice and rolled with a crew of large black male drag queens
gnomes have relatively big hats
buds have relatively big 1s
>>149559666you're a bust satan
>>149558919It's July, it's no longer for you.
>>149559615hockey is for authoritarian centrists
>>149558105>an even 100M to start the Core 10 EraI think Zito might be autistic
Will the Ducks ever be good again?
when are we going to get backyard hockey?
>>149559716I always figured only the baseball games were any good
>>149559634Huh?
I've seen here twice. She used to go to my uni and I saw her once with her adopted son skating on a lake
managed to break out of the jewish yoke by simply being unemployed and doing whatever the fuck i want
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>775K
>>149559891he can still strap on skates
every american poster sucks except me and my dear bro copey also stephen
>every american poster sucks
yup
Why does it take a month to decide if the players raped a bitch or not?
>>149560005the jury was tampered with
my iggies drafted a kid with a verified ep profile
it's over
>>149560062god damn it vegas
So when they're not guilty, are we having a /hoc/ gathering?
>>149560103if its worth the roadtrip
>>149560131banff wins again
>>149559891And there goes the rest of their cap space. KWAB
I have not fapped in 2 days :)
But I have strong urges :(
copey: won
bud: won
Diddy: won
rapey: lost and raped kwab
>>149560278who else needs to be signed?
>>149559751thats Dr her to you chud
>>149560301trb sisters it's over
>>149560005EM raped those boys tho
>>149559876I envy you but how do you pay for food and rent?
>>149560288good for you, anon _/_/_/_/_/
>>149559891Edmonton's plan all along was to trade away and not sign their middle 6 depth, replace them with 4th liners and keep their goalie tandem plus signing an even worse AHL goalie than they already have in the system. How could that possibly go wrong?
>>149560328Hey if they wanna run it back with the same shit goalie tandem and worse depth then by all means
>>149560441it look entirely like that is what they plan on doing
what do you usually do after you just ate too many chicken nuggets? asking for me
I guess it would depend on the sauce involved
>>149560384Thanks. I need to reduce my fapping. Iโve quit porn but I still need to stroke
how bout a fun combo of ketchup, yellow mustard and mayo?
>>149560505Eat some ice cream :)
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>>149560543rome wasn't built in a day, friend. it's a journey.
>>149560505Take a Marner.
>>149560567if she doesn't find ya handsome, she should at least find ya handy
>>149560546i got some smarties ice cream last week and tossed it in my nutribullet
changed my life
>>149560374im on the gubmint gibs brotha. got that 'tism
>>149560568oh, a game 7 mitchy is brewing. don't you worry, sven
we love kmitchie here now
>>149560621we should send rapey to the paralympics but he's too old and unathletic and was raped
>paralympics
could we compete, /hoc/?
>canada not winning best on best
cope
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>a leaf
>>149560659Crosby will be retired by 2030
>>149560694you better hope so, yank
I got a big nasty canada brewing. My farts are stinky
>>149560659Don't get too cocky, remember we lost in 2006
>>149560567Thatโs good advice
>>149560659Canada lost the all star game. I wouldn't get too cocky
Canada just won the last all star game
americans haven't won a war since the 50s btw
anyways, back to hockey...
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its gonna be one of those threads aint it
>>149560744They needed a miracle performance from Bennington and barely won in overtime. I wouldn't get too cocky
>>149560750We just lost the war on antisemitism kek
Burgers would know a thing or two about miracle hockey occurrences
>>149560651I'm retarded :)
>>149560804Yeah we just watched Refmonton somehow get to the finals in the only tournament that matters
>>149560822Yes, but are you Special? astoundingly unique?
>>149560593I also have autism but need to wage :(
>>149560842How do I tell?
>the /pol/tard Swede is an autistic NEET
To the surprise of no-one
>>149560774actual NHL assistant coach here...that was bad coverage
>>149560872well, we don't know enough to dismiss the possibility entirely, so that's like, a 50% chance you're special enough to go the retard olys, so a pensive congratulations to you
Otherwise, I'd consult a specialist in "being special"
our flames lost our shit backup (vladar), how fucked are we? We can't play wolf (awoooo) every game
Girl asked me if I was autistic. I said no. She then insisted I was.
>>149560976was that person your mother?
>>149561014No, it was Your Mother
>>149560976Why would you lie to someone like that?
>>149561014Nah some annoying girl at an adult school camp. Extremely obnoxious person. She asked my what memes I liked as a way to gauge how autistic I was. I just said I don't like memes.
>>149560951Are there any specialists on /hoc/?
Ehlers must have overpriced himself. He know laffs and soilers are retarded enough to pay it though.
Just took a creamy Marner and now I'm listening to Monster Truck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zdeo-i6uw5g
Can't believe
How strange it is to be anything at all
>>149560959Perhaps your flames and my nuckies could make some sort of deal for a goaltender?
>Demko>Lankinen>SilovsWho do you like?
>>149561262Can my Jackies make a deal? Literally anyone would be better than Elvis
>>149561262Ok sure, we get Silovs, you get Kadri?
Wolfie and Silovs would be the most dominant force in the world
>>149561304You can't get Silovs. Don't trust you again with Latvian goaltending.
>>149561351This actually seems like something Canucks management would go for to solve our 2C problem.
>>149561419firm handshakes
>>149561419I'll take one of the others. Jet Greaves should be our starter so we just need a backup
Why does the NHL have such a parity problem? Nearly every time a team wins a cup they win another one within two years.
>>149561386Wolf & Sieve
>a modern interpretation of Tango & Cash
Can we talk Gary into starting the regular season tomorrow?
>>149561681100 days and >my team will be whupping up on >your team.
>>149561716Based go flames
>>149561716My team is going undefeated next year retard
>>149561728Maybe on planet retard
>>149561771thats not a real planet
>>149561771Gary is relocating my team to Planet Retard :)
Is it true you need to do some kinda hazing to get into the /hoc/ discord?
Iโm growing my moustache out since to increase my sexy levels. Athletes like bennett and matthews are making moustaches sexy again
the poster below me is flames fan
>>149561820youre balding arent you
>>149561786where are retards coming from then?
>>149561839your mothers house
>>149561839My doctor recommended /hoc/ after he diagnosed me with retarditis
Another former penguin on the Canucks
>General Manager Patrik Allvin announced today that the #Canucks have agreed to terms with D Pierre-Olivier Joseph on a one-year contract worth $775,000.
>>149561820I'm doing one of those pencil thin puertorican beards
I can't grow a beard. It comes in all patchy
>>149561934Finally getting his transition finished
>He'll never be a natural woman, though
>>149561934>โheโs a family member hereโฆ weโre going to support himโ>gets traded to rags for no returnAll because he called Pettersson a faggot.
>they fired him because he told them the truth
I find the lack of Mitch discussion disturbing
>>149561912what about the dimes arbor xhekaj look?
>>149562060I could do that
>>149560773>>149560790everybody loves making a cheeky marnerpost
>>149561893>>149561820How do I grow a moustache without being one of those safe sleazy looking guys? They ruined the look.
>>149562114>no bodycheckingkwab
>>149562114ah yes, Minnesota
it's called the "state of hockey"
but really it's the state of child abuse
gf woke me up at 3 in the morning yesterday to tell me she wants to break up and then got upset and woke me up again because I said no and went back to sleep. WTF is wrong with women Go Flames
flooded the bathroom last night after the canada i took. had to use multiple towels
>>149560568>>149561188we don't call them that bro
>>149562225canada is a country
the word you are looking for is marner
>>149562256yes we do you gay loser
eat marner
>>149562164>he finally made the move from gay magazines to gay videos
Vegass tard trying to stop the marner meme
>swimming upstream Marner Creek without so much as a pair of swim fins
Sad
>>149562271>le rookie year manname a more overrated player
>>149562256I might take another Marner later
>>149562323copey's in deep marner now
he doesn't know how to handle this
>>149562355how is he overrated
everyone knows he was never good enough for the nhl
watching married w children, i never watched this
>>149562380What does a burning Marner smell like? I imagine it smells like Marner!
>>149562381Except the Oilers management in 2007
>>149558832why do you guys freak out about people in palliative care choosing assisted suicide? I don't get it, have any of you ever been inside that grim place? those make up 95% of Canadian assisted deaths.
>>149562500i dont get it either
people need to be allowed to die
>>149562428Well is Carter Hart guilty or not? I thought the trial was concluding.
>>149562428flames aren't in the image this is fraudulent
>>149562500You sound like a brain dead bureaucrat. You have at least one family member who work in the governmental system.
>getting personally upset when a strange old person decides they've had enough and wants to get off
>>149562568Actually, you're the one that should kill themselves.
>>149562598we already knew that you were evil, anon
you didn't have to try to convince us
Who's overpaying for Ehlers? craps or durricanes?
>pretending you're not evil
sheesh
Real reatard hours apparently.
>>149562627>if it's true for me, then it must be universal!you probably think that everyone else has tried all of the drugs that you have, too.
>kys!!
>the "final" cry of the imbecile
>>149562560It depends on how vindictive Gary is.
I'm not even sure who's arguing what side of this anymore because all of you pusys are too pusy to actually (you) anyone
Can I still be in Flames nation if I'm retarded?
>>149562679>gary>vindictiveI shan't believe it
>>149562687that's a prerequisite
>>149562687I am retarded and I'm a Flamesbro for life.
>>149562687nah we're full on those we are only accepting latinas
Where did all Canadian posters go? Did they all commit suicide?
>>149562744I just got here but I assume you drove everybody off again by being an angry fag
>>149562744Business idea: assisted suicide for the retarded
>Bouchard 10.5
>Provorov 8.5?
>>149562875For going in the toilet instead of my undies today
>>149562804>b-but muh cap increase..
>>149562804meanwhile nill is running back dumb-a
>>149562850See Bud would make a youtube video titled "Dear Mitch."
>>149562899Maybe on planet retard
Thanks for Nothing, Mitch
>>149562881that's why you can't wear white
Mike rupp sorts the players by height, that's how he got drafted like 7th overall
>>149562850Marner:
Make
Another
Recurring
Noticeably
Enlarged
Rectum
look at this bud1graph
every time i do it makes me >laffs
how did trb's ass get so red
and what the hell is on copey's head
https://youtu.be/5TJ4Q0xrzl4
>>149562899do you think that tulsky sounds like a skaven when he talks
>>149563104i watched the kelly and marner conference yesterday it was kino :)
can someone post that video of marner exposing himself as an utter retard trying to put a jersey thanks
the panthers are gonna 3 peat aren't they?
>be holland
>see -45 player
>say "wow i've gotta have that!!!!!"
kwab
>>149563149yes, thanks to the use of peds
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nous sommes de retour
>>149563176Je suis un baguette avec from age
>>149563113no, he just sounds like a californian
>Dhaliwal - Canucks have made Dakota Joshua and Teddy Bleuger available in order to free up cap space and go after a 2C via trade or free agency
All those 2C available in free agency must be jumping for joy now. All 0 of them. And every 2C that teams want to trade must be even happier than that.
>>149563275it's time for barzal to come home
>The Hurricanes signed Miller to an eight-year, $60-million contract with an average annual value (AAV) of $7.5 million.
Wait is this true?
struggled with wordle today but i still got it
>>149563211He says "like" between every second word? Must be a living hell working with him.
What do we think of the Bruins new jerseys?
>>149563396My opinion on O-6 uniforms hasn't changed since they announced them
>>149563195it seems our government regulates ped distribution too hard compared to the usa
>>149563328Buddy, you still have Dumbass on your roster with an AVV of $3,75M for another year.
>>149563396Needs the meth bear on the shoulder
>>149563396some media outlets are using the new home logo on a white background it looks absolutely awful
>>149562271Dahlin, any of the Hughes brothers, Backstrom, Marty Turco
>>149562329Selanne literally played forever and won the stanley cup what
>>149563465thoughts on being raped?
>>149563515just checked the budlendar. it's been 1172 days kek
>>149563515thoughts on being raped?
1993 days after 04/17/22 is 10/01/27
>>149563540hope I die for israel before then
why don't bud or trb ever share their thoughts on the events of 04/17/22?
>>149563368WOWZA WHO IS THIS TITBAG
Real queers queering off hours.
>>149563579for bud too? it was his crowning achievement
>>149563328he's really good, lol
https://www.tiktok.com/@imseanavery/video/7431633552728444202
>>149563587yes, the notoriety still haunts him
uh oh xhe rb's a lil bubblin'
>The Brantford Bulldogs selected 7-foot-tall, 273-pound defenseman Alexander Karmanov with the 172nd pick in the Canadian Hockey League import draft on Wednesday.
>The Ontario Hockey League club in a social media post announcing the choice called the 17-year-old the โlargest hockey player on the planet.โ Karmanov would be the tallest junior player in the CHL, and, according to Elite Prospects, he is the tallest active registered hockey player in the world.
>>149563580why did you think playoff goals count toward regular season records?
thereโs a comfy summer thunder storm rolling through bros
Daily reminder it has been 11711 days today since a Canadian team last won a Stanley Cup on June 9, 1993
>>149563640circus act or genuine threat?
>>149563667how many days is that on the budlendar?
>>149563652You about to go drop a canada??
>>149563592>Tiktok from sean avery of all people should I be clicking this
>>149563670Heโs a big guy
>>149563580That's our Samir!
>>149563675Sorry I don't speak schizo
xhe is grunting in anger. trough must be low
>>149563683it was actually entertaining but not as entertaining as say him getting into fights with random motorists as he cyclefags around town
>>149563703This had me giggling like a retard I totally forgot Sean Avery was the New York City Cyclist
>>149563684>>149563670There's a guy in the AHL on Tucson named Curtis Douglas that's 6'10 (about 207 in poverty units). He's a monster in person
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>>149563723watching this right now
very kino
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUiO7UbijUU&t=941s
the hoc posters who expressly try to be annoying are annoying
i wrote "trb?" on a staff evaluation report. Im gonna keep it in.
>>149563739Jen. I love Conan
>>149563750fuuuck yeah buddy
>>149563774I've been calling a retarded coworker trb for about a year now. He hasn't asked what it stands for, so now I'm curious as to what he thi is it means. Will update tomorrow.
>>149563840"Hey man you watch the game last night"
"Yeah trb I did and guess what bud1"
"haha oh man yeah good game"
The Penguins have signed defenseman Alexander Alexeyev to a one-year contract.
Alexeyev is signed through the 2025.26 season and his contract carries an AAV of $775,000.
>>149563834What do you say lmao? "Morning trb, bud1 btw"
>>149563834The coworker probably thinks you're the dumb one in the dynamic
theres this guy at work who uses hoc slang openly when talking to everyone else here and it creeps us all out
>>149563834 I said "Just like my Islanders" during a meeting on Teams. I'm not even an Islanders fan. I need to get away from here.
>>149563872does he call you a retard and say he didnโt ask
>>149563872Does he call you trb
>>149563873im fucking dying for real
"As youll see on slide 2 of the quarterlies are sales have dipped below our projected numbers by about 3%'
then a voice from the back "JUST LIKE MY ISLANDERS"
i always say kwab when a bug hits my windshield
I said marnerjeet at a family gathering accidentally
I slept funny on my right shoulder last night and itโs been sore all day desu
>>149563861based
>>149563873i said desu irl once and my mom and sister were confused
>I tried to sleep funny
>I kept waking myself up giggling
>kek what a bitch
sorry mark, what was that?
>>149563872I wish I worked with /hoc/ posters
3 day weekend this weekend burgerbros
>>149563944sorry, meant to say that kevin was a bitch
>>149563960fridge is already stocked :)
im doing my famous "texas burgers"
out of nowhere this thread became funny as fuck
thanks bros
>>149563943you also got raped by bud lmao kwarb
>>149563997Whatโs a โTexas burgerโ
>>149564035i call them that because I use an old smokey grill with a ton of mesquite chips under the coals. gets them nice and smokey. white kraft singles melted on top with caramelized onions on a white wonderbread bun
>>149564035burger with texas sauce
>>149564035a copywritten burgerchain
I'm just gonna have one beer. (1). Not 2, not 3, 1.
>>149564138Are you going to be honest with /hoc/ if you fail?
>I'm going to have Zero[0] beers today
>>149564154thoughts on your crushing defeat at the hands of bud?
That Morgan frost contract is terrible wtf is conroy doing
>>149564154remember when bud raped you?
>>149564201What is the contract? Before you respond let me say Connie cooked
>>149564216Hearing rumors he is about to win again.
>>149564216oh it's true
it's damn true
long island is the cheylabinsk of the united states
>>1495642222 years 4.5 million
>>149563866Pretty much. He was pissed off at something awhile ago, and when I said he was bubblin' he got that look tards do when he knows he's being insulted but can't figure out how. Red in the face and everything
>>149563869True, but he's a retard so his opinion is irrelevant.
>>149564242Holy shit bud1
>>149564244>>149564259no one wants to play for our flames so we take what we can get i guess
>>149564240w a broken freakin neck
i have just signed nik ehlers to be my friend (4X$8.5)
Conroy is good at drafting shit at everything else fire him
>>149564330Nah frost contract is fine relax
>>149562568You're actually mentally challenged I can tell from your flag