Three World Cups.

>>149847842 (OP)
If a playing career in Europe surpasses a playing career in South America, then, Messi just needs two more World Cups to surpass Pelé, as the GOAT. But Pelé is still the current GOAT.

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>>149838274

For those of you who still don't consider him GOAT, what exactly do you consider is missing in his career to be crowned GOAT?
>passes eye test
>insane highligt reels
>bunch of league and cup titles
>bunch of CLs
>bunch of top scorer awards
>most ballon d'ors
>copa america
>WC
>finalissima
I cant tell anything thats missing. How is he not the GOAT?

>>149847889
messi is the goat
it's unfortunate for pele but he got carried by didi, garrincha, and had the best ever team since 1920s uruguay behind him to captain

pissi "riggi penaltini" cuckitini is my goat.

>>149847848
If Messi won 2 more World Cups he would have 2 World Cups

>>149847889
>passes eye test
ok
>insane highligt reels
irrelevant
>bunch of league and cup titles
with the best barcelona ever in a two team league, and psg
>bunch of CLs
with the best barcelona ever
>bunch of top scorer awards
with the best barcelona ever, also irrelevant
>most ballon d'ors
with the best barcelona ever, also irrelevant
>copa america
meme trophy, irrelevant
>WC
he played well, but *
>finalissima
meme trophy, irrelevant

at least choose better stuff to bring up

>>149850536
Pele played with santos and a stacked Brazil
Pele dindt even played in england and Brazil still won it,he should have been get a for a hit in the face to a uruguayan player send off for that and missed the final,same thing with garincha being sent off in the semis and still playing the final when he should have not allowed to play it.

>>149847842 (OP)
He limped out of 62 amd 66

>>149850518
No, he'd have two more world cups

>>149850663
>Pele dindt even played in england and Brazil still won it
Brazil didn't win 66 in England. England beat Germany quite fairly in the final

There is no "GOAT"

>>149847842 (OP)
i like how 'three world cups' makes messi fans piss and shit themselves in anger defending their qatari penalty trophy

>>149850688
>>149850688
>quite fairly in the final
No such thing.
And Yeah it was in 1962 he could not play it in the second game and Brazil still won it.

>>149850718
*after the second game

>>149850739
You're a confirmed faggot. Garincha won '62 you ignoramus and Rivelino was maybe the best player in the 70 team with Jair scoring in every game.

>>149850710
He was the star of '58. Garincha '62 and, although debatable, Rivelino still owned '70 while playing number 11 after giving up his usual 10 for Pele. His performance on the left wing during '70 is something else

>>149847842 (OP)
3 world cups, 1200 goals, iconic plays, kicked with bothe feet, score headers, free kicks and became synonym with football
Pelé hate is insane

>>149847842 (OP)
Garrincha was the best player in two of those. As a matter of fact Pele didn’t even play in the second one.
Like I am surprised Brazilians don’t even know this basic fact.
Garrincha didn’t have peles marketing because he was an alcoholic with ten kids who fucked goats, but he was the best in the first two WCs and carried Pele but Pele got better marketing because of appearing in the Color tv in the 70s

>>149850663
Correct, yet he was still miles above everyone else besides Garrincha, unlike Messi who had a bunch of guys near his level at the same time
>Pele dindt even played in england and Brazil still won it,he should have been get a for a hit in the face to a uruguayan player send off for that and missed the final,same thing with garincha being sent off in the semis and still playing the final when he should have not allowed to play it.
Those weren't considered foul cards at the time, pussy

>>149852491
The thing is Pele was the top scorer in that 1958 WC with 5 goals in Quarter Semis and Final

>>149876403
6*

thats just common sense

>>149847842 (OP)

>>149847922
pele is the goat
it's unfortunate for messi but he got carried by henry etoo ronaldinho xavi iniesta villa puyol buesquets pedro and had the best ever club team behind him

>>149847842 (OP)
nigger

>>149847889
>Lance Armstrong won tour de france 7 times
>Barry Bonds hit 73 home runs
Messi is an admitted drug user and should be treated as such. He's the best I have seen but his performance was enhanced by drugs

>>149879638
henry stickman?

>>149852491
Pele was already considered the greatest ever before the 70s and colour tv

>>149852491
>muh garrincha
This is pure, unadultered cope. Garrincha was great, and he was key in winning both 1958 and 1962. Just like Zagallo, Didi, Nilton Santos, Bellini, Gilmar, Zito, and all of the rest of the team. And still a 17 years old Pelé scored 2 goals in the 1958 final. And still it was Pelé's Santos dominated Brazilian football, not Garrincha's Botafogo. And still it was Pelé who scored 6 goals in '58, Garrincha scored none. Mind you, he was 17. Even in '62, the Cup where Brazil was supposedly "carried" by Garrincha, he shared the top goalscorer position with Vavá.
Garrincha was a great player but comparing him to Pelé is absolute nonsense. Pelé was more successful for his club, more successful for the NT, had a longer career, had a higher peak, and was universally acknowledged by all as the best player of the two. With the exceptions of Eusébio (who hated Pelé) and Jairzinho, none of their contemporaries have ever said Garrincha was better. Not even Garrincha's teammates Zagallo, Didi or Nilton Santos.

>>149847842 (OP)
3

>>149852491
Based Greecanon. Extremely based.

>>149850536
>nooo but Messi played in a stacked Barcelona
>nooo but Pelé played in a stacked Brazil
>nooo but Ronaldo played in a stacked Real Madrid
Fucking retarded arguments. Football is a team sport, you don't get brownie points for playing in shit teams. Pelé was still the best player in a stacked Brazil, Messi was still the best player in a stacked Barcelona, Ronaldo was still the best player in a stacked Real Madrid.

>>149894503
>Ronaldo was still the best player in a stacked Real Madrid.
pic related "stacked madrid" for 5 years

>>149895120
>twain now forced by himself to downplay the entire RM squad
Wonder how you cope with the fact that several of the players that won UCL with Ronaldo went on to win it without him a few years later.

>>149882404
That doesn't work for him brother

>>149847842 (OP)
>>149847848
Oh yeah, and he also scored 6000000 goals in his lifetime. How impressive.

>>149851095
This

>>149883770
Garrincha was more influential than Pele in 62 and that the point some of us have made. 1970, goals from Jair and nobody played better than Rivelino, who also played out of position

>>149897526
Worked for you

>>149847848
Truthnuke

>>149847842 (OP)
*

>>149915600
3 stars for Brazil not Pele

>>149847842 (OP)
we know