Thread 149905574

Tour de France (2.UWT)
Stage 17
Bollène - Valence
160.4km

Startlist:
https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/tour-de-france/2025/startlist

GC after stage 16:
https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/tour-de-france/2025/stage-16-gc

Roadbook:
https://mega.nz/file/Ks1WmTqT#o4__StR0te8_md9LKYWEfJLD4beu2OuF8da2-soXvI8

Live stats:
https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/tour-de-france/2025/stage-17/live
https://racecenter.letour.fr/en

Streams:
https://tiz-cycling-live.io/
https://cycling.today/live-streaming/
https://thedaddy.click/ (search by "cycling" or by TV channels)
Eurosport / Discovery+ / HBO / TNT / France TV / ARD / RTBF / VRT / Czech TV / DKTV2 / RTVE / Rai / NOS / EITB / RTP / SRG SSR
13:20 CET

Previous thread:
>>149894373

>Current and upcoming races
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27.07 Vuelta a Castilla y Leon 1.1
02.08 Donostia San Sebastian Klasikoa 1.UWT
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05.08 - 09.08 Vuelta a Burgos 2.Pro
06.08 - 08.08 Tour de l'Ain 2.1 M
06.08 - 10.08 Trans-Himalaya Cycling Race 2.1
06.08 - 17.08 Volta a Portugal em Bicicleta 2.1
07.08 - 10.08 Arctic Race of Norway 2.Pro
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12.08 - 16.08 PostNord Tour of Denmark 2.Pro
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17.08 ADAC Cyclassics 1.UWT
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20.08 - 24.08 Renewi Tour 2.UWT
21.08 GP Lucien Van Impe 1.1 WE
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26.08 - 29.08 Tour Poitou - Charentes en Nouvelle Aquitaine 2.1
27.08 Muur Classic Geraardsbergen 1.1
28.08 Kreiz Breizh Elites Féminin 1.1 WE
30.08 Classic Lorient Agglomération - CERATIZIT 1.WWT
31.08 Bretagne Classic - Ouest-France 1.UWT

>Mecha-Rusbert's webm folders:
https://pastebin.com/kCgLX5Pn

>Bert van Koers' ciclismo quizzes:
https://www.sporcle.com/user/Bert_van_Koers/quizzes/

>Races info:
https://www.procyclingstats.com/
https://firstcycling.com/

>Free streams:
https://tiz-cycling-live.io/
https://cycling.today/live-streaming/
https://thedaddy.click/

>Velodrama league code:
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B E L G I U M

EARLY EMERGENCY /BH/
REST IN PEACE MY PRINCE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0siYUjV9UM&ab_channel=OzzyOsbourne

>>149905574 (OP)
rip ozzy

This tdf is awesome and pure enjoyment

>>149905627
>>149905634
I didn't even know he was sick

>>149905642
been sick for 60 years realistically

>>149905639
today was literally the only good day

>>149905666
Cursed trips

>>149905666
Tourmalet was good too

There has not been a single good race since 1996 Paris-Roubaix

>Despite an inconsistent pace and multiple attacks, the Mont Ventoux record was destroyed. Vingegaard did Ventoux with 6.52 W/Kg for 54:32 min. Pogačar was two seconds faster with 6.44W/Kg as he did not spend that much time in the wind. It was an exceptional performance and the best long climbing performance ever.
DOOOPAGEEE

The level is a bit lower than 2024. Still waiting for the hard alpine stages but could the CO ban be the reason?

>>149905746
I miss the Contador era

>>149905790
No, CO has zero effect on performance. Everyone used it simply because they felt like it, there was no other reason and I think you sound like a schizo for even implying something like that.

there haven't been any kino descents yet

>>149905796
Contador era was boring and lame compared to what we have now
literally the best ciclismo since forever

>>149905796
WIN WANCE'S BIKE?
WIN WEVI'S BIKE?
WIN MY BIIIIIIKE!!!

>>149905851
Even if he was caught he was not an evident fraud as EPOgacar, the fisherman, whole UAE and Visma

>>149905851
TdF 2011 is still the kinoest tour for me personally because it's the Tour de Misfits with Voeckler, Schleck, Evans and post-dope Contador

>>149906003
Rolland winning at Alpe D’Huez was great

>>149905972
>if
bert...i....

>>149905851
retarded tourist zoomer

>>149905790
Pogi destroys the Ventoux record a couple of days after a 50 km/h crash, without leaving his saddle for 99% of the climb, with a fucking scarf on because he's sick.
If he's not still using CO I can't even imagine what he'd look like with it.

>>149906003
Little Tommy putting on the yellow after that breakaway was peak TdF cinema.

>>149906068
>calling me a tourist
how fucking dare you

>>149906003
Evans looks like an accountant. Crazy you could win the tour with a body like that in your mid thirties.
I still dont understand it to this day. I distinctly remember that peaking at like 32-33 was a thing for cyclists back in the day. Now they peak at 22. How did they explain that back then?

ASO and UCI are going to pull a Pogacar doping ban out of the ether because he is TANKING the ratings.

>>149905790
Is it really? I think fish is weaker and pog isn't pushing it because he has such a huge gap. That tt must have been insane but the watt autist didn't say anything about it

>>149906132
Most TdF winners aged between 25 and 31 years. It’s pogacar performance which is out of the norm.

>>149906132
Made up a lot of time in the TT, in which Schleck was absolutely horrible at. Also pacing and holding on for dear life up the mountains without ever really attacking in the mountains is how he did it. He really deserved that tour with how many kms he pulled them uphill.

>>149906037
>EUROPCAR
Now that was a CLEAN team

>>149906198
that Voeckler

kek

>>149906215
Never said it was a clean team but at least the didn’t look like fucking mutants as UAE, Visma or Us Postal do

>>149906132
they didn't turn pro until much later and they thought riding grand tours was too hard. probably was too hard because they were so clueless about diet and recovery. even Sky were retarded. I remember Wiggo talking about coming home from 7 hour training rides and having a salad and going to bed.

>>149906264
When the quality of training was as bad as it was 20 years ago, quantity was king and you didn't fill that up until you were much older.

>>149906280
cringe and gay
the man with the fox is MUCH better

>>149906264
Gilbert was doing fasted 5hours ride

>>149905627
honestly he was insanely lucky that he diddnt already die 20 or 30 years ago

I don't want the Tour to end. I don't want to wait until next year.

>>149906003
yeah i go with that insane how hard Voeckler fought

>>149906349
knowers know that the TDF begins on thursday

>>149906369
For me, it's the Tour de Femmes that begins on saturday

>>149906132
Are we all that sure Pogi isn't going to peak at 32 as well? Roidlic is almost 36 and has won a GT last year and the year before. Nibali was still very much competitive at the same age. Froome simply got his plug pulled in 2019 or decided to do so.

The supermutants showed up and were at a higher level from the get-go, but they could stay there for another 5-8 years.

>>149906349
Watch Tour de France Femmes then

>>149906393
good joke bert

>>149906369
Is this the stage where you might actually win the tour, and not just lose it?

>>149906427
its the stage where Pogi blows up and loses 10 minutes mashallah

>>149906349
Vuelta could turn out to be kino

>>149906349
Same
They should add at least one more winter grand tour in Australia or South America

>>149906466
I can't stand Eurosport and there is no way to watch it without ads. I want it on ARD or on some GCN type stream.

>>149906466
>could
the Vuelta is always kino

>>149906485
it's the only race that I have to watch on Eurosport, because it's neither on French nor on Italian tv. maybe RAI will show the first 4 stages with the start in the alps.

>>149906505
>pov youre a tdf press photographer

>>149906466
The vuelta is always a fantastic grand tour. The giro is always great too

>>149906406
They should give up with this hypocrisy and pretend everything is fine and just allow them to dope, in the end this works kind of F1 like, where good drivers have to rely on their engineers. In cycling it would be the same with doctors.

Axelgod is huffing serious hopium in his analysis of todays stage

>LONG WAY TO PARIS
>TOUR IS STILL YOUNG
>JUST A FEW BAD DAYS NOTHING SPECIAL
>ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN
>WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS TOMORROW
>TOMORROW'S A NEW DAY
>YOU NEVER KNOW WHATS GONNA HAPPEN
>STILL A LONG WAY TO PARIS PAL
>ALL DAYS CAN'T BE GOOD DAYS, YOU KNOW?
>WE'RE ONLY IN THE THIRD WEEK
>LOTS MORE TOUR DE FRANCE TO GO
>YOU JUST NEVER KNOW WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN
>TEAM HAS PLANS FOR THE NEXT STAGES
>TOMORROW IS A DIFFERENT DAY
>PARIS IS STILL FAR AWAY
>WELL, WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS

Can't remember the last tdf I enjoyed, must have been 2000 epo era when Erik Dekker won 3 stages.

>>149906555
>The giro is always great too
I've seen too many Giro sprint stages, so have a you for your bait.

>>149906634
>280km sprint stage across the Po valley at 30km/h

>>149906471
>he does not rate Le Tour de Langkawi

The giro was borderline unwatchable the past 3 years.

>>149906696
>tfw you will never be Gert Steegmans in 2008

https://youtu.be/JkMpmQQTP5Y?t=31

>>149906527
is there a video of vinegars crash?

>>149906696
You don't want to be belgian champion, you might think you win it and you can relax but no suddenly you have to win classics "in the Belgian jersey", then you have to win RVV or PR in the tricolor, then you have to win a tour de france stage on 21/07 in the drapeau belge, then you have to defend your title against hundreds of other Belgians the next year. It never ends

>>149906803
don't believe so
doesn't seem too bad thoughever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4g0awm5bEI

>>149906821
also this
Memco is currently crumbling under the pressure as we speak

>>149906821
being belgiumsk seems pretty rough

If Remco was in today’s stage he'd have passed the finish line in the broom wagon ken

Everywhere I see people being more hopeful than ever that Jonas will be able to drop Pog in the coming stages.
But why? Didn't Pog just close all of his attacks while seated AND still recovering from an illness, even though Visma had the perfect setup with their satellite riders?

>>149906944
the tour ended after 3 days

>>149906944
Its not from the users of Danish RAI. Believe is tanking.

>>149906944
It's called copium. No one wants to believe the tour ended at the first mountain

>>149906944
people want the story, vinge is now the underdog so to have a big comeback would be kino
but it's just not gonna happen

>>149906752
>>149906821
Belgian rouleurs are just the best eber. i wish i were belgian.

>>149906944
Journos live off this

>>149906944
Vinge is strong but Pogi rides smart, plus still looks stronger than Vinge. No reactio from him when Vinge tried to bait him to pull today. Visma actually did a good job today but ultimately it's 1v1, and Pogi seems a clear winner for now.

>>149906944
because Pogi actually tired today and because people want good entertainment

I actually feel like Jonas is gaining a lot this tour

>Regaining some fan love after actually trying to compete instead of wheel sucking
>Paycheck stealers on Visma are getting absolutely exposed for the frauds they are

Jonas ain't winning the yellow, but he is winning the moral battle.

you know whats funny?
the Roglicstans and Roglicwifes are spamming twitter with how they think Roglic is gonna win the TDF any moment now because of today

Which cycling glasses do you have? Would you buy them again?

Rog was the strongest today. Could have won the stage if he was free. He was closing in on Jonas and Pog, but then had to drop to protect 3rd in GC.

>>149907123
CUTE
I LOVE CYCLING TWINKS AAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>149907073
>Pogi actually tired today
People see poggy mouth breath a bit and they loose their minds.

>>149907102
>Roglicwifes
like Snapewifes?

>>149907107
prescription transition oakleys
yes

https://www.uci.org/pressrelease/uci-statement-concerning-johan-bruyneel/7H4Dx5DGapKg1wOwD0rdiv
lmao?

>>149907107
also transition oakleys that I never remember to take with me before I leave somehow

>>149907107
One must look Fresh. Do not buy a Groenewegen Bane Mask

>>149907238
kek
lappartient is a slimy politician that doesn't know anything about sport

>13th
>15th
>16th
Where will this shithead fraud go next year?

>>149907297
Astana

Bane?

>>149907137
I've unironically seen some people claim
>his shoulders are rocking a little bit, must mean he is on the limit

>>149905848
Ummm, do you not remember the descents of the Cols du Tourmalet, Aspin, and Peyresourde in fog and mist?

>>149906925
I thought the same.

Today, we celebrate one of the GREAT stages of the year as well as my ascent to the TOP of the Veloleague with another /WORLD TOUR WINE/ !!

Today's koers ran directly thru Chateauneuf-du-Pape; attention payers will remember the SENSATIONAL bottle of 2015 Mas de Boislauzon CdP Tintot from Paris-Nice (which encouraged me to buy three bottles of the 2016 vintage). As I do not like to repeat myself, we have decide to find a bottle from the mythical appellation of Mont VENTOUX itself!

Famille Perrin La Vielle Ferme Cotes du Ventoux 2023 ($10.99)

Famille Perrin is one of the great winemakers of the Southern Rhone, with a collection of wines and styles ranging from this bottle up to their Grand Vin -- Chateau de Beaucastel Chateauneuf-du-Pape. I have never had La Vielle Ferme before, but I do admit that I enjoy their "budget" Cotes du Rhone (Coudoulet de Beaucastel) as one of my go-to wines. La Vielle Ferme is grown on the slopes of Ventoux, and we have a typical Rhone blend to enjoy, although with a bit of a different mix - Carignan, Cinsault, Grenache, and Syrah.

Pours quite a dark ruby. The nose is surprisingly good - fresh raspberry, fresh strawberry, light licorice, and just a touch of bacon and pepper (I wonder how much Syrah is blended). There is some complexity to the nose, but definitely fruit forward. The palate is bone dry, with dusty tannins. There is a mélange of fruit and savory notes fighting through the tannins. The finish is short, without much acidity. The blend is great and obviously a well-made wine, but it is a bit hollow.

Boy, I was so hopeful based on the nose, but the structure definitely falls apart. For $11, this is great, a great food wine. I will probably stick with Coudoulet as my go-to Cotes du Rhone (which is like $35) but this is totally serviceable and widely-available.

>>149905627
Mamma I'm Coming Home

>>149906555
Why lie on the internet

>>149907297
Tietema Rockets.
I'm not even memeing. Look it up.

first for anime

Pog will want to win a mountain stage,probably the one at Loze, and the last stage

>>149907802
Anime bike girls when?

>>149907766
>it's real

>>149907809
You snoze you loze

>>149907830
Long Riders! was junk and that one about women's keirin was ass. Cycling is better with anime boys.

>>149906003
Don't think we'll ever see a yellow jersey crashing into someone's driveway again

Chris Horners son is sooo fucking fit lads idk what it is. I'm infatuated with him.

>>149907107
https://www.sweetprotection.com/de/en/ronin-rig-reflect-rig-aquamarinematte-crystal-black/
and yes, I actually did. got the clear-lens one for night rides

How do Peloton girls pee? Any videos for research purposes?

>>149907960
Don't send him a picture of your penis

>>149907979
they had really good wind conditions today

I liked today's stage, it was good. Long live mom one two

KUSS actually did something today. That was cool to see.

>>149907979
>Ca interroge

>>149908120
um
it was a headwind

>>149908163
winning that Vuelta really kwabbed him

>>149907979
he rides for quickstep bruv sorry to break it to you

>>149908279
Five GTs in a row and win the last one. They absolutely wore him down. Maybe he should get Trine as his agent.

>>149908279
Is that really what happened, or has he simply stopped caring and is enjoying life?

im gonna miss these threads after the tour

i do not have the will nor the tism to stick around during non race periods

>>149908287
very cool

>>149908346
>non race periods
For your consideration: /turnleft/ and /turnleftonmud/

>>149908339
classic american cyclist brainworm of only caring about the tour and jobbing it up the rest of the year [his vuelta win counts as jobbing]

>>149908346
it’s okay we’ll be here next year

>>149908346
>not sticking around from the Tour Down Under to the Giro di Lombardia
kwab

Jonas has to attack on Madeleine right

I don't even think it's unrealistic that Jonas wins this tour

>>149908510
bert he's 4mins down

>>149908346
imagine missing out on races like the volta em bicicleta, cyclassics, omloop, czech tour and the list goes on

>>149908468
>>149908510

>>149908526
He took almost six minutes on Col de la Loze in 2023

I am a Pogi fan, but if he is ill or nutrition is off, all it takes is one stage to break this race wide open

>>149908529
Knowers know that .pro is where its at.

>>149908554
Basically this. Still extremely hard stages left. We saw a weak UAE. We saw a glimmer of weakness from poogacar.

>>149908554
Johannesen already died today. He should do the needful and finish the job.

>>149908554
2025 Pogi is not 2023 Pogi
2025 Fish is not 2023 Fish

>>149908529
>>149908569
Where do you even watch this?

>>149908510
Only if the Slovenian Balrog becomes much more ill than he seemed today. The fish put out one of his best performances of his life, the balrog was obviously a bit ill, and STILL came out on top without too much trouble. The difference in level in these two, who at some time may have been equals, is staggering, and as of yet unexplained imo.

>>149908554
that was after he showed he was miles better then pog that tour. the opposite is true now. there's no reason to believe jonas has suddenly activated the landis protocol, and that pogacar is suddenly going to be climbing worse then georg zimmerman again

>>149908468
yes but he does not have the team for it

>>149908596
A mix of max and tiz. It was glorious when gcn+ was still a thing, but sadly good things are not allowed.

>>149908626
what is max?

>>149908625
Kvssnvke will drop pogafraud like a stone

Four minutes. Four minutes. Four minutes. Four minutes Jonas you're gone.

*chick-a-chick chick chick*
Gone. chick-a-chick - Gone.

Four minutes. Four minutes. Four minutes Jonas you're gone.


*chick-a-chick chick chick*
Gone. chick-a-chick - Gone.
Gone. chick-a-chick - Gone.

>>149908636
hbo max, paypig streaming.

>>149908603
Le he wasn't trained properly xDDD

I think the answer lies withing their weird spanish diabetes cancer doctor who suddenly decided to be a cycling coach

>>149908661
We don't even have that

>>149908650
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWVUp12XPpU

>>149908681
seems like its discovery+ in germany

>>149908693
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzyuPp_2STw

>>149908510
i still believe

>>149908760
legit driving my dog insane

>>149908815
rip doggy if you have good speakers

>>149908650
The time is waiting
(We only got four minutes to save the world)
No hesitating
Grab a boy (Then grab a girl)
Time is waiting
(We only got four minutes to save the world)
No hesitating
(We only got four minutes, heh, a-four minutes)

>>149908693
these people need to be gassed with zykon b

>>149908935
actually a better fit

Jonas attacked 4 times on Ventoux. Quite impressive

>>149909052
he really needs to stop looking back every 5sec though

>>149909052
Only the first attack was any good, made Pogi sweat a bit. The rest he covered easily.
Right now it's really similar to 2022-23, with the guy in second attacking at every opportunity and the yellow jersey covering everything with ease.

>>149909121
I think we could all spend less time evulating the past and looking back. Reliving old memories. Tormenting ourselves over past mistakes. The past is exactly the reason you're here right now, and the only way to change that is in the future.

>>149908734
>discovery+
Im not paying for THAT

>>149909205
its unadulterated tiz for u then

>>149909187
you're right but i'm too drunk to care rn

>>149909187
yes but in the past he has 2 TDF's and in the future he has zero

>>149908596
Portuguese tv has an online stream for the volta, cyclassics is on NDR. for just watching the last 10k the shitty streams posted here are just fine.

>>149909289
still cant believe that gollum looking fuck won two tour de frances, unbelievable

Going to need everyone's number 1 sleeping tips ASAP before I have a complete meltdown

>>149909555
count sheep

Virenque paid Ullrich 100 000 francs to let him win in Courchevel

>>149909555
raise your hematocrit to 60% with EPO and turn your heart monitor off

>>149909555
get into bed and close your eyes
that usually works for me every single time

>>149905574 (OP)
Finally back around here, just thinking about the fact that a tour 100% in the Democratic Republic of Auvergne Rhone Alpes region would be incredible but ASO doesn't have the balls for that.

if i got belgian citizenship, would i be eligible to be belgian champion? willing to dedicate my life to this.

>>149909555
I take half a Bromazepam every 30 minutes of not sleeping.

>>149907719
I like this one with some ice cubes when eating a salad

>>149909682
yes
We literally have a france-born cyclocross champion wearing the belgian jersey right now.

The dam is going to break soon
there are so many fucking kenyans being popped for masking agents in the past couple years
but no actual drugs found yet so they don't know what they are doing
running is seeing the exact same thing as pro cycling where the times completely stagnated from the mid 00s to covid, then all of a sudden times started plummeting and records being crushed

Mads pedersen would have been really good in this Tour de France

>>149909803
he would have won green

>>149909738
We're starting to see some kind of similar pattern in weightlifting, positive controls have almost disappeared for like 8 years, level crashed but some insane performances are now back for a few years

>>149907719
You should try this one

>>149909670
Isn’t that just Dauphiné?

>>149909738
whenever i see another sport that isnt filled to the brim with squeakers while still being obviously doped i feel immense jealousy. this is the only sport where the greatest athletic achievements within the sport are met with nothing but doping accusations. new pole vault record by a scandi? wondrous achievement, applause all around. pog doesn't even get close to the hautacam record? obvious doping, cant even celebrate it. I just want one, one other sport to have the level of unfun bitching that cycling has so they know how it feels

>>149906821
Omloop het Nieuwsblad

>>149910066
shut the fuck up you fucking faggot slovenian with a VPN
kys

Business idea: monument winners get a jersey that they wear in every race until the next edition of that monument. right now Grug would be racing in the Paris Roubaix jersey

>>149910066
interesting. I never thought about that before but it's true. although the squeakers do squeak loudly they are still only a minority.

as i said a while back pogi's only weakness right now is his form after a rest day. the reason is unclear but seems like they have not fixed it as a team.

this may mislead people into thinking that he's in bad form when it's just a blip, combined with the flu like symptoms. once that clears up he should be back to top form.

Lipowitz might have the gayest face in world sport.

>>149910129
Søren Wærenskjold would inspire fear with a Tour du Poitou winner jersey

>>149910066
how do you know this?

Made a nice bowl of rice-and-veggie slop with some grilled short rib, enough for two more meals later this week. Now to have a quick goon sesh and then to see what my boy Ben Mankiewicz has programmed for tonight. A comfy Tuesday

>>149910331
do people under the age of 60 actually watch cable television

>>149905782
this is far lower than 2024 lmao. why squeaak about this

>>149910355
TCM has an app you can livestream through, and every movie from the past month to stream

And I'm not even 30 yet it's not weird

Low key this is probably the worst top ten of a Tour de France for a long time. Onley vs. Vauquelin vs. Johannessen is so much worse than Porte vs. Superman vs. Dumoulin

>>149910380
If you got Pog + Jonas + Rog I don't give a fuck who the other 7 are. That will go down as elite in the history books

>>149910393
If Oscar Onley is 5th it's a poor TdF, simple as

>>149910395
Introduction by Antoine Vayer:


Two monstrous records were broken today by Tadej Pogacar and Jonas Vingegaard, our two usual mutants.


1°) The ascent of the Ventoux from Saint Estève to Chalet Reynard, 9.53 km through the woods at 9.19%, which had belonged to Nairo Quintana

since 2020 in 28min05sec. Today, it's four seconds better

(28min01sec) for the Vingegaard-Pogacar tandem, averaging 20.4 km/h

for 464 Watts Etalon.


2°) The ascent of the Ventoux from Saint Estève to the

summit, 15.7 km in the open with a 10 km/h headwind on the top

at 8.54%, a record that had belonged to Iban Mayo since 2004 in 45min 47sec. That's one minute better for Pogacar-Vingegaard, or 21 km/h for 455 Watts Etalon.


Incredible. But that's not all. Behind these two

mutants, other performances seem supernatural to us, such as, for

example, those of Ben Healy and Valentin Paret-Peintre. We can't give you

any figures yet. We'll be taking our time to check

and refine them. We'll also be counting the incredible and repeated

attacks at 500-600 watts by the Frenchman and the Irishman on the climb.

>>149910412
The debauchery of power

of the two mutants is astonishing. It's humanly impossible. There's something

. The behavior of some of the other racers,

from time to time, seems surreal. There's something else going on here too. Perhaps not

itself.


They say thieves are always one step ahead. Or

several. Perhaps one can be found in

allosteric hemoglobin modifiers. They seem to be particularly effective, yet off the radar of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA), which is looking the other way. Practical.


Marc Kluszczynski, our anti-doping controller, explains

. He's a pharmacist who has been writing the doping section of

Sport et Vie for many years. He is a regular contributor to cyclisme-dopage.com. He

knows his stuff.


And what do you think?

>>149910380
2020 had an absurdly strong startlist and only Bernal and Bardet didn't make it Paris. Doubt we'll ever see so luminous a Top Ten again for a long time.

>>149910380
I think it will age very well, most of the belief its a poor field is just that all the secondary contenders are young/unproven. Onley, big kev, and Lipo all look like they will continue to improve, and Johannessen and Healy are 25 and 24 respectively. Even CRod might eventually git gud again. In 10 years when all/most of these guys have had a high-level career it will look much much stronger

now this is a proper top 10

>>149910412
while it's possible that they all dope, breaking records is not exactly "evidence", because there are 1000 different things now, every rider has a diet built around his target, has the exact amount of muscles they need etc. The bikes are also much better than back then and the suites are more aero too. So less than a 3-5% improvement isn't really that huge overall.

@149910496

>>149910504
while I genuinely believe they are all doping, the argument really stands, it's like comparing footballers now with footballers 20 years ago, right now everyone is strong as fuck and perfected everything, the average professional athlete (in any sport) improved a lot in the last 10-15 years due to better nutrition, better physical preparation, better programs and overall less degenerate lifestyles.

>>149910533
ugh................................... watts don't lie...........................................................

>>149910412
>>149910419
>Antoine Vayer
Being a professional sqeaker seems like a fun job desu

>>149910444
average hematocrit: 58.67 %

>>149910412
>>149910419
Vayer is a fucking retard that was shitting blood about Froome
It was revealed that Froome would do like 5.7-5.8w/kg average on big attacks when his data was hacked
so he might not be wrong here but he is a fag so anything he says is disregarded

>>149907238
my king

Hate when I get married and then realize that my two old aunts are serial killers

my legs are itchy and sweaty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fy3GjBe-3IU

Got a nice Havarti cheese from the store

>>149910419
well, he's absolutely right
what pogachud and vingo are doing is beyond superhuman
you'd be a fool to believe it's natural

>>149909728
>my dream is alive
thats a good fren

>>149905695
Pogacar
=/=
Dopage

>>149910533
except that in football the native talent of the 80s 90s stars holds up as opposed to purely endurance sports, so it's not really a fair comparison. pogachud vingo and roglic when he was at his best not just beating the golden era riis ullrich pantani and armstrong but smashing their times is inexplicable if you don't delve into performance enhancing methods.

all in all
even if I would be certain they're doping it still makes for a good spectacle
vingo and pogi attacking each other like mutants on legendary climbs is a sight to behold
the ventoux stage was kino

old timey sports just suck across the board in training and nutrition. it's just what it is.

>>149911865
Thing is for most sport old times ended in the early 90s. For some reason in Cycling it ended in 2018

>>149911865
depends on the sport really
maradona and platini's technical ability was superior to whoever you want playing these days
agassi was firing off gunshots from the baseline in the 90s better than everyone that's come on tour since except for the obvious and people still call rafa and djok doped
senna and schumacher were supreme driving talents
same for like nicklaus, woods, MJ, lemieux or whoever

>>149912024
agassi would get out muscled from the baseline by almost everyone in the top 100 these days, i agree with calcio though modern players are pathetic its unwatchable

>>149912122
asinine thing to say
he was firing winners and holding his own basically unable to move at 35 against fed in a grand slam final

>>149910066
>I just want one, one other sport to have the level of unfun bitching that cycling has so they know how it feels
Weightlifting is the sport for you, then

Where in the world has our girl been? concerned.

lets be honest this tour exposes what a dogshit race giro is.
vuelta gets saved by rampas, roglic being retarded and jumbo/movistar dramas.
tour is just the most kino gt and its not even close, breakaways dont slurp. giro breakaways are pure slurpage, and gc been a fucking joke for years. remember bernal being a bitch towed by martinez to a victory and almost losing to 34 yo caruso? roglic struggling to beat a grandpa g? this year with the retarded boomer and zoomer throwing it away to a C tier GC contender. LOL giro is such a dogshit race.
shitalians will never recover.

>>149913353
its hard being Nord in italy.

>>149913353
If you don't appreciate the Giro then you don't like cycling. Fact.
>>149913432
haven't you killed yourself already?
what a waste of space

>>149913353
All those things you've described only make the racing more entertaining

>>149913501
why cant m*ds just let her live?

>>149910066
Stupid faggot. If you ever watch the diamond league all they fucking talk about is a combination of dopers and record breakers in athletics. There are genetic freaks in track and field rn though like femke bol and Gru (the guy you're talking about). He's almost bunchback with a very strange body.

>>149913353
2bh my only gripe with Giro is that RCS unlike ASO often behave like cucks and lazy fucks among riders feel emboldened to push them around into neutralizing the race or cancel climbs.

where dat gurl been?

>>149913353
still mogs the tour of Germany or whatever bullshit you guys organize

>>149913812
m*d suffering pleases nords

I moved to 1935

>>149913843
very short stage for that era

>>149909611
LIPO IST SAUBER

total med death

>>149913843
thats a 36 average, with the equipment of the time, pretty impressive

>>149913843
>Buttafocchi
hehehehe...

Ayuso bros, Del Taco kwabs us again

>>149914195
>not allowed to ride with pogi
>won't ride together with del stier
I wanted to joke that UAE will send him to Poland, but looks like they actually will lol

>>149914211
Jonas also rode Tour of Poland when he was 22

>>149909611
Love this clean era of cycling

Rumored New Team
>Tobias Lund
>Foldager
>Asgreen
>Charmig
>Julius
>Tsarenko
>Ponomar
>Kwiatkowski
>Majka
>Buchmann
>Kelderman

>>149914283
IPT without the money.

>>149913501
Back to your containment circlejerk site you rancid little hog.

Sprinters are getting KWAB'd today

Seems a lot of teams are having financial restructuring or troubles. I imagine with UAE polluting the sport with Arab money there's and incredible inflation in WT cycling. Now would probably be the time to create a new team if ever there was one.

>>149914316
Let's do it /sp/ we could make our own WT team

>>149914338
we just need to persuade Bert Containers to spend more money on cycling

>>149913585
can you even start to grasp how fucking cringe you are?

>>149914316
I hate Arab oil money in sports so much

>>149914338
Euromillions would be good for a year or two, that's without title sponsors. /cyc/ lottery syndicate

>>149914296
ok muhammad, don't you have new pills to take or something

>>149907995

This is a drawing but it explains how some do it whilst riding.

They also have detachable bib straps so they can squat for a piss

>>149914361
same
the real reason I hate pogi so much is he rides for arab team

>>149914373
Lmao endchan defence force has crawled from under the carpet. Come here to bitch and moan? Fuck off and stop telling berts to kill themselves maybe. Dumpster tier humans.

>>149914381
>>149907995
you can also get bibs that allow you to undo a crotch flap like a pair of baby pajamas - "drop tail bibs"

the method in that picture doesn't actually work that well since the fabric of your shorts may not be stretchy enough to allow enough space or if you have a lot of labia flaps that mess up the stream

>>149914381
Women should never have to piss outside, they're a sitting ducks tangled in lycra and straps. Women should have a portapotty following them around, supplied by the state. Heated seat, purfume scented roll. Bidet. They deserve better than their ogre (male) counterparts.

Do female riders really have destroyed labia?

>>149914401
is that Benny Healy?

>>149914401
This does look remarkably like Healy

>>149914401
they literally just squat by the side of the road it isn't that big of a deal

>>149914402
if you get your saddle fit right, this shouldn't be a problem. It is a common complaint among women though

>>149914393
You know a lot about women urination, care to share why?

>>149914416
my wife is a woman and she rides bikes

>>149914432
AWOOGA

>my wife is a woman and she rides bikes
Busted

>>149914432
>my wife is a woman
proof?

>>149914391
saar!

>>149914491
then we can watch the women
then we can watch the vuelta
then we start getting strong for next year

>>149914491
just go on a cycling holiday to the alps or pyrenees

>>149914491
so much fun cycling yet to come, bert
also, take a week off around October and go on a cycling holidays, so many fun places to ride your bike around that time of year

>>149914491
It began when jonas officially lost the tour. I've now got vuelta fever.

How do I into cycling? I want to switch from rooning but the roads around where I live aren't the most cycling friendly. Or am I overthinking it? Should I just buy a bike and see what happens?

>>149914623
where in the UK are you approximately
I cycled in northumberland once and it was very scary, but my wife is from Surrey and she said it was lovely for cycling

>>149914623
buy a cheap second hand bike from your local lbs or decathlon or wtv you brits use, he probably organizes a weekend group ride for beginners like you.
if you don't like it just sell that shit and move on
be aware that everything feels hard at first, it never gets easier you just go faster, but you'll enjoy it more and more

ok serious question, how do you like your cock and balls on the saddle when riding?

are you a middle kind of guy, with your junk right on the middle, or a left or right kind of guy.

>>149914595
Excited for some cock-art.

what a bizarre way to die

>>149914623
What general area out of interest? Things are getting significantly more dangerous on the roads here in south England. Depending the area you can adapt however. You will need action cameras, they're also good because many divers will see it. Also garmin varia radar, indicates when a car is behind you.

Our drivers are getting far more aggressive, especially with influx of foreign nations who are very unaware and used to driving or motorbiking shit holes like india. You have to ride defensively or travel to ride. I was hit twice in 4 days last year, both aggression and not just stupidity. People are psychotic.

There is a huge indoor culture through zwift which is great fun. So 1-2 outdoor a week and rest indoor would be fine. Bike skills like handling are vital if you're a runner, because likely you'll ride fast very soon and if you can't corner or emergency stop then take it easier first few months. Especially rain.

Sigma sports probably best retailer right now. Decathlon is very up and coming, they have exceptional products for great prices. 105 shimano drive train disc bike would be a good start. Either carbon or aluminium. 2k starter bike will be a good decision. Most bikes are much the same at that price so anything you like. And get a bike fit, non-negotiable if you want to be comfortable.

It's fun but don't let your wits down unless you're cozy rural area, but even then farmers and contractors are cunts.

>>149914656
The penis will be aimed about 45 degree upward to the left with testicles dead centre slightly separated. I find this most comfortable.

>>149914623
yeah unironically just buy a bike and start riding it, and set yourself some goals to work towards for motivation

for me the first "goal" when i started riding was to build up to a 100km ride

>>149914632
The Irish cycling enclave of Birmingham, there's plenty of canal routes but I'm thinking they'll get boring very quickly.

>>149914656
are you riding naked you filthy savage? these positions are not possible with bibs on

>>149914677
was he pushed off the platform or fell himself? it's like the only realistic way to get electrocuted to the death in metro. there's usually a contact rail under the platform edge

>>149914694
Road bike? I went to uni there for a short while and find the West has exceptional roads just outside of Birmingham. Ridiculously steep one too next to caravan park. I ride from edgebaston on the main road and it was pure danger. I feel bad for you, it was a pure shit heap of a city. Hated it.

You have some great mtb potential around there though like cannock chase.

test

>>149914681
why don't you brits ride in groups if you have that many deranged people on the road? it's much safer imo, it's also a necessary skill. Don't most lbs organize a ride for different types of cyclists?
saying to someone that is getting isto cycling that they need a varia and a bike fit night be a bit too much
It's also much more fun after you can hang around for the whole ride

>>149914711
filtered

Thomas said on his podcast that Plapp chuted in the neutral yesterday because he was waving at some Ausie fans and didn't see the rider in front of him.

https://youtu.be/8ARz6G2r-kM?t=308

>>149914721
moral winners bros, we're so back

yeah I'm thinking pog is about to break and lose 5 mins on jonas very soon

>>149914714
Group rides are a great idea if they have access to them. Group around me are insufferable cunty boomers. So I don't and many young people don't either. Varia and bike fit might be 400£ or something. Depends if he's on toe paths or planning on 400 miles a week.

But yeah cycling is dangeroys here, population is exploding and roads are getting very busy. A lot of pent up anger. A lot of distraction. A lot of indians and africans who have very poor spacial awareness. A lot of whites are moving out, in 10 years went from 80% white to 30% white in my post code. Wild.

>>149914721
the dutch website wielerflits is leading the charge

van Poppel Danny (Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe) will not appear at the start.

>>149914714
The roads here are generally narrow lanes and overcrowded with way too many crossroads and traffic lights in urban areas. They're full of Afghanis, Africans and Jeets who don't know how to drive, along with coke head wankers still bouncing to donk in leased germans, who think speeding makes their dick grow bigger. That's saying nothing of the completely unhinged bus drivers who have no spatial awareness and will happily plow you off the road and continue on, or white van men who deliberately aim to run you over. You don't know how bad it is here until you've lived it.

when johnny foreginers are coping more than danes on behalf of jonas you know its fucking over

>>149914764
Kek, basically this

Leave birmingham you mug. Get a cozy driving job or something in inverness. Cheap living, like 15 years ago in terms of culture and demographics. Weather is really not that bad, it changes a lot. 80-100k for a small terrace house.

What do you guys think Vinge really thinks, or believes at this point? Especially in light of stories like >>149914721

>>149914721
Even in defeat we still win!

kek

>>149914777
I'm not the brummie, I'm norf-anon. It's just as bad I have no doubt, only slightly less Pakis

>>149914778
I think vingegaard is delighted with the way things are going, he always says he's happy with his performances and that he only really looks at himself. i don't think he's really all that preoccupied with winning the tour de france i think he's trying to ride his best climbs and deliver good performances and getting all the satisfaction he needs from that

>>149914778
Jonas is a Week 3 believer

>>149914801
That's a pretty healthy way to look at life

DNS Van Poppel

>>149914778
I think there is some genuine truth in to vismoid tactics of winding pogi up. He's definitely going down the dark timeline path like Lance. Blacklisting riders? Even if it's funny, UAE and mudslime money are ruining and have ruined sports so on that grounds alone fuck team UAE. They're killing footie, tried to kill golf, killed snooker, killing athletics, so don't expect cycling to be any different. I expect jayco/alula or perhaps a new team to become a fully Saudi financed team in the near future. Pog's trying to keep his seethe under wraps but it's becoming more evident there is venom being fuelled in to him in the team culture. Meanwhile seems Vismoids stick to the plan and don't really care if it works or not. Jonas is an Alps rider and we'll have a definitive answer tomorrow after 3 horse climbs.

Daily reminder that cycling is the cleanest sport

Do you guys have 4chan pass or do you really wait all these seconds for every post??? Seems like a big waste of life...

>>149914846
I get 4chan pass for free as part of the shilling deal

Thanks for all of the advice for buying a bike, think I'm going to seriously start looking for something.

>>149914846
Tommy Robinson paid for mine as long as I post about how bad pakis are once on every board at least once a day

>>149914846
are you a dumb phoneposter Hans?

>>149914791
>scottish humor

>>149914846
I like doing captchas because it helps me digitize old books and I like to read books digitally on my kindle. If I do enough captchas in my lifetime maybe the next generation will get to read some of the books from the library of alexandria on their e-readers

>>149914800
British people are subhuman scum is my conclusion. They are very passive aggressive and selfish in general. You see that in many aspects of modern life. Showing aggression to cyclists and risking their life and safety because of their petty attitude is seriously grim. I think we're probably worst nation for it, maybe rivalling america with their deranged legit mentally ill boomers on prozac.

When I got hit on a busy roundabout only person to give a fuck and see if I was okay was a young trendy black dude lmao. Britain is a dead country. British people are retarded insufferable self interested cunts.

>>149914864
Time for baking 2 Pizzas wasted just to ask me this silly question.
>>149914880
Didn't know about the proofreading part. Makes it a bit more bearable

>da oil money
Is that gonna be the cope now.
A way to complain without blaming cycling directly
It's not the blatant doping/motors
It's not that three-four riders win every race all seasons? Those things are okay
But that damn Oil money!
>Mathieu is SOVLERINO because he buys his doping with Shampoo money

>>149913353
trvke

>>149914903
so you are a dumb phoneposter.
I've never had to wait to make a post
wisen up Hans

he's only gone a got a sponsorship!
huge fuck you to the ASO
chapeau PCS Bert

>>149914930
>hanging a flag to an electric pole nearby the wires
is he stupid or what?

>>149914881
I am one of the first to hate on the eternal angloid but no cagies are like this everywhere.

>>149914938
I mean have you seen his “quips”

>>149914803
what makes anyone believe that? I mean there is a non zero chance it happens, but it's probably in the 1-5% rather than 50%, till now vinge didn't manage to drop him at all and always pogi beat him at sprints

>>149914803
Honestly pogi has some issues with off days, or rather performances one day after.

>>149914978
it has nothing to do with "week three". if vingegaard still wins this tour it's because pogi has some viral infection, as simple as that. could happen to anyone.

>>149914938
what's stupid about that? i see birds sit on them all the time

>>149914994
I think he had a cold and probably that's why he didn't try to attack, I think he became more mature and realized that winning the yellow jersey is more important than risking for a stage win

>>149914938
>let me just hang this cringe flag close to this wir-ACK

>>149914939
imo Spain is really nice for cycling as far as cagies are concerned, better than here in my experience, at least around tourist areas
in poortugal it's usually fine unless you're close to cities then it gets a lot worse

>>149915011
if he had a cold last sunday (that's when he mentioned it), then he cannot possibly be fully recovered by now. even if the symptoms are mild, it will take anywhere from 5 to 10 days to shake it. he just needs to survive the two mountain stages, but i tell you, it's going to be tense.

Got an annoying pimple in the area between my balls and anus but it's not ripe enough to squeeze it out

>>149914656
>using dicks
>>149914449
is this another incarnation of Houellebecq's imaginarium

>Remco quits like a bitch
>team morale goes up
>they win a stage

kwab

>>149915136
but they already BAM'd 3 stages before yesterday. quick step is back like in the good old days.

big stage in the tour de france today. considering that vingegaard and pogacar are at the same level in the high mountains this is the kind of stage where visma labs need to make the difference

>>149915145
Sensing a big happening before the tour ends. Either a big crack, a crash or something else crazy like a Jonas stage win.

I failed as a man today
Had to say goodbye to my bike
It is getting repairs for a few days in the shop
That feel that I could not do it myself...

>>149915242
it's in good hands, bertaczek will take care of the repairs.

>>149915242
What was the job so I can judge you

Yet another rainy day and a comfy stage coming up

thinking of getting an aerobike next year
I already have a full mechanical light bike with rim brakes, don't really need 2 of those
but I don't want to waste too much money on a shit frane
any aero data out there? any decent manufacturer that doesn't weigh a ton? the Look from Cofidis looks very nice imo but I dunno

>>149914880
the 4chan captchas are computer generated and you don't digitize anything. that was OG reCaptcha from up to 2018 maybe

>>149915242
bike repair men need to make a living too. good on you!

>>149915307
If you want to go full paypig, just get something from a good brand with the features you want on discount. They're all pretty similar.

/cyc/ threads bring me peace
/cyc/ threads bring me comfort
/cyc/ threads bring me JOY!

>>149915326
nah, not a paypig, but I like getting decent stuff
but for me the most important thing is probably the looks and then quality.
life's too short to ride ugly ass shit

>>149914822
>Bobbie van Poppel

>>149915307
You're not going to like the answer I can tell

>>149914986
He drinks coffee and eats burgers on the rest day

>>149915452
This time he went and took a couple of koms on my local roads

The area I've cycled in with the worst cagies is italy. Even USA isn't as bad. Best was probably Spain.

>>149915477
this just means you didnt cycle in the worst places in USA

>>149915489
I don't know, Italians are terrible

>>149915477
I wonder why Italians are like that but not Spaniards

>>149915477
One thing is a lot of our nice roads are really out in the middle of no where. For example rural west virginia is a fantastic place to cycle, there is just nothing else there.

. In Europe the nice climbs and stuff all seemed to be near populated areas with a lot of tourists

>>149915498
I think that's mostly because Europe is populated everywhere, we don't really have any proper wilderness outside of scandinavia and possbly eastern europe. America from what I've seen on google street view seems to be either middle of nowhere with no houses as far as the eye can see, or suburbs.

>>149915307
The factor looks nice, cannot go wrong with specialized, it's light and probably not super aero but I'd wager it feels really, really nice and is still aero. Expensive as fuck though. Van Rysel looks like pure sex but it's heavy, 1-1.5kg heavier than most others. They seem to be really well priced, if I hadn't just gotten a bike I would probably look to a van rysel. Seems to be the best up and coming bike brand. Decathlon pro team are probably going to drive a lot of innovation for the van rysel bikes.

https://www.decathlon.co.uk/p/road-bike-rcr-f-pro-shimano-ultegra-di2-12v-purple/_/R-p-358168?mc=8913506&c=electric%20purple

Otherwise if you're boring and safe with your purchase I dare say canyon seems to be popular and ticks boxes. But I am always wary because the lack of support I've heard from berts ITT as well as IRL is a huge setback. And apparently they're not that cheap anymore.

>>149915518
Spain and France have wilderness

>>149915489
I cycled a decent amount. My daily route is the hills in golf courses and residential areas in the rich suburbs outside the city. The drivers here in the Tesla and BMWs are mostly chill, the most dangerous are the landscaping trucks. Early on the weekends is great though. I've biked plenty in the Appalachian area which i liked a lot. Plenty of roads that hardly get any traffic. Of course you need a car to get to them though. Colorado was probably the worst for drivers and traffic, but the most scenic climbs. On famous roads like pikes peak or Mt Evans most are good and even some drivers will cheer you on and stuff because it blows fat Americans mind someone would try riding a bike up a mountain.

>>149910296
>Tour du Poitou
imagine a Tour with only pic related stages

>>149915570
looks like home

Henlo
Yesterday's stage 16 was my first time watching a race
It was great
What a beautiful country

>>149915469
some nigga made that segment to statpad his strava only to find out that pogi destroyed his times

>>149915593
it was indeed great
also big fan of Tour de Langkawi on this very thread

>>149911755
Well, the owner of Amaury Sport Organisation said a long time ago that searching for dopers was bad for the business and it had to stop.

>>149915593
Good
Before you know it, you will be cheering on the peloton at the prestigious 29th Tour de Langkawi

>>149913185
wait, why would someone shop nicokado's ass on her lips?

>>149915307
Tour Magazin does independent wind tunnel tests
Probably not perfect, but the best we have afaik

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TaT0FcinEbW9b3bKZqf4T5yVaoGxdtsKXhRiva86_k4/edit?usp=sharing

>>149915607
>>149915612
Cheers lads. My father is a cycfag and he used to write about Tour de Langkawi for a local newspaper. I remember something about Graeme Brown? That must've been more than 20 years ago now. Time for me to pick up his mantle

Looks like another slurp stage

>>149915670
Based, an expension of the /cyc/ office to Asia was needed

How does Voeckler know what's on screen when commenting ?

>>149915670
https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/graeme-brown

Yes, first order of business - find out why it's called Tour of Langkawi when it barely takes place on the island.

>>149915543
From my personal experience the worse i've encountered is suburban areas in and around Houston and Atlanta. Extremely car-centered infrastructure excacerbates it but mainly the problem is how little regard the cagies have for the lives of anyone else. Before these experiences I always considered the most dangerous areas to be very windy mountain roads, but its hard to describe just how little regard for human life southern suburbanites have on the road

>>149914986
Pog can afford an off day or two, he's four minutes ahead. To lose he would need to implode spectacularly like on Loze.

>>149915743
do a lot of people in the big cities drive or just simply walk? if i lived in NYC i'd be biking and not driving for sure

can you bring a bike on the subway?

Vismabros... we're got another plan, we're fucking back

>>149915786
>"He'll have to do his own thing a bit, but Wout is still fresh. He gave good input in the meeting this morning."

>So what? "You'll see that later in our documentary. I can't tell you, because the enemy is listening, and another Belgian is the top favorite. Tim Merlier, yes. But Wout has something in mind."

Visma love the "we came up with a really, really good plan, the best plan, a wonderful plan but we're not going to tell you" line

if you wanna feel like how it is to ride on american roads with american minded cagies come and ride your bike on this stretch of road
the literal worst pieces of shit you have ever seen ride a car

>>149915803
visma are insufferable.

>>149914822
>bobbie van poppel
jesus christ dutch people choose the worst fucking names
I met people named Jip and Job last week

>>149915856
Job is a biblical name.

>>149915876
didn't ask

>>149915784
NYC yes, pretty much everywhere else no.

>>149915489
North Italians have superior complexes and NPD by default. Southern Italians have inferiority complexes and NPD by default.

>>149915876
So what, are you going to name your kids Ahimelech and Hophni?

>>149915856
this guy will always be the weirdest in the family

>>149915477
I find anywhere I've been in Europe is about the same. Dangerous and scary in (big) city roads, lovely time with lots of respect and patient cars in more rural and nature areas.

only exception would be Luxembourg, there I found cars extremely impatient and aggressive for some reason

>>149915897
I like Mordechai.

>>149915900
french is such a mickey mouse language

>>149915900
Cute :)

>>149915908
poor kid. just pick a gospel writer retard

made rice cakes today, first batch ever lets see if they taste any good. would be nice fuel for super long rides

Attention mon gars!!!

>>149915940
Let us know how they taste (:

i will NOT eat ze bugs

>>149915943
What were they thinking

I hope quickstep tries and drop fatty on the climbs

I've never owned a gravel bike, I've got up to £1200 so limited budget, and I'll be doing some camping/touring on it in the spring either Corsica or Tenerife/Canaries. What do berts think of this?
https://www.decathlon.co.uk/p/microshift-sword-1x10v-grvl-af-gravel-bike-brown/_/R-p-348802
My road bikes are my dad's old Claude Butler steel frame from the 70s and old Raleigh (was also his) from the 80s.

>>149916007
yeah because merlel can climb

>>149915806
There is a Louisiana museum of modern art in denmark

>>149915626
these are all heavy ass bikes damn
>>149915906
maybe because almost no one lives there and they have to endure insane traffic everyday just to get in? never rode a bike there but it's what I recall from going there on work
>>149915527
I've seen the VR live and it doesn't look that bad yeah, but I dunno, it just doesn't appeal that much to me, same with sworks (also Cannondale is the only American brand I'd ever consider)
maybe I'm a snowflake and need something special that pleases my tism
the aurum looks nice too but I dunno about it being aero
so far the look 795 Blade rs is the one I liked the most, after that the time scylon.
but right now even a custom sartro doesn't look that expensive by comparison

man, i wish pogi would actually fight in these intermediate sprints, it would make m*lan seethe hard

>>149915959
a little bit sticky still, but very delicious. could be sweeter - will add some agave DICKSAFT to the next batch. from me calculations, I got 20pcs out of one batch and its around 80kcal per batch which is not a lot. will calculate how many g of carbs later

>>149916008
That genuinely looks brilliant. Cheap, cable discs, loads of mounting points. Decathlon are really number 1 right now IMO.

>Bertina got too drunk and told her parents I was bad at sex

Ciclismos for this feel?

>>149916008
get pink one

>>149914776
do people in France still buy magazines?

>>149916059
This

>>149916065
Old people

>>149916065
no guns allowed

>>149916044
That's what I thought too, seems very affordable and the mount points are fantastic. Got to make sure I put it through the cycle to work scheme, thanks anon.
>>149916059
My daughter would love it but unless it's half the price I won't.
>>149916065
>Je suis Charlie was 10 years ago

>>149914930
why does /cyc/ hate on PCS? I thought he was based since he was banned by reddit?

>>149916021
Why not pic related since you love french bikes?

>>149916094
Reddit hates them for reddit reasons

>>149916042
Oh I would have expected more than 80 kcal... do you mean 800? Even then, agree that's not huge.

I've toyed with the idea of make mochis for my long bike rides, equally as sticky but will be able to shove more calories in. Simple sugars from the white sugar and some more complex carbs from the rice flour and bean paste on the inside.

>>149916021
I think those Look's are fucking hideous personally. They look unique though instead of the aggressive ultra aero shape. They seem more slick and curvy. With the big established brands I doubt you can go wrong though. Their warranty looks good and it seems they have crash replacement program too which is a huge plus.

>>149916027
he could get all three jerseys EASILY, he just doesn't want to spoil the fun for sprinters and climbers. yet /cyc/ is trying to convince me he's an asshole

>>149916096
what reasons

>>149916094
>why does /cyc/ hate on PCS?
hardly a hate, but they're kinda sloppy lately. firstcycling often got startlists and results faster than PCS. also the way they beg for donations is cringe unducing

>>149915494
>>149915493
I think it all comes down to the fact that italians consider rules and laws more as recommendations than things you have to follow

chute Barre

i just found out today that simmons is apparently a giga magapede

>>149916094
Why did reddit ban PCS?

>>149916117
Not yaas queening from the first women's "grand" tour.

>>149915543
Yeah, I'm sure people in Colorado are blown away by seeing cyclists....

this is that fucking FAGGOT euro that uses a VPN and constantly sucks Pogacars cock
kys

>>149916127
That's why reddit hate him with such unbridled fury. It only makes him even more based.

>>149916101
no 80 (eighty) kcal per piece (which is not small aswell, like 60% the size of a cliff bar). so caloric wise it is not dense at all

>>149916130
because he tweeted he didn't really enjoy watching womens cycling

>>149916149
lmao

>>149916149
reddit is a disaster

>>149916049
torque intervals

>>149916149
based king

>>149916095
never heard of that brand tbqh
it's not that I love french brands (I do), it's more of an aesthetic thing, some Italian brands also thick my boxes especially in the past. we are all rational beings most of our lives, so I try to pick my bikes with the opposite approach: does this bike appeal to me? does it make me want to ride it? do I like looking at it? after that I select the best I can from a technical pov.
my job demands the absolute necessity of being objective and making the right decisions at all times, so I like to leave some decisions to my heart outside of it
>>149916104
well it's all in the eye of the beholder

>>149916021
It's stock builds, you can easily weight weenie them all to 6.8kg if you want to. Weight isn't a big factor for performance though unless you're doing hill climbs.

>>149916203
whats your budget?

>>149916203
>never heard of that brand tbqh
you've seen their bikes a lot of times

>>149916223
not sure yet
I'm a bit overwhelmed by current bike pricing, it's ridiculous and not worth a fraction of what they ask, I'm not even joking
ideally id hunt for a nos frame or build and see where it goes

>>149916127
Kek what a beast

>>149916230
chinese open mold? meh

>>149916258
can I interest you in some german engineering?

>Dieulefit
>God made it
Cool town name

>>149916258
business idea: just get a set of aero wheels for your current bike. that will be 200 Euros consultancy fee + tip.

>>149916127
Him and Chloe Dygert. They were basically forced by their teams to stop posting things on social media for it.
Dygert got a bit milder after her injury and divorce though. More Jesus than Trump.

CHUTE POGACAR

>>149916258
how do you feel about china bike brands?

your farsports, your yoleos, your x-labs, your winspaces, your lightbicycles

INEOSbros... we're fucking back

Ineos tired of slurping

Go ineos drop that fatass

>>149916275
this is just basically an OEM
most brands are essentially OEM

here's how carbon bicycle manufacturing works:
you have a company funded by investors
company pays marketers and industrial designers to come up with a vibe
the industrial designers are the 'engineers' at these companies
they come up with a certain look they want the bikes to have because it makes them look cool, fast, aero, etc
they model the frame up in CAD and send that to a factory in China
China factory gets the CAD, they give it to real engineers whom they employ, who then go about figuring out how to manufacture that frame to the industrial designers desires
the engineers in the factory do all the actual engineering of the frame to get it to fit to the aesthetics the IDs and marketers want
the factory then makes the frame, paints the brand logo on it ships it back

>G pulling
Definition of a slurper.

Brailsford's at the wheel

>jorgenson at the back
kwab

>>149916361
it's SIR brailsford. they have nothing to lose, but all just blew up lol.

imitation tactics

road frames are the biggest fucking scam ever
look how much an S-Works enduro frame WITH a top end shock costs
this frame is 3x more expensive to manufacture than a road frame

wololo

>>149916392
the fuck is that

total sprinter death

why are they calling Simmons 'captain america' constantly?
seems disrespectful desu

Simmons pas normal

>>149916203
I was a bit joking. Since you already have a bike it's 100% about how it looks and I agree the Look is quite nice. Personally if I was budget free as you seem to be I'd just go for some double triangle retro looking frame like standaert or even more hipster some custom steel.

>>149916405
TSD!!!

milan and merlier both lachee

>>149916394
kek

>>149916286
already have those, and also a climbing set
>>149916313
my 50mm carbon tubulars wheels from far sports weigh less than 1100g with sapin spokes, are more than a decade old, never had to be trued or serviced and I had excellent and fast support when I changed to campy years ago
honestly, as far as wheels go, I will either go campy or chinese, not even interested in anything else
but not for frames, I dunno, my eyes need to like it first

>>149916412
because he's wearing the jersey and it's funny

kwab

>>149916412
We call him MAGA Joe Dirt.

>>149916412
Capeshit is the biggest cultural export you have

say what you want but visma lab invented "making the race hard" and now it seems like everyone is doing it

>>149916418
I have a old double triangle steel frame that I keep in my parents house
not a fan of steel, and also I already said I wanted to go aero

Reminder that Wout hasn't won a TdF stage since 2022

>>149916443
all culture is american. all the movies you watch, the people you pay attention to. all of it. your 'countries' are nothing but american cultural colonies

>>149916412
because it's funny. they call him like that on a team radio too

>Flat sprint stage
When is the next Jonas """attack""" kwab stage?

>>149916457
steel frames ride like fucking shit and I'm tired of pretending they don't
modern hydroformed aluminum frames are way more comfortable

>>149916457
Sure, just wanted to have an excuse to pure sexo bikes. Have you looked at decathlon. They have new nice color scheme for their rcr and honestly I like the look as well.

>>149916474
Tomorrow.

>>149916470
I only watch chinese media thank you

the green jersey is a joke

>>149916127
I dont even like him but the fact that reddit has a meltdown everytime hes mentioned is reason enough to hope he can win a stage. Sadly hes too retarded to do that.

Reminder that Wout lost a sprint against 2025 Memco

>>149916470
I haven't watched an American film in years. I only watch films worth watching.

>>149916405
You've got to be joking
Sprinting is the purest form of cycling

>>149916470
>Film stolen by Edison
>Goat film created by rusberts
>Goat album created by bongs
>Goat book created by frogs
You've got nothing but slop

>>149916377
>there will be massive tariffs implemented if you do not stop attacking

>>149916495
they need to rework points system if they want it to be sprint classification

Do you think you or the average /a/non could get at least 1 jersey point (either mountain or sprint jersey) throughout the whole of the TDF? Added bonus that the time cut doesn't apply to you so you can slow down on stages that are too hard.

Pogacar should go for the Green. Several favourites dropped put, and the current Points leader gets dropped on the smallest incline.

>>149916481
>They have new nice color scheme for their rcr
In the austrian stores they only have the black one, you got a pic?

kek. lidl - trek working hard

>>149916531
No.

Just tuned in. What happened so far today?

rolling for a mass chute

>>149916524
The already reworked it so it's NOT a pure sprint classification. They don't want it to be for sprinters fully, so if they want to stop the GC guys winning it they need to give more points for intermediate sprints, probably.

>>149916531
I weigh around 60kg but I'm in my mid-30s and out of form/fitness so speaking for myself, no.

>>149916558
nothing

>>149916546
>Why did we not bring Mads
Probably what he is saying

I miss Remco and MVDP

>>149916531
I don't think a single bert could hold onto the peloton for the first 5 minutes of most stages. The power everyone does at the start is obscene. Likes of Martinez almost gets dropped every flat stage early on.

The level is incomprehensible.

>>149916566
Slurpie mcslurp stage this deep in the Tour?

>>149916576
what about against the women

>>149916584
they all have pneumonia now nothing will happen for the rest of the race

>>149916531
Most everyone here would get dropped by the peleton immediately even on the most slurpiest of stages

>>149916593
>what about against the women
Gigante and Realini would drop you on every climb like it's unreal

>>149916576
Hmm i read somewhere a fit amateur could finish a whole flat stage if he hides in the pedalton.
Dont they post their wattages sometimes and they arent that insane if they decide not to sprint?

>>149916576
This. MAYBE finnbert could have a shot, but would need all the stars to align.
>>149916593
>what about against the women
The women pros still outpower 99% of men, so a chance, but still a slim one.

>>149916524
How much more can they appeal to sprinters? The thing is already a borderline farce

UAE should pace full out all day to OTL milan for the maximum seethe

>>149916605
I am pretty confident I could ride most flat stages in the w*men peloton

>>149916576
finnbert has some watts

I'm trying to get my wife to 4w/kg before the end of the year
she only just got to 3w/kg so I think I'll just cut off her arms

Quinn Simmons supercombative or ASO is biased

>>149916605
German Bert is way stronger

Even more than pure power I don't think any amateur could handle the anxiety of sitting in the middle of the bunch all day, maintaining your position ect. unless you race a bunch of crits or something. Most here would be dangling off the back for a bit but then get dropped after the first hard acceleration of the peleton

>>149916645
How exactly is this unmanageable for a fit amateur?

Giro is such a slurpage compared to this

>>149916657
44 km/h avg.?

Saw the guy across the road from me get back from a cycle on a Wilier and start doing some gay ass stretches in his front garden

>>149916593
The pack fillers are like 3rd cat level mens, if that. A few drops riders when they were a team came to race in the local thursday night races. Dropped within 5 laps pretty much every time. But a local KoM was held by Lizzie Armistead for a while, even the mens one. Massive gap between top level women and the rest. THe men however tapers gradually from WT to amatuer. A lot of Conti riders could do the tour and survive.

>>149916657
totale arbeid: 3.379 kJ
4 hours of riding and it's only worth a Double Big Mac?

>>149916720
>3000kcal
around 10 big macs

>>149916720
That is why the first advice to anyone wanting to lose weight is "eat less", and not "exercise more".

>>149916720
off by a magnitude bert

>>149916605
>>149916616
Yeah maybe he could on the easier stages. You'd need a serious amount of recovery from surges unless it's one of the very easy stages. We've seen it get really strung out the past few years on simple stages. I don't know his watts but I remember he did fairly well at nats. But finnish nats are very different to the biggest race in the world where 18 teams fight to get a rider in a break + fight to keep riders out the break.

>>149916678
Okay that is probably a little difficult, but as i said, if you hide well in the pedalton with a good aerobike/gear i dont think its that impossible for some amateurs i know. Maybe the most difficult thing would be to stay mentally sharp and focussed for 4 hours.
>>149916720
Strava kJ are rough estimates at best imo

>>149916738
But I did 5 minutes of walking around the block, I deserve to treat myself to a doughnut.

>>149916732
one big mac is like 600

>Back to slurper stages

Good. I was missing my nap.

>>149916738
"But my garmin+treadmill told me I burn 800kal an hour"

If I had a pound every time a casual told me this and then having to tenderly explain they've probably burned 1/4 to 1/3 of that lmao.

>>149916605
>>149916751
Would anon be able to keep up on the final stage (ride into paris) or would that not count as they'd get absolutely blown the fuck out on the final laps/sprint finish?

>>149916758
ah yes, that was per 100g value, about 5 bigmacs then

Yea gonna take nap aswell

>>149916769
I could probably handle the ceremonyíal ride. At the first acceleration I would be gassed or more likely have chuted on the cobbles.

>>149905574 (OP)
m*lan puts everyone from lidl at work instead of going in the breakaway only to lose again

>>149916751
How could finbert not handle this >>149916657
? I see no reason

>>149916763
I think it's something like 80-100 kcal per 1.5km depending on the intensity.

Second stage

>>149916795
>chuted on the cobbles
Within the last 5km?

WAAR IS WOUT???

Moet W24T just niks anymore this Tour?

>>149916811
Champs Elysee is cobbled. I'd have chuted the instant I hit them.

>>149916641
i mean this is not a hot take or anything, this is what everyone knows and agrees. riding in peloton and fighting for position is the hardest thing to learn for a pro cyclist

I love captain america is keeping the flowing blonde waves of hair streaming from his helmet
feels very americana

>>149916799
I can't see the peak powers though that's all that matters. My dad could handle 4hr at 240w. Could he handle the surges which force you into 400w for 10 minutes? No.

It depends on what the surges and terrain is like. Because if Martinez suffers greatly at the start of some stages I'd struggle to see an amateur aka finbert hanging on too. He probably could do a stage, maybe a few if it's not too hard and it's flat. But if he could handle them all then get him a pro contract asap.

It's about your 3-15 minute powers at the start nothing else, most here could cruise on long flat days for a few hours until it heats up.

>>149916840
unironically feels like quin will show up at my house at any time, drink all my beer, call me bro a few times and then disappear into the sunset

How long until they finish, approximately?

>>149916847
I'd be more interested in seeing anons try and do descents.

>>149916840
I love him too for that. No aero-maxing bullshit. no Memco chemo head. Just nice hair and testosterone

>>149916866
thx, so about 1hr+
gonna head to the store quick then

>>149916127
But G told me that he had a good chat with Simmons yesterday in the gruppetto and that he's a good bloke?

Riders been getting pinged very very early this tour, which I've not really seen before. I do wonder what numbers they push for those periods. I aslo wonder what likes of Milan does over a hilly or mountain stage. The hilly stage Yates won he was pinged within the first 15 minutes maybe less and the group seemed to go almost full gas. Saw him going over the penultimate climb suffering like a dog to hold the wheel.

Level is absolutely incredible.