Why is Australia so much better at sport than Canada? It's something I've wondered for a while. They're both former British colonies, both wealthy, both large and both have a similar population. But whereas Australia is a bonafide sporting powerhouse, Canadians don't really excel at much other than ice hockey. Compare their performances in the Olympic Games for example. The Aussies almost always finish in the top 10 in the medals table, whereas Canada never really get more than a handful of medals. Even much smaller, Central European nations like Hungary frequently mog Canada. Is it just an issue of climate that explains the difference between the two, or is there more to it than that?

>>150099880 (OP)
I must have really ass blasted you more than I thought in the other thread KWAB

>>150099912
I genuinely have no idea what you're referring to. This is honestly my first post on spee today.

>>150099880 (OP)
You have to compare Aussie summer games performance to Leaf winter games performance - Canadians only care about winter sports and golf.

>>150099880 (OP)
They only play hockey and winter sports. Australians play everything

>>150099880 (OP)
Climate. Canada is too cold.

>>150099880 (OP)
Demography can't be the reason, Canada has a slightly larger population and both countries are quite similar: Anglos together with many other Euros, more recently plenty of Chinese and Indians. Canada even has more black people, and that has led to them having some great sprinters over the years: they're almost all Jamaicans
Wealth level is also similar
I think climate plays a role, it can lead to a different sports culture in which certain sports are more appreciated. That doesn't necessarily mean Australia's climate is better for sports, because I think the actual difference is what is built on top of that difference: the founding and focus. Australia is great at swimming, and the foundation of it may be related to Australia's climate and overall culture, but that's what led them to funding swimming and developing a proper industry. And you can get tons of Olympic medals in swimming after all, the Olympics don't solely dictate how good a nation is at sports overall.
I'm just going to assume that Australia puts more money into a good sports system overall. That would make a huge difference

>>150100237
Can you explain Stephen Bradbury?

Well the two most popular sports in the world are soccer and basketball and we are probably better than aussies at both right now. I would feel condifent about Canada vs Australia soccer game and we are ranked top 5 in the world in basketball and beat them at the last olympics

90% of summer olympics sports are some nonsense like swimming , cycling, rowing, etc . The most relevant displine is track and field where we came 2nd in the world athletics medal table last time around if you focus strictly on athletics we came 3rd at the last olympics

and yes before you ask I'm black

Canada, think of all the cricket bants you could have had

>>150100450
Are you black?

>>150099880 (OP)
if you dont care about swimming than you are going to have about 50% less medals than countries who take 20 different versions of swimming 4 lengths of the pool very seriously, like australia does.

>>150100401
His Olympic win was a meme, but generally speaking, Australia has the wealth to entertain ice skating facilities, these are better than outside areas for training. Australia isn't all hot desert, they know snow and ice in certain areas. The overall global pool of athletes in that sport is very small, so getting to the top is comparatively easy if you have some sports culture and the funding that goes with it

Canada just doesn't really have any sports infrastructure outside of hockey. I. Think it's partially due to history. The original NHL was 2 teams in Canada and 4 in the USA. We grew up on the franchise style of sports teams rather than the pro rel version and combining with the USA. Therefore we have no real clubs, we have little to no investment in sports and our geography is complicated as you mentioned ( Toronto to Miami is 2000km Toronto to Vancouver is 3500km) making startup leagues challenging.

Most of the strives in recent years in sports have nothing to do with Canada sports federations themselves. Canada is easily a top 4/5 country in basketball right now and we have the most players in the NBA outside of America. That's largely due to NCAA scouts looking at toronto and montreal for recruitment and bringing them down to america to play. Most of our soccer players are from guys who came up either from MLS academies or went NCAA route than MLS draft ( tajon Buchanan, Moises bombito and Alastair Johnston) rather than homegrown Canadian clubs. I mean hell for the longest time if you wanted to grow pro in soccer in Canada there was no possible way. Canada has had very strong performances in athletics at the most recent world athletics championships and the Olympics but once again that's largely due to guys going down to the states to train. The CFL features crumbling infrastructure and it's popularity is mostly held on by Midwest teams and boomers, although the grey cup tends to pull 3-4 million viewers in Canada which is about in par with what the world cup final typically does here

for a very very long period of time there was virtually no public investment in any summer olympic training facilities here. it was viewed as a total meme, and even when somebody managed to win an olympic medal at the summer olympics they would be forgotten within a month. most of the sport training facilities they have now are either funded by a pro team as a development program, or else a university finally builds a 50m pool, a soccer field, or whatever on their campus and then they just use that for the olympic training facility. the government, at any level, rarely ever funds or initiates the construction of sports infrastructure projects.

>>150100785
Someone should make a movie about his story. He's from Brisbane it's a sub-tropical city where people grow mango trees in their gardens. It's incredible what he achieved possibly one of the greatest sporting victories of all time, and he did train his arse off for years and had a life threatening injury which he came back from.
He is if the Jamaican bobsled team or Eddie the Eagle had won gold

>>150100800
Australia overcomes the geography issue by holding state championships for every sport and local competitions for team sports. It's very layered from the juniors up in every sport, so for example in cricket there'll be a club with a senior (adult/open) team and a few junior teams (age limit/youth) every few suburbs in the major cities and in many country towns (even places with <1000 pop.) and they play amateur or semi pro against the nearest other clubs. This goes for whichever football code(s) are most predominant in that area and also other sports like tennis.
I don't really know but I don't see that in Canada with hockey or gridiron whereas Australia has towns of 50k with multiple football clubs all with junior teams along with athletics, swimming and etc. That's why they're so good at many things it's junior participation and grassroots support

>>150101195
Australia is a massive exception though, they are very good . Unironcally nither you are the uk flag can hold an candle to them in sports either

>>150099880 (OP)
after the australian women got no medals in the swimming in the montreal olympics in 76, the australian government set up the australian institute of sport (AIS) to identify and coach potential olympic athletes.
swimming is targeted as a source of national pride, for the olympics and commonwealth games.
the AIS also does research to find out the 'cheapest' way to get olympic medals, i.e. what sports can be invested the least in to see a potential medal return.

>>150099912
fpwp

>>150100237
>they're almost all Jamaicans
Wealth level is also similar

Facts the GTA has a lot of them. Just coming off of caribana this year

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>>150099880 (OP)
they do pretty well at the winter olympics

>>150102235
Canada is doomed

>>150102313
seething white boi

>>150100800
The professionalization of basketball and soccer, in the sense we have pro leagues of those sports now only happened recently so I suspect we will continue to improve in those two.

>>150100450
>90% of summer olympics sports are some nonsense like swimming
>swimming is nonsense
we're reaching levels of cope that shouldn't be possible

>>150102988
Look man I don't believe mean it in a bad way because I think Australia is very good at sports overall and like how broadly represented they are. But c'mon man most Olympic displines are some Bs. Korea did well and literally all their medals came in fencing and Archery. Swimming has got like a gazillion events

>>150103048
Swimming is as important as athletics in the summer games, you can't just dismiss it because your country sucks at it. Canada has Summer McIntosh now who is smashing the Australian womens team and is basically a Katie Ledecky quality athlete (goat), so you're not even bad at it any longer

>>150099880 (OP)
We do fine at the winter Olympics. Broke the record for most golds in 2010

>>150100614
Demographics suggest they'll be able to have more cricket bants than they ever wanted or needed soon

>>150106649
First time I ever saw cricket played in public was a year ago. Now I see it all the time. It's kinda weird. Still don't know the rules though lmao.

>>150099880 (OP)
>The Aussies almost always finish in the top 10 in the medals table, whereas Canada never really get more than a handful of medals.
Canada 11th overall in 2024
Canada 11th overall in 2022
Australia 4th overall in 2024
Australia 18th overall in 2022
hmmmm

>>150099880 (OP)
Maybe a more general question, but how did Australia develop the best institutions compared to their Anglo peers? As a whole, it seems like Australia performs exceptionally well across so many metrics, and you see it in the health of the people. Just take a look at how fucking ugly English women are compared to Aussie women, it’s clearly a reflection of quality of life. The only uniquely bad things about Australia that I can think of off the top of my head were the Covid restrictions and abos huffing gas (lol). Yeah yeah immigration, real estate…all these problems affect the other Anglo countries too and usually in a worse way. So what’s the secret cunts? I may relocate to my work’s Australia office since you get paid better with significantly nicer benefits.

>>150106822
Our fatness rates aren't too far behind yours, so don't get fooled by photos of attractive Australian athletic women, that is not the average.

Weather is decent all year around, so outdoor activities are more popular. There's nice beaches everywhere, everyone learns to swim as a child. The country is sports mad, potentially to the point of taking it too far. Pay is also high because unions are very strong, just like they were in the US in the 1950s. One of the political parties is the union party, the other is the neolibs, so the whole political system is a step left of the US, where the "left wing" party is the neolib party, while the right-wing is the even more extreme neolib party. Illegal migration is also mostly not a thing just because of geography, there's no border with other countries to hop, there's just a gigantic ocean. Much of the way the country turned out is just due to geography though a lot of good decisions were made too.

>>150106822
The sun of the beautiful Southern hemisphere cleanses your soul, a barely touched continent to spread out on after being stuck on a small, rainy, miserable island warmed even the coldest Anglo heart even just a generation into colonisation

>>150099880 (OP)
Beta North Americans weened on corn syrup

>>150106921
>thread comparing australian sporting prowess with canadian lack thereof
Why are you spouting off about politics and America and immigration?

>>150101427
We're have the odd world champion in a few different sports, we've had runners and cyclists and rowers and swimmers and our rugby team is good and we've a few exceptionally good soccer players and golfers. Not as good as Australia though and for different reasons

>>150106921
I live in Florida and claim we have infinitely nicer beaches, but the average American is less likely to go outside for some reason. My guess is that they’re so used to being inside something, a house, a car, an office, that they find it too uncomfortable to be hot and sweaty outside. I shit you not, one of my friend’s wife (fat white bitch) was asking how she could lose weight and her husband accidentally said she could try walking with him outside during lunch. She then complained that she gets sweaty and icky doing that and that was a no go.
Tbe clear I’m talking about the average American; there are plenty of places/people here where the locals are active (eg Colorado) but the McAmerican cannot bear seeing the sun like some southern hemisphere cunts apparently.
>>150106967
You, like most aussies, certainly have a way with words lol

>>150100450
where did you guys place in the last soccer world cup?

>>150099880 (OP)
Pozzies USED to be a sporting powerhouse, but that hasn't been the case for a long time. Their rugby team is mediocre, they haven't produced a good, male tennis player in decades and they're terrible at football (despite the massive wog population). The only sport they're legitimately good at is cricket and as we all know, cricket isn't a real sport. Oh wait, I forgot, they're also good at stat padding medals in the 10,000 different meme swimming events at the Olympics.

Absolutely fraudulent nation tbqhwy.

>>150099938
He's the bbcjeet

>>150107581
>the endlessly butthurt bong upset they can’t field a competent swim team
Also there’s an Australian leading the formula 1 championship right now, yet another sport invented by Brits that Australia is better at

>>150099880 (OP)
>>150099912
>>150099938
>>150100000
>>150100177

Since when was Australia better than Canada inm sports?

Soccer - Canada is better
American Football - Canada is better
Baseball - Canada is better
Basketball - Canada is better
Hockey - Canada is better

What other sports are there?

Swimming at the Olympics which Australia is a super power in... Canada beat them in swimming last year too

What exactly does Australia do besides cricket, Aussie-rules football and rugby union?

>>150107581
>Their rugby team is mediocre
Union team got grouped last wc (this is very bad for them) and just last week lost the Lions series 2-1 (this isn't bad). But they've won the wc twice, which is good.
Their league team won the most recent wc (third time in a row and for the 12th time overall).
Honestly, Australia is the number one rugby nation overall and will be for quite some time even if they stop winning

>>150107625
>American Football - Canada is better
>Baseball - Canada is better
>Basketball - Canada is better
>Hockey - Canada is better

nobody cares outside of NA, big man

>>150107664
Well let's do it like this

US is the Big Daddy next door Canada has to compete with
>Canada crushes the US in hockey
>Canada is as good or greater than US in soccer
>Canada just won MVP of the NBA (and the championship)
>Canada has Canadian-Rules football which prepares them to compete vs the US in American better than any other version of football
>Canada is much better positioned to beat the US in baseball than UK or Australia

Who is the Big Daddy Australia competes with, the UK right?
>can the Aussies hang with the UK in rugby and cricket?
>if so thats the only two team sports of any relevance to anyone outside Australia, NZ and Fiji

So Canada is clearly more impressive than Australia in sports

>>150107625
>amerishart sports

>>150107746
Again, no one cares about your NA sports. We trounce them in the Olympics (the only one people care about) every 4 years, in Paris we doubled their medal tally.

In the international game, soccer, we made it out of group (a group with Denmark and France) but lost to the eventual champions, Argentina, in the round of 16 in the last WC. How did Canada fair? They failed to record a single victory. 3 Losses and straight on the plane back home. So they aren't better than us at soccer.

>>150107787
Yes American sports, that's the big dog next to Canada that Canada has to compete with

comparing how well Canada competes with their Big Dog neighbor to how Australia competes...
>AUS only competes in two shitty team sports nobody cares about:
>1) rugby union
>2) cricket

It's safe to say if Canada just wanted to focus on two shitty sports that nobody cares about like rugby union and cricket that they would blow Australia out of the water in every way possible in both

>>150107848
lol imagine caring about povertyflop

>>150107848
Right now are you really trying to say Australia > Canada is soccer? If so you're a total idiot who literally does not follow soccer at all, and a lot of people on here do and all of them think you are the dumbest dude imaginable if you're trying to claim AUS is currently greater than CAN in soccer

The other international game is basketball, and Canada is curbstomping Aussies in that too

>>150099880 (OP)
Vitamin D exposure

>>150107848
Basketball isn’t just an NA sport these days, Europe care, Aus and NZ both care just are well behind.

>>150107602
motor"""sports""" aren't sports. engines aren't athletes

>>150100155
You have that backwards. Australia needs to get their heads out of their asses if they want to be as relevant as the rest of the anglosphere in sports. Or they can just focus om surfing and swimming and just be good in that. That's cool too

>>150107901
Why wouldn't Australia be better considering we performed better at the last major international tournament? Canada got 0 wins with their supposed amazing team. If your barometer for how good a team is at soccer is how well they perform against the US, man many teams must be amazing.

>>150107955
Name the stars for Canada and tell me how well they did in Europe and Champions League
Now do the same for Australia
This what us people that follow soccer do while you are over there trying to figure out a sport (soccer) that you have never heard of before today

>>150107955
Canada had two semi finalists and Belgium in their group, you or they had no chance.

2026 World Cup

Teams qualified
>Canada
>Australia
>USA
Not so fast, England (it's just a matter of time until they quality as all they have to do is win a group with Serbia, Albania, Latvia and Andorra, and they already 3-0

So for World Cup 2026, hosted by Canada and the US, we need an Anglosphere groups
>England
>US
>Canada
>Australia
Most of us native English-speakers want it, so lets just skip the draw in Dec and make it happen

>>150107076
>corn syrup
mate...

>>150107971
Relax Todd Boehly, with their MASSIVE star power like you say, how could they not amass ONE win? Davies, David and co and they couldn't do it. Club performance has 0 impact for their national team when they can't get out of groups at the WC.

>>150108172
>US
>Canada
A WC group cannot have two teams from the same confederation with the exemption of UEFA because of the number of spots they have and how many groups there can be

>>150107625
lol stop aussies are hands down better

>>150108242
well for starters the world cup was nearly 3 years ago. The players we had starting for us are mostly at differnt teams ( over half our starters were in MLS in 2022), a lot of differnt players and not even the same manager. For a more recent perfomrance we made the semi finals of the copa america last summer and should have came 3rd if it wasnt for a choke to urugauy near the end

but either way yes I stand by that I would feel Canada is better right now than Australia. Mind you ti isnt clear cut

>>150108369
versus Australia's best 11

>>150107848
>We trounce them in the Olympics (the only one people care about) every 4 years, in Paris we doubled their medal tally.
we had six times your medals in beijing

>2016 aussie - 29
>2026 canada - 22

>>150108242
Canada was in a tough group last WC.

>>150099880 (OP)
We only really play winter sports + golf and lacrosse. We outperform Australia in the winter olympics, they outperform us in the summer (although they are swimming merchants and rarely achieve medals outside that discipline)

>>150109552
At least Australia and New Zealand are both consistently good at something. That's sport powerhouse. Our sports winnings are all over the place.

>>150109683
Eh who cares, hockey is the best sport anyway

>open spee
>say some bullshit to annoy burgers
>close spee
all in a days work

>>150100450
>some nonsense like swimming , cycling
the fuck

>>150102235
>>150102254
>>150102542
fine people

>>150107625
My profiling is flawless, Yankbro
>>150109552
>We only really play winter sports + golf

>>150099880 (OP)
Australia is extremely good at swimming, Canada is okay at it (mainly carried by Summer McIntosh, but having her means you can't be that shit all in all). It extends to niche sports like kayaking etc to a degree and guarantees Australia a lot more summer Olympic medals. They do have the better program for that. But Canada is the stronger winter sport nation, which isn't surprising
I wouldn't say the difference is that severe. Canada is probably the best at ice hockey, which is a non-global sport Australia basically doesn't play. Australia is arguably the best at cricket, which is a non-global sport Canada basically doesn't play. Australia is better at rugby, Canada is better at basketball. Australia is better at rugby than Canada is at basketball, but basketball probably is the more global and competitive sport.
They are about even in football and athletics, with different strengths (Canada has the better sprinters, Australia has the better middle distance runners. Gout Gout is a big sprinting talent from Australia, though). Same for tennis. Australia is better at cycling as far as I am aware, but it's not extreme
Canada is better at baseball and gridiron football, but Australia doesn't play these at all. Australia is the only country in the world to really care about Australian football, they are the best at that

>>150111765
>Australia is extremely good at swimming
lol no their women carries all their swimming medals just like the US.

>>150099880 (OP)
Because 80% indians vs 60% indians

>Be penal colony
>invent slightly different version of rugby

Grim.

We exclusively play different sports the fuck kind of retarded thread is this from a brit of all people. One of them is an arid wasteland the other is a frozen wasteland, yet both somehow more appealing than staying with other Brits in the land of overcast