Thread 150121753

Why is this football now

>>150121753 (OP)
Jewish-american influence

>>150121753 (OP)
You chose this. Now deal with it.

To legitimise the fix, they can draw whatever the fuck they want

So should the offside rule be based on vibes instead?

>>150121920
No but the game should have the least amount of technology as possible. No more VAR, no more sensors on the ball, none of that shit. The whole point of offsides is to prevent players from camping next to the goal, if a player was a nanometer offside and the linesman didn't see it then oh well just keep play going. That's how it was for 100+ years before VAR and it was fine.

>>150121753 (OP)
I remember this and it was so hilarious when the butthurt Danes tried to "argue" that i was so close and thus shouldn't be called offside.
Like nigga how retarded are you, is this really your line of argumentation. Offside is offside lmao.

>>150121753 (OP)
>Did we go to far?
number 8 did

>>150121920
yes, let me decide the vibes on offsides

>>150121753 (OP)
VAR/instant replay is a cancer propagated by statniggers to ruin all sports.

>>150121920
Lmao Panama bro gets it

>>150122039
We can discuss if we want to use the technique altogether, yes ok. But if we use it there's no need to cry like a little bitch if it works to the nanometer exact. Offside is a definite yes/no decision, simple as.

How would you fix this?

>create a margin of tolerance
Alright. The player is not offside if it's a difference of 5cm or less. Unfortunately, your striker was 5.1cm offside and your club is eliminated. There will always be tight calls.
>the whole part of the body has to be offside. Not just the tip of the boot or whatever
Okay. Goal disallowed because the foot/leg was fractionally ahead of the defender's. Nothing changed.
>the striker's whole body has to be ahead of the defender's
Goal allowed because the tip of the defender's boot was right aligned with the striker's heel.
Any suggestions?

>>150122222
like this >>150122056

>>150121753 (OP)
I think it's fine. But they should use real-life images. Precision matters, and having a tolerance area will only open further discussion. If the tolerance is 5cm and someone is 1cm past it, you will have people saying "but look, he's so close" as well
The process is often a bit faggy, but it's better than blatant mistakes and uncertainty. The massive condition for this is that it's a quick process. A check lasting three minutes kills the atmosphere, but the new semi-automatic technology has basically solved the issue
There's too much at stake in the sport to allow a lack of precision and certainty. I don't think it takes away any mystique of the game ... as long as it's quick and reliable. This doesn't only apply to offsides. I think there should be goal-line technology everywhere on the pitch, and it should be clear who touched the ball last. The technology exists already, but it must be expanded. Imagine a World Cup final being decided by a goal after a corner that shouldn't have been given. I'd also be in favor of net playing time (2x30 minutes) if I knew ads wouldn't be shoved in. The general concept of net playing time is much more fair than random and ever-changing added time
The sad truth is that refs have become increasingly bad after the advent of all of this technology, but the box of pandora has been opened and if we want the best results, we will have to use more technology. Refs will have more than enough opportunity fucking things up when it comes to deciding on fouls, penalties, and cards.

>>150122222
just leave it be as is, nice quints btw

>>150122087
>We can discuss if we want to use the technique altogether, yes ok. But if we use it there's no need to cry like a little bitch if it works to the nanometer exact. Offside is a definite yes/no decision, simple as.
>30fps horse shit
>point of the ball leaving the foot never exactly clear
You're full of shit, Malte.

>>150121753 (OP)
>Tennis-Hawkeye-close call.png
nah, this is not how the sport was intended.

>>150122259
Wanna know how I know you've never played football in your life?

>>150122499
You'd be wrong, but please go on

>football grew to what it has become because it has always been easy-to-play
>dude let's implement retarded technology so """top tier""" football is completely different from actual football, almost another sport
Sounds like an American plan.

For me it's a full body length distance

>>150122511
see >>150122517
But yes, please do tell me which tier you play in. Maybe advocate for the implementation of goal line tech there?

>>150122519
You sure love mindless hoofball to pacey ngubus with no other qualities, huh?

>>150122486
>>point of the ball leaving the foot never exactly clear
there are sensors inside the ball that indicate the precise moment when the foot touches the ball

>>150122547
>You sure love mindless hoofball to pacey ngubus with no other qualities
thats literally current state of football the past years

>>150122517
The offside rule has been around forever. The difference is that pre-VAR you had dozens of cases over the world every weekend where a player that was blatantly offside would have a goal allowed or where a player 2 metres behind the defender would have a goal disallowed. You can probably remember a handful of games where your club was scandalously robbed in the pre-VAR era in a rule that could easily be checked by drawing a line on the pitch and showing it to the ref.
https://youtu.be/V5OWN2HFchQ?feature=shared

>>150122656
I can't, because my club plays in the 7th tier. We play football there, not whatever the "top clubs" play.

>>150122535
Pros and amateurs are very different worlds already. But it's still the same game, the rules are the same in general, I don't see why it would be harmful to use technology for clarity in the top tiers. I absolutely love amateur football (7th tier NRW), I even love how every game is bit different in the lower tiers because the pitches differ in size, quality, and surface while the refs basically throw a die when it comes to offsides and have very clear but strange philosophies on various things. I even recognize and cherish that people want mystique instead of logic to a degree, including in football.
But elite football will not lose all its mystique if we use technology more. These are two different worlds. We already have gaps: how many assistant refs do you think are there in the 9th tier and below? Would you want that in the Bundesliga? It leads to a lack of precision compared to having assistant refs, just like having assistant refs and technology means more precision as well. It's fine for village against village for shithousery, I have had great fun over that many times already. But it's not a good idea for games watched by tens of thousands in the stadium and millions at home, with millions of Euros at stake

>>150122577
Yes, and it would get much worse if you gave pacebabies even more leeway. Making it much harder to be offside is just that. Less positioning effort, less technique

>>150122699
i dont think so. i think the game positioning would become far more spread out making passing more important again.
i hate seeing 2o players all crowded in one quarter of the pitch

trying to reduce scoring in a sport that already has low scoring is really stupid, to say the least
it's an imperfect system being implemented and subjectively called upon by people, who are necessarily imperfect, so it should be scrapped until the perfect automated system can be devised

>>150122760
>mutt gives his shit opinion
no one asked your opinion on "soccer"

>>150122783
not surprising a germoid would suck the cock of an ostensibly logical system so much, but you don't need to get personally offended as if you yourself designed it

>>150122801
>Waaaaah theres not enough buzzer sounds for when my team scores!!! i cant watch this mexican sport! waaaah!!

>>150122671
>But elite football will not lose all its mystique if we use technology more.
It already has.

>>150122087
Yes it was offside and the technology caught it but my argument is that the technology shouldn't be there at all. It kills the momentum of the game, there's nothing fun about wasting 10 minutes checking if something is offside.

>>150122760
>until the perfect automated system can be devised
The offside system introduced in Qatar is already really good, a huge step forward. It works well
I don't think offside technology in general has led to a significant decrease in goals. For every goal that has been prevented by nitpicky measurements, another one where the assistant raised his flag wrongly has been accepted. And even if 0.1 fewer goals were scored, fans are mostly okay with it. Part of the magic of goals is that they are rare and hard to calculate with. If your team scores the 1:0, it might be the only goal and therefore your game winner. Or it might be the first of six goals. The decrease would have to be very big to actually piss off fans

>>150122825
a 0-0 slurper is just that, a slurper
it shouldn't matter what betting companies or autistic pencil-pushers think when it comes to sports but sadly it does

Single sport purist fags will tell you that this is absolutely necessary

>letting the ref subjectively decide whether an action was a foul is normal
>letting the ref subjectively decide whether the striker had an advantage due to an offside position is not
I don't understand event fans.

>>150122871
>where the assistant raised his flag wrongly
of course, they are "supposed to" wait until after the phase of play ends to raise their flag, but we both know that doesn't always happen
the continued reliance on subjective measurements and subjective application (VAR looks at some extremely close calls but ignores others) is the problem and makes many of these decisions appear to be manipulated

>>150122909
>letting the on-field ref subjectively decide something is bad
>letting the VAR Centrum refs subjectively decide something from behind a screen is good

>>150122844
It hasn't lost it all. The most cancerous part is arduous checks that last minutes. That's already on the backfoot with semi-automatic offside technology, and it can be killed for good with fouls as well by overhauling what is worth a check and what isn't
Part of mystique is that people can complain. That will always be possible: "that was never a foul", "shouldn't have carded him/sent him off, ludicrous display", "we just got unlucky, had all the chances in the world"
The tech needs to be as covert, reliable and quick as possible. It's not supposed to play the main role in the game attention, but it's supposed to absolutely clarify anything that is binary: offside or onside, ball past the line or not. Then you gotta make clear how it should be used with fouls, we still don't have that as of yet because someone always powertrips. Figuring that out is hard, but must be doable

>>150122760
Offside rules predate VAR by more than a century. The current version of the rule has existed since the 1990s. The technology isn't there to make it harder to score, but rather to correct retarded calls that would allow or disallow goals incorrectly. For every game we feel ripped off by tight calls these days, there used to be 10 games with grotesque refereeing errors that would drastically affect the outcomes of the games. Some would even say they happened too frequently in favour of the same clubs.

>>150122963
Eventually, you will see that you are wrong.
But by then the sport will be even more sterile than now. Pitiful.

>>150122909
I'm not opposed to the idea in principle but it'd only make controversy worse. It'd just be the penalty handball thing over again where one ref makes a call one weekend and then the next matchday a different call is made for a very similar incident.
Interpretation would be perfect if refs could be consistent for once.

>>150122913
Unclear competencies with VAR are a problem, it is highly annoying as of now. Refs have become worse in my opinion because of how they use VAR, which still seems arbitrary when it comes to fouls
And I agree it opens the debate for manipulation. That train of thought will never be fully gone, at least not when it's your club that got fucked. But it definitely isn't worse than what came before VAR: staggeringly clear offside goals being allowed in crucial moments, obvious fouls not being called. If technology is automated and VAR usage is cleared up more, it can be a small but significant step forward

>>150122983
There are many reasons the game is becoming more sterile. What would you do? I don't want to go back to times of Real and Ronaldo scoring three 1m offside goals in one game either

>>150122969
we fundamentally disagree on the question of whether it's retarded to disallow a goal when a player is within a 1 cm tolerance of being either offside or onside
>there used to be 10 games with grotesque refereeing errors that would drastically affect the outcomes of the games
errors that were usually only noticed by people watching on TV and who therefore didn't have the benefit of seeing what the referee sees
perhaps he was more right than those people care to admit
>Some would even say they happened too frequently in favour of the same clubs
the stature of a club can still influence whether VAR is called upon at all, in its current iteration
I don't think total automation will go as well as everyone else seems to think it will

The rich teams found a new way to rig matches, increase revenue and reduce volatility

>>150122222
I want those telemetry sport bras they wear now to decide offside. Sure, players can lean backwards to stay onside, but it's harder to run while leaning backwards so you won't gain any advantage. The millimetre thing doesn't need to change.

>>150121876
True, how do people not see this. Ai generates this in a second if you want it. Anyone can be offsides

>>150122983
But he's right.
>Part of mystique is that people can complain.
Before VAR, we still had replays. Everyone could see if an offside decision was wrong, but the referees weren't allowed to change their decisions when they made a mistake. This is better than that.
>It's not supposed to play the main role in the game attention
Nowadays, it feels like every exciting moment is just an opportunity to break out the VAR. The match itself is presented as almost secondary. This is undeniably a downside. If VAR happened instantly and the referee heard through an earpiece that a goal was offside, he could say it was offside and everyone would assume he'd just seen it himself. Then we could have replays and see that he was right. That's much better than goals being cancelled.

>>150127621
close calls and blown calls are part of the game
the main argument seems to be that VAR eliminates rigging, but it doesn't, only minimizes it or forces riggers to change tactics
only a naive person would believe that VAR equalizes big clubs and smaller clubs

>>150122222
Cockrings that determine position

most sports should be stopped now
need some new ones i reckon, but obviously gotta make them so indians dont like them because we dont want to make a mistake like cricket again

>>150121802
>>150122517
Don't blame us, our leagues are copying this now

>>150122486
tf are you talking about? there's a specific offise-technology.
also stop calling your own countrymen "mate" you neger.

>>150122783
the fuck is your problem why are you so rude

>>150121802
>Jewish-american
Redundant.

It's so easy just call it on where the head is

>>150128141
Then teams would try to game the system by signing players with disproportionately long legs that can reach beyond defenders.

>>150128141
That's why I'm an American genius

How are we even still discussing this. The only people questioning the current offside rule as is are butthurt retards that were negatively affected by it in the last game.

>>150128173
Very funny comment

>>150128173
Isn't that what pacy means?

>>150128088
>also stop calling your own countrymen "mate" you neger.
What the fuck did you mean by this, Bremi?

Brainlet: Human offside decisions
Midwit: VAR offside decisions
Galaxy brain: No offside decisions

>>150122783
this german faggot has been spamming 'mutt' to anything for the last ten years.

>>150122039
>if a player was a nanometer offside
What about 2 nanometers? How about 3? ...

What if the linesman perceived the offside distance differently to you? How would you feel about that?

>>150122259
>>150122671
>>150122963
Damn. This is exactly what I've always wanted to say. You took all the words out of my mouth.

I would also change offsides to be determined solely by the feet, so they'll be easier to check, but that's just me.

Thank fuck our league never implemented this crap.

>>150122222
abandon offside rule and bring some chaos into this robotic sport

Weren't they going to update the rule so that the entire body must be offside?

>>150122222
I think it would be hell of a lot better if you just decided based on the players feet. So a striker can lean forwards and start a run, and even if their head and shoulders is offside it will be allowed if their feet are onside. It gives enough of an advantage to attacking football that everyone wants for excitement, and it makes the offside checking clearer and easier for the refs, VAR team and the audience. No more weird line drawn from the shoulders and shit like that, just the boots.

There will still be moments decided on millimetres, but I think it will "feel" a lot more fair overall.

"Oh btw it's disallowed because it was a handball", "Oh yeah no there was a foul on the other side of the pitch half a minute before the goal", this, and its random implementation, where at the same time blatant fouls are ignored willy nilly and not even shown in a replay, are even worse than the autistic, clearly rigged offside rule.

modern football fucking sucks balls, it's made for a globalised crowd of retards

>>150138892
>I think it would be hell of a lot better if you just decided based on the players feet.
What I've been saying at every single damn opportunity ever since VAR was introduced.

>VAR cancels a goal for your team
Technology is taking the soul out of the game! REEEEEEEEEEE
>VAR cancels a goal for the opponent
Rules are rules, mate

>>150138675
>>150138892
Good idea, yeah!

All replays in any sport should be used only if an obvious missed call happen. If it was 51/49 or even 55/45 let the on the field ruling stand

>>150121753 (OP)
Easy fix: Give teams 2 VAR challenges per game and let the rest of the match be decided by the refs on the pitch

>>150121753 (OP)
The masses and leagues have clamored for it, so here it is in all it's glory.

The reason this "feels" against the spirit of the game is because we know a real-life linesmen would never, ever in a million years ever put his flag up for that. we also know pre-VAR no analysts on TV would ever call it out as having been missed by officials at half time or full time. no fan would call up a radio station and say they saw this photo still of a player being offside in that position.

We basically want offsides to be given when a player is actively trying to brake on offside trap or trying to gain territory as a cross or long pass is hit. The best way to have VAR be utilised specifically in these circumstances would be if the linesmen himself was the one who pressed a button on his flag asking for VAR to check a certain passing move/through ball/cross, since he will only ever make such a request in these circumstances. He's not pressing a button for OP's pic example.

>>150151959
Yeah but they've told all linesman now to basically never raise their flag for offside as they'll all be checked after

What I really don't like about VAR is when they check for offside, see that it isn't and then spend 5 minutes seeing what other potential fouls could have happened in the build up just looking for a reason to disallow the goal. So you could have been onside, broken the trap superbly made a stellar goal but someone tugged a shirt 20 seconds before and it's all gone now.

>>150121753 (OP)
Started with Bongs playing like trash and seething about goal line tech to find an excuse for losing.

>>150151959
This is a brilliant idea, but there is a small group of /sp/ schizos who claim absolutely everything, everywhere, is permanently Riggi Riggitini, and if a linesman doesn't press his button for something that looks offside, they're going to go apeshit.

>>150121753 (OP)

football is a silly little game which was never supposed to get this big and have its rules scrutinised because millionaires' livelihoods rely on them

>>150121753 (OP)
Wasnt VAR suppose to be used for clear and obvious errors. How is that clear and obvious

>>150151959
>The reason this "feels" against the spirit of the game is because we know a real-life linesmen would never, ever in a million years ever put his flag up for that.
Often he would.
Sometimes he would do it even if the player was a meter onside.