Thread 150325963

Pens are obviously given out way too often, but it is time to move the pk spot back. Almost guaranteed goal for a questionable foul 18 yards out? lol ok.

It's a great idea that would help this flawed sport, which is why I knew immediately it was an American flag who posted it.
Why not get rid of choosing who takes the PK while we're at it.

>>150325963 (OP)
Just make it so once the ref blows the whistle both the penalty kicker and goalkeeper have free movement, no more goalkeepers having to stay in the line bs

>>150325981
based, yeah forgot to mention that.

>>150325986
would get rid of those shuddering bs pk's

>>150325963 (OP)
how about they just don't commit fouls?

>>150326032
What fouls? most of the time it is honorless europeans and south americans diving.

>>150326039
they amplify the impact of the fouls otherwise the blind refs won't see the fouls and the defenders will constantly get away with it.

Wow I am so happy I have Americans here fixing this sport, finally.

>>150325963 (OP)
Unnecessary. Just don't give away penalties as easily, allow the keeper to move more freely on the line, and stop allowing teams to choose who takes the penalty
Your shot got blocked? You take the penalty. You got fouled? You take the penalty. You were the closest opposing player to the one who had a total brainfart and fucked up without being in immediate danger? You take the penalty

>>150326179
but how else will harry kane get goals

>>150326179
>and stop allowing teams to choose who takes the penalty
this is the dumbest idea I ever heard. only an american would think this is smart.

>>150326216
Nah, I just hate statpadding
The only real counter-argument is "what if someone injures the player deliberately?", and anyone who has played football knows that's hard to achieve in practice and could be punished with other measures anyway. The other argument is that comparing striker goal tallies before and after this rule change would be impossible, but seriously, who the hell cares?

>>150326216
god I hate the french, im glad you are forced to speak English to participate in online discussions.

>>150326179
only if players who leave the field for injury aren't allowed back on and must be subbed, otherwise the rulesfaggots will conveniently be sooo injured that they have to leave the field for attention in order to have a substitute penalty taker, only to be miraculously cured once the kick's been taken

>>150326032
Make fouls illegal

>>150326039
Southern European mostly. They used to say we shouldn't kick them or they'd keep diving.

>>150326242
>French
The French on /sp/ are quite decent desu.

>>150326727
If a player is seemingly injured, he either plays on or leaves the pitch asap, in which case he's either immediately subbed off or spends a set amount of time, I suggest three, four, or five minutes, off the field, leaving his team one man short. Enforcing this would be tough, but it should be doable
If the player supposed to take the penalty is subbed off, the guy replacing him takes the penalty. That's a bit of a shitty situation if this happens in the 90th minute, but there's no way around it, I'm afraid. And personally, I still prefer that over a single player hogging all the penalties

>>150325963 (OP)
It's time to get rid of Var. Football is infinitely more enjoyable without it.

>>150326871
Support your local team la

>>150326242
French is a nicer language, but english inferiority complex won't admit it

>>150326142
This is one thing, but diving is another. Diving is when there is no foul in the first place. I can understand exaggerated reactions, but diving for the shameless, unmanly gimps

>>150327097
The first round of the DFB Cup (among many other events across the globe) doesn't have VAR, and there's nothing particularly enjoyable about "elite" refs getting offsides wrong by 1.5 meters, or missing clear fouls
In the first round of a cup where Bundesliga teams play against clubs from the 4th and 5th tier, this usually doesn't end up being important. It can also be fun in low amateur football, where there's only one amateur ref with usually little mobility getting things hilariously wrong. But in actual elite games with lots of money and prestige at stake between more or less evenly matched teams, wanting precision is a good thing. With semi-automated offside technology, a big problem of the system should be eliminated. Then the big one left boils down to actually clearing up what is and isn't the privilege of VAR during games

Penalties should have been abolished ages ago, they were invented for a game where every match ended 8-6. It doesn't work now and as a ridiculous "fix" the penalty area has different rules than the rest of the field except those rules aren't written anywhere and they vary from day to day.

Same with red cards. Doesn't work so they just refuse to give them as often as they should.

>>150327180
it's basically like handing a team a half-loss with the dogshit 2.5-5-3 goal/game low scoring and 3-1-0 WDL system. You probably won't win and even if you tie, it's more loss than win

>>150327201
2.5-3

>>150326216
Explain, how is it dumb exactly?

The player who gets fouled takes the penalty.

There, I fixed your "sport"

Giving the penalty kick to the guy who is fouled solves nothing except killing the infrequent meme center back or keeper who likes to take pens. It prevents teams from funneling goals to a single player, yes, but that player was almost always one who spent a lot of time in the box and the replacement player who is now being fouled is still going to be a very attacking minded player 95% of the time. Cool, instead of Lewandowski getting to take all the pens at Barca, he now shares them with Raphina and Olmo and Lameme, who are are technically proficient attacking players. Instead of just Haaland, it's 80% Haaland and then some Silva or Gundogan or Cherki or whoever else is attacking off of Haaland. It doesn't change that penalties are almost a guaranteed goal.

>>150329834
Yes, that's the point. Penalties only for those who deserve it. There could arguably be a slight decrease in penalty scoring rate since no player could count on being the designated penalty taker and therefore specialize, but the main point is preventing statpadding
It's alright that penalties are goals in 75-80%. You just gotta award fewer penalties, i.e. be a bit more strict when it comes to fouls in the box and handballs. At the same time, allowing the keeper to take at least one foot off the line might help. Or isolating the penalties from the game situation like it's the case in knockout round penalties after extra time: no rebounds. Though I personally am a bit conflicted about this last one

>>150326179
>stop allowing teams to choose who takes the penalty

this would mean ronaldo becomes the top goal scorer for all of eternity

>>150327112
French is actually a nicer language. I use it often to come across a little pretentious and annoy people. Good fun all round

>>150330413
The entire point of the thread was that penalties were too strong of an reward for fouls in the box in an era with 3 goals per match on average instead of 10 and when the conversion rate is in the upper 80% instead of the 60%.

>>150327563
Player who receives the pass in the bell-end zone should kick the extra point afterwards

>>150331398
Yeah, and then we also talked about other things regarding penalties. Who would have expected an /sp/ thread to slightly deviate?
Again, just award fewer penalties and don't make the keeper stick to the line as rigidly. There you go. No need to move back the penalty spot

>>150327294
>95 min corner, ref about to blow
>foul the club footed centre half, give away penalty
>he misses it. Who'd have guessed?
Game over, job done.

>>150331459
>foul a player just because
Genius

>>150331478
Players get taken down when 1v1 against the keeper. Imagine a short Spanish team defending said corner v dutch under 15s . Is there much difference ?

>>150331459
What the hell are you implying, that you'd rather give up a penalty than a corner? Are you retarded? Even the least skilled pen taker on a team will likely score it >70% of the time.

>>150325963 (OP)
player fouled should take the penalty.