Thread 150362618

At what point are we just going to have to liquidate this stupid league?

how are FC Konigsberg doing?

>>150362696
It was VfB Königsberg, mind you. But they were originally founded as FC Königsberg
>>150362618 (OP)
Leipzig were mediocre last season, there is no reason to assume they are a top team in the league right now
Bayern are far from their prime right now, their squad is small and the overhaul is still far from complete. They won’t be a CL title candidate imho
Them winning the opening game like this still does show that the league is a meme. I hate to say it, but it is true. Apart from the title „race“, it is mostly fine … but man, that just sucks

>>150362778
Why does Dortmund a sell club? By revenue you would think they could be something like Atletico

>>150363966
scared of failing so they’d rather take the safe route of making decent money every year

>>150364014
>scared of failing
Lame club

>>150362618 (OP)
Bayernliga is a fucking joke. That league needs a salary cap more than any other in Europe for competitive balance otherwise the league as a whole dies off

>>150364105
True

I hate the Bundesliga

>>150364080
yes, they’re called cuckmund for a reason

>>150364105
It is not even that. Dortmund is a massive club and they choose not to compete on purpose. Bundesliga could at least have a duopoly but its second club doesn't care about titles

>scoring your hat trick when it’s already 3-0 and the match is decided with 30 minutes to go
Stat padding

Not as bad as the situation that French football is in now

What if the UCL was liquidated instead

>>150366119
the goals were really good not just tap ins of (p)s so it's fine

>>150362618 (OP)
I cannot think or comprehend of anything more cucked than supporting a German club that isn’t Bayern Munich. Honestly, think about it rationally.

You are watching, cheering, supporting, and spending time for a club for your whole life so the best players can go and get bought by Bayern Munich.
All the hard work you put into your beautiful little club – shilling for the Bundesliga, paying membership, making sure to go to all the games, making up chants,
buying merchandise. All of it has one simple result: the club’s best players are more employable for Bayern Munich which will eventually win trophies with them

Supported the perfect local club? Great. Who benefits? If you're lucky, a Bavarian who has nothing to do with the rest of Germany who vaguely follows Bayern Munich.
He gets to watch your players win the Bundesliga every year. He gets the benefits of your club’s players that came from the way your club supported them on and off the pitch.

As a German who doesn’t support Bayern Munich, you are LITERALLY dedicating your whole life simply to support a club so another club can buy its best players.
It is the ULTIMATE AND FINAL cuck.
Think about it logically.

When I went to Berlin, I went to their one big mall and they didn't even have a hertha or union store, they had a fucking bayern münchen shop

Germany is vorbei.

>>150366448
Think about it rationally

>>150362618 (OP)
obsessed

>>150366907
Actually, you are coping

Another exciting Bundesliga season.

>>150366910
>>150366952
When will you learn that its not for le hecking neutral fan? It is literally about my shitters beating the one other shitter team. The rest is just fluff to scam foreigners

You will feel pretty dumb when DIE MAGISCHE SGE is lifting the trophy at the end of the season. It's the era of the eagle.

>buy yn's just to resell them
>be surprised when the team turns to shit
shocking

>>150366448
thats why I support a third division team. No way we get humiliated by Bayern.

>>150367006
>have some good players and the chance to build a competitive team
>AAAAHHHHHHHHHHH I MUST SEEEEEEEEELL
Why is the eagle like this?

The only serious leagues beside the EPL are the italian and brazilian serie a. The rest are complete jokes and money laundering scams. Lel liga is an even bigger joke than bundesliga and that's saying a lot.

>>150367103
I really dont get what these Bunde teams are selling their best players for.
>To get two new mediocre players instead.
Thats not a winning strategy.
>Because their books are cooked
Never.
>To invest profits into facilities
Never happens with 70 year old stadiums everywhere
Why? Why do they keep selling their best players for? There is no benefit being taken in the short or long run.

>>150362696
too well for my taste

>>150367134
bayern are masters of tapping up, they put liverpoo to shame

>>150367134
>>150367103
Bros, it's the only way we can slowly work our way up. Yes you have to do constant rebuilding but what else are you supposed to do? You guys act like you can just force a player to stay when he wants to leave because a rich club is offering a huge salary that you can't afford. You obviously can keep him there by law but in practice he will be almost useless if he doesn't feel like it and doesn't give 100%. anymore.

Getting over 9000 monies for Jokic or Haller or Muani has certainly helped us more in the long run than if they had stayed another year or two.
We upgraded the stadium, we have a new campus, a new youth academy, etc. Also, I think selling a "flashy" striker every year to strengthen the depth and core of your team is worth it from a competitive perspective as well. This strategy also means that talented players are happy to join Frankfurt because they see it as a stepping stone and a good stage to shine. Would I prefer if we could just get legends and they stay here forever? Sure. Is that feasible? No.

>>150367243
>You guys act like you can just force a player to stay when he wants to leave because a rich club is offering a huge salary that you can't afford.
so German teams are being forced to sell their players by the bigger spending teams?
After SGE wins the Europa League they shouldnt sell half their team off but instead aim to make it far in the Championsleague.

>>150363966

nobody wants to live in NRW

>>150367287
Again: What is your alternative strategy?
A player shines for a midtier club and Buyern or some English (Arab) oil club offers him three times as much money as he is earning now as well as a higher chance to win trophies. Your strategy is to just tell every player "NO, YOU MAY NOT LEAVE" all the time? First of, most players are divas and will go "on strike" or simply not perform as well anymore. Secondly, soon enough, young and talented players won't want to join your club anymore because they figure "If I perform well there I won't be able to leave to a bigger club so I'd rather not join in the first place".

Also: The exact same thing happens on a smaller scale with teams like us and smaller teams. Do you think Doan or Burkardt just think Frankfurt is cooler than Mainz and Freiburg or do they maybe earn more money here and think playing CL is neat?

>>150367243
Your point doesn't hold up when you had a player like Marmoush who was having a balloon door tier breakout season and instead of keeping him and selling him in the summer for the same amount if not more and a nice comfy CL spot on top which would have attracted better players you sold him in January to the first club that came knocking, sacrificing both short and long term in the process

>>150362618 (OP)
Calm down everyone. Leipzig finished 7th last season. I'm sure many teams will give Bayern a run for their money :)

>>150367354
the wealthiest teams dont win every trophy. Its literally not as simple as some financial consultants might let you believe.

>>150367425
>I'm sure many teams will give Bayern a run for their money :)
who?
Bayer sold their squad and replaced everyone with no name ngubus under Ten Haag.
Dortmund is betting on Belingham Jr. II for success (kek)
Stuttgart is Stuttgart.
Frankfurt tried to also do a Bayer but got outshined
Maybe clubs like Bremen, Hamburg and Mainz can win home games against Bayern with peak soul?

>>150366448
it's mostly the PL who is eating up all the Bundes talent these days, be it players or coaches

>>150367419
But we still finished 3rd and qualified for CL so it worked out. But I agree it was a gamble and in this particular case we likely should have kept him until the end of the season, yes.
>>150367435
Yes but AGAIN: What is your proposition? Just tell every player "NO" when he wants to leave because rich clubs are offering more money? Money certainly is the main incentive for most players so how do you plan to keep your team together?

>>150367419
Wait they ARE in the CL, I forgot about the new format. anyway my point still stands :^)

>>150367467
I have a feeling he wasn't being serious

>>150367488
>What is your proposition?
1) Say no based on contract and dont allow other clubs to even get in contact for poaching; in many sports poaching is illegal btw :)
and 2) build a team spirit that wants to win and will be depressed when they dont win. The being happy you made 4th and now get to play Championsleague is literally just a participation trophy mentality.

>>150363966
You mean choke at the critical moment?
They do that but on a much smaller budget

>>150364105
it's unrelated to money, all the teams play suicidal football, at least it's entertaining

>>150367076
Which one du Hurensohn? Waldhof mannheim hier

>>150367853
Atletico at least competes the league every 5 years. Dortmund has a massive fanbase and very healthy finances and they just sell everything and have not compete for the league since the early 2010's

>>150368699
Different anon reporting in for Alemannia Aachen
Bayern fear us

>>150368875
Dortmund were basically broke in 2005 and got swept to the top by pure coincidence (Klopp). Their finances were in no way comparable to Bayern 10 years ago, and they still aren’t comparable now. Basically all that growth came once they had won 2011. No one in their right mind would have called Dortmund the second-biggest club in Germany in 2009, they had half the members and half the revenue of HSV

>>150362618 (OP)
How does an average winger like Diaz end up being decent in the Bundesliga?

>>150369123
>>150368875
The main issue is that Dortmund are massive retards. Like any Ruhrpott club, they basically must get in Ruhrpott people because of „club DNA“. They were about to build a monument for Edin Terzic for saying „I love this club, I am pure BVB“ after every loss in the league. And now they have Kehl in charge of transfers. On top of that, they are eternal mental midgets
Dortmund is much closer to the rest than to Bayern. Playing modern-era CL all the time, which is a self-confirming circle of „get in twice - get your ass stuffed with money - get in again because you have more money than the others in your league - repeat“ saves me them, but they just don’t have anything to actually compete. They now think they are le epic talent club preparing the perpetual title challenge while making a lot of money with sells in the meantime, but their squad doesn’t actually have that much talent anymore

>>150369216
Yeah, he’s League Two level at best

>>150369041
God I wish my team werent absolute shitters

>>150369123
The annual revenue of Dortmund is like 500M euros. That is similar to the top italian clubs or Atletico. If the team doesn't try to compete is purely by choice

>>150369414
Where they at?

>>150364334
Bayern records roughly 50% more revenue than Dortmund so you cannot expect them to compete realistically
Source: https://www.deloitte.com/uk/en/services/consulting-financial/analysis/deloitte-football-money-league.html

They could do a bit better but that doesbt change the league is fundamentally broken

>>150369548
Barely Klassenerhalt last season. And now the last sovlful player, their captain, with whomst I have gotten drunk with on multiple occasions has been fired and left for Ulm

>>150369647
League titles are about being regular against shitters. As I said I put Atletico as an example because they could attempt something similar even if they end up losing most years

>>150362778
>Apart from the title race
>Apart from the thing that delineates one season from another
How cucked is the German mindset?

>>150367112
And J League and Algeria Ligue 1

>>150362618 (OP)
Ja.

>>150366119
They're about equally bad. The main issue in France is that Paris should have several top-flight clubs instead of just one.

>>150367435
Bayern wins everything short of the Champions league in Germany.

>>150364334
>Dortmund is a massive club and they choose not to compete on purpose
Dortmund is cucked because they're afraid to go bankrupt again like in the 90's. You can actually go bankrupt here in Germany for some reason. It's not like in spain with Barca and their 2 billion debt. That's the main difference

>>150385522
They've got Paris FC now that is being run by one of the richest man in the world. Ironically Arnault isn't even a football fan so I'm not sure if that will work

>buyernwinslol

What a farce

>>150386715
Hopefully Paris FC can become some real competition for PSG but currently they're just more fodder.

>>150362618 (OP)
>blundershitga

>>150369123
>No one in their right mind would have called Dortmund the second-biggest club in Germany in 2009
Maybe not in terms of literal size but they were the only German club with a champions league title outside of Bayern.

>>150366448
Amazing turn on a classic

>>150362618 (OP)
>Crystal Palace 27', 42
>Liverpool 32'
>Tottenham Hotspur 64', 74', 77'

>>150402678
Hamburg has one. Being nitpicky about the reform of 1992 doesn’t change that all of these titles are acknowledged as CL titles today, people say Real has 14, Bayern has 6, and so on

>>150366870
Herta has a couple of stores in Berlin, running a cringe worthy branding campaign calling themself
>big city club

>>150405277
They stopped doing that years ago. They are still in the belief that they are a sleeping giant and have the potential to be a European title challenger. But they have stopped telling everyone at first sight and campaigning with it, because others either got mad or ridiculed them

>>150405287
I haven't been in Berlin for 4 years so good on them for stopping that ridiculous shit.