Thread 150408548

The Heysel Stadium disaster was a crowd disaster on 29 May 1985, when Juventus fans were escaping from an attack by Liverpool fans while they were pressed against a wall in the Heysel Stadium in Brussels, Belgium, before the start of the 1985 European Cup final.

>>150408548 (OP)
So.. fight back? Wut?

>>150408548 (OP)
I watched this unfold live on TV in Spain. Walked into a bar to catch the game but saw this instead. The game went ahead such was life back then.

>>150408548 (OP)
also the police's fault right?

>>150409642
Most European supporters weren't looking for trouble back in those days. Hooliganism was a real British thing at the time. When I see gay ultras acting tough nowadays, like it's the 80s, it just makes me cringe. Pathetic.

>Maggie used this as a way to punish Scousers by removing England from European competition while Liverpool was great
And people call Trump petty.

>>150410453
No. Neil Kinnock's

>>150410471
I can understand that, but if reality is being crushed to death, or squaring up.. the answer should be obvious. Different times though I guess. Especially "in the moment"

>>150410471
>Italians werent fighting in the 80s

Lmao kill yourself zoomer

>>150408548 (OP)
Its said they have been kicked out of 109 competitions but its never their fault

>>150410957
KEK

>>150408548 (OP)
Fucking scouse dogs still have the nerve to cry about Hillsborough

>>150411424
39; most of them teenagers died

>>150411319
audible kek

>>150410580
it was actually when Everton were good

they had dead bodies lying around the pitch but the game continued because they thought abandoning it would cause even bigger problems with crowd control

la

>>150411190
>most
Get a dictionary you fag

>>150411190
The Italian view of English hooligans in the 80s was largely shaped by the violent incidents involving English fans during European football matches. Here are some key points that highlight the Italian perspective 1:
- *Heysel Stadium Disaster*: The 1985 European Cup Final between Liverpool and Juventus at Heysel Stadium in Brussels was a turning point. English hooligans charged at Italian fans, causing a wall to collapse, which resulted in the deaths of 39 Italian spectators. This incident was widely condemned in Italy and reinforced the perception of English fans as violent and disorderly.
- *Media Coverage*: The Italian media portrayed English hooligans as a symbol of British disorder and violence. Newspapers and television coverage highlighted the brutality and chaos caused by English fans, contributing to a negative stereotype.
- *Public Perception*: Italians viewed English hooligans with fear and disdain. The violence and aggression displayed by English fans during matches and in public spaces created a sense of unease among Italian fans and authorities.
- *Comparison to Ultras*: Italian ultras, while known for their passionate support, were often compared unfavorably to English hooligans due to the latter's organized violence. However, Italian ultras have continued to influence the domestic game, sometimes with violent outcomes.
- *Historical Context*: The 1980s saw a rise in football hooliganism across Europe, with English fans being at the forefront. Italy, like other European countries, took measures to combat hooliganism, including stricter security and policing during matches.

Some recommended readings on this topic include 1:
- *"Menaces to Management: A Developmental View of British Soccer Hooligans, 1961-1986"* by A.J. Haley and Brian S. Johnson
- *"Hooligans Abroad: The Behavior and Control of English Fans in Continental Europe"* by John Williams and Stephen Wagg
- *"Football and the Decline of Britain"* by James Walvin

>>150410408
You're what, 60 years old?

>>150410580
It was a turning point. Hooliganism became more frequent against English clubs after this and between each other. It's a fact. Every country had its hooligans but not strictly in a football sense, like it had been in Britain for the best part of a decade or before.

>>150411840
49 mate. I was a youngster but had managed to catch some of the 82 world cup and also my first fa cup final was Everton v Watford 84. I'd been attending Swansea matches since we beat Man City home in 82 iirc. I was hit by a coin for the first time, away at Cardiff, circa heysel.

I honestly don't understand why this club wasn't disbanded

We can hear them crying in Turin

Why do i never hear about this but hear about the hecking 97 every night? Please explain

>>150411910
It wasn't just Liverpool. This was the final straw. Other British supporters had caused problems in Europe for years.

>>150412034
No, it really was just Liverpool

>>150408548 (OP)
I HEAR THEM CRYIN IN TURIN

>>150411974
wasn't are fault la

>>150412039
Haha. To debunk this clown just check the sources I've left above or Google British hooligans in the 70s and 80s

>>150412061
There are no other clubs responsible for murdering 40 innocent people in a stadium push, I'm not interested in your false equivalence about "hooligans"

>>150412061
ya boy was villa fans killed dem Italian lads innit

>>150411910
Are you me? I feel like a schizo because nobody else seems to get it
Fucking heckin' wholesome chungus Reddit sovl club for everyone around the world, it's insane

>>150412133
Well, the heysel disaster was the culmination of almost twenty years of British fans causing trouble abroad. Also the national team, of course. So no it's not Liverpool who were solely responsible for this problem. Our government and European governments recognised that by banning all english clubs for 5 years. Most of Europe knew that too. Anyone you spoke to abroad knew of the English 'disease'. Heysel was awful and the final act before things started to change.

>>150412133
>no other clubs responsible for murdering 40 innocent people in a stadium push
>>150412114

>>150412194
Yeah it is crazy. We aren't really taught about it here, I only learned of heysel a while ago and I've followed the game my whole life. Will never understand how that club was allowed to continue or how people could feel comfortable supporting that.

>>150411857
Sport culture of the era was just more violent everywhere. Whether it's pairing beer with cocaine vs pairing beer with weed, the pricing out of the working class scum from the stadium or just cultural shifts towards less violence due to a mix of environmental corrections and social programs, ultimately the current state of a football stadium is closer to a library than a town square protest on the brim of a riot.

>>150412304
>We aren't really taught about it here
What are you on about you stupid virgin? You're chimping out and arguing about a subject you then allude to know nothing about

^proud supporter of the world's one and only good guy scrumptious muffin peaceful and kind sporting endeavor, ladies and gentlemen

>>150412377
Times were different. The Belgian authorities left dead bodies around the pitch. Juventus didn't refuse to play the game. There be a lot of nasty going on back then.

>>150412241
>it's not Liverpool who were solely responsible

>>150411840
You'll be in your 40s waaaaay faster than you think kid. Start saving your money for retirement now

>>150412377
Also most people realized they're nothing more than customers who are getting ripped off. The retards who act pretentious and think it's some sort of quasi war get locked up and thrown in jail nowadays pretty quickly. I wish they'd ban all alcohol from stadiums completely. We shouldn't promote degeneracy

>>150412034
Yeah this is the excuse Liverpool fans always come out with
>it could have been anyone rushing that wall

>>150412886
Igor Jesus isn't the GOAT. He entered yesterday and didn't move Nottingham Forest from a tie to a win..........

>>150408548 (OP)
la, it was chelsea fans what pushed the heysel wall onto the italians la.

>>150414147
that's right la Maggie thatch made em wear red

>>150414147
>>150412886
Samefag

>>150412304
>union jack
Forgot to change your location?

>>150411814
copy pasting gpt shit should be a bannable offence
fuck you, you absolute cunt.

>>150419496
Samefag has returned. She's on her period again.

>>150410453
have seen them blame everything from "unfair refereeing" to chelsea falseflags to the weather (seriously).