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>Inside Bayern’s dressing room the players speak openly about the irrelevance of the Bundesliga, a league whose quality has collapsed, whose visibility abroad is almost non-existent, and where Bayern stand as the only club of stature while the rest operate on a level far below. Domestic victories no longer bring pride, they bring emptiness, because the competition itself has lost all meaning.

>The reality is impossible to escape, as beyond Germany the Bundesliga draws no eyes, international viewership has faded into obscurity, and outside of Bayern there is a void of genuine world-class talent. The league is seen as a patchwork of small clubs with limited reach, serving only as a feeder system for the Premier League, where the best inevitably move on to build their careers. More than one Bayern player has even questioned whether the Bundesliga can still be considered part of Europe’s top five leagues.

>The only relevance left is the Champions League, yet that is where the frustration cuts deepest. Bayern’s players know that on the European stage their reputations are measured, but they also know the board has failed to build a squad capable of competing with the elite. Bayern dominate a league no one watches or respects, while stepping into Europe underprepared and undermanned.

>For those who came from the Premier League, the contrast is glaring. They left the world’s strongest league for one that feels, and de facto is, provincial and irrelevant, and they now see that even the one competition that still matters is treated by the board without the urgency it demands.

>Inside the dressing room, and even among employees in the lower departments of the headquarters, the conclusion is often repeated. Bayern may gather trophies at home, but in truth they stand alone in a league of shadows, while Europe passes them by and the world no longer questions but quietly accepts that the Bundesliga has slipped out of football’s elite.

Apologise for WW2, Nigel

>>150700279 (OP)
Imagine being this obsessed that you have to shit out such a pamphlet
Also imagine being an animefaggot

>>150700353
did he lie tho? I mean compare your bayernsliga to our shitfest of unpredictability

>>150700279 (OP)
They just had an exciting, very elite team that wasn't bayern whom only lost one game across all competitions
then everyone important gets poached and its back to usual shit

sucks ass

>>150700279 (OP)
fuck anime

>>150700353
This nigga copied it from Xitter

You can call him obsessed, but can you call him wrong?

>>150700353
>>150700411
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/84755707/#84755745
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/74846577/#74846612

Who wrote this hit piece? Why doesnt the EPLEL win the CL every year if they mog everyone else so hard?

>>150700279 (OP)
>Domestic victories no longer bring pride, they bring emptiness, because the competition itself has lost all meaning.

KWAB

>>150700455
Because they actually have to fight in the league. PSG can rest their players from January onwards but PL teams can't do such a thing with like 8 teams capable of a top 4/5 finish

In soccer does it work like if you're a fan of a non elite club you LARP about hating other clubs but if you ever get a good player you immediately surrender them over to the real teams and rinse and repeat because thats just fucking hilarious
and then if you're a big club fan do you just sit in the stadium pretending to be excited over beating the the same shitters over and over and over

>>150700516
thats actually a very acurate description of the bundasliga. Good job burger

>>150700279 (OP)
i enjoyed michael owens comparison of kane going to germany to win trophies to going to scotland
>who cares

>>150700416
>>150700391
>Bundesliga not even a top 5 league anymore
>has faded into obscurity / no attention
>no world-class talent outside Bayern
Yeah, that is quite easy to prove wrong
The UEFA coefficient shows that the Bundesliga isn't in danger of losing 4th place, and that's about as low as we go. Normally, it's 3rd. There is zero chance Ligue 1 overtakes the Bundesliga, even less so that Eredivisie or whoever else does. And anyone with a brain knows it
Regardless of international viewership, the Bundesliga is the only league except the Premier League to increase the TV money deal. Other leagues took massive hits, the Bundesliga grew. It's financially stable, no sign of waning interest all in all, even if the basis is smaller than the Premier League
Regarding the talent: Liverpool and Newcastle just bought expensive players for world-class-prices from Leverkusen, Leipzig, and Frankfurt. Soon enough, there will be more players like that. Dortmund will eventually have one or two great players as well again. Even if these players leave for the PL at some point, there will reliably be talent deemed world class in the league - and funnily enough, the only one really suffering from the PL capital rush is Bayern, but you aren't ready to acknowledge that

>>150700603
Michael Owens is a grade A mong, so you enjoying his takes should be a warning signal

I don't like bullying the German league, because they actually support their clubs. They have a supporter culture whatever else you think about it. To me, the Spanish league is the disgusting one because everyone in the country shamelessly bandwagons 1 of 2 clubs and lets the rest of the league rot.

>>150700455
we don't field second teams in the lower divisions like the gloryhunters in europe do. it gives a massive advantage to youth but it would be seen as disrespectful here.

germany has 80 million people and zero other sports (at least sports leagues) to compete with football yet they will point their finger at england as to why they're not a big league

>>150700516
Since when is this about players? If Bayern had paid Stuttgart 70 million for Woltemade, it would have been fine. And then Newcastle paid 90 million. You can do a lot of stuff with that money. Stuttgart didn't need Woltemade to qualify for the CL some years ago, and they didn't only have him when they won the DFB Cup last season.
And why wouldn't there be rivalries because of players changing clubs? You're not making sense. Fans support their clubs anyway, and a single player doesn't dictate how well a club is doing

>>150700687
Our handball, ice hockey, and basketball leagues all have good attendance and firm support base in their respective communities. The latter two leagues are among the best in Europe, and the first one is the best in the world by far. You're not playing these sports, so you don't know shit about them. But you still have the nerve to pretend all of it doesn't exist, so point your finger elsewhere and carry on pretending cricket and rugby with the five countries each playing them make you multi-sports powerhouses

>>150700516
yeah it's kinda like the nba and the lakers

>>150700775
>handball
5,000 per game
>icehockey
7000 average
>basketball
4200 average

point proven

For an irrelevant league no one cares about, the Bundesliga sure gets a lot of threads. Especially from Englishmen, the salt of the earth, with their amazingly fully English league, who are first in line when it comes to not caring about Germany or the Bundesliga - and they will proudly declare that in like 20 threads per day
Is this part of their WW2 "living in the past" complex? Or a different kind of mental illness? One can only wonder ... but surely it's all just banter, heh

>>150700852
Your rugby league has 15,000, not special either considering rugby is played in larger stadiums because of field dimensions. Eisbären Berlin and Kölner Haie regularly sell out their 20,000 seat stadiums, you can't build much larger for ice hockey
750,000 people in Germany play organized handball. Do you have more organized rugby cricket players? If not, your point seems to be dead in the water. No one doubts football is the clear number one, but pretending we don't have other sports at all is dumb - you knew that if you had spent time in Germany

honestly don't know how any player of the Sky Six can brag about an english title anymore after their clubs wanted to ditch their league at the first opportunity

>>150700279 (OP)
Let's assume this is true: so what? Bayern bitching is good. If I said anything else, you'd "banter" us as well. The league isn't at risk of losing 4th place in the UEFA ranking, and it's one of only two top leagues - the other being the Premier League - to sign a bigger TV than the previous one contract in recent years. So it can't be that bad in terms of interest
Bayern struggle because they have to contend with more clubs for elite Bundesliga talent now. Their financial grip on the league is weakening. I don't doubt foreign interest in the Bundesliga is low, but domestic support is still frighteningly strong considering how imbalanced the league has become. It can basically only get better, and then, there might even be some more international viewers
Thanks for your passion and concern, though

>>150701014
not all of us are redshite customers

Kane getting his first trophy by moving to Bayern and winning the bundesshitter at age 29 is like an incel losing his virginity to a prostitute

>>150700923
there is rugby union and rugby league, two different sports, which both have higher attendances than anything in germany other than football. then there's the england rugby union team that sells out 80k every time they play. then there's cricket which is more of an international oriented sport still sells more for meme formats tha german leagues. even the british ice hockey league gets 3.5k average and that's as niche as it gets

the premier league is just a cartel where they prop up dogshit "legacy" clubs like liverpool and arsenal, itll 100% go the way of the super league in the next 2 or 3 years at most

EPL attracts much more attention internationally indeed but I admire how stable and down-to-earth Bundesliga is. They are alright.

why do british monkeys think anyone in germany gives a fuck about their irrelevant shithole?
the only reason their league isnt the joke of europe is because they sold it all off to sheiks and americans
meanwhile they wait for 60 years for a title
lick my german ass

>>150701179
user added context:

the english league could have stopped entering the european cup in 1984 and would still have as many wins as the bundesliga does in 2025

brighton would win the buli by december

>>150701211
they had about a century of being a professional league at that point
20 years alter the italian league and spanish were much better
and thats why they desperately sold it all off to foreign scum
there is nothign english about the league anymore

>>150701255
If only ...

>>150700353
>faggot
This is /sp/, you are all faggots here

>>150701154
Thank you
I'd love there to be a bit more international attention, but only a bit. No need for mass bandwagoning. We could get a bit more with some more balance up front ... perhaps that will be in reach in a few years, Bayern aren't looking that great anymore structurally
For now, the most important part is filling the top tiers with heavyweights again. Hamburg and Köln being in the Bundesliga again is good news, they have the potential to play a role internationally as well, but they need to not be retarded for a few years
There is movement further down as well. Fortunately, Aachen, Duisburg, Essen, and Münster have at least made it to the 3rd tier again. If only we could get rid of the 50+1 exceptions ...

>>150701332
Yeah, but I'm a /sp/artan and not an /a/sperger cunt. We have three stars to their one* to cement that

>>150700279 (OP)
i don't get the histrionics, bayern and dortmund are still massive, it's still one of the top 3 leagues in the world
i do think bayer missed a huge opportunity though

>>150701380
OP is a shill monkey
they hate the Bundesliga, because they cant buy the teams
its owned by fans

>>150701380
There's a point in saying Bayern and Dortmund are getting left behind. Dortmund in particular got lucky to get swept into paradise 15 years ago, they haven't done much to warrant that ever since. Meanwhile, quite a few traditional heavyweights basically sabotaged themselves. Hamburg in particular. It's true that the league isn't in a great shape, but as you've said, it stands on solid ground at least and doesn't have that much to fear
Regarding Leverkusen: at the end of the day, Bayer (the owner) isn't that interested in being a super heavyweight. They don't have the domestic fan support for that either. They are fully fine with selling out after a good run and doing it all over again - as long as they make international competition, an endeavor which they gladly support with a few dozen millions. In the end, going all out is too big of an investment in their eyes, they have come to the conclusion that the current shape of the club as a steady billboard with regular CL appearances, occasional title challenges, and regular good sells is all they need
They might have fucked up even that now, though. We will see. Leverkusen winning was a relief to many people since Bayern's run got interrupted. But the following fallout made many fans hate Leverkusen and their brothers in spirit (Wolfsburg, Leipzig, Hoffenheim) even more

>its owned by fans
apart from the teams who are owned by companies like bayer, leipzig, wolfsburg

and clubs that are technically owned by fans like bayern but companies like audi and allianz are "shareholders"

>>150701479
yeah, and handful of teams are owned by german companies
big deal
most arent
we will never see somehtintg this pathetic in germany
your league is a joke owned by sheiks
and it eats you up

>immediately goes back on his point with a "big deal"

so easy

>>150701479
25% of Bayern is in shareholder's hands. That leaves 75% for fans. It works fine for the most part, very fine for a global heavyweight even. Bayern's membership conferences aren't just for show, Uli Hoeneß isn't good enough of an actor to completely chimp out over members' takes and votes for show

>>150700279 (OP)
slut

>>150700279 (OP)
>>150700444
I want to have sex with Kaguya and Akari

>>150701527
keep sucking sheik dick
its literaly the only thing youre good for
60 years of hurt
you pathetic joke

>>150701543
Not looking mad at all, pal
Relax a bit, please

>>150701554
nta, he's been doing that on purpose for literal months. don't reply to him.

>>150701554
Im making fun of the joke that is England

>>150701564
So it's a falseflag? I always thought he was just insanely mad

>>150701577
yeha, Im sure a falsefalg would point out what a joke the english sheik league is
make it make sense

>>150701577
I think bot, but who knows.

>>150701587
Naja, ein Deutscher würde vielleicht nicht ganz so ausrasten. Das ist schon ziemlich auffällig, denn es gibt keinen Grund, so besessen zu sein. Damit schadest du dem Anliegen eher, wenn man ganz ehrlich ist

>the english have switched to their german VPN to distract what a joke they are
utterly pathetic
imagien being english

>>150701269
>they had about a century of being a professional league at that point
you would too if you hadn't chimped out and ruined Europe twice.

>>150701608
oh no the germans are angry!

i pray everyday to brazilian league don't became something like Bundesliga. By far the most souless league in the whole world.

>>150700344
yes, for losing

>>150700279 (OP)
>bundes isn't top 5 league
EPL has the marketing, TV contracts and dough. Ok.
Lol Liga is a 2.5 team league although some of the teams are competitive despite minimal funds. They are clearly #2.
Bundes, Serie A & Ligue UHH are probably in that order, but interchangeable as 3a, 3b, 3c.
Other leagues like eredivisie, russian, portuguese, belgium, greece, turkey, etc. aren't close to cracking the top 5 of European leagues.

>>150700279 (OP)
>>150700315
KEEEEEEEK

>>150712822
Ligue 1 & Bundesshitters are the same dead one team leagues

I think most up and coming players would rather play for a team like Bournemouth than a German team in the Europa league. Those mid-table prem teams are like finishing schools for the elite clubs

>>150700279 (OP)
Still much better than the dutch though
>Win the league
>Their best team in leage is literally punching bags by any team in european competition

>>150700687
I respect Germans, their league is for the fans and the spectator and not for jewish owners. Going to football in Germany is still a thing for the common folk while the team that you (((support))) sells the tickets to chink tourists and charges you an absurd amount of money for TV rights

>>150700855
English men are obsessed with Germany. I really don't know why, the worst thing is they are proud about a bunch of jews enriching themselves at their cost while the mock you for being able to afford going to the stadium and watching your team's games

>>150716824
>>150716856
Zip it up when you're done

>>150701380
the point is that 12-13 years ago Bayern and Dortmund were way bigger and they can't attract young players because PL infinite money anymore

>>150717207
i don't know about dortmund but i have less than zero sympathy for bayern trying to lowball other bundesliga clubs

Even Ballack saying the bundes is finished

Irrelevant SOVL league

>>150701379
BASED

>>150717480
i do not care what ballsack says

>>150700353
But anon did not lie

>>150720897
The Bundesliga not being a Top 5 league is a massive lie, do you seriously think Eredivisie or Primeira Liga are better? It's not even in danger of losing Top 4 status, and the gap behind Ligue 1 is large
It's also the only league apart from the Premier League to increase on its TV money deal with sponsors and broadcasters. That's a lot of negotiating, you'd think the contract volume would drop if everyone considers the league finished and uninteresting
Domestic support is the best in the world, partially because of the easy access for fans. The clubs are financially healthy. It's true that Bayern being the serial winner is a big flaw, and it prevents international fans from following the league. But ironically, the PL shitting everything up with their money might help in that regard since Bayern are the first victim and currently not managed well

who cares who owns the teams, the players are all an international gang of mercenaries anyway

>>150723793
>who cares who owns the teams
The fans, Bundesliga games are dirt cheap because of this while in other leagues the prices are so high that only tourists are willing to pay the fees

>>150700279 (OP)
Bundes and LelLiga were always joke leagues, no different from Ligue 1 sponsored by BLACKED. The only European leagues that matter are the EPL and Serie A.

>>150700391
>did he lie tho?
1. Bayern hasnnt won both the league and DFB cup in 5 years, with many humiliations
2. Bayern has been irrelevant internationally since then as well.
Bayern is in crisis, not simply the Bundesliga. Who here seriously thinks Bayern can win the championsleague. If they make it to semis its already overshooting realistic expectations.

>>150726645
>2. Bayern has been irrelevant internationally since then as well.
Vincent Kompany coaches Bayern. Read that back a few times. What a bizarro reality.

>>150727625
Its pathetic. Another Bayern humiliation was the coach search that followed rejection after rejection just to end up with Pep's grift.

>>150701014
Every single British flag on here is a Sky six customer who does this weird thing of supporting "the league" as a whole (I'd never encountered this before visiting /sp/). I'm suspicious of all British flags.