The most powerful wizards ascend into diamond status and cannot be harmed in any way, physically or magically.

How does this directly affect the gameplay of whatever game you're playing?
Be detailed with your response and give specific examples.

Change "diamond" for "loli".

>>95710786 (OP)
Just toss them in the ocean and watch them drown.

>>95710786 (OP)
What do they do all day?

>>95710840
Rockin out

I push these useless rocks out of the way and keep on going

>>95710786 (OP)
I nut inside the diamonds and kill them with psychic damage.

>>95710840
Wizard stuff

>>95710802
It means that past a certain level, your mage character stops being worried about fights and battles because they're functionaly immortal and invulnerable, and the genre of the game changes from dungeon delving or small / mid-scale adventuring to playing chess with entire factions and nations as your pawns as some sort of pseudogod. For specific example: Mage the Ascension or Mage the Awakening when you reach archmastery status.

>>95710840
jerk their shit crazy style

>>95710810
>Change "diamond" for "loli".
Not MILF?!

>>95710786 (OP)
Hey, good for them. Glad to see all that hard work paying off. Maybe some day we could compare notes if they wanted to go higher than that.

>>95714100
It also means that you cease to be a wizard, though. You're an immobile object that can no longer cast spells. The only one of the criteria for wizard that you still qualify for is "wearing a funny hat."

>>95710840
They just sit there. Pondering.
>>95714379
>It also means that you cease to be a wizard, though.
Preposterous.
>You're an immobile object that can no longer cast spells.
They’re fine anon.

>>95710810
Yes, the peak form for spell-casting and pondering the mysteries of reality is that of a loli.

Isn’t that what Buddhists believe happens when you ascend? They leave behind a crystallized husk of their discarded form? Sarira or whatever it’s called.

>>95714379
Why being immobile would prevent you from casting spells? If you're still relying on semantic components like gestures and chants to cast spells, you're still a noob wizard.

>>95710840
Nothing, their brains turned into rocks too

>>95710786 (OP)
HOWEVER, they lose all or most common forms of direct human interaction, they usually end up 'merging' with their environment, eventually turning into a part of the landscape. Encased in a perpetually invulnerable state where they remain sentient but unable to affect their world directly or rather mundanely.

>>95714481
No.

>>95714598
Did you draw that
I appreciate the emphasis on the beard

>>95710786 (OP)
Sadly, I need neither magic nor physical attacks to render you less than the rock you aspired to be.

You could attempt to retcon the situation through 'I was already prepared' or apply the 'but I cast', however, those situations have also been countered already, since they were both predictable and obviously useless, since magic is an inferior way to manipulate temporal reality by all measures that matter.

Enjoy your solipsism as you sit there uselessly for your eternity.

>>95714328
This. Gotta store mana in those orbs.

>>95714617
Thanks anon, yes it is my OC. Still trying to grasp color, watercolor specifically, its proven quite difficult to do.

>>95714656
Very well done.

>>95714613
It's the truth. Magical girls and witches are at their strongest when they're petite and flat chested, so it only makes sense that any wizard worth their salt would be striving to permanently attain that ideal form.

>>95710786 (OP)
This looks stupid.
>>95714598
This looks rad.
>>95715149
>>95714481
>>95710810
This looks AGP.

>>95715149
What's the point of being female if you don't have breasts?

>>95714366
cultivation is reddit

>>95714100
/thread

>>95716482
Isn’t cultivation just exp

>>95710786 (OP)
What game are you talking about?

>>95716655
In Elden Ring these 2 dudes are unkillable npcs who lore wise are wizards that have ascended into a higher plane of thought, and they give you an ultimate spell each if you interact/do a quest involving them. They don't say or do anything, their only animation is briefly reaching out their hand to give you the spell. For some reason, they're commonly used to start topics on /tg/ about unkillable npcs, overpowered wizards, ect.
In elden ring and most fromsoft games, very few things are unkillable. The only things that are truly undefeatable are not threats, or else are fundamental to existence. Generally the unkillables are associated with the ancient and primordial, and more often than not are friendly and helpful, with a few BIG exceptions. So I find it weird that these easily missable, kinda nothing-by-design characters are used as a catalyst for shitposting when fromsoft games are good at avoiding annoying unkillable npcs.
Or maybe you knew all this and you were asking him what TTRPG system he could be referring to

>>95710786 (OP)
Didnt we already have this exact thread somewhat recently?

>>95718114
Thread making is a flat circle

>>95710786 (OP)
Diamonds are strong, yet fragile, hit them at the right angle and they shatter.
Seems appropriate, mighty but can be fucked by weird esoteric rules.

>>95717169
What’s funny is the other npc that says he “cannot be killed” can actually be killed. I’m referring to the giant stone turtle pope of course.

>>95714328
>>95714652
Kill yourself.

>>95710786 (OP)
I crush up their crystals and snort them. The bigger chunks will be fashioned into buttplugs for the party rape victim.

The orb ponderer becomes the orb.

>>95715149
>>95714613
You guys are both right and both wrong. Mana is stored in the boobies, which means that a flat spellcaster is one that prioritizes constant spellcasting and mana efficiency while big fat mana milkers indicates infrequent but high powered spellcasting and ritual magic.

>>95710802
>5 minutes after the thread was made
>He’s literally here all the time, which means he’s a no-games and not even allowed to talk

>>95710802
Green Star Adept, Complete Arcane, page 41. Thanks for asking.

>>95720554
So Megumi is doing it WRONG!

>>95710810
It's a matter of choice.
Your wizard gets to choose between turning into a diamond, a loli, a milf, a brain in a jar, or a bog body.

>>95710786 (OP)
Diamonds are not invincible. Diamond is not a very strong material, in fact. It isn't even particularly hard except by comparison to how common many softer materials are, like iron. In fact, it's probably better for you to think of hardness as being inversely related to strength. That's not perfectly true, but it's a better guideline than "hurr diamond immune to everything" is.

Stay in school, kids. Don't get your understanding of the world from trashy childrens' cartoons and amateurish video games.

>>95714583
Somatic = gestures
semantic = words
Also, when you reference D&D you validate it and give it power. Stop fucking doing that, garbage. And because you're having trouble following along even with your finger on your screen, yes that was a noun of direct address.

>>95714651
But... isn't solipsism precisely how the psion manifests their will in what figments perceive as their reality?

>>95710786 (OP)
>Turning to stone.
>Still can't move.

You're not doing it good.

>trap wizard in time stasis bubble
>put him under waterfall
>speed up time in stasis bubble
>wait for water to erode crystal
Chronomancy wins again!

>>95720856
If there's time passing in the bubble... then it isn't a STASIS...

>>95720883
ok two bubbles, one stasis one warp. The warp bubble just slightly larger than the stasis, and both shrinking slowly at the same rate.

>>95718922
no, YOU kill yourself, pedo

>>95720554
Mana is stored in the balls

>>95720817
> in fact. It isn't even particularly hard
This is just blatantly wrong.
You’re either an ESL or you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about

School kicked them out
Rennala has more INT
Sellen kills them
They’re brain dead rocks

How are they gods OP?

>>95710786 (OP)
If they can be raped, they can be harmed emotionally.

>>95720856
lol retaed

>>95721774
But there is no hole

>>95721212
Mana is stored in the boobs.

>>95723768
I use them as a crystal dildo

that's your future, crystal wizards. after I cast fist on your fragile gay bodies

>>95724771
Lol

>>95720824
>Also, when you reference D&D you validate it and give it power.
Never played D&D, never opened a D&D book, don't know anything about it except the vaguest notions of Vancian magic and how lame it sounded when it was explained to me and how gay the "art" looks in their latest book, so I don't know what you're talking about.

>>95714583
should've used semitic components like foreskins if you didn't want to be a noob wizard who can't even spell

>>95721752
By no longer having the ability to affect anything in the world they are no longer affected by what goes on in the world. It's a state of being most people could only wish for because they already feel powerless and useless so being immune to the negative aspects of the world would be a cherry on top.

>>95721752
They were “kicked out”. They were rocks by the time they were picked up and moved elsewhere, like a pair of highly radioactive corpse relics.

>>95710786 (OP)
Diamonds can actually be burnt by a hot camp fire. They aren't indestructible at all.

>>95727192
Nope these ones are

>>95721752
>School kicked them out
They were likely voted out, then left voluntarily.
>Rennala has more INT
Her spell has the highest intelligence requirement, but this only suggests a minimum.
>Sellen kills them
She doesn't. She takes their primal glintstone essences, the same way you took her primal glintstone essence.
>They're brain dead rocks
They aren't. They've opened their third eye. They're a more advanced state of Crystalian.

>>95721774
What is this image from

>>95710786 (OP)
Do you think they used Lusat’s head like a peering orb, or crystal ball?

>>95710786 (OP)
This isn't even true, though. It's highly implied that Sellen used their bodies to create a Graven Mass with herself at the centre so they could all ascend even further into being at one with the primeval current. In the end all of their heretical research was only stepping stones to their spiritual and quite literal successor. Much like the diamonds they became, their evolution was into naught but a resource.

>>95732058
Sellen didn't do that. You'd have to be a brain dead idiot to think that's what mistress Sellen would do. She wouldn't have put herself out of commission when she was planning on becoming the next governess of the school, right then and there.

Listen. She only ever incorporated sorcerers who went against the primeval current into graven masses, which is why there are only Olivinus and Lazuli crowns found in graven masses. Not a single Karolos head to be seen. She wouldn't have shoved herself in with a bunch of sorcerers she didn't approve of. It's clear she used sorcerers who went against the primeval current as test subjects. The Olivinus went against their primeval founder. The Karolos did not. It is likely the Karolos are involved in graven experiments.

Graven masses are explicitly artificial mad science experiments, and not something that just happens or progresses naturally, like glintstone crystallization, which is a form of silicon life/cancer. Her magnum opus of a ball would have been a lot nicer than that.

We don't actually know what she did with Azur or Lusat. We only know she took their glintstone essences the same way you took her glintstone essence. It's how glintstone sorcerers pass along themselves. I imagine it's quite intimate.

But the point remains. There is more to suggest someone did it to her. She didn't do it to herself.

>>95735130
>But the point remains. There is more to suggest someone did it to her. She didn't do it to herself.
But who?

>>95735857
She made a lot of enemies. Possibly even another graven mage, pioneering off her work.

>>95735857
I did it.

>>95739131
Bastard.

>>95728959
>They aren't. They've opened their third eye. They're a more advanced state of Crystalian.
I wish more would bother to notice this instead of screaming "omg fates worse than death"

>>95714598
Aspiring mages seek out these diamond masters for tutelage, using telepathy, astral projection and dreamquests to communicate with them. Occasionally, many centuries after their lessons some of these former pupils return to their teachers to discuss all they have learned in their long, wizardly lives. As they approach the magical power of the wizard masters they too begin to turn into diamonds.

And this is how the Crystal Mountain has slowly grown through the eons.

>>95710786 (OP)
Sokushinbutsu…

>>95710786 (OP)
They look like candy.

>>95724771
God what a garbage boss/character

>>95746314
Nah she was great. Coomed a lot to her.

>>95710786 (OP)
In what traditional games(?) does this happen?

>>95747522
>>95747399

>>95747556
He's asking a relevant question.

>>95710786 (OP)
martialfags will still cry and go
>b-but i should still be able to counter that while also not having no supernatural powers myself!!!

>>95748040
I throw them into orbit and every time they crash back to the ground, I catch them and throw them back into orbit.

>>95710786 (OP)
What about mentally?

>>95748225
Their brains are silicon.

I like crystal wizards.

>>95710786 (OP)
This anti-magic sword says otherwise.

>>95747556
This thread has been around for a week, and one faggot keeps bumping it every time it reaches Page 11.
Worse, he made this fucking thread before.
You deserve to be mocked.

>>95752974
You deserve to be called a fag.

What’s the martial equivalent?

>>95748040
It's absolutely fucking wild to me how they don't even bat an eye at being able to just... run around in a hundred pounds of armor all day, fight thirty guys and get stabbed fifty times... and SURVIVE all that...

And then claim they have no supernatural powers.

And then demand to take away your class's one gimmick.

That's why one of the most important and effective screening questions during player vetting is to gently prod them to comment about the word "martial" or the topic "martial/caster balance" and just passively let them answer. Because THOSE people always always always will ramble about how "everyone knows martials are bad and casters are broken, but I just like playing one, y'know?"

>>95744347
How many licks does it take?

>>95714379
Why can't you cast spells while immobile? Seems like a stupid fucking thing an idiot would say.

>>95710786 (OP)
What happened in your ladt game to have you make this thread (again)?

>>95754815
Nothing. Martials cannot grasp the mysteries of stone.

>>95710786 (OP)
Don't you kill and wear these guys?

You had the very same thread here not long ago.

>>95760338
And we will have more in the future.

>>95760776
>we

>>95760848
Yes.

>>95762912
Nah

>>95710786 (OP)
Are they okay?

>>95710786 (OP)
Why do they look so different? What's the difference?

>>95768828
Blue guy appears to be turning into some sort of Astel.

>>95768828
Peppermint and spearmint.

Glintstone sorcery is so cool bros

>>95774306
Never heard of it. Which TRPG is it from?

>>95774943
What?

>>95728959
>They were likely voted out, then left voluntarily.
Headcanon. Fuck's sake, you find Azur confined in a cell. Very voluntary, I'm sure.

>>95776518
the whatgamebot is evolving

>>95714481
Truth.

>>95714598
>Your face when you spend 120 years eating silver.

>>95776575
Based and lolipilled

>>95776722
Super Mega Gay Wrong

>>95776777
Trips don't make you right.

>>95777052
This is a blue board and you're still wrong.

>>95777218
I don't want to fuck the 1,000 year old little girl, I want to be the 1,000 little girl. God, you newfags don't know your culture one bit.

>>95776575
>>95776602
>>95776722
>>95776763
>>95776777
>>95776816
>>95777052
>>95777064
>>95777218
>>95777347
Can you please
Fuck off

>>95776518
Huh? It's a straightforward question, nogameskun.

>>95777416
That's where being a master sorcerer comes into play!

Wait. A wizard’s power level is based on how much of a rock they are? Why would anyone want this?

Game?

The most powerful warriors ascend into jar status and cannot be harmed in any way, physically or magically.

>>95724771
>when she casts twin moons

Realistically, there should be a point where you just can’t do anything about something, How would you deal with a higher dimensional lifeform that you can’t even see or target within three dimensions?

>>95786061
Ignore it and move on because it can't do anything to you as well.

>>95786070
But it can do things to you. It’s looking at you inside and out.

>>95786061
Attack it until it dies.
>b-but you can't!
Attack it until it dies.

>>95710786 (OP)
>cant be harmed
>not by physical
>not by magic
"Nigger."

>>95789849
he may not be harmed, but he still can get stolen...

>>95786061
If it exists in higher dimensions it exists in this one too. Kill it layer by layer.
Like destroying a cube side by side.

>>95789867
its weird that black people, when given enough power, turn into metal slimes.

>they’re dead bro
No they opened their third eye

>>95735857
Likely the Olivinus and Lazuli ganged up on her as revenge. Notice how she only ever used their crowns in graven masses.

>>95724771
Fire Keeper is superior.

>>95790077
>Notice how she only ever used their crowns in graven masses.
I could have sworn there were more than two…

>>95735130
>Graven masses are explicitly artificial mad science experiments, and not something that just happens or progresses naturally, like glintstone crystallization, which is a form of silicon life/cancer. Her magnum opus of a ball would have been a lot nicer than that.
I thought they mostly happened when glintstone sorcerers fucked up while plumbing the esoteric depths of glintstone sorcery. Not something anybody does on purpose, but a result of hubris.

>>95792411
The wiki says they are "Seeds of Stars" So it may also imply they are failed attempts of literally becoming stars.

>>95792411
>>95792454
Glintstone crystallization is what happens naturally. It grows. It spreads like a cancer. It's seemingly alive.

But graven masses are explicitly artificial mad science experiments:

- "The primeval current is a forbidden tradition of glintstone sorcery. To those who cleave to its teachings, the act of collecting sorcerers to fashion them into the seeds of stars is but another path of scientific inquiry.

They are "collected" and "fashioned".

>>95720824
Cringe pseud nogames

>>95710786 (OP)
>>95719915
>>95790075
>where we're going, we won't need brains to think

>>95782060
Imagine if it stood up and spun.

>>95790092
>not Maiden in Black

god wizards

>>95789876
Purely socioeconomic factors

>>95790092
>>95800689
Step aside old frombusted frombitches, Revenant is the new hotness.

>>95710786 (OP)
Guess we call on the bards to take them out with emotional damage then

>>95795708
Yeah I dont know why people think graven balls just happen as a consequence of research, when theyre really just asshole projects.

>>95805893
Media literacy in gaming is a limited commodity.

>>95803076
>ball joints

I'm pretty sure it's left ambiguous if they're better off than not...

>>95806610
Dolljoints*

>>95710840
Vibe mostly.

>>95710840
They rock out.

>>95815682
Hue.

>>95802040
are gay

But I thought the cone headed lady was their superior?

>>95774943
>doesn't know about Elden Ring
Fucking kill yourself poser trash

>>95823042
lolno

>>95824268
>FUCK her
hnnnnnng

>>95782060
Should have fought

>>95714328
Dragon's Crown is a great game.

>>95710833
They'd just vibe at the bottom of the ocean.

>>95824268
What’s funny is that Lusat’s staff actually increases moon sorceries a bit more than Rennala’s sceptre. A tiny bit more.

What system?

Whatever you do. Do not look into his head.

>>95839407
Orbs are meant to be pondered, idiot.

>>95839407
What're you starin at my orb fer?

>>95842258
Fucking gut

>>95842258
He swallowed the orb

>>95824268
>Rennala can only turn into an impervious rock for a few seconds
This is what the spell should have done. Like in her fight.

>>95735130
You've accidentally assumed that her quest was even remotely finished or written properly at all. Which is a strange accident to make since most of ER's quests are the cutting room floor of dialogue bits and little else outside of Ranni.

>>95855487
>he thinks every little detail in ER is totally coincidental
doubt
(but you are still right about all the tragically scrapped content)

>>95710786 (OP)
Cut off the blue one's head and make it into a scrying ball

>>95710786 (OP)
>alchemy them into graphite
>???

>>95805893
>>95806588
Because Sellen becomes one and she's literally the only mage left by the end.
No one could have turned her into a Ball, and she wouldn't just make herself into one for no reason.
It had to have been on accident from gazing into the current.

>>95862646
>Because Sellen becomes one and she's literally the only mage left by the end
No she’s not.
>No one could have turned her into a Ball, and she wouldn't just make herself into one for no reason.
>It had to have been on accident from gazing into the current.
They’re explicitly not accidents, but mad science experiments. They’re fashioned. Those heads were put there. They were all victims.

>>95862665
She is.
Rennala - Mindbroken by Radadick
Thops - Victim of shitty FROM quest writing.
Ranni - zero reason to be involved.
Seluvis - just wants to rape women.
Jerren - we kill him.
Gideon - zero reason to be involved.
Azur and Lusat - Basically braindead, she abducts them or something.
Mob Enemies in the Academy - irrelevant crazy NPCs

You can accidentally turn yourself into a science experiment.

>>95862727
>You can accidentally turn yourself into a science experiment.
Nope. The amount of glintstone heads is pointing to it being a horrific mass murder experiment. The talisman even calls it a mad science experiment. You’re just mad you have poor media/lore literacy. What, do you also think that Rennala was the first Carian queen, too? Or that she was an ancient astrologer? You people are so annoying.

>>95862727
>implying other graven mages don’t exist
>implying no one else is into the primeval current
My final post to you. Sellen inspired this level of horror.

>>95862736
>do you think [something entirely irrelevant]
I'm not interested in changing the subject.

We don't know where the Stone Heads come from in their most early form, and being genuinely magical, its possible they can just be created out of thin air by the transmutation, or she just assembled them from whatever was lying around.
She talks to us as an individual in some fashion even after being turned into a Ball, which would be unlikely if she was purely a forced homunculus of a dozen sorcerers.

Like I said, you can accidentally turn yourself into a mad science experiment.
Sellen obviously experimented on other sorcerers before we meet her. But that doesn't preclude her from making a final error in her investigation of the primeval current and ironically ending up as all of her previous experiments did.
>>95862744
If we don't meet them, they don't exist.
Sellen is the only Graven Witch we meet, therefore she's the only one that matters.
The only two others that we know care about the primeval current are Azur and Lusat, who she abducts for experimentation or kills. And were basically brain dead before that point regardless.

>>95862797
She doesn’t actually kill Azur and Lusat. She takes their essences intimately the same way you took hers. It’s unknown what she did with them after. It’s unlikely she shoved herself in with them in some graven mass since she was planning on becoming the new head mistress of the academy. She wouldn’t have put herself out of commission like that unless you consider it to be an accident—which is unlikely since they’re clearly artificially constructed like the Hornsent jars, which are a parallel. Mashing people together is not unheard of across the game’s story.

>>95862825
I see the creation of the wizard balls as basically a spontaneous transformation that happens if you glance too closely at the Primeval Current and fuck up while doing so.
Instead of it being a ritual, I see it like how staring at the sun burns your retinas out. In this case 'looking' at the current is going to mutate you into a wizard ball. Except for Azur and Lusat that managed to become enlightened, but also got their brains burnt out.