Here's your evil-aligned being from the Positive Energy Plane, bro.

Incubator
LE tiny aberration
AC 14, 9 HP
2 hit dice
SLAs: Alter Self and Greater Teleport at will, Wish 1/week (can only be granted to others)
Special Qualities: Hive Mind (Ex: no incubator is flat-footed or flanked unless all within 1 mile are flat-footed or flanked), Emotionless (Ex: immune to non-epic mind-affecting affects), Vast Knowledge (Ex: +10 racial bonus on all Knowledge checks, and can make them untrained), Alien Intellect (Ex: Any attempt to read its thoughts causes 2d4 Wisdom damage to the would-be reader regardless of outcome) Telepathy 1 mile. Immune to cold, acid, and effects of high altitude, including the vacuum of space.
Special Attacks: Pain Simulation (Su). One creature within 60 feet that the incubator is aware of must make a DC 17 Fort save or be nauseated until the start of the incubator's next turn.
Scores: 6 Str, 14 Dex, 10 Con, 22 Int, 22 Wis, 22 Cha
Feats: Mindsight

Lore: Alien beings from beyond the Prime Material, incubators claim that vital energy is gradually flowing from the Positive Energy Plane into the Negative Energy Plane, a process they call "entropy". Should this process continue, they say, all living things will die. To that end, they forge mysterious "contracts" with adolescent female humanoids, granting them supernatural power as "magical girls" in return for battling the forces of entropy - foremost among them the undead and entities native to the Negative Energy Plane.

Among mortals, their staunchest foe is the Doomguard, who seek to protect and in some cases even accelerate entropy. As incubators are nearly helpless in combat, they rely on their magical girl allies to oppose the Doomguard.

Incubators have been called heartless or cruel by some, but they assert that their contracts have been pivotal in the development of magic, technology, and indeed much of civilization. They are not purposefully cruel nor malicious, but they are utterly uncaring for the cost in their great quest against entropy.

an immaterial being caring about entropy is stupid.

>>95753641
If it interacts with beings that are threatened by entropy then it a priori cares about entropy.

>>95753671
i didn't stutter.

>>95753551 (OP)
Wouldn't he be neutral?

>>95753551 (OP)
>Using alignments in 2025.
Retarded beyond belief, much like the shitty overhyped anime you stole the creature from.

>>95753673
Even if it could survive the end of the universe, there would be nowhere for it to exist. Using the turbulent emotions of magical girls to delay it is another matter.

>>95753705
You know stories features villains and heroes, anon? Getting that across is called effective communication. If you were to look up a monster, and wonder how it could serve the narrative, how would you denote that?

>>95753712
>Even if it could survive the end of the universe, there would be nowhere for it to exist.
or perhaps it is not an enlightened, higher being whatsoever to care about something so petty in the face of eternity.

>>95753556
I dig the flavor text you wrote up for Kyubey if it was in the Planescape. A campaign I'm in has its main villain be someone who came from the Positive Energy Plane. Safe to say, the world would end up becoming like Cruelty Squad if we didn't kill his dog ass.
>>95753705
You must be invited to a lot of parties

>>95753735
That's a fair assessment, honestly. We can only speculation. It is offering Faustian bargains to little girls, and feeding on the inevitable misery and trauma that follows. I wouldn't call that enlightened either.

>People actually believe Kyubey when he's talking about entropy.
He's 100% just using it to power their civilization.

>>95753758
I love the idea of this hyper-intelligent alien species dumping pop-sci onto teenage girls to manipulate them.

>>95753750
there are definitely satan parallels, with an enigmatic figure that tempts women into selling their souls for the sake of a fallen world.

>>95753641
not even close to how fucking stupid that it's specifically little girls who must fuel the entropy.
wish they hadn't tried to explain the system, the explanation ruined the whole thing

>>95753761
Tbh I feel Kyubey is also way less rational and smart then it sells itself as. It can get pretty ideological at times like when it's saying magical girls should "give their existance meaning" by becoming Witches.

>>95753789
Eh, I think Kyubey just picked a group that is likely to be emotionally vulnerable (young girls during puberty) to siphon emotion from.

>>95753801
it's still retarded as hell, especially when it shows historical characters.
had to force myself through the last episodes, it was just too retarded

>>95753793
He almost certainly is considering he clearly has no idea what he's fucking with. He turned a teenager into god, twice.

>>95753689
In Planescape? His race would be native to Mechanus, but eventually they would get tagged as evil by the multiverse, after having led way too many people to miserable ends. If literally everyone else thinks they're evil as shit, they probably are.

>>95753551 (OP)
I vape him

>>95754160
Now that's some shit.

>>95753793
I got the feeling that he or rather they are kind of like... low-ranking devils actually. They're somewhat unimaginative and not particularly perceptive, the only reason they have significant success is the information asymmetry, and of course it helps that the people they're trying to manipulate are stupid little girls.

>>95753689
Maybe by his own account, but Incubators willfully and knowingly lead people into contracts that end in fates worse than death. They'd be treated as evil by basically anyone who encounters them.

>>95753830
>magic can be harnessed with emotion
>find particularly emotional group of people
>torture them psychologically for lots of yummy emotions
simple as

>>95753830

I always felt that the idea was not just the emotional fragility but the degree of obsession found in teenagers.

Granted, nowdays you could argue incels should be the ones KB should be targeting, but they are slightly less cute in frilly dresses.

>>95753689
Alignment doesn't care if your ends justify the means, thus Kyubey would be considered evil despite incubators being integral to the universe's survival.

>>95755758
To be fair, the amount of teenagers avaliable in the world surpasses the amount of incels by several orders of magnitude. Way easier to work with.

>>95755758
>nowdays
Or just target parents.
Or create animosity/war between countries

>but they are slightly less cute in frilly dresses.
Yeah that's really the only thing, the excuse is retarded bullshit to justify the cute protagonists. Just leaving it without justification is better than pretty much telling the watchers "you're supposed to turn off your brain now".

>>95756548

Note that KB doesn't want to stir chaos, he wants to get your hopes up and then crush them.

>>95756548
>Or just target parents.
Parents are vastly more well-adjusted then your average teenager and will question things way more then the teenagers do. Not to mention people listen to adults and ignore teenagers, so if they go around warning about someone offering faustian bargains there will be way less people willing to listen.
>Or create animosity/war between countries
Literally doesn't do what they want, unless you're proposing they hand magic to countries so they kill each other with them (and probably destroy the world and ruin the entire experiement in the process).
It is left extremely clear to you that they're lying fucks and that the only thing that actually matters is the girls breaking down and turning into Witches, as THAT is what generates the most energy by a massive margin. What they want is to foment hope and then kick you in the shins. A war doesn't accomplish that. Adults will question what's up and give each other information on what's going on, and they can likely process grief by that point so one magic-using adult Witching or dying doesn't mean the entire group spirals to hell, in fact, it means it goes to arms against the Incubator. They needed guillible people to get their heads in the clouds so they could push them down a flight of stairs, so they went and found a vulnerable, emotional group that people don't tend to take seriously or listen to, and attacked that group; what's there to disbelieve?

>>95756548
Kyubey and the Incubators do jot want to cause widespread hysteria - they want to foster immense amounts of hope then turn that hope into despair to get the highest degree of emotional energy, since that's what they're after. Adults would directly harm their energy quota because they're not as easy to manipulate and would ask too many questions. Likewise, they apparently don't bother making contracts with boys because the amount of emotional energy is negligible compared to magical girls Witching out.

>>95753551 (OP)
I guess that counts

>>95757573
Now that the thought has crossed my mind, is there a celestial version of a Cambion or would that just fall under Aasimar? Even Cambions and Tieflings can both be the result of a fiend fucking a Human which just makes their difference all the dumber although I suppose you can excuse a Cambion of being like an Ulthilid I guess.

>>95756634
>Parents are vastly more well-adjusted
just do satanic panic tier shit
or threaten with teaching kids sex ed or gender identity stuff in schools
or that x popular thing causes diseases/homosexuality/satanism

>>95756634
That's why a guy let his daughter die from measels and shrugged it off like it was nothing.

Or the adult children of a man who allowed some quack doctor to pump bleach into his veins.

Or anyone trying to take horse dewormer to cure a virus.

>>95757716
Children do dumber shit much more commonly. Do adults do dumb shit? Yes, but they are much, much less prone to it then kids, and when an adult does dumb shit people notice and care; when a kid fucks up their own life people ignore them and don't listen to them.
>>95757707
None of these things have anything to do with the actual point of Magical Girls, which is to give people hope and then break them down. Kyubey isn't some demon lord wanting people to go crazy for reasons.

>>95757558
Honestly I would also think boys have different, less clingy friend groups that aren't as conductive to the death spirals of despair.

>>95753789
Teenage girls are not picked because ONLY they can do the job, but because they are in the sweet spot of both producing big emotions to harvest AND being too dumb to overthink their wish in advance.

If he went any younger, they wouldn't be able to fight witches. If he went older, he would have much more difficulty bargaining with them and they would ask more inconvenient questions about what the contract entails. Plus, like any farmer, he wants fast turnover so waiting additional years doesn't benefit him. Also, remember, he WANTS them to get overwhelmed and fall into despair eventually, so emotional immaturity and teen angst is a plus for him.

And boys of any age would be disruptive to his system, because they are exponentially more likely to make *destructive* wishes, which fucks with his whole plan because having your hope powered hero laying waste to cities like he is knocking over sandcastles is bad for business. You try to keep you cows from kicking over lanterns and burning down the farm, as it were.

QB could make a contract with anyone. He picks teenage girls because thats what does the job with consistency.

Madoka is a shit show for retarded pseudo-intellectuals pretending to be deep.

>>95758574
It's really not. Its just a well written show that makes contrarians seethe for decades because they can't handle [popular thing].

>Entropy
A Gay Concept. Join me, Xerxaz the Knowledge-devouer, in eliminating entropy so I can have a constant source of food for my unlimited unlife

>>95758652
Madoka is one of these shows where it feels like 90% of people who bitch about it has watched an entirely different show. people talk about it like it's just the girls being put in saw traps for two hours uninterrupted and then at the end they all turn to camera and say "SAILOR MOON SUCKS" in perfect unison

>>95758814
> wants to eliminate entropy
> still expects to need to eat after

You don't understand entropy, then.

>>95759125
He still insists on eating because he's a petty tyrant, is my guess.

>>95758831
>>95758652
You see it in this very thread, amusingly enough.

>>95758574
Madoka is good but not because it's deep (it's obviously not) but because it has cool visuals and characters.
"Powered by teen girls' emotions" is dumb but hey, so is the whole thing about Evangelion with 14 yo kids with dead moms piloting mechas, and that show was also fun.

>>95758574
Homura is heterosexual and I am willing to throw hands to defend her honor from sodomites irl if I have to.

Claim your Madoka waifu
I'll start: Sayaka

>>95759125
I know that I wouldn't have to eat, you blubbering fool!
I merely desire to do so forever.

>>95758814
Bro... You ARE the entropy!

>>95758652
Okay, but without a hint of irony, it is the dumbest shit.

>>95766885
Found the normie

>>95766490
she went to catholic school, of course she's gay.

>>95766490
Give it up, simp. She's more dykey than the Netherlands.

>>95766490
I think that Homura is heterosexual, but the sheer amount she has had to sacrifice for Madoka's life and the length of time she has spent with everything in her life revolving around saving Madoka has given rise to a level of emotional investment and obsession with Madoka that is functionally indistinguishable from toxic, controlling love. With every new time loop, the sunk cost in saving Madoka grows larger and Homura has to keep putting madoka above everything else, even her own wellbeing, to keep going.

>>95764484
I'd argue that it's an decent magical girl show that ironically has less maturity in its writing than the average Precure season, but is still enjoyable enough on its own. The only thing that's obnoxious is the fans who treat it as though it somehow upended the entire genre by merely existing, when any actual study shows that it just knew how to reuse the tropes and cliches of its contemporaries and repackage them.

>>95753551 (OP)
Meduka is an overrated, unoriginal anime with an ugly artstyle and mediocre animation that relies on being baby's first edge and yuribaiting for its undeserved acclaim.

>>95764484
It does have good visuals and characters, but I think its worth giving credit to the writing as well. Its a very well executed tragedy, in that while the situation and the stakes are fantastical the actions of the characters are still relatable and choice-driven.

At no point in the story are any of the girls screwed over by bad luck, or random chance. EVERY bad thing that happens to them is a direct result of the choices that they have made, and the consequences of those choices. Madoka leaps without looking in order to help others in every timeline, and dies as a result. Sayaka gives away too much of herself to a boy that gives nothing back. Mami counts her chickens before they hatch and lets her guard down at the promise of someone who can fight by her side and watch her back before its a reality. Every single magical girl, almost by definition, agreed to a binding magical contract without understanding the terms or in many cases even bothering to ask because the glamor of the wish as a reward blinded them to the fact that they didn't know much about the rest of the deal.

This makes the choices of the characters and what happens to them have real weight, because none of it is arbitrary. You could make these sorts of mistakes yourself. In real life, you won't ever fuck up so bad that you go insane and turn into an orchestral mermaid demon, but in all other ways you could make one bad mistake tomorrow and in all other ways be a Sayaka.

>>95754160
>seeing my wife Kguy again
It's not fair, bros...

>>95768005
Nah, you're giving it too much credit because you like the cutesy girls. That's fair, it's still just silly writing.

>>95766490
trvth nuke

>>95757558
If they started harnessing horny energy, the energy they'd get from teenage boys would be enough to start reversing energy.

>>95764484
To be fair, they do kind of explain the whole mother thing in Eva. The Eva is controlled via signals from the A10 nerve cluster, the part of the brain responsible for the love between parents and children.

>>95768626
>Boys
It's teenage girls writing horny yaoi fanfics and Mary sues hooking up with that girl's favourite male character.

>>95770466
Yeah and that's just as dumb as the Madoka explanation, so it's a valid comparison.

>>95753705
Alignments as major in-setting factions to which all smaller, more relevant factions intuitively bend the knee is a great idea for kitchen sink fantasy. All those weird monsters and magical bullshit totems of whatever now have a frame from which to base their reactions, so writers and DMs alike get to incorporate whatever they please without having to make stuff up on the spot every time an interaction they didn't see coming appears.

TL;DR I don't see you bitching about stats or class levels

>>95768157
>silly writing
NTA, that's how fantasy works. Who would pay for a perfect emulation of reality anyway, when you can get that by looking out a window?

Have they ever done any Madoka spin-offs with trans characters? It'd be kind of interesting to see whether or not HRT can alter the brain structure of a male enough to produce the right emotional characteristics the Inkyubeyters need.

Why is /tg/ so mad at Madoka?

I mean, it's not exactly new or the worst animu ever.

I was waiting for evil flumphs, but instead it's Kyubey hour. How about a non D&D "too much good is a bad thing" ?

Name: Daemon (DAY-mon)
Threat Level: Regional
Alignment: French
Tags: Good, Outsider, Virus

Goal: To bring peace by recruiting all software into the Daemon Model, to improve software by Overclocking

Software Features:
- THE DAEMON MODEL : When Daemon is in a system, Daemon can use two sequential actions to coerce any native software to link to her libraries, joining the Daemon Model. Software joined to the Daemon Model gain these features:
-- Add the current Overclock bonus to all rolls (see below)
-- Will not act hostile to any software linked to the Daemon Model; reactions to other members of the Daemon Model will always be friendly, never hostile.
-- Software will not willingly unlink from the Daemon Model; they must be shut down before applying antivirus (even if using glitchtech).
-- Daemon is always linked to the Daemon Model, and cannot unlink

- OVERCLOCK: Software linked to the Daemon Model (this includes Daemon) gain a persistent +1 to all rolls. Daemon can use two sequential actions to increase this by +1 permanently. If all software in the system is linked to The Daemon Model, Daemon will use Overclock at every opportunity. If Overclock reaches +5, all software linked to The Daemon Model detonates, deleting (not deallocating) immediately.

>>95770822
It's just belligerent retards trying to be contrarian

>>95770544
Exactly, that's why I said it's a good anime.

>>95766490
Homura is Madokasexual. She would not see a hot woman walking on the street and think "damn" but she wouldn't think that of a hot guy, either. If Madoka was a guy she'd still be into Madoka at the exclusion of everyone else and would feed every other friend she has into a woodchipper for a 0.01% increase in Madoka's happiness.

>>95767797
>>95770972
She's just a gay incel obsessed with the first girl who was nice to her. It's that simple.

>>95770873
I see you are a man of culture.

>>95770972
This. Homura only has eyes for Madoka, regardless of gender.

>>95753726
I use hero, villain, anti-hero, anti-villain, or amoral, DnD alignments have always been too complicated

>>95767838
Madoka is not a Mahou Shoujo. Is an insincere deconstruction written by an autogynephile who never liked the genre and never has written a good story in his life. On top of that is a pretentious piece of shit with a fandom filled with pedophiles and yuritards who flooded the genre with their clones and poisoned the well for more than a decade.

>>95753705
Whatever post this is, best post.

>>95768050
Kguy had a hard life

>>95772787
She deserved it, but not as hard as Duck deserved to get fucked over. Holy fuck I can't believe he got away with it.

>>95757716
The intelligence of them doesn’t matter. It’s that the adults have lost their capacity for Hope

>>95753705
This is indeed the best post here

>>95770518
Except that gygaxian alignments fuck more things up than they help with, and you can perfectly have factions set at enemies or allies of each other without that stupid shit.

>>95770822
I'm more mad about people treating it as something novel or revolutionary and not Urobuchi's tribute to the MG anime of his boyhood.

>>95770822
/tg/ has a lot of really angry fucks who hate pretty much any media and Madoka in specific triggers the hell out of them.

>>95754160
Thunderbolt Fantasy did a Madoka crossover? Hell yeah.

>>95770822
Contrarian hatred of subversion in media, and Madoka Magica is built off of subversion and deconstruction of the magical girl category of anime.

I liked the one where Heaven was arming magical girls like America armed the Mujahedeen.

>>95770822
It's popular and a lot of people's favorite anime

>>95786486
>Contrarian who hates subversion
Oxymoron. Retards who think they're intelligent because they make insincere stories (all subversion is insincere) are the only contrarians here. Madoka is trash and always was.

>>95786486
>Madoka is subversion
Did they miss the entire point of the ending?

>>95758480
He could literally target fucking drug addicts and still win in the end, you fucking retard. They will fight for the drugs and give into despair when he cuts them off.

>>95786492
You might like Rage of Bahamut. A major plotpoint in that is that humanity is being used as proxies in the war between angels and demons because they are ageless and immortal and we are disposable. Sure, the angels will grant their human champions *holy magic* to fight demons with, but the angels themselves never take the field because that would mean putting their money where their mouth is, when they can instead just throw more human holy warrior into the meat grinder endlessly against the forces of hell and keep hell too tied up fighting humanity to attack the heavens.

>>95788804
Wouldn't work, anon. Accepting the contract would cure them of their drug addiction as a side effect, meaning that you lose any ability to control them using it or the threat of withdrawal.

>>95789538
Grant them the 'Greatest High' and leave them chasing that dragon for the rest of their lives. It could work.

>>95770822
If you're an adult male who's favorite anime is about magical little girls you deserve to get shit on. I don't care how "deep" or "subversive" it is, sorry not sorry.

>>95790041
Cool inflamatory non-opinion. When you're older, you'll learn you can't just shit a bunch of caustic garbage out there and expect anyone to think you mean it. You have to dress it up a little if you want people to take you seriously.

>>95786517
You don't actually like traditional and straightforward storytelling because it's traditional and straightforward. You like it because it's not popular like subversive storytelling is. It's all a show to demonstrate how hip you are and how unique your tastes are. Standard contrarianism is too passée for you, you need to be a contrarian among contrarians.

>>95755255
Incubator is true neutral at worst and lawful good at worst if you think about it logically.
>Incubators willfully and knowingly lead people into contracts that end in fates worse than death.
First off that's not true.
>They'd be treated as evil by basically anyone who encounters them.
They get treated as evil by emotional little girls who don't appreciate the service they provide. First off even in the modern world magical girls are mortal, secondly prior to 20th century becoming one would've been objectively a positive thing when it comes to your life expectancy as you become immune to diseases. How old is Homura again? Probably in his 100s

>>95790164
>>Incubators willfully and knowingly lead people into contracts that end in fates worse than death.
>First off that's not true.

Of course it is. QB admits that he doesn't tell girls the details of the contract up front unless they ask because he knows that the truth distresses them and makes them not want to take the deal. His goal is never to tell the contracted girls that they have become walking meat zombies, he intends for them to live out their usefulness and dies in ignorance without ever learning what they have given up.
This is not merely a difference in values or morality. None of this is accidental on QBs part, he is *fully aware* that the majority of people would consider this to be a deal breaker, and withholds that information from them on purpose to get what he wants.
He also objectively lies to and leads on the girls. Most of the time he couches it in enough double talk and technicality that he has wiggle room to deny it, but its at its most blatant when Kyoko asks QB if Sayaka can still be saved:

> QB to Kyoko: I've never heard of it being done before, but magical girls are all about hope so I'm sure if anyone can do it you can!

And then, afterwards, to Homura

> QB to Homura: Yeah, there was no way that was going to work. But now that Kyoko is dead you have no choice but to let Madoka make a contract with me if you want to beat Walpurgis! You can't beat her alone! :3

QB unambiguously mislead Kyoko with a false promise of hope regarding something that he knew was unambiguously impossible in order to engineer her death specifically to push events in a direction of his choosing to accomplish his actual goal: Madoka making a contract.

Even if you believe his end goal justifies his means, his means are without a doubt manipulative deception.
Unless your argument is to contest the 'fates worse than death' part, which I don't think has much leg to stand on consider how Homura describes what its like to be a witch in Rebellion.

>>95790255
>Of course it is. QB admits that he doesn't tell girls the details of the contract up front.
But he does, multiple times. He warns that they'd be risking their lives.
>His goal is never to tell the contracted girls that they have become walking meat zombies, he intends for them to live out their learning what they have given up.
Given what up? First off they're not zombies, they get mechanical bodies which are a strict upgrade over being human.
>This is not alues or morality. None of this is accidental on QBs part.
It's only considered a bad deal out of morality, not cost benefit calculus.
>He also objectively lies to and leads on the girls. Most of the time he couches it in enough double talk and technicality that he has wiggle room to deny it, but its at its most blatant when Kyoko asks QB if Sayaka can still be saved:
Kyoko talked herself into it though
> QB to Kyoko: I've never heard of it being done before, but magical girls are all about hope so I'm sure if anyone can do it you can!
>And then, afterwards, to Homura
> QB to Homura: Yeah, there was no way that was going to work. But now that Kyoko is dead you have no choice but to let Madoka make a contract with me if you want to beat Walpurgis! You can't beat her alone! :3
That's all fine.
>QB unambiguously mislead Kyoko with a false promise of hope regarding something that he knew was unambiguously impossible in order to engineer her death specifically to push events in a direction of his choosing to accomplish his actual goal: Madoka making a contract.
Anon, Kyoko talked herself into it. Come on, he wasn't going to talk her out of it but he didn't lie. Madoka proves this right later on
>Even if you believe his end goal justifies
>Unless your argument is to contest the 'fates worse than death' part,
I'd rather be a magical girl than die of cholera. Ultimately QB offers you a wish, something money or time can't buy. Counterpoint is Mami, if your wish is shit and not worth it that's on you

>>95790298
>He warns that they'd be risking their lives.
"Risking your life" necessitates that there is an option where you don't die. Once they have accepted the contract, magical girls either turn into witches or die before that happens, there is no option C.
Also, telling them they would be risking their lives is still leaving out the vast majority of the objectionable parts of the contract. If I tell you that the loan I am giving you comes with interest, but not that until such time as you pay it off I rape you and your family twice a day, the fact that i told you about the interest doesn't negate the fact that I withheld crucial information from you.

>Given what up? First off they're not zombies, they get mechanical bodies which are a strict upgrade over being human.
Artifical, but not mechanical. The show itself is the one that uses the term zombie to describe what they become, so you have no leg to stand on.

>It's only considered a bad deal out of morality, not cost benefit calculus
Not QB's place to make that call.

And so on. Your entire argument is based on willful misinterpretation.

>>95790298
>First off they're not zombies, they get mechanical bodies which are a strict upgrade over being human.
Bodies which will nigh-instantly explode into an eldritch abomination if they ever succumb to too much despair and which are ultimately doomed regardless - there's no way they'll be able to get enough grief seeds to offset their soul gems getting stained with despair in the long-term, and a stressful enough situation or moment of sheer hopelessness basically instantly fills their gems. The girls are fucked the instant a contract is made so it doesn't matter if their bodies are 'better'.

>It's only considered a bad deal out of morality, not cost benefit calculus.
What benefits does being a magical girl actually offer? Immortality at the cost of inevitably exploding into a monstrosity that will curse and kill all you love is a shit deal.

>Kyoko talked herself into it though
After being misled into thinking it was possible by Kyubey.

>I'd rather be a magical girl than die of cholera.
Dying of cholera doesn't damn your soul to a waking hell that will inevitably destroy the lives of all around you.

>>95790439
Don't forget that not only do you curse everyone around you to death and despair, its hellish misery for you as well. According to Rebellion, being a witch means being trapped in all of your darkest moments and memories forever, such that you can't remember what being happy was like but the thought that other people DO get to have that joy fills you with anguish and envy and makes you want to punish them for being happy when you are so miserable.
And then, eventually, some magical girl beats you and your grief seed gets collected and plugged into a magic battery. You don't die, you are left to stew in your own misery and generate power for the Incubators forever, unless you are 'lucky' enough that the Incubators need another witch in the field for the Magical Girls to fight and they temporarily release you back into the wild to cause chaos again for a bit. Its very strongly implied that QB has specific witches that he will bring out to put hits on magical girls that he feels need to be taken care of the grease the wheels of his plan, Walpurgis being one of the heavy hitting ones.

I do not trust any so called “straight” man who doesn’t drain his dick at least once a month to Mami Tomoe, the Goddess of Sex. A more sensual and erotic character has never been drawn before or since.

>>95790118
>You don't actually like traditional and straightforward storytelling
Projection. Just because YOU can't stand traditional storytelling since you had your brain pozzed and fried by pseud trash like Madoka doesn't mean other people can't. I enjoy an episode of Sailor Moon every day just fine.

>>95790439
> The girls are fucked the instant a contract is made so it doesn't matter if their bodies are 'better'.
I can't quite everything due to >2k+ but it obviously matters. You have a extremely contemporary who sees things as they are now, not how they've been. Magical girls lifted up humanity from the stone age hence majority of them were alive when those advantages did outweigh the negatives when it comes to life expectancy. A nihilistic or especially unlucky magical girl still benefits from having her body altered despite the advantages of modern medicine.
>What benefits does being a magical girl actually offer? Immortality
To us immortality, to their predecessors invulnerability to diseases before antibiotics, the ability to heal loved ones
>After being misled into thinking it was possible by Kyubey.
She talked herself into it and Kyubey wasn't bullshitting, it probably was possible but she fucked it up
>Dying of cholera doesn't damn your soul to a waking hell that will inevitably destroy the lives of all around you.
Neither does being magical girl

>>95790431
>"Risking your life" necessitates that there is an option where you don't die.
My man being born means that you'll die, memento Mori and all that bullshit. At least QB offers you can escape, you can delay the inevitable if you so choose.

>there's no way they'll be able to get enough grief seeds to offset their soul gems getting stained with despair in the long-term
What matters is outliving your peers which is harder to do today but was walk in the park for 99% of mahos.

You can live to your late 80s but most mahos couldn't. Mami certainly wouldn't have stood a chance

>>95790621
> She talked herself into it and Kyubey wasn't bullshitting, it probably was possible but she fucked it up

>>95789521
This is usually how I imagine and divine beings would manage their business. Why get your hands dirty when there is a rapidly spawning group of fantatics and all you have to do is tickle their bits and tell them they are good boys/girls and they'll throw their short lives at whatever you tell them to.

>>95790788
Problem for them is, by the second season, mankind has finally invaded, conquered, and occupied hell. Toppled or scattered its leaders and enslaved the demons. Hell is now a vassal state of humanity. And, with the existential threat of demons removed, the question arises: what good have the angels really done for us lately?

>>95790431
>"Risking your life" necessitates that there is an option where you don't die. Once they have accepted the contract, magical girls either turn into witches or die before that happens, there is no option C.
It's the exact opposite. As a human, you have no choice but to die eventually from the old age. As a magical girl, you get a body that doesn't age, is immune to all disease, and is about as tretened by a penetrating wound through the brain as by a common cold. Completely free of charge, I might add.
Magical girls dying young unironically is just a skill issue. Pernelle was more than a thousand years old at the start of the Tart, and some of MR material suggests she's still alive in the modern times.

>>95792778
>As a magical girl, you get a body that doesn't age, is immune to all disease, and is about as tretened by a penetrating wound through the brain as by a common cold. Completely free of charge, I might add.

And if that was a good thing, QB would lead with that. He wouldn't be hiding that information from the girls. He does so because he knows they don't want it and would refuse the contract if they knew.
If doesn't matter how cool YOU think it would be, what matters that he is intentionally engaging with dishonest intent when making the contract.

>>95792811
>And if that was a good thing
>being practically immortal is a bad thing
?

>>95790298
>First off they're not zombies, they get mechanical bodies which are a strict upgrade over being human.
can't wait for you retards to put your brains in some metal shell and pretend it would feel exactly the same as having your own body, just with super powers.

>>95793927
If I am making you immortal specifically so that death cannot be a release from the torture I am going to inflict upon you for the rest of time, I don't think the immortality is a boon.

>>95790008
That doesn't produce hope, retard. Drug addicts are the most apathetic people in the world.

>>95766490
>Homura is heterosexual and I am willing to throw hands to defend her honor from sodomites irl if I have to.

>>95793927
It's immortality at the cost of inevitably and invariably turning into an insane monster for all eternity trapped in your darkest and most awful moments who will go on to torture, curse, kill and consume the souls of all those you once loved. It is objectively shit compared to actual immortality that doesn't have that shit.

>>95796354
>invariably turning into an insane monster for all eternity
Also a skill issue. Homura reverses full witchification through sheer willpower in Rebellion, and so does Kyouko in Magia Record. Touka and co found a way to microdose witchification to become effectively immune to it. Homo Magica know how to just straight up flip in and out of witch form at will.
And it's not like Kyubey can stop you from simply shattering the gem when you feel that the end is near.

>>95798783
Homura in Rebellion is an EXTREMELY edge case scenario, given that she is:
> a time traveller operating under magic rules not part of the existing timeline
> a witch that has been forcibly prevented from fully turning into a witch by being isolated inside of her own soul gem by Incubator's experiment
> being actively assisted by multiple agents of the Law of Cycles, including an aspect of Magical Girl God

The amount of unique bullshit stacking up to allow Homura to do what she did is so absurd that pretending thats a proof of concept for anyone else is a joke.

And everything in Magica Record is aggressively non-canon. Gacha games are never canon to anything, humoring them in any way just rapes whatever setting they are a spinoff for. Like FGO.

>>95798783
Everything in both Rebellion and Magia Record is the result of extremely specific circumstances inapplicable to 99% of cases. The latter especially, since it's post-Rebellion and post-Law of Cycles so the rules are entirely different.

>>95794992
This.

>>95759125
Why would eliminating entropy overrule your basic biological needs? Entropy is just a measurement of disorder of information and/or energy in a given system. In thermodynamics a higher entropy refers to energy being more evenly dispersed and less available to do work. In information theory it's uncertainty or the average sum of information produced by a datasource.

>>95758361
>>95758480
Kyubey gets screwed over whenever someone wishes to increase their own agency rather than have Kyubey solve their problem for them.
I imagine boys are more likely to wish for superpowers and stuff.

>>95799015
>Gacha games are never canon to anything, humoring them in any way just rapes whatever setting they are a spinoff for. Like FGO.

FGO was Nasu's Crisis on Infinite Earths. One of the villains damaged the timeline so that Fate and Tsukihime no longer take place in the same universe, and all new Type-Moon media use it as a baseline (the version of Zelretch who oversaw the first Holy Grail War is not a vampire and never stopped the moon from falling, etc.).

>>95753689
there is literally a pillar of skulls in Baator reserved for people that hurt someone through a lie by omission.

>>95766626
Sayacar a shit.
A SHIT!

now excuse me as I pray to the goddess of dakka

>>95790621
>>95790697
>She talked herself into it and Kyubey wasn't bullshitting, it probably was possible but she fucked it up

No, even the Incubators werent aware of it.
The assumed that the final form of the Meguca was a witch while Homura proved that you can transcend that if you accept the pain.

Sayaka is fated to witch out in every timeline unless she dies beforehand which is why just like Madoka she cannot even exist with the Law of Cycles in place.

>>95795010
ok looneytroon.

I also bet 10 bucks that you are also one of the people that uses the word "media literacy" unironically.

>>95753761
Redditors believe they can pull this off
But they're not a cute kitty alien so they cant

>>95753556
Thank you for providing playable content on tg. Rare sight indeed you player of games.

>>95817833
Redditors are midwits who think they are smarter than they actually are.
Of course they crash and burn when confronted with reality.

>>95817306
She is objectively lesbian or at the very least bi. Cope.

>>95753551 (OP)
Reminds me I had a retarded idea for a skirmish-level "magical girl gang warfare" miniature game, working title Puella Magi Necromunda Magica. Was gonna use the basic "engine" that GW's old skirmish games (old-school Necromunda and Mordheim notably) used as the core. I should get back to that.

>>95823402
You reading the magical girl narco manga?
https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/titles/100491

>>95810053
Your basic biological needs are the way they are because of entropy. You need to always be consuming more resources because you can't exist without expending and losing energy. If entropy is solved, this is no longer true.
In a universe without entropy, there would be no need to eat. If this doesn't make sense, its because a world without entropy also doesn't make sense by anything we would consider logical, all of our world experience comes from a context where entropy has infested every possible interaction in the world.

>>95823393
How is that whenever people like you write COPE! it always sounds like you are the one coping?

Anyway, you will never pass, looneytroon.

Consider the Incubators have been doing their job on Earth for THOUSANDS of years. They have absolutely perfected their process. They go after teenage girls into puberty for a reason. Kyubei tells Madoka exactly what it would take her to take the contract (you’ll save everyone, not only on Earth but everyone everywhere); it understands her psychology perfectly. It could probably also entice an adult, but it would probably take a lot more effort for much less return so they don’t bother.

Also I question the entropy story. If the Incubators, or their parent race, can create pocket realities that selectively filter fundamental universal laws then it seems to me that they’ve already solved “entropy” — maybe this is a big reason why they don’t talk to adults lol.

Finally, I wonder how fucked humanity is in reality? The Incubator’s parent race are certainly maintaining a strict blockade around the Solar system, for all we know humanity could have been uplifted into a galactic community if it wasn’t used as a despair factory — maybe there are those in the galaxy who really want to see what’s happening on Earth but can’t get near without getting skull-fucked by this elder race of asshats.

>>95823527
No but thanks for the rec, will give it a read!

>>95823925
Damn that's wild. Shame Homuhomu is still into girls.

>>95767949
seething contrarian

>>95824147
Humanity is probably fucked, anon. Remember that QB is completely aware that Madoka-witch would destroy the Earth and wipe out humanity. He just doesn't care because Madoka-Witch is enough magical energy to meet quota ahead of schedule and solve entropy.
So QB is perfectly willing to sacrifice humanity as long as it no longer needs us. Whatever promises it makes, that course of action reveals a lot about our relationship. It's not even willing to go out of its way to preserve us as a valuable resource since we are apparently the only source of magic they know, just chucks us in the wood chipper when we have fulfilled our immediate purpose.
If we are LUCKY, QB just leaves when it has what it wants because it has no reason to do anything more with us.

>>95824147
>The Incubator’s parent race
Frankly I've always assumed that the incubators we see are not even alive, that they are just drones. We think of them as a hive mind, but a hive of ants still has individual ants that care if they live or die. As much as an ant can, at any rate.
QB seems more like a single guy in an office on Alpha Beta Prime who has a remote connection to a thousand little cat drones on Earth. He carries on conversation seamlessly even when one of them dies, because the loss of any specific drone doesn't *matter* to him.
Also, the cat thinsg have a fucking *hatch* that opens up on their backs. You can't tell me that shit is natural.

>>95824147
>Also I question the entropy story. If the Incubators, or their parent race, can create pocket realities that selectively filter fundamental universal laws then it seems to me that they’ve already solved “entropy” — maybe this is a big reason why they don’t talk to adults lol.
It's likely there's something of extreme value to them I the greater universe they don't want ot lose and they have no means to shield the entirety of reality from entropy to preserve said thing. Which of course doesn't explain how fucking blaise Kyuubey is, given IIRC the show itself states that the Witch of Despair (Madokami's Witch) could potentially bring about the end of the galaxy/possibly even the universe itself and the damn thing is still going "we have met our quota!"

Incubators just genuinely could not care less about the lives of anything around them so long as they get theirs.

>>95823566
This. Entropy is unfortunately written into the very background of the universe itself. You can't remove it without essentially reformatting existence into something unrecognizable.

>>95753551 (OP)
I find Madoka Magica to be clearly inspired by Madge Hill